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    Hey guys and gals I was at work today and I had a couple of guys driving around the hospital in a wrecker low and behold they were repo men. So I followed them around the hospital parking lots until I could flag them down to stop. I get the guys to stop and I ask what is your business ? Driver replies I 'm looking for a car and if I see it I'm going to repo it then floors it out the parking lot we were standing in. I was working with my Sgt . who is a PO I'm certified but still wearing the security guard uniform . Any ways I make contact with them by the car they were their to repo. I tell them earlier before he pulls off its a civil matter and you need to leave . Well he gets the car off the lot by towing it the wrong way he has the car hooked up at the front dragging the tires and brakes squealing. Well he tows the car to Denny's right beside our hospital at this time my Sgt. joins me at the Denny's. We approach the truck my Sgt . goes to the drivers side I 'm at the passenger side watching hands well the driver tells my Sgt. that I cussed him out by saying I told him to get the F off of the property which I didn't say it in that way as stated above. So my Sgt tells me to come to the drivers side and ask me did I say that I said no . The driver starts saying yes you did if you didn't say that I would have never towed this car. I'm like yea ok . So I tell the driver in front of my Sgt " You are a liar I'm saying that to your face you are lying." My Sgt goes ahead and lets them have the car we run the driver for warrants he has a single class C ticket but several hits on his CHL for DWLI so they were cut loose. My question is is this a common practice for repo guys to lie to Police officers to make a justification of why they are towing a car ? I just didn't get it he could trash to me because I'm in the security suit he sees my Sgt you would of thought he was a changed man instantly . If any one has any good repo story's tell em . I can't wait till I'm sworn in I would have arrested him for Criminal trespass and enjoyed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rookie2006 View Post
    Hey guys and gals I was at work today and I had a couple of guys driving around the hospital in a wrecker low and behold they were repo men. So I followed them around the hospital parking lots until I could flag them down to stop. I get the guys to stop and I ask what is your business ? Driver replies I 'm looking for a car and if I see it I'm going to repo it then floors it out the parking lot we were standing in. I was working with my Sgt . who is a PO I'm certified but still wearing the security guard uniform . Any ways I make contact with them by the car they were their to repo. I tell them earlier before he pulls off its a civil matter and you need to leave . Well he gets the car off the lot by towing it the wrong way he has the car hooked up at the front dragging the tires and brakes squealing. Well he tows the car to Denny's right beside our hospital at this time my Sgt. joins me at the Denny's. We approach the truck my Sgt . goes to the drivers side I 'm at the passenger side watching hands well the driver tells my Sgt. that I cussed him out by saying I told him to get the F off of the property which I didn't say it in that way as stated above. So my Sgt tells me to come to the drivers side and ask me did I say that I said no . The driver starts saying yes you did if you didn't say that I would have never towed this car. I'm like yea ok . So I tell the driver in front of my Sgt " You are a liar I'm saying that to your face you are lying." My Sgt goes ahead and lets them have the car we run the driver for warrants he has a single class C ticket but several hits on his CHL for DWLI so they were cut loose. My question is is this a common practice for repo guys to lie to Police officers to make a justification of why they are towing a car ? I just didn't get it he could trash to me because I'm in the security suit he sees my Sgt you would of thought he was a changed man instantly . If any one has any good repo story's tell em . I can't wait till I'm sworn in I would have arrested him for Criminal trespass and enjoyed it.
    Well, we live and learn. Repo Guys probably aren't all that high up on the social register, but they have a job to do. I never really had any real problems with them. In Alabama, they can pretty well go where they want in order to hook up a vehicle. Some exceptions. As you correctly noted, Repo's are Civil Matters. Period. Many cities/counties have ordinances requiring Repo firms to report the Repo to the P.D./Sheriff. Some do this on a voluntary basis. Usually not a problem.

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    I think your job as a security guard is to OBSERVE AND REPORT. Not follow the repo crew to the Dennys. If you worked for me, you'd be gone.

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    I have no problem with most repo men, and I don't have a problem with them towing from a parking lot. The deadbeat should have paid his bills.
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    You're able to run the driver for warrants but you're a security guard???? I'm confused.
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    you followed the repo guy to the denny's parking lot? and if sworn you would have arrested him for trespassing? why? what does repossession being civil matter have to do with anything? i used to repo as a part time job and i probably would have laughed at you and hooked the car up too. the repo man was there to do his job, take posession of the vehicle for the bank because somebody didnt make their car payment.
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    You can't arrest anyone in a hospital parking lot unless you previously warned them to leave, and have the authority to do so.
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    How is it trespassing? You told him to leave and he left. No DA will file charges because he didn't leave the instant you said so. The fact that he left within a reasonable time frame and had a lawful purpose in being there will negate your claim of trespassing.

