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    Smoking in cars with kids illegal?

    Talk about a stretch.......

    I was watching one of the many news networks, and on a talk show, there was some senator from California sponsoring a bill to make smoking in a vehicle with a child inside illegal. It also sounds like other states are moving towards pushing this too. That seems a bit over the edge to me.

    If by some amazing chance that this bill was ever passed, I can't see a very large effort to enforce it. What do you think?
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    Be great if it passes. Be even greater if it is enforced.

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    I would definitely enforce it. A study just recently announced by the attorney general has shown the toxic effects of second-hand smoke. It has been proven time and time again that it can be just as dangerous as takin a drag off a cigarette. Children obviously don't get the choice of whether they want to ruin their lungs/lives when they breathe in what their parents blow around in the car.

    Funny this thread was started. I observed a pregnant woman smoking last night. I would have arrested her for child endangerment if I could have.

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    I belief that in Chicago you cant smoke in your vehicle anymore. Not sure but I know they trying to make it a smoke free town. I wouldnt mind for this reason....if you wanna mess with your health go for it but dont mess with your childs health.

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    Yes exactly. I was around my dad's smoking when I was younger and I developed asthma..which I still have. I am not saying that caused it right out, but it certainly did NOT help at all.

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    Great, due to pressure from various areas, these laws are passed.

    However, I grew up in a home where my mother smoked, my father smoked, and I am an ex smoker myself.

    One thing I can't stand, it smelling like cigarettes. I turned out ok, and I remember being in smoke filled rooms and cars. Infact, I went though the academy as a smoker and was one of the top runners in my class.

    I really believe that second hand smokes' effect is over rated. Even as an ex smoker who hates the smell of smoke, I really get urked when someone "smells" someone smoking a good distance away and decides to make a show out of coughing up a lung to point it out to the guy or girl with the cigarettes.

    I believe that there are those who are effected more than others by second hand smoke. It is those people that the anti smoke campaigns attatch to. With that said, I also believe that one should not smoke in a closed room or car with others.

    I may seem insensitive. So be it. I have been on both sides of this line. And I am sorry if I am ranting or deviating from the central topic a bit.

    I have had in-laws that have died from enphazima directly caused by his smoking. And I have seen blood relitives who have smoked for 60 years and are as healthy as someone who may have lived in any metro city breathing smog filled air for the same amount of time.

    Really, the point I am trying to make: Smoke in the car if you want, just open some windows.

    People who think they are going to die because they smelled smoke once when they were at the mall should choke on their tounge.

    Statistical studies on second hand smoke are based on continuous exposure in a closed environment. That type of environment is the type I am more than willing to help prevent. Again, I use the word however, second hand smoke does not have the same effect as the studies when you can smell someone smoking in a car ahead of you in traffic, or in a parking lot at the mall.

    edited because I forgot to add: I live near Calabasas. The most nazi city for anti smoking city laws. As of last week or so, one can not smoke in public at all within the city limits. You heard right, no smoking in public at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ejay
    Great, due to pressure from various areas, these laws are passed.

    However, I grew up in a home where my mother smoked, my father smoked, and I am an ex smoker myself.

    One thing I can't stand, it smelling like cigarettes. I turned out ok, and I remember being in smoke filled rooms and cars. Infact, I went though the academy as a smoker and was one of the top runners in my class.

    I really believe that second hand smokes' effect is over rated. Even as an ex smoker who hates the smell of smoke, I really get urked when someone "smells" someone smoking a good distance away and decides to make a show out of coughing up a lung to point it out to the guy or girl with the cigarettes.

    I believe that there are those who are effected more than others by second hand smoke. It is those people that the anti smoke campaigns attatch to. With that said, I also believe that one should not smoke in a closed room or car with others.

    I may seem insensitive. So be it. I have been on both sides of this line. And I am sorry if I am ranting or deviating from the central topic a bit.

    I have had in-laws that have died from enphazima directly caused by his smoking. And I have seen blood relitives who have smoked for 60 years and are as healthy as someone who may have lived in any metro city breathing smog filled air for the same amount of time.

