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    Driving with Expired Registration

    I was just given a citiation today for driving with an expired registration. My registration expired on March 31st and had no idea it was. The officer explained to me that this was not a moving violation and that points would not be assessed.

    My question is, if it's not a moving violation then why how could I get it in the first place? What I mean was, if I was moving (I was driving)then how could it be a non-moving violation. I am not trying to be a wise guy, only trying to understand. I was under the impression that I needed to be stopped for something else to write a ticket for registration...ie like getting stopped for speeding and then writing a seat belt ticket. I also thought that this was a voidable ticket if i corrected it (which I already did).

    Any insight would be appreciated.

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    A moving violation is when you violate "rules of the road" type laws such as speeding, turns, passing, traffic signs, signals and controls, granting right of way, etc. These laws typically are assigned points which can be assessed against your drivers license which could eventually lead to a license suspension.

    Driving with expired registration or unregistered vehicle are "paperwork" type laws and typically do not carry points which would be assessed against your drivers license.

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    On the flip side, your car could be impounded and held until you get plates. You would be responsible for the towing and storage fees, in addtion to the ticket.

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    I love those tickets because you can't fight them. They're either expired or not. In Georgia it's over a $250 to pay one of those off.

    Even though you must be driving on the roadway to be issued the citation, it is not a moving violation. Basically we need to see your car on a public roadway because we cannot issue citations on private property or parking lots (with except of DUI and Reckless Driving).

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc1733
    I was just given a citiation today for driving with an expired registration. My registration expired on March 31st and had no idea it was. The officer explained to me that this was not a moving violation and that points would not be assessed..

    While every state is different, usually states have "moving violations" for which points are assessed against a violator's privilege to drive, and "non-moving" violations for which points are not assessed. Non-movers may be written for violations committed while moving (license plate light not working, no valid registration, no proof of insurance, etc) but do not affect your privilege to drive on the roads. Movers, such as speeding, reckless driving, stop sign violation, etc accrue points against your driving privileges. If it helps clear it up any, I can write you for haveing a headlight out when I do a safety check at a stop sign intersection, but cannot write you for speeding unless I catch you moving faster than the allowed speed.

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    It all depends on where you are.

    Here, I can conduct a random check of a vehicle registration as long as I see the vehicle operating on a public roadway. If it comes back expired, it's a primary offense -- in other words, probable cause to make a stop.

    In most cases I write a written warning giving people a certain amount of time to rectify the situation. If they do so in the prescribed time period, I throw away the warning. If they don't, I issue a citation by mail.
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    I do not understand how people don't know their registartion tags are expired... In Ohio it expires on your birthday month. How can you not know???

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKralC104
    I do not understand how people don't know their registartion tags are expired... In Ohio it expires on your birthday month. How can you not know???
    I do not examine my registration daily...maybe you do. Ohio has an easy way then. I got my inspection and emissions done last month in which I remembered because I'm always looking at the stickers on my windsheild. I never look at my registration or license plate. I know I'll never forget again.

    Thanks for your imput guys, I appreciate it!

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    In reference to your comment on being pulled over for another violation before you can be cited for the expired tags....that probably varies from state to state. A common misconception of the "general public" is that Law Enforcement needs "probable cause" to stop you. This is inaccurate, US case law states all you need to conduct a traffic stop on a violator is "reasonable suspicion". So if an officer observed your license plate expired...that gave him "reasonable suspicion" to pull you over and find out why you didn't renew your tags.
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    I _LOVE_ writing expired tag tickets. I actively seek them out.

    I have ZERO sympathy for folks who drive around with expired tags. All my stuff is up to date, and always has been. Those stickers are there for you to look at em. And you get a notice in the mail that they are going to expire.

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    Driving with expired registration.

    It's been pretty well explained to you, but here it is once more. While the laws on registration vary from state to state, and some states will allow a grace period, the basic requirement is that your vehicle be properly and currently registered. If a Peace Officer observes you with an expired tag, he needs NO other reason to stop you. Registration violations are NOT moving violations, and therefore in most states no points are assessed on your driving record. An example of a moving violation would be unlawful speed, runing a stop sign, DUI, etc. Points are assessed for these and other moving(rules of the road) violations. If you haven't already done so, I would urge you to take of the citation you recieved, as there are sanctions(arrest warrants, suspension of driver's license) if you fail to do so. Hope this clears up any questions you may have had.