    And +1 to what has been posted above. If you are a security guard, stick to your own work site.
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    This being the "Ask a Cop" forum, what is your question?

    Reposession agents have every right to be on the property to recover the vehicle. Amost all auto loan contracts include stipulations that give the lender, or any of their agents, permission from the debtor to come on any property which the vehicle is located in order to recover it should a default situation occur.

    Next time, help him locate the vehicle and be nice.
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    +1 to everything said so far.

    And as far as stating that the repo man is a liar "to his face" I have a little tidbit of info for you. In law enforcement we get lied to 98.6% of the time.

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    Come on guys, READ what was written. I know it's not the clearest paragraph ever written but I understood most of it. He stated: "was working with my Sgt . who is a PO". PO meaning "Peace Officer." He apparently works security for a hospital district or private hospital which also employs Police Officers. At least that is what I got out of it.


    Quote Originally Posted by equinox137 View Post
    You're able to run the driver for warrants but you're a security guard???? I'm confused.
    See the above. ^

    I think your job as a security guard is to OBSERVE AND REPORT. Not follow the repo crew to the Dennys. If you worked for me, you'd be gone.
    He DID report it, to a Police Sgt. whom accompanied him to make contact with the repo men. Jeez, lighten up.

    As far as the repo men leaving when being told, if a representative of a property tells you to leave, YOU LEAVE!!!!! I don't have a problem with repo men, but they can't just roll around a property when they have no business with that establishment. Once they were told to leave and failed to comply, the Sgt. had every right to contact them, on the property or otherwise as long as they are inside the state of Texas. He could have issued them a criminal trespass warning banning them from the property, even after they have left.

    Reposession agents have every right to be on the property to recover the vehicle. Amost all auto loan contracts include stipulations that give the lender, or any of their agents, permission from the debtor to come on any property which the vehicle is located in order to recover it should a default situation occur.
    Negative. Maybe where you live, not here. It does NOT matter what someone wrote in a contract signed outside the property owner's(hospital district's) presence and without the property owner's knowledge. Just because someone signed a contract letting a debtor repossess a car "anywhere" does not give the repo man the right to enter another's property to conduct the repossession, except for the property of the person who agreed to the terms(the leaser). If the hospital district did not want these people on their property then they have to wait off the property until the vehicle leaves. The vehicle lease is a 100% civil matter and the civil matter does not override applicable state laws, such as criminal trespass.

    I agree that the leaser should have paid the bill, but if I was a business owner I wouldn't want a repo going down on my property and would ban the repo men from my property. Repos can get ugly quick. I wouldn't want someone else's civil matter spilling into my lap and turning into a criminal matter on my property.

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    I know it sounds weird to a lot of officers but we can run people for warrants. I'm employed as a public service officer for a hospital that has its own Police department. We receive NCIC/TCIC training upon being hired as well as DT. I have graduated the police academy and passed my state test I'm just waiting to get through the hiring process to be sworn in. Thanks to SOI for reading the post and backing me up. I asked the repo men to leave and told them it is a civil matter. Under Texas law as long as you are given a warning verbal or other wise to leave the property you leave. He left then came back shortly after. He drove off campus around the block then grabbed the car. (that's trespasing) True the person should have paid their bills but some people have money issues. Now if I worked for Jo blow security as I have before I would have never went to the Denny’s parking lot once he would have hooked the car up and got a way that would have been the end of it. Now if the repo man would have had a court order saying he could get the car by all means I would have said nothing but they didn’t. As far as my question that was being asked it was simply has the above scenario ever happened to you? The repo man tried to make a justification of him doing his job by lying to my Sgt. By saying he only took the car because I cussed him out. I didn’t cuss him out I asked him to leave. I could see he didn’t take me seriously because I’m a security guard. I can also read in some of the post that were written here were basically saying who do you think you are your just a security guard mind your business. When I’m sworn in I can honestly say that I know how it feels to play on both sides of the fence and I won’t look down on a security guard unless they simply do something illegal. It’s just crazy how people will disrespect security officer/ guard that do their job everyday and wear a badge no matter what we are all targets. This does not apply to every one who posted so if you’re offended take it how you want. I know better if a Po was not present and me knowing that until I’m sworn in I’m just a regular security guard I would have just observed and reported as usual.

