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    Indiana Gaming Police (Casino)

    Anyone here apply to the Gaming police? It looks like the posting closes on the 11th the first schedule of events says that the test was on the 28th now it is moved to the 14th. Still no letter of where the test will be given guess it is a wait and see thing anyone else have any input?

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    Take my advice, avoid this agency. First and foremost, if you are hired and go to the academy through them, if you later decide to go to a city/county agency, you will have to do the BASIC academy completely (so I'm told). I have two officers with the gaming commission living in my community. One is a retired trooper (who had to go through the class) and the other is a rookie officer. They both hate the agency. The troop said if he had to do it over again, he wouldn't have retired to go to that agency. Just my .02.
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    Take Towncops advice BEWARE!!! The academy class you go through if you wanna call it that is on gaming laws only basically. You do not get the ILEA basic academy and you only have police powers on the casino and even that isn't much because you have to call a local pd to come and get the person to take them in if they're being arrested. I was also told that this is being done kind of on a trial basis so to speak and if they don't like how it goes then they could put troopers back on so it's not stable. The interview is terrible they ask nothing about your abilities and in the last process for the Grand Victoria and Belterra boats they mostly chose either retired officers or people without alot of experience. I'll give you an example a guy I worked with got the job and he even told them during his interview that he wasen't really interested in this line of work, but needed a job. What does that tell ya??

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    Thanks Alot Forum

    Thanks alot guys for your input. Just judging from the way they have not sent out any notice of the test I can see that they are a backwards agency. I had no idea that they only had powers in the casino and not anywhere else in the state, and furthermore did not know that it was on a trial basis. I am looking for a job with some retirement and something stable and I guess that this job is neither. Well I guess I will stick to the police process that I am going thru now. I knew that it was too good to be true.

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    Prior to this year, most, if not all gaming agents were actual state troopers. In fact, they may still be on the boats, but I do know they are phasing them out and getting them back on the road, where I'm sure most would prefer.

    I can tell you that if I went through 22 weeks of hell and another 12 or 14 weeks of field training and then got placed on a boat, I would be very ticked off, to say the least.

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    Armed Security Guards?

    Sounds like the gaming police are nothing more than armed security guards, at least judging from the posts here, if they have no police powers. And it is a trial thing? Wow this sounds like Gaming police may be a fly by night operation. Any comments to this? Before I invest my life in it
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    I'm a gaming agent with the Indiana gaming commission and I enjoy it. We do have full police powers (except for traffic laws) through out the state just as any LEO has in the state of Indiana. It is true that we have local agencies transport for us, but only because we are mandated by law to be on the boats for 24 hours a day and being an agency just starting out we don't have the manpower to do our own transports. Most of us wish it was possible, but right now we can't. We have some extremely sharp police officers with us at this time and will get more soon. It is true about the academy lasting only 8 weeks or so, but we did everything that the basics do except for EVOC and traffic law. I started my law enforcement career in 1984 and I have to say I am impressed with the agents that I work with. I spent 22 weeks in my first academy and I learned quite a bit from the 8 week course also. We have made some excellant cases such as identy theft, rape, prostitution, theft, drugs and much more. Because we are a new agency people don't know about who we are and what we do. In due time once we are known and people know what we do we will gain the respect of our fellow law enforcement brothers. It is like any other law enforcement agency some like it and some don't, I unfortunately have worked for three other agencies and was not happy with them at the get go, but now I am happy.
    We are still accepting applications on line, so if you have not heard anything yet that would be the reason just hang in there. Some agencies take a long time to go through the process, so it is has nothing to do with being a backwards agency. Our higher ups are very intelligent and all have an extensive law enforcement background and know what they are looking for in a police officer.

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    Well, pdc where you may be and because I see that you were previous law enforcement you may be able to do more then some gaming agents. From what I've been told on the Argosy, Grand Victoria, and Belterra Casinos they do not have full police powers they are actually in the works with local police departments to put some of their officers on their just for the purpose of making arrest and criminal investigations that's according to one of the local mayors.

    I can't forsee Gaming Agents having full police powers throughout the state as they don't go through even the Basic Academy, I mean initially the state didn't even wanna give them guns the state had to apply for a special permit to the superintendent to get them that's per a current ISP trooper.

    I believe this would be a good career move for someone who's been in law enforcement awhile and has retired and is looking for something to do or for someone who possibly got burned out on the road for some reason, but I don't think it's a good career move for someone who's looking to get into the law enforcement field I think they would be quickly bored and not having anything else to fall back on because they wouldn't have the academy which as most know around this area that's highly looked upon when going for a police position. This is just my opinion only, but I have to say I haven't heard many positive things about the IGC.

