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    New Orleans Now Admits It Seized Firearms From Citizens

    New Orleans Now Admits It Seized Firearms From Citizens
    By Susan Jones
    CNSNews.com Senior Editor
    March 16, 2006

    (CNSNews.com) - A Second Amendment group calls it a "stunning reversal." After denying it for months, the City of New Orleans on Wednesday admitted that it does have a stockpile of firearms seized from private citizens in the days following Hurricane Katrina.

    The city even took lawyers to the place where some 1,000 firearms are being stored.

    "This is a very significant event," said attorney Dan Holliday, who represents National Rifle Association and the Second Amendment Foundation in an on-going lawsuit seeking to stop the city from seizing privately-owned firearms.

    The city's disclosure came as attorneys for both sides prepared for a court hearing on a motion to hold the city in contempt. (On March 1, The Second Amendment Foundation and the National Rifle Association filed a motion to have New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin and Police Superintendent Warren Riley held in contempt of court for refusing to comply with an injunction to stop illegal gun confiscations and return all seized firearms to their rightful owners.)

    "We're almost in disbelief," said Second Amendment Foundation Founder Alan Gottlieb on Wednesday. "For months, the city has maintained it did not have any guns in its possession that had been taken from people following the hurricane. Now our attorneys have seen the proof that New Orleans was less than honest with the court."

    Under an agreement with the court, the hearing on the contempt motion has been delayed for two weeks, and during that time, the city reportedly will set up a process to return the guns to their lawful owners.

    "While we are stunned at this complete reversal on the city's part, the important immediate issue is making sure gun owners get their property back," Gottlieb said.

    "What happened in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina was an outrage," he added. "Equally disturbing is the fact that it apparently took a motion for contempt to force the city to admit what it had been denying for the past five months."

    As Cybercast News Service reported in February, the National Rifle Association used images of law enforcement officers confiscating legally possessed firearms from New Orleans residents to rally conservatives at a recent conference in Washington.

    National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre urged people attending the Conservative Political Action Conference to "Remember New Orleans!"

    Other stories on this issue
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    http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/Archi...20060302c.html

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    New Orleans admits

    Considering what passes for leadership in New Orleans, we shouldn't be surprised. Police Chief Eddie Compass has dropped off the radar, and he was largely responsible for the seizures. I understand legally why current Chief Warren Riley is a defendant in the possible contempt citation, but Compass should be held to account as well. The usual poverty pimps will attempt to make this a racial issue. It isn't. A whole of Black citizens, law abiding ones at that, also had weapons seized as well.

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    Thumbs down

    What about the federal officers and National Guard that were also a part of this blatant abuse of power?
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    Dale Parker.

    Please read up on Marshal Law. The roll of Federal officers vs local. What was going on there post katrina. If you had been anywhere near there you might think alittle different. Yes right to bear arms is an issue.

    It was called a disaster. They had to make decisions with no sleep and the whole world looking on. New Orleans will be the study guide of what can go wrong. Mississippi did not far that well either. Go to the threads on Katrina and PM some of the people that worked it. The media is not the best place to gather information on this subject.

    And yes,I spent 7 weeks working on Katrina

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    I can accept that things go on during disasters that probably shouldn't happen, but it leaves a very bad taste in my mouth when the government doesn't own up to it.

    For that matter, firearm confiscation in any event like this just leaves people defenseless, and while I understand the need to impose order, who knows how many people were harmed because they were disarmed?

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    And why would anyone think that guns would be LESS needed in a situation like this?????

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    New Orleans admits

    There is certainly plenty of blame to go around concerning government operations at all levels during Katrina. The original topic addressed seizures of firearms made by, and currently stored by NOPD. Officers from other agencies certainly participated in the seizures, and I am not blaming them for essentially following orders. I do stand by my original comments concerning leadership, or the lack thereof on the NOPD at the time these seizures took place. While even the best leadership cannot prevent many negative issues in a disaster, these seizures were ill-concieved, were of questionable legality,and did absolutely nothing to prevent the anarchy which took place in New Orleans post Katrina. Simply stated, the gang-bangers, dope dealers, et al, still had their guns, and law abiding citizens, both Black and White were often left totally defensless.

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    "New Orleans was less than honest" No way, really? Say it aint so.

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    Yeah, we know they made a bad move. It just means we need to have more guns.

