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    Concealed carry in Pennsylvania bars?

    I searched around but couldn't find any legal restrictions on concealed carry in Pennsylvania bars. Are there any laws that prohibit this? Also is there a legal limit to how much you can drink and still carry a weapon. As of now I don't carry to bars but I would feel better doing so when I'm the designated driver or just not planning on having much to drink. When I go to the bar with my buddies we usually walk through town to get there and often pass by some shady people on the way. In the past there have been numerous reports of people being assaulted or mugged here at night and there have been a few times when I wished I had my weapon on me just in case. It just seems that walking down the streets here at night would be the most useful time to have some protection but I can't find any information on the legality of it.

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    Guns and alcohol DO NOT MIX leave the gat at the house when going to the bar, it is better all around seriously you are asking for trouble mixing the two.
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    According to Wikipedia - which is not the bible of CCW laws:

    Even in localities where concealed carrying is permitted, there may be legal restrictions on where a person may carry a concealed weapon. Typical examples include the prohibition of concealed carry in:

    public or private elementary and secondary schools (the Federal Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 contains an exception for individuals carrying under a state-issued permit, but some states that issue permits forbid carry in schools),
    establishments that sell alcohol (some ban carry from all such establishments such as liquor stores and restaurants, others only from businesses defined as "bars" by state liquor laws),
    government buildings (State Capitol, courthouses, police stations, federal buildings),
    public accommodations (theaters, concert halls), and/or
    public events (polling places, state fairs, sporting events).
    Many states prohibit unlicensed carry, whether otherwise allowed or not, on the grounds of a business that sells alcohol. These restrictions vary widely, particularly in the United States. For example, in Texas, concealed carry is not permitted in any establishment which generates 51% or more of its revenue from the sale of alcohol for on-premises consumption.[17] In Florida, concealed carry is permitted in a restaurant that serves alcohol but not in the bar area. Virginia prohibits concealed-carry in businesses with a liquor license but open-carry is permitted.[25] Pennsylvania does not prohibit carry in any establishment, whether it be a family restaurant, bar, or club, but it does prohibit carry in Primary and Secondary Schools and their Property and Court Houses.[26] In many states, such as Arizona, a law-abiding permit holder may not carry in any establishment licensed to dispense alcohol for on-premises for consumption, such as a bar or a restaurant that serves alcohol. Further restrictions may be placed on what kind of guns may be carried and how many a person may carry at one time[citation needed].
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    When I began my LE career, I worked for an agency which made off-duty carry mandatory. There was one exception. In a bar. As has been so correctly noted, firearms and alcohol don't mix. That's true regardless of a given state's law on the subject. Put another way, it's far more of a judgement issue than a legal one. IMHO.

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    may be legal in your state, but carrying and drinking is asking for trouble. You can legally carry in a bar in my state but drinking is a no-no will get you arrested and your ccw pulled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egl_81 View Post
    I searched around but couldn't find any legal restrictions on concealed carry in Pennsylvania bars. Are there any laws that prohibit this?
    Nope not at all...
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    Here's the Virginia provision in Code Section §18.2-308 (addressing CW's) that specifically prohibits carrying in a "bar". Note there are no real "bars" in Virginia. Just restaurants that serve alcohol.

    "J3. No person shall carry a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia; however, nothing herein shall prohibit any sworn law-enforcement officer from carrying a concealed handgun on the premises of such restaurant or club or any owner or event sponsor or his employees from carrying a concealed handgun while on duty at such restaurant or club if such person has a concealed handgun permit."