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    Forensiccop,

    You do have a right to your opinion and I respect you for that. Gaming agents do have full police powers through out the state under IC4-33-4.5-1.
    A reserve officer and special deputies have full police powers in the state of Indiana, so why wouldn't a gaming agent since we are a state law enforcement agency? IGC did not have to get permission from the superintendent to carry firearms, we are a police agency and we were given our powers and authority from the state legislators. In my opinion the fact that we are a new agency we are getting bad rap and a lot that is being said is coming from sources outside of the IGC. We are a work in progress and eventually everything will work it's self out. The IGC is in the process of hiring more agents for Argosy, Grand Victoria, and Belterra Casinos. Argosy still has Troopers on it and the other two boats have agents that do have full police powers I can personally and for a fact attest to that, so I am not sure what you are talking about in regards to the local Mayor. In my opinion it is good career opportunity for someone starting out. You are correct about having to go back to the academy if someone leaves us and does not have the basic academy that some of us have been through. Again this my opinion and may or may not be the same opinion as others.

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    IC 4-33-4.5-1
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    Sec. 1. (a) A gaming agent is vested with full police powers and duties to enforce this article.
    (b) A gaming agent may issue a summons for an infraction or a misdemeanor violation if the defendant promises to appear by signing the summons. A defendant who signs a summons issued under this subsection but fails to appear is subject to the penalties provided by IC 35-44-3-6.5. Upon the defendant's failure to appear, the court shall issue a warrant for the arrest of the defendant.
    (c) In addition to the powers and duties vested under subsection (a), a gaming agent may act as an officer for the arrest of offenders who violate the laws of Indiana if the gaming agent reasonably believes that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed or attempted in the gaming agent's presence.
    As added by P.L.170-2005, SEC.6.

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    I guess that I will have to make my own decision

    Well now hearing from an actual gaming police officer and from other police officers here I guess I will have to see what it is like. I think that it would be easier getting hired with a new agency then one that has alot of competition.

    Also what do you police officers think about beiing a specialized officer (Excise,Gaming,Capitol) vs a regular police officer?

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    I got my information from a current Trooper who was previously on one of the boats and he basically warned me against getting into this particular organization. In reference to the mayor I was a previous reserve officer with a department and the police chief had told me that the mayor was in talks with him to hire more officers to be for the boat for arresting situations. I think that you're gearing boeingleo in the wrong direction on this. Again, this is my opinion only, but I don't consider gaming agents actual police officers I have read and reread the code many times and the way it reads it pertains to situations that arise on the casinos only. I have talked to others that applied for this and got the job thinking they would be an officer, but regretted it later saying it was not at all what they thought it would be. I will leave it at that and those considering this job can make their own decision you of course pdc are going to be a bit biased due to the fact you're a current agent.

    Boeingle, in reference to your question I leave you with this on the specialized officer thing gaming should not be included with that with the Capital and Excise police you're getting the basic ILEA and are a Certified Police Officer and I would suggest to you to go that route new organization or not you will get alot more out of those two organizations then the IGC. Look for a pm from me.

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    As a bit of a follow-up to my previous post pdc I by no means mean any disrespect to you. I've just formed an opinion of this organization and it's just the way I feel and what I've been told about it. I think if they wanted to make themselves look a bit more attractive so to speak for LE hopefuls they should put those that haven't been through the academy yet such as yourself through it then have them do their 8-week inservice training on their regulations. This seems to work for the Excise police and Conservation as well and I think they would have a better turn out of applicants as anyone wanting a career in LE knows how crucial the academy is and I just think people might take you guys a bit more seriously.

    mean you're right, right now you're getting a bad rap because so much is being said as far as if you're real police or a glorified security agency which right now essentially is seems that's what you are. I don't know about other departments, but where I'm at the department decides how much police powers a reserve has. One department allows their reserves to drive around a car and make stops while another one around here the reserves are only allowed to ride around with an actual officer and just assist in situations. It's different everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forensiccop
    ...I can't forsee Gaming Agents having full police powers throughout the state as they don't go through even the Basic AcademyIGC...
    That might not be the case. Town marshalls are not required to attend the basic class and they have full powers.

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    That's true, but Town Marshalls go through a special course which enables them to have police powers, but the way I read the following their are stipulations to that.