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    From my experience, a vehicle with expired tags most likely also has expired insurance. (You need active insurance to register a vehicle in Alberta). No insurance carries a $2875 fine on the first offence. I am more than happy to hand out no insurance/registration tickets becuase of the headaches that are caused when someone who doesn't have his stuff up to date is involved in an accident with someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc1733
    I do not examine my registration daily...maybe you do. Ohio has an easy way then. I got my inspection and emissions done last month in which I remembered because I'm always looking at the stickers on my windsheild. I never look at my registration or license plate. I know I'll never forget again.

    Thanks for your imput guys, I appreciate it!
    That is one of the very few decent things about Ohio. Our tags expire on the vehicle owner's birthday and also we can get them renewed 90 days (EXACTLY, not 91 as I found out years ago)early. This year I am going to renew in June probably, since both cars are in my name.

    I've had relatives say "My tags don't expire till the end of the month." I said "Mine do, since my bd is the 31st, but they are set up according to the owner's bd, and even one day after that they can get hit for expired tags. I know. "
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    I run tags that are displaying the current month/year, most times they come back revoked. In NC if your insurance lapses your plate will be revoked. When/if your are stopped the plate is removed and you are charged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10 FORTY 3
    So if an officer observed your license plate expired...that gave him "reasonable suspicion" to pull you over and find out why you didn't renew your tags.
    Hmmmm.....I believe that would be PC that some one violated the code, not resonable suspicion, if you observed a vehicle with an expired tag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powertripboyz
    So... when someone accidentally runs you over or not so accidentally shoots you in the face I will have ZERO sympathy because I have ZERO sympathy for pathetic a-holes like you.

    Have a nice day, *****.
    You feel that way because it was your fault for not registering your vehical? Grow up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by powertripboyz
    I enjoyed this post because it shows what I've always suspected. People like you become police officers because you are losers on a power trip and can't get any other job. You ENJOY hassling people and f-ing up their day with this idiotic BS. For your information, no they DON'T send you any notices in the mail that tell you that your registration is about to expire. They hope that you will forget and an a-hole cop like you will notice. Also, maybe YOU sit there and look at the stickers on your plate all day because you're a retard with no life. Most people don't and it is EXTREMELY EASY to forget to renew the damn registration. It is really not something I ever think about unless I'm reminded.

    People like you are the reason so many people HATE cops. You are supposed to serve and protect, but instead of dealing with criminals you're out there getting fat off the salary we pay you with our taxes and to hassle law abiding citizens. And you obviously get a lot of pleasure out of it.

    So... when someone accidentally runs you over or not so accidentally shoots you in the face I will have ZERO sympathy because I have ZERO sympathy for pathetic a-holes like you.

    Have a nice day, *****.
    And you do not accept responsibility for your actions, or in this case failure to act. From this post, to put it mildly, you seem quite the fool. At your age I would think you had the maturity not to require someone to hold your hand in the daily walk of life, but apparently you need special treatment.

    As for your ZERO sympathy comments, I don't think anyone worth their salt will spend a heart beat missing whatever sympathy a spastic imbecile such as yourself could offer.

    Have a nice day, freakshow.

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    Not to thread hijack but someone mentioned earlier that they could impound a vehicle for expired tags. Here at my PD we could (and I have for 4 years) but they just changed our policy because there is "no legal standing" to impound. Now we cannot tow for expired tags, no insurance, fictitious plates, or no ops. So my question is "is there state law to back you up or is it dept policy?" If there happens to be case law backing you up could you relay that info to me so I can pass it on to the brass. This really bothers me because it takes away one of the easiest ways for me to get inside a car (inventory search). Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powertripboyz
    I enjoyed this post because it shows what I've always suspected. People like you become police officers because you are losers on a power trip and can't get any other job. You ENJOY hassling people and f-ing up their day with this idiotic BS. For your information, no they DON'T send you any notices in the mail that tell you that your registration is about to expire. They hope that you will forget and an a-hole cop like you will notice. Also, maybe YOU sit there and look at the stickers on your plate all day because you're a retard with no life. Most people don't and it is EXTREMELY EASY to forget to renew the damn registration. It is really not something I ever think about unless I'm reminded.

