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    Post Green Berets, Delta Force, Army Rangers, Navy Seal....

    I have a general idea about what each of these specialized units does (did I miss any?).

    However, being too lazy to research it on the net I'll ask the vets on this BB to enlighten me further. What are the similarities or differences in their training and/or missions. (I know the Navy SEAL training is brutal from watching a documenatry).

    Does the CIA officially have their own military? The late CIA Agent Johnny Spahn was reported to be in the military division-I didn't know they had one.

    Obviously,I don't want any sensitive info, just general stuff.

    And lastly, the 12 year old in me wants to know which unit could kick the other's azz in a fight?

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    As far as the "CIA Military Division" you are asking about, the CIA has an Office of Military Affairs; basically thats where Military Officers are assigned to the CIA and vice versa to make communciation between the Agency and the Military easier. I doubt that what Mike Spann was doing because the Office of Military Affairs is just Information Sharing, nothing operational about it (That I know of, you never know with the CIA)

    Mike Spann was most likely a Paramilitary Operations Officer...those CIA Officers who are specially trained to teach paramilitary forces (Much like Green Berets) and conduct paramilitary covert action.

    No, I don't think the CIA has an armed force that could be called a military, nor do I think it would be legal for a organization outside the Armed Services to have such a "Private Army"

    There is talk around Specialoperations.com that the CIA has its own special ops group(s) that sheepdips from the military, and some people claim the CIA Directorate of Operations has created a Special Action Staff (SAS) for this War on Terror.


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    Here's my disclaimer: I was not involved with any of the above mentioned groups; I wasn't even in the military. All information detailed below is based purely on reading I've done and documentaries I've watched.

    While there is certainly a lot of overlap and shared missions in the special forces community, each group does have its specialties. As I understand it, they are:

    SEALS - Military operations, especially any that involve water. Everything from demolitions to reconaissance.

    Green Berets - I believe the official name of the Green Berets is the Army Special Forces. Their mission was to serve as military advisors in foreign lands. In addition to their combat skills, they specialized in languages and training techniques.

    Delta Force - The Army's anti-terrorist team.

    Rangers - The Army's special operations troops. Also includes the Airborne Rangers. They specialize in large objectives, like taking and hold airports.

    A few other groups of elite soldiers bear mentioning:

    Marine Recon Sniper - Usually work in 2-man teams (sniper and spotter) to get close to a target without being observed and either eliminate the target or provide information to HQ.

    FBI Hostage Rescue Team (HRT) - Made up of teams of snipers and close quarter battle specialists, they're the federal government's anti-terrorist squad. I just finished reading a great book by Christopher Whitcomb called "Cold Zero" about his life on HRT.

    Air Force Para-Rescue - Guys that go through a lot of the same training as their combat counterparts but whose main mission is as combat medics.

    Coast Guard Para-Jumpers - These are the ones you want to call if you're treading water in the middle of the ocean.

    I'm sure I've missed some and my information might be a little off, but I hope that helps. As far as who could kick who's a**? I think it all depends on the situation. I've seen 4-person teams on the Eco-Challenge whip the pants off groups of Army Rangers and Navy SEALs, but I doubt I'd want some granola-eater with strong lungs taking out a terrorist in a dark room full of hostages.
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    I'm a retired MP with 21 years in, from line duty MP through MPI, Instructor and finally as senior instructor/NCOIC SRT.

    Bubba, any of the groups you've listed are top notch. They all are qualified airborne, swimmers, land navigators, and can blow things up, sink 'em or burn'em, whatever you desire

    More than any other quilification, they possess one most important in spades: They can endure, and they finish the mission.

    From a slight bias, I'll tell you though that an Army Special Forces troop can whip any two Navy pukes. Make that 4

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    Don't forget Air Force Combat Contollers.

    Concerning "special operations"...

    They're only "special" because they have non-traditional missionsobjectives. With some exception for the Rangers.

    They aren't "special" because they are more high speed/low drag than other soldiers.

    Armored Cavalry is top notch, as is Artillery... and don't forget Infantry!

    Infantry is who has the main responsibility to seize and hold land which is the objective of war.

    Units can't move without the Combat Engineers or Transportation Battalions, or even the Water Purification Companies.

    You also need Intelligence. How can you fight an enemy if you can't find them?

    And none of these units could function without beans and bullets from the Quartermaster Corp. Someone has to cook, someone has to keep your pay and benefits straight.

    The MPs keep things secure, help direct movement, and work with EPWs who are vital sources of intel.

    A STRAC troop is a STRAC troop whether or not he or she has a funny hat, or a sleeve full of rockers and tabs, or a chest full of qual tabs.

    While I take the new "army of one" thing with a big grain of marketing salt... it is true that each individual soldier is very important. No matter what the MOS, job, rate, or assignement... they are each soldiers and sailors who are serving their country to the best of their abilities.

    Sure, the special ops types are all sexy and cool... but the regular old ground pounding Infantry is out there too. Right along with the aviators and clerks and cooks and all the rest.

    Being high speed/low drag is an attiude of professionalism, duty, and honor... not a unit designation or some piece of cloth on your uniform.
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    Originally posted by Sparky:



    Being high speed/low drag is an attiude of professionalism, duty, and honor... not a unit designation or some piece of cloth on your uniform.

    The absolute truth.

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    Jim I think you have got it backwards (like most everything Army):
    One stealthy squid can take out 4, make that 6, little green army men.

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    try

    www.specialoperations.com/Domestic/CIA/SAS/

    For an overview of the CIA Military Special Projects group.

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    There is only one "special" force really.

    Her Majesty's SAS

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