    Really, the point I am trying to make: Smoke in the car if you want, just open some windows.

    People who think they are going to die because they smelled smoke once when they were at the mall should choke on their tounge.

    Statistical studies on second hand smoke are based on continuous exposure in a closed environment. That type of environment is the type I am more than willing to help prevent. Again, I use the word however, second hand smoke does not have the same effect as the studies when you can smell someone smoking in a car ahead of you in traffic, or in a parking lot at the mall.

    Yes genetics do play a part. But either way, I never want to inhale smoke into my lungs period. State I live in now makes it illegal to smoke in any building that is not a household, and you must be 25 feet from entrances and ventilation systems that lead into buildings. +1 for Washington State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brav989
    Yes genetics do play a part. But either way, I never want to inhale smoke into my lungs period. State I live in now makes it illegal to smoke in any building that is not a household, and you must be 25 feet from entrances and ventilation systems that lead into buildings. +1 for Washington State.
    Sure, I never want to inhale smog from motor vehicles in my lungs at all either. But I get some of the same toxins plus some just sitting in traffic on the freeway everyday.

    The laws you mentioned that are in place in Washington state have been in play here in California for some time now. +1 for the peoples republic, yay.

    Point being with all due respect sir, one may want to never be exposed to the harmful effects of the sun. So one wears sunscreen. That is something that can't be prevented.

    The effects of the toxins of cigarettes can be prevented I agree. But your exposure to it in outside second hand has no more effect on your lungs than the regular toxins already present. I think people overreact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ejay
    Sure, I never want to inhale smog from motor vehicles in my lungs at all either. But I get some of the same toxins plus some just sitting in traffic on the freeway everyday.

    The laws you mentioned that are in place in Washington state have been in play here in California for some time now. +1 for the peoples republic, yay.

    Point being with all due respect sir, one may want to never be exposed to the harmful effects of the sun. So one wears sunscreen. That is something that can't be prevented.

    The effects of the toxins of cigarettes can be prevented I agree. But your exposure to it in outside second hand has no more effect on your lungs than the regular toxins already present. I think people overreact.
    It is illegal in CA to smoke within 25 feet of doorways and in any building that is not a dwelling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brav989
    It is illegal in CA to smoke within 25 feet of doorways and in any building that is not a dwelling?
    I think it is 20 feet, but yes.
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    From Wikipedia ..

    "Washington, 8 December 2005 banned in all workplaces, including bars, restaurants, bowling alleys, and non-tribal casinos. Also bans smoking while standing within 25 feet of a door or window that can open or a ventilation intake. Currently it is the strictest smoking ban by state in the country."

    "California, 1994 banned in almost all workplaces (excepting tobacconists), including all restaurants, and in 1998 smoking was banned in bars."

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    California laws: http://www.cigargroup.com/calif.htm

    Calabasas Laws as I mentioned above:http://www.theacorn.com/news/2006/02..._page/001.html

    Washington laws are harsh. But as all of us who work in California know, the ninth circut is just as effective here as in Washington in being the wonderful patrons they are.
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    Well under the guise of well being of the child I wouldn’t have a problem with it. I am personally disgusted with parents who have the windows rolled up smoking away with kids in the car. Its a despicable sight as far as I am concerned. Its not overly intrusive into dictating how and about what you can parent your kids. Its just stating that this is risky behavior and you aren’t allowed to expose your child to it. No different than pornography is bad for children so even if as a parent you decide so sorry you cant until their 18 because its illegal. I know I am going to get flamed for that last one. I am not trying to draw a connection between smoking parents and those who’s sexually abuse their children. I am ONLY trying to illustrate the fact that the government has in the past officially labeled certain things not for minors and young children and this really is no different than any of the others. Oh and I am a ex smoker and a father as well. So I know what its like to want to smoke and to be hesitant of the government meddling in my ability to parent as I see fit. I really think that what politicians envision putting a stop to is the scene of a mini van windows rolled up with a car pool full of kids going to school and the adult in the front smoking away and the children have no choice but to be exposed. And I for one agree that they deserve that protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by styguy531
    Talk about a stretch.......

