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    Hindi Belt : SAFETY?

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    Haven't seen the video, but from everything I can gather, it consists of suggesting that the important stuff - cuffs, OC, baton - should be in the front of your belt where it is easily accessible, and there shouldn't be anything across the back. He also advocates a crossdraw ASP holster.

    I think that one can get good advice about how to set up a duty belt for free.
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    Ya, I agree, just looking at the promotional photos you see his exact layout. I suppose the video provides his system with the reasoning. Also from the website I gather the video will show some officer safety skills enhanced by the setup.

    One would hope issues like this would be addressed in the academy. I understand, however, for whatever reasons they are not. We were given the layout of our belt to be practiced with. Once graduated, you could then adjust as you felt necessary.

    I'm going to tinker with it for a while.
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    Wow - I had no idea what this thread was about, but as it was probably duty belt-related, I figured I would do a Google image search for a "Hindi belt." I have strict filtering on my PC, so my kids don't get any nasty stuff. You won't believe the image you'll find even with a safe search on.

    But to the actual Hindi belt....no idea...I think I actually saw this Bob Hindi guy two years ago at the Aardvark Tactical Demo Day in Duarte, CA. I have never seen anyone faster at deploying the ASP.
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    Its a great concept but is not practical unless you are fat. I am a size 36 and my belt is packed all the way around. My asp has to be behind my gun. My cuffs have to be on my back. My OC and taser are on my weak side along with the radio and flashlight. My mag pouch is horizontal next to my gun. I do not have room on my belt for a knife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tmg View Post
    My cuffs have to be on my back.
    How would you get to them if you were on the ground in a struggle? Every officer has a different configuration, but some just make no sense to me. I have trained on this for years, and it comes down to what works for you, individually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tmg View Post
    Its a great concept but is not practical unless you are fat. I am a size 36 and my belt is packed all the way around. My asp has to be behind my gun. My cuffs have to be on my back. My OC and taser are on my weak side along with the radio and flashlight. My mag pouch is horizontal next to my gun. I do not have room on my belt for a knife.
    I am a size 32 and have room for everything up front: light, radio, ASP, mags (vertical), cuffs, OC, gun.

    Taser unfortunately isn't an option but department policy is a leg drop pouch.

    The microphone gets slipped into a shirt pocket. but could be up front, too.

    At first I chose a different configuration out of requirement. Then I chose it out of comfort. Now I choose this set-up for good reasoning and truthfully, it is quite comfy in an ergonomic sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentFox View Post
    I am a size 32 and have room for everything up front: light, radio, ASP, mags (vertical), cuffs, OC, gun.

    Taser unfortunately isn't an option but department policy is a leg drop pouch.

    The microphone gets slipped into a shirt pocket. but could be up front, too.

    At first I chose a different configuration out of requirement. Then I chose it out of comfort. Now I choose this set-up for good reasoning and truthfully, it is quite comfy in an ergonomic sense.
    I have no idea how you do it cause my belt is packed all the way around. I have room for all my equipment and nothing else.
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    I carry most everything up front now. When I did have my cuffs on my back someone pointed out that anytime you reach for something on your back (like cuffs) you set yourself up for an arm-lock every time.....

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    If i am on my back fighting with a suspect i am not reaching for my cuffs. I Am reaching for another tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tmg View Post
    If i am on my back fighting with a suspect i am not reaching for my cuffs. I Am reaching for another tool.
    I don't believe the reason to be if you are in a fight. Obviously to restrain someone with cuffs you need them under control. You win that control with other methods, not cuffs.

    But by being up front, rather than to the rear, they are easily accessible to both hands. Same with the baton, OC, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tmg View Post
    Its a great concept but is not practical unless you are fat.
    Definitely not true. I am a size 36 and can fit everything where both hands can access it. Dont have a picture for you but here is the alignment starting from right side and going left.
    Holster
    key keeper
    OC
    Handcuffs
    Mag holders (vertical not horizontal!)
    ASP
    flashlight
    radio holder
    rubber gloves holder


    I have safariland velcro buckleless duty belt so can get things close together in front.
    Hindi's suggestions for your belt setup are excellent, highly recommended.

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    I am very intrigued TMG you are having problems fitting things up front. First of all, would you even do so? If not, it's not worth the time. However, if interested please take a photo. The back 160 degrees of my belt are free. 32 belt however prob a 31 waist.

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    I've read about his "system" and think the idea that there's only one perfect way to organize your gear is a crock. Different body sizes and shapes aside, everyone's trained differently at different academies at different times. Our experience differs and the type of equipment we deploy differs according to our personal experience. I place my OC on my Sam Browne in a certain place for a reason. The same with my handcuff case, spare flashlight, knife, etc... Although I'll be glad to share the reasons why I place the items where I do, I won't tell someone with a different background that they're wrong.