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    The Indiana Law Enforcement Academy also offers a basic training program for town marshals and their deputies consisting of over 300 hours. To be eligible, the officer must be from a town which has no more than one marshal and two deputies. Officers are required to complete EMS awareness training in their community as part of the course. An officer must complete the marshal’s school within the same one year limit as required in the Basic Course. Graduates are fully certified officers in Indiana, however they are still required to graduate from the Basic Course if they later accept employment with a larger police agency

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    I understand what you are saying. I am just pointing out that attending ILEA Basic is not a prerequisite, for some officers. A couple of examples are reserve and special officers. State statute affords them full powers (though their PD might not) with only 40 hours of training.

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    police powers

    i could be wrong but i was under the impression that a reserve who only completes a 40hr pre-basic is not awarded state powers...reason i say this is im a reserve with fwpd, which consisted of completing a letb certified reserve academy..2002206. i was informed if a reserve only completes the 40hr pre basic they ar only awarded arresting powers only within their jursidiction.because they did not complete any state certified training..new haven reserves frequently ride along with fwpd, however being out of new haven limits they are not permitted to carry their firearm while on the ridealong..town marshalls do have state powers because although the numer of hours they complete are less than the basic recruit academy, they still completed a STATE certified training academy thus giving them state powers...correct me if im wrong on any of this...also is there a difference between the letb and ilea??

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    I don't know about reserves having only local powers. I have never heard that. LETB is ILEA's governing board; they oversee all of Indiana's academies.

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    so if my reserve academy is assigned a class number.2002206 but on my cert it says letb and no where does it say ilea, is that different from someone who completes basic ilea class certification wise?

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    nadster011,

    The cert for the basic academy also has LETB on them.

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    A reserve academy is not the same as the Basic course. The last I knew, reserve officers could not attend Basic. In theory, a reserve academy graduate can apply for a Basic waiver. If the LETB feels the reserve academy was the equivalent to ILEA, the officer would be waived and not have to go Basic. In Indiana, a Basic academy student must be a full-time police officer or sponsored by a police agency. Police departments that run their own academy, such as ISP, IPD, and IUPD may run “recruits” through. Upon graduating, the recruits are sworn in as police officers

    I don’t know LETB’s definition of “sponsored”. Perhaps someone else can elaborate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boeingleo
    Well now hearing from an actual gaming police officer and from other police officers here I guess I will have to see what it is like. I think that it would be easier getting hired with a new agency then one that has alot of competition.

    Also what do you police officers think about beiing a specialized officer (Excise,Gaming,Capitol) vs a regular police officer?
    They are regular police officers...

    On a side note... Referring to any police officer as a glorified security guard is disrespectful. The sentiment of such a comment insinuates said police officer is a lesser variety of law enforcement and does not merit the respect inherent of the profession. It is even more disconcerting to listen to an aspiring police officer make such a conclusion.

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    I was just asking a question

    I was just aking a question to say are they glorified security guards, since they have no police powers outside the boat and since according to other posters on this board it is a trial basis. I have the utmost respect for police officers and everyone in the field that is why I want to become one.

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    I came on a little strong, my apologies. One my job related peeves is people that put down an officer because (s)he isn’t employed by a traditional agency. I don't care what color your uniform is, a cop is a cop.

    Sorry for being snippy.
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    Not a problem

    Not a problem

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    couple things..tennsix...reason i ask is the academy i completed was a joint allen county/fort wayne certified reserve class..total hours completed was 325..at that time 9/02 i believe that hours required by ilea for the basic recruit class was 480 thus i would be short on hours even if i could apply for a waiver for the basic class...now the last reserve class of fwpd 10/04..was not a joint academy thus fwpd ran their own reserve academy...that class hours consisted of 480 (both classes met the requirements when it comes to dt's, firearms, evoc, ethics, diversity, first aid haz mat etc.)... which i believe was still the requirement for the basic class..could one of these reserves apply somwhere full time and get a waiver since they completed the equivalent of mandated hours from a certified ilea academy...second..what is the deal with iupd's academy...i assume they run their own recruits and they are sworn in just like ipd, fwpd, and others who conduct their own academies.....does iupd in bloomington offer academy training to their police cadets(not recruits) and or what training and powers do they possess.. on the sponsorship portion i would imagine since the letb is willing to give their stamp of approval to an accredited acadmey i would think they all would have to meet the minimum number of hours in each block of trainging when it comes to ethics, firearms, diversity, hazmat, evoc....i think the main difference is that when it comes to those depts who run their own academy like isp, ipd, fwpd, iupd...after they meet these minimum requirements the remainder of hours are dept sepcific...example i believe basic ilea is currenly at about 650hrs...fwpd academy is right at or above 1000 hrs...
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