    I was watching one of the many news networks, and on a talk show, there was some senator from California sponsoring a bill to make smoking in a vehicle with a child inside illegal. It also sounds like other states are moving towards pushing this too. That seems a bit over the edge to me.

    If by some amazing chance that this bill was ever passed, I can't see a very large effort to enforce it. What do you think?
    I think it should be a felony

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    Quote Originally Posted by styguy531
    Talk about a stretch.......

    I was watching one of the many news networks, and on a talk show, there was some senator from California sponsoring a bill to make smoking in a vehicle with a child inside illegal. It also sounds like other states are moving towards pushing this too. That seems a bit over the edge to me.

    If by some amazing chance that this bill was ever passed, I can't see a very large effort to enforce it. What do you think?

    The idea is good, but it would be rather difficult to manage. SO many smoke (myself incl, but I have never smoked around my child and she's 8) it would be a burden on LE in general responding to this "mobile" issue. You'd have every Dick and Jane sitting in traffic, nothing to do, cell phone in hand observing someone smoking in their car with a child and calling to report it. I can't see having an in car smoking patrol out there sooooooooooo..... :shakes head: I believe that 2nd hand smoke DOES have an effect, different for everyone, but if a parent is going to smoke in the car with child, then they do it at home as well so what are you really accomplishing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFK
    The idea is good, but it would be rather difficult to manage. SO many smoke (myself incl, but I have never smoked around my child and she's 8) it would be a burden on LE in general responding to this "mobile" issue. You'd have every Dick and Jane sitting in traffic, nothing to do, cell phone in hand observing someone smoking in their car with a child and calling to report it. I can't see having an in car smoking patrol out there sooooooooooo..... :shakes head: I believe that 2nd hand smoke DOES have an effect, different for everyone, but if a parent is going to smoke in the car with child, then they do it at home as well so what are you really accomplishing?
    NO problem. Cops see people smoking with kids in the car all the time and they will continue to see them after it is illegal. Also, you will have marital break-ups where the non-smoking parent will go sign complaints against the smoking parent and we can go lock them up in jail where they belong for soiling the lungs of the innocent

    And that " I dont smoke around my kids" line just doesnt cut it. AFTER you have smoked, there are toxins that rise from your breath, hair, skin and clothes that are just as toxic, but at lower levels.. Unless you shower, shampoo, change your clothes and wait at least an hour for your breath to clear after every cigarette, you are putting your children in peril. And if you breast feed, you will poison the baby with bitter, toxic lactations

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    Quote Originally Posted by My Gluttony
    NO problem. Cops see people smoking with kids in the car all the time and they will continue to see them after it is illegal. Also, you will have marital break-ups where the non-smoking parent will go sign complaints against the smoking parent and we can go lock them up in jail where they belong for soiling the lungs of the innocent

    And that " I dont smoke around my kids" line just doesnt cut it. AFTER you have smoked, there are toxins that rise from your breath, hair, skin and clothes that are just as toxic, but at lower levels.. Unless you shower, shampoo, change your clothes and wait at least an hour for your breath to clear after every cigarette, you are putting your children in peril. And if you breast feed, you will poison the baby with bitter, toxic lactations

    Oh please, I realize that there are toxins out there but you are gripping. I agree about the compl point. Personally, I can't stand the smell on clothing, myself etc. When I smoke, I smoke only outdoors and I always wash hands, use my purrell afterwards. It's not something I do all day, it's mostly at work and I work over an hour away from home. (The drive home is refreshing and smoke free. I may have one before bed, LONG after sleeping child)

    As for your smoke/toxin/chemical/ whatevah breakdown, in retrospect we are all in peril when we walk out the door by exposure to what is known but probably more by unknown. I would not agree with smoking whilst breastfeeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFK
    Oh please, I realize that there are toxins out there but you are gripping. I agree about the compl point. Personally, I can't stand the smell on clothing, myself etc. When I smoke, I smoke only outdoors and I always wash hands, use my purrell afterwards. It's not something I do all day, it's mostly at work and I work over an hour away from home. (The drive home is refreshing and smoke free. I may have one before bed, LONG after sleeping child)

    As for your smoke/toxin/chemical/ whatevah breakdown, in retrospect we are all in peril when we walk out the door by exposure to what is known but probably more by unknown. I would not agree with smoking whilst breastfeeding.