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    I know that who ever had the car repossessed should have paid their bill; however, most of these repo people are scumbags. I have dealt with as many of them on domestic disputes in their trailers as I have dealt with them from people calling and trying to claim their car is being stolen. If you told him to leave and he came back, he should have been cited for trespassing, BOTTOM LINE.
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    I don't have much tolerance for repo guys and I ALWAYS run them when I see them. I usually end up towing them for being a suspended driver or arresting them for bench warrants. I know they have a job to do, but so do I. I hate being called to repos jobs that have gone bad because they can't play nice with others. As long as their paperwork is in order and they are legal, I let them do their job.

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    This has been an interesting and lively post. I am a deputy sheriff assigned to civil process and one of the tasks I get from time to time is replevin orders. So, in essence, sometimes I am the "Repo Man". Here in Minnesota, if the judge signs a replevin order that has the magic words, "The Sheriff is authorized to use the full force of the county to break and enter a building to enforce this order..." I can. However, to the best of my knowledge, only a sheriff or deputy sheriff can enforce this order, not a private citizen "repo man". The other thing is not every attorney/legal secretary/paralegal will remember to use the correct form or template. Lets face it, many judges will sign just about what ever is put in front of them without reading it carefully. The reason I point this out is not every replevin order contains that powerful language. I will usually make a telephone call just prior to enforcing these just to make sure that nothing has changed between the time it was sent to me and the time I am about to enforce it. I have had orders that didn't have the magic language and I call the law office and give them two choices:

    1) I can try it "as is" and if they tell me to take a hike I leave.

    2) I can send it back and they can get a new order with the proper language.

    Also, needless to say, I am NOT booting in doors when I enforce one of these. It looks pretty cool on TV or in the movies, but you have to think this through. What if you boot a door and they gave you the wrong address or the vehicle isn't there? Or what if it is the right address and you get the vehicle, you still have to re-secure the property. We use a bonded locksmith at the attorneys expense in these cases.

    All due respect to the attorneys on this forum, most of the attorneys I deal with really don't think through what we need on the street. They don't ensure that the information is accurate and up to date. They don't include contact information. But I digress.

    It seems like everyone thinks that civil work is "just serving papers." Sometimes it is just serving papers, but often times it is much more than that. I was a city cop for over 10 years and I had very little idea what the sheriff's civil unit was all about. Having done civil for a number of years now here are some of the things that we do that are beyond "just serving papers" that people can get upset about:

    Taking children away from parents pursuant to court order. Some of the same folks that you have jailed for felony drug warrants just shrug when they go to jail for the umpteenth time, but you start taking their kids and it is a whole new ballgame.

    Kicking them out of their house on an eviction. Again, some people say it is "just serving papers." I have made more arrests and had more knock down drag outs on evictions than any other type of civil process. Some people, and not just the druggies, are in TOTAL denial. They may not have made their mortgage payment or paid their rent for a long time, but they don't do a single thing until the moment I get there and then they decide they aren't leaving their castle.

    Similarly with vehicles, folks may not keep current with their payments, but can get very hostile when the sheriff shows up with a locksmith, enters their garage, and tows away their ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rookie2006 View Post
    I know it sounds weird to a lot of officers but we can run people for warrants. I'm employed as a public service officer for a hospital that has its own Police department. We receive NCIC/TCIC training upon being hired as well as DT. I have graduated the police academy and passed my state test I'm just waiting to get through the hiring process to be sworn in. Thanks to SOI for reading the post and backing me up. I asked the repo men to leave and told them it is a civil matter. Under Texas law as long as you are given a warning verbal or other wise to leave the property you leave. He left then came back shortly after. He drove off campus around the block then grabbed the car. (that's trespasing) True the person should have paid their bills but some people have money issues. Now if I worked for Jo blow security as I have before I would have never went to the Denny’s parking lot once he would have hooked the car up and got a way that would have been the end of it. Now if the repo man would have had a court order saying he could get the car by all means I would have said nothing but they didn’t. As far as my question that was being asked it was simply has the above scenario ever happened to you? The repo man tried to make a justification of him doing his job by lying to my Sgt. By saying he only took the car because I cussed him out. I didn’t cuss him out I asked him to leave. I could see he didn’t take me seriously because I’m a security guard. I can also read in some of the post that were written here were basically saying who do you think you are your just a security guard mind your business. When I’m sworn in I can honestly say that I know how it feels to play on both sides of the fence and I won’t look down on a security guard unless they simply do something illegal. It’s just crazy how people will disrespect security officer/ guard that do their job everyday and wear a badge no matter what we are all targets. This does not apply to every one who posted so if you’re offended take it how you want. I know better if a Po was not present and me knowing that until I’m sworn in I’m just a regular security guard I would have just observed and reported as usual.
    1) You attended the police academy and went through a report writing course correct? This is how they taught you to construct paragraphs???