    People like you are the reason so many people HATE cops. You are supposed to serve and protect, but instead of dealing with criminals you're out there getting fat off the salary we pay you with our taxes and to hassle law abiding citizens. And you obviously get a lot of pleasure out of it.

    So... when someone accidentally runs you over or not so accidentally shoots you in the face I will have ZERO sympathy because I have ZERO sympathy for pathetic a-holes like you.

    Have a nice day, *****.
    Registration is a form of tax, I have been paying for registrations for over 35 years, and they have always been current. I currently have 3 cars, a truck, three bikes, and two trailers that all have curent registrations, and Va state inspections as well. I have no problem keeping up with it.

    Citizens who fail to keep up thier responsabilities of vehicle ownership like registrations, inspections, insurance, are not exactly totally "law abiding". Law here requires all those things as well as proper lighting, glass, tires, exhaust, etc.

    Speaking of criminals (you mentioned them), wasn't Timothy McVeigh stopped over just such a registration violation?


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    Quote Originally Posted by powertripboyz
    So... when someone accidentally runs you over or not so accidentally shoots you in the face I will have ZERO sympathy because I have ZERO sympathy for pathetic a-holes like you.

    Have a nice day, *****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc1733
    My question is, if it's not a moving violation then why how could I get it in the first place?
    the same way you can get a ticket for not having headlights, brakelights, a muffler, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by marc1733
    What I mean was, if I was moving (I was driving)then how could it be a non-moving violation. I am not trying to be a wise guy, only trying to understand. I was under the impression that I needed to be stopped for something else to write a ticket for registration...ie like getting stopped for speeding and then writing a seat belt ticket. I also thought that this was a voidable ticket if i corrected it (which I already did).
    Okay, I see some others explained the "moving violation" part. I'm just going to give you some free advice: pay the ticket. You obviously don't know enough about traffic law to fight it.

    I would also recommend you take some kind of driver safety course or, at the very least, go to your DMV and pick up a copy of the booklet they give to new drivers- most of that stuff should be in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t150vsuptpr
    Registration is a form of tax, I have been paying for registrations for over 35 years, and they have always been current. I currently have 3 cars, a truck, three bikes, and two trailers that all have curent registrations, and Va state inspections as well. I have no problem keeping up with it.
    The IRS doesn't send you a bill every year, do they? But you know when it's due.

    As far as the dickhead who thinks cops are on a power trip for stopping people for 5204(a) VC, I've developed cases of the following types off the drivers and occupants

    207 pc, 211 pc, 243 pc, 245 pc, 496 pc---- 23152 (a) &(b) vc, 23222 (a) &(b) VC-- 11364 H&S, 11377 H&S Not to mention the numerous warrant arrest that result from 5204(a) stops.

    You want real police work, look up these California codes and see what I do. Until you can stand in my shoes, shut the FFFFFFFFF UP!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by powertripboyz
    For your information, no they DON'T send you any notices in the mail that tell you that your registration is about to expire. They hope that you will forget and an a-hole cop like you will notice. Also, maybe YOU sit there and look at the stickers on your plate all day because you're a retard with no life. Most people don't and it is EXTREMELY EASY to forget to renew the damn registration. It is really not something I ever think about unless I'm reminded.

    Have a nice day, *****.
    If you are in MA like you profile says, this state DOES send a renewal notice to you by mail, at least 90 days in advance of the expiration. So, unless you moved and didn't notify the RMV of your new address (a violation itself), then you wouldn't get it.

    So it sounds like you got stopped, cited, and your car towed because you were too lazy/stupid/high/drunk/playing video games/surfing porn/hanging out in rest areas/picking your nose, rather than maintaining a properly registered vehicle on the roads of the commonwealth.

    Have a nice day, unregistered motorist.

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