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    Any place privately owned can ask you not to carry your firearm inside. Also you can not carry inside casino's inside the commonwealth, there are big signs posted as soon as you walk in ( state law).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PPDSWD View Post
    Any place privately owned can ask you not to carry your firearm inside. Also you can not carry inside casino's inside the commonwealth, there are big signs posted as soon as you walk in ( state law).
    This is true as well..but if you are properly concealed, no one would know. And "No Firearms" signs mean squat in PA (except as PPDSWD stated, @ the Casinos).
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    Thanks for the responses. Yes I know alcohol and firearms dont mix, when I have more than a few drinks I dont go anywhere near any of my guns. I just don't think it would be a bad idea to carry if Im going to the bar and not getting smashed, just in case i run into some thug thats up to no good while walking there. If I plan to drink a lot that night I would then rather take my chances instead of being drunk with a weapon. But if Im not drinking much or at all then whats the problem unless some other drunk at the bar tries to grab it off me. But thats why its concealed so no one knows its there, right? I'm actually thinking of getting an ankle holster for my HK subcompact just for this reason.
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    Here's a thought... Get smashed at home.
    As far as "rights" are concerned; I look at them this way... I don't tell you what church to go to, and you don't tell me what kind of firearm I can own...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egl_81 View Post
    Thanks for the responses. Yes I know alcohol and firearms dont mix, when I have more than a few drinks I dont go anywhere near any of my guns. I just don't think it would be a bad idea to carry if Im going to the bar and not getting smashed, just in case i run into some thug thats up to no good while walking there. If I plan to drink a lot that night I would then rather take my chances instead of being drunk with a weapon. But if Im not drinking much or at all then whats the problem unless some other drunk at the bar tries to grab it off me. But thats why its concealed so no one knows its there, right? I'm actually thinking of getting an ankle holster for my HK subcompact just for this reason.
    Here is a scenario for you...you go to the bar and have just a few drinks...not trashed, not drunk...just a few drinks. You have your weapon on you. You are walking to your car and somebody attempts to rob you by implying he has a weapon and you shoot the guy. On a normal day, you would be justified in this shooting. But once a grand jury and/or prosecutor learns you are leaving a bar after having a few drinks, you are opening yourself up to a big world of hurt...not to mention the civil lawsuit that follows because you shot an unarmed man while intoxicated. It will be easily proven that with a few drinks, your judgement was impaired.

    As others have said...going to the bar, leave the gun at home.

    Or, you are in the bar and not drinking at all. Some guy thinks you are checking his girlfriend out and him and his 5 buddies confront you (this happens all the time in the bars here). Now, even though you are not drinking, have introduced a gun into a situation involving 6 drunk guys set on giving you a beatdown. Very bad position for you to be in while armed..especially in a crowded bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egl_81 View Post
    Thanks for the responses. Yes I know alcohol and firearms dont mix, when I have more than a few drinks I dont go anywhere near any of my guns. I just don't think it would be a bad idea to carry if Im going to the bar and not getting smashed, just in case i run into some thug thats up to no good while walking there. If I plan to drink a lot that night I would then rather take my chances instead of being drunk with a weapon. But if Im not drinking much or at all then whats the problem unless some other drunk at the bar tries to grab it off me. But thats why its concealed so no one knows its there, right? I'm actually thinking of getting an ankle holster for my HK subcompact just for this reason.
    Ok. Seriously, you came in here asking for advice. People that have seen a lot more than you have, not in small part due to age and profession, have told you not to do it. Somehow you still think it's ok to carry if you only have "a few drinks". Look, you are 21 years old and have your whole future ahead of you. Carrying in a bar is an almost for sure way of cutting that future short. Not even half a beer, not even if you are the designated driver and stay dry. You cannot control what the other 100 drunk people in the place might do. Unfortunately the real world is not like the movies. You might have the right reasons, and your heart might be in the right place, but you still can get sent to jail and sued. That's not to mention the emotional repercussions of shooting someone in an iffy situation. Just not a good idea, don't do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor1430 View Post
    Here is a scenario for you...you go to the bar and have just a few drinks...not trashed, not drunk...just a few drinks. You have your weapon on you. You are walking to your car and somebody attempts to rob you by implying he has a weapon and you shoot the guy. On a normal day, you would be justified in this shooting. But once a grand jury and/or prosecutor learns you are leaving a bar after having a few drinks, you are opening yourself up to a big world of hurt...not to mention the civil lawsuit that follows because you shot an unarmed man while intoxicated. It will be easily proven that with a few drinks, your judgement was impaired.

    As others have said...going to the bar, leave the gun at home.

    Or, you are in the bar and not drinking at all. Some guy thinks you are checking his girlfriend out and him and his 5 buddies confront you (this happens all the time in the bars here). Now, even though you are not drinking, have introduced a gun into a situation involving 6 drunk guys set on giving you a beatdown. Very bad position for you to be in while armed..especially in a crowded bar.

    Thats defenitly a good point, if something like that were to happen I'd probably get eaten alive in court. And yellowreef, I think your absolutely right, and I really appreaciate all the advice I got here. Now I'm convinced, in the end its just not worth the risk of ruining my future. I've decided that I'll just leave the gun at home when at the bars or anywhere alcohol is involved, just make sure I keep my awareness up to avoid bad situations. Thanks again for the good advice, I will use it!

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    I just posted this pic in another thread. It's a shirt that was printed in reaction to a couple LEO's that seemed to forget the basic idea of guns and alcohol not mixing. I'll bet they didn't plan on drinking too much and being stupid when they went out that day. They now have new careers.