    2) You have the same target on you as a police officer??? Really?

    3) People need to pay their bills, period. If you don't, I am not going to get in the way of the bank getting their property back. What a liberal mindset to have. Just because people have fallen on hard times, the bank should get screwed??? How about people start taking responsibility for their actions and choices.

    Good luck on your career as a sworn officer, with that mindset, you’re going to need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinned View Post
    1) You attended the police academy and went through a report writing course correct? This is how they taught you to construct paragraphs???

    2) You have the same target on you as a police officer??? Really?

    3) People need to pay their bills, period. If you don't, I am not going to get in the way of the bank getting their property back. What a liberal mindset to have. Just because people have fallen on hard times, the bank should get screwed??? How about people start taking responsibility for their actions and choices.

    Good luck on your career as a sworn officer, with that mindset, you’re going to need it.
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    You are kidding right? As a security guard you have the same rights as a private citizen. If I was the Repo man I would have called the real cops on you.:

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    This is not a report. This is me just writing what I had to say. I work for a PD department if I turned in my reports the way I wrote on a forum I would be in big trouble. I don't know were you have worked or if you have ever been a security guard but every person that I have come in to contact that wanted to hurt me with never took the time to ask me if I was a security guard before he/she decided to fight or threaten me. I respect you regardless and would back any one of you up . I don't understand why you have it out for security guards or me. With your comments about me being a sworn officer and my mind set. I feel that when my time comes I will be a very good Police officer and I'm a very good security guard now. I'm sorry I'm not a pro at writing on forums.

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    Ok you would call the real cops on me for what ? Do you officers have it out for security guards or just me . So far what did I do wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAJARA View Post
    You are kidding right? As a security guard you have the same rights as a private citizen. If I was the Repo man I would have called the real cops on you.:
    Please explain. Since I'm a security guard I guess I'm slow.

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    I was a security guard for 3-1/2 years before becoming a LEO. At one of the job sites I worked, a pretty good sized shopping center with a very active nightclub, we had pretty frequent contact with problem people, and got into it breaking up fights with drunks more than a few times. Every single one of the people knew the difference between us and the real police; they knew we were security, knew we couldn't really do much, and were way more of a problem toward us than the police officers when they arrived.

    As a deputy, I have nearly daily contact with security guards, in various situations. I have yet to go to a call where someone thought a security guard was a law enforcement officer, and where a security guard had the same target. Everyone knows who is a guard and who is a cop, and they don't really regard the guards as any kind of a threat or obstacle to what they are going to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rookie2006 View Post
    Ok you would call the real cops on me for what ? Do you officers have it out for security guards or just me . So far what did I do wrong?
    Like I said in my original reply. We all learn. Okay, I'm not going to recap all the advice. or all the replies you got, except to say. "Chalk it up on your learning curve, and move on". IMHO you really didn't do anything all that wrong, just a couple of things you could have done a little differently. Right now, you're in that foggy world between a Security Guard and a sworn Officer. That can be a little difficult to negotiate. You'll get there though.

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    [QUOTE=rookie2006;1300820]Please explain. Since I'm a security guard I guess I'm slow.[/QUO


    First let me apologized if I offended you. I worked as a armed/unarmed security guard for several years here in the USA and Puerto Rico. Its an honorable profession. I was traying to said was that Security guards are not police officers. Security Guards in the U.S. derive their powers not from the state, as public police/peace officers do, but from a contractual arrangement that give them 'Agent of the Owner' powers. This includes a nearly unlimited power to question with the absence of probable cause requirements that frequently dog public law enforcement officers, provided that the security guard does not tread on the rights and liberties of others as guaranteed by the United States Constitution. Private security personnel do not enjoy the benefit of civil protection, as public law enforcement officers do, and can be sued directly for false arrests and illegal actions if they commit such acts

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    Quote Originally Posted by 511R View Post
    I think your job as a security guard is to OBSERVE AND REPORT. Not follow the repo crew to the Dennys. If you worked for me, you'd be gone.
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