    In the academy, we were taught one way and although it was a good starting place, experience teaches us to adjust to what works best for us as individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tmg View Post
    Its a great concept but is not practical unless you are fat. I am a size 36 and my belt is packed all the way around. My asp has to be behind my gun. My cuffs have to be on my back. My OC and taser are on my weak side along with the radio and flashlight. My mag pouch is horizontal next to my gun. I do not have room on my belt for a knife.
    Same here, NO space to spare I'm thinking about geting fatter so I can put my multi-tool on my belt
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    The Hindi system is not necessarily THE way, but merely A way of doing things. Do what works for you.

    I have zero space left on my duty-rig either.

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    Wow, some folks really getting agitated by this. It is not THE way. It is A way. Calm down there gents.

    You can carry your gun in a cross draw holster there Billy the Kid..... you know cause thats the way they taught XX years ago.


    And if you want to know how he would fit in this and that item, ask him. He has a website. He can be reached via phone call or e-mail. Maybe he doesn't have an answer. Maybe he can work on it, get back to the drawing board, interview more specialists, etc.


    Do not be confused by the way you were taught and a way that is better; better tactically, ergonomically or physically. To be fooled by your few weeks in the academy as the only way is dangerous. We all learn with time and should actively seek for our better. Criminals are out there training, working out, finding new ways. Why should the Good Guys remain stale?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentFox View Post
    I am very intrigued TMG you are having problems fitting things up front. First of all, would you even do so? If not, it's not worth the time. However, if interested please take a photo. The back 160 degrees of my belt are free. 32 belt however prob a 31 waist.
    yeah i will take a pic here when i get a digital camera.

    Yes i am in the stone age and do not have a digital camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slamdunc View Post
    How would you get to them if you were on the ground in a struggle? Every officer has a different configuration, but some just make no sense to me. I have trained on this for years, and it comes down to what works for you, individually.
    On the ground in fight? The last thing I would go for is a set of cuffs. (Unless I was using them as weapons .....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentFox View Post
    I don't believe the reason to be if you are in a fight. Obviously to restrain someone with cuffs you need them under control. You win that control with other methods, not cuffs.

    But by being up front, rather than to the rear, they are easily accessible to both hands. Same with the baton, OC, etc.
    2 sets of cuffs on BOTH sides to rear. Either hand will do for the FIRST suspect.

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    Haha! Here's my belt:

    multi-tool at 4-o'clock
    keeper
    Glock at 3
    keeper (holding extra car key and streamlight cuff key)
    OC at 1
    buckle
    magazines at 11
    ASP at 10 (canted so it takes up a bit of room)
    flashlight at 9
    keeper
    portable radio at 8
    handcuffs at 7
    keeper (with hide-a-key) at 6

    I have a couple inches between 6 and four that I need to fill with a "D" size flashlight ring. Other than that, things are pretty much touching all the way around. Yeah, I'm not a big guy. Oh, I can also reach everything on my belt with either hand.

    I also have an external vest that holds the following:
    cuffs at 3 o'clock
    cell phone at 2
    digital recorder at 1
    oversize/undersize (S&W model 1) cuffs at 11
    X-26 at 10/9

    My portable has a lapel mic with an earpiece. I run the cord under my external and I mount the mic from the front. The earpiece goes in my left ear.

    I'd like to find room somewhere to put another "G2" sized flashlight since I work graves. Having 2 small flashlights on me at all times is a good idea if I don't happen to be carrying my big light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentFox View Post
    Wow, some folks really getting agitated by this. It is not THE way. It is A way. Calm down there gents.

    You can carry your gun in a cross draw holster there Billy the Kid..... you know cause thats the way they taught XX years ago.


    And if you want to know how he would fit in this and that item, ask him. He has a website. He can be reached via phone call or e-mail. Maybe he doesn't have an answer. Maybe he can work on it, get back to the drawing board, interview more specialists, etc.


    Do not be confused by the way you were taught and a way that is better; better tactically, ergonomically or physically. To be fooled by your few weeks in the academy as the only way is dangerous. We all learn with time and should actively seek for our better. Criminals are out there training, working out, finding new ways. Why should the Good Guys remain stale?
    Well said Agent! I couldnt say it any better.
    All I can add is this from his website www.batoncap.com
    For Further Information Contact:
    Officer Robert Hindi
    Cell: 702-279-8133
    E-mail: Batoncap@aol.com

    I spoke to him for quite awhile on the phone before I purchased anything.

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    Agent Fox is right: It's A Way.

    Bob is a good guy who spent a LOT of time researching the ergonomic AND tactical implications of equipment placement on the belt. The fact that he devoted so many years to research gives him extra points with me. That said, he himself points out that if you do anything different than the way he recommends, it's no longer his SAFETY system. There are some very good, viable, strong points to his system. It is an EXCELLENT place for new guys to start...

    Us older guys will always fight doing something different simply because we're hard headed.

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