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    I carry EVERYWHERE i go. better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6.

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    If its concealed then how would anyone know?

    Why on earth go to bars in shady neighborhoods to begin with especially with numerous reports of assaults and muggings???
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    Quote Originally Posted by PPDSWD View Post
    Any place privately owned can ask you not to carry your firearm inside. Also you can not carry inside casino's inside the commonwealth, there are big signs posted as soon as you walk in ( state law).
    It is NOT a state law, it is a regulation for the casino. If found to be carrying, you will be asked to leave, secure the firearm in your vehicle and return if you so desire.
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    This is a copy of a post I made on another forum concerning the carrying of firearms, either by a LEO or non-LEO in a casino.

    There has been some discussion about the (legal) carrying of weapons in casinos in PA. As stated before, this weapons ban is a regulation of the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board (PGCB) and not a "law".

    When I went into work today there was a fax from the Comm Center put out by PSP in reference to the carrying of firearms in the casino, directed towards law enforcement officers, but you will see where it can be applied to non-LEO's.

    Briefly, the PGCB has a "no firearms on the gaming floor" policy except for on duty LEO's while acting in an official capacity, etc. There is a little more information involved with this, but it is not needed for this thread.

    According to the information received, off-duty LEO's shall have to comply with the private property Gaming Control Board (GCB) requirement that no weapons are allowed on the Gaming floor.

    * The PGCB and the casinos have a "No Firearms on the Casino Floor Policy".
    * This is a regulation by the PGCB and does not overrule state law that allows police officers to carry firearms.
    * However, this is private property and the weapons ban is in place.
    * Violations of the private property PGCB rule will be dealt with by asking the licensed individuals or police officers to leave the floor and store their weapon - then return to gaming.
    * Individuals refusing to comply with the wishes of the private property owner-casino will be asked to leave the premises.
    * Should the refuse, they are subject to arrest for Defiant Trespass.

    As you can see, this pretty much follows what can happen with carrying in malls, etc in the state. I posted this little FYI to be read and understood by those wishing to carry. I am not advocating carrying in the casino, that is personal choice you and only you can make. What I will or will not do is my business, and mine alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve in PA View Post
    This is a copy of a post I made on another forum concerning the carrying of firearms, either by a LEO or non-LEO in a casino.

    There has been some discussion about the (legal) carrying of weapons in casinos in PA. As stated before, this weapons ban is a regulation of the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board (PGCB) and not a "law".

    When I went into work today there was a fax from the Comm Center put out by PSP in reference to the carrying of firearms in the casino, directed towards law enforcement officers, but you will see where it can be applied to non-LEO's.

    Briefly, the PGCB has a "no firearms on the gaming floor" policy except for on duty LEO's while acting in an official capacity, etc. There is a little more information involved with this, but it is not needed for this thread.

    According to the information received, off-duty LEO's shall have to comply with the private property Gaming Control Board (GCB) requirement that no weapons are allowed on the Gaming floor.

    * The PGCB and the casinos have a "No Firearms on the Casino Floor Policy".
    * This is a regulation by the PGCB and does not overrule state law that allows police officers to carry firearms.
    * However, this is private property and the weapons ban is in place.
    * Violations of the private property PGCB rule will be dealt with by asking the licensed individuals or police officers to leave the floor and store their weapon - then return to gaming.
    * Individuals refusing to comply with the wishes of the private property owner-casino will be asked to leave the premises.
    * Should the refuse, they are subject to arrest for Defiant Trespass.

    As you can see, this pretty much follows what can happen with carrying in malls, etc in the state. I posted this little FYI to be read and understood by those wishing to carry. I am not advocating carrying in the casino, that is personal choice you and only you can make. What I will or will not do is my business, and mine alone.

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    Ahhh, good to know Steve! I must've missed that thread in the other forum . Not that I plan on going to a casino anytime soon, its still nice to know. I'd hate for the casino ninjas to come after me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee_1 View Post
    I carry EVERYWHERE i go. better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6.


    Your choice.

    You WILL be judged by 12.

    Get a good lawyer.

    Alcohol and guns don't mix. I also carry everywhere. EXCEPT when I have a drink.
    Politically Correct? No.

    Truthful? Yes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woofdog View Post
    Your choice.

    You WILL be judged by 12.

    Get a good lawyer.

    Alcohol and guns don't mix. I also carry everywhere. EXCEPT when I have a drink.
    +1
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