    I'll bet you smoke alot more then you say you do
    I guess you dont smoke on your days off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFK

    As for your smoke/toxin/chemical/ whatevah breakdown, in retrospect we are all in peril when we walk out the door by exposure to what is known but probably more by unknown. I would not agree with smoking whilst breastfeeding.
    I agree with you. I smoke but I smoke outside..smoke awhole lot less during the winter. When kids are in the car, i wait till we stop to have smoke if I feel like having one.

    If the windows are opened in the summer I smoke away from the windows making sure they do not go inside of house.

    I think it is a good law..maybe the childen will have a better chance with their health.
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    Quote Originally Posted by My Gluttony
    I'll bet you smoke alot more then you say you do
    I guess you dont smoke on your days off?

    Issssssssssssssssssssssss that the best you got?

    I am off tomorrow, If I smoke I will be sure to report where, when, time delay and whether or not I had my child fitted for haz mat gear

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEOSupporter
    I agree with you. I smoke but I smoke outside..smoke awhole lot less during the winter. When kids are in the car, i wait till we stop to have smoke if I feel like having one.

    If the windows are opened in the summer I smoke away from the windows making sure they do not go inside of house.

    I think it is a good law..maybe the childen will have a better chance with their health.


    I don't agree with smoking around children, no matter where, in or out. That's just me though. Common sense is the key, and you have that.

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    Our public buildings are smoke-free here too now. It's nice that the bars aren't all smokey anymore. It makes them more enjoyable. I wish Alberta would go smoke-free too. I think they're thinking about it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFK
    Issssssssssssssssssssssss that the best you got?

    I am off tomorrow, If I smoke I will be sure to report where, when, time delay and whether or not I had my child fitted for haz mat gear
    Dont get mad at me because you cant quit smoking
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    Quote Originally Posted by OFK
    I don't agree with smoking around children, no matter where, in or out. That's just me though. Common sense is the key, and you have that.
    Most times the kids are with my sister OR their moms. I'm not around alot of kids on a daily basis. Just one and that one usually is inside when I'm outside. If we stop from being the car, i generally do not go in where we are heading to have that smoke..kids aren't around. I only have one and that one is 26 years on his own.

    But the most I smoked is MAYBE almost a pack a day minus 3-5

    The majority of the time is only half a pack a day and I rarely smoke the whole cigette

    On a sdie note: I respect non smokers so I try to stay away from adults even when I smoke. If they come up to chat with me when I'm smoking that was there choice. I try to be as respectful to non smokers as i can. I even watch which way the smoke is blowing so if it goes near the non smokers I move away till it doesn't
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowing-Dee
    Our public buildings are smoke-free here too now. It's nice that the bars aren't all smokey anymore. It makes them more enjoyable. I wish Alberta would go smoke-free too. I think they're thinking about it though.
    I don't really go to bars now days like I use to, but I do go visit my sister some weekends while she works (bartender in lounge) and to be honest...as a smoker, it is nicer being somewhere that is not smoke filled.

    Some of my pet peeves AS A SMOKER against smokers.

    1. Throwing lit cigerettes out of a moving vehicle or even walking than tossing it down

    2. Tossing the cigerette butt on ground, putting it out than leaving it. (Or even empying ashtray onto ground).

    3. Using a potted plant to put cigerette out when an ashtray is in plain view.

    4. Teasingly/purposely blowing your smoke into a non smoker because they are griping about the smoke.

    My motto: cigerette butts DO NOT make good landscaping.

    I even empty the ashtray into an empty coffee can before going into the garbage can. When the garbage men empty cans loose butts fall out. The coffee can keeps them in and does not end up on the ground.
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