    Officer: "Do you have a gun?"
    Citizen: "Yes, I have this (shows it to the officer).
    Officer: "We have to take this."
    Citizen: "Okay"

    Officer leaves. Citizen brings out another gun from that good hiding place. It's legal.

    We have to protect ourselves. I work about 25 miles from my house. If there was a problem at the town I live in, my wife has the common sense to move guns around so they wouldn't come up during a cursosy search of the premises. We have enough guns and ammo to allow the misguided local oficials to do their job and still be able to protect ourselves.

    Paranoid? Who knows?

    Able to protect home? Hell, yes!

    When it all shakes out- who is right and who is wrong? I submit that the home owner (that is still alive) was right.
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    Martial law or no martial law -- The fact remains that many of the 'wrong' people were forcibly disarmed by those who were/are sworn to protect them.

    The bureaucrats and their underlings just don't seem to get it. Whether it was the LA Riots, Hurricane Katrina or some other civil unrest, the only citizens who are safe seem to be those who are best able to protect their homes, families and businesses.

    I still smile when I have visions of those Koreans out in California perched atop their businesses with semi-automatic rifles. Their stores were not looted during the riots, huh? They were forced to do what the police either would not or could not do - protect themselves.

    If "gun control" were a valid way to stop or slow criminal activity, Washington DC would be the safest city in America.



    One of the recent issues of America's First Freedom magazine (published by the NRA) had a very good article about New Orleans and the aftermath of Katrina. While it is true that the lawmen in that region were operating under extreme circumstances with little or no rest (and questionable leadership in some cases), much of what happened was simply unexcusable in a supposedly-free country where we are supposed to have a Bill of Rights & limits on governmental power.

    It would truly be heartbreaking to have an officer wearing a NJ, NY, CA or even VA uniform knocking on your Louisiana home's door and taking (by force) your only means of protection. It was sad to know that an elderly woman was 'beaten down' by officers to whom she showed no threat.

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    The rulers of New Orleans, and any of their cronys in uniform that illegaly seized weapons from citizens ought to be tired for TREASON against the United States for violatiing provisions of the U.S. Constitution.

    No doubt, some here will justify seizing weapons. It was ILLEGAL. Not only was it ILLEGAL, it is IMMORAL to remove the only means of protection that many citizens had when the police either refused to do thier jobs or simply couldnt do thier jobs.

    Understanding that many police as well as citizens simply didnt have the means or resources to do their job is one thing. Taking what little recources they had to confinscate guns from law abiding citizens is criminal.

    While one might argue that it was a nessecary thing, one would also have to wonder why the other hard hit areas in Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama did not see fit to sieze weapons and did not have the shooting and looting incidents that we saw in New Orleans.

    Now the "city" of New Orleans is admitting that it did wrong.

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    I'm sure that not ALL the seized weapons can be located and returned to their rightful owner. How is New Orleans going to deal with the missing firearms? Couldn't the individual citizens take them to civil court and be compensated for their loss of property. I'm sure that would cost the city some money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitromt
    I'm sure that not ALL the seized weapons can be located and returned to their rightful owner. How is New Orleans going to deal with the missing firearms? Couldn't the individual citizens take them to civil court and be compensated for their loss of property. I'm sure that would cost the city some money.
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    My favorite story is about the NJ cop who took the bullets out of a pistol that was being carried by a New Orleans tow-trucker that was HIRED by the city to tow abandoned *EDIT* vehicles. After being bitched at by the rightfully angry citizen, the cop quoted some bull**** NJ law. (Yes, NJ gun law is BULL***).

    I like it when people enforce out of state laws...

    One of NJ's finest then turned around and arrested a poor old man from Nevada, who is being helped by the NRA in a $3mil lawsuite against NJPD and NJ airport security.

    http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3588120

    Whimsical.

    The scary thing about this New Orleans deal, looking at it in a much broader picture, is that this might be the point where the government turned its back on the people, and cops should have been getting shot. Right?

    Isn't this when someone should have acted. When would a greater time for oppressive takeover be, then when society is ravaged and in need?

    It seems like there was a glitch in the matrix...

    If we try to analize this in the nitty-gritty 2nd amendment light, isn't this that point? When the government starts illegally seizing guns?

    Either way, shouldn't somebody have done something? Why even have a second amendment if the government can do something like this and citizens wait around untill after, hoping something will work out diplomatically???

    It doesn't matter whether you think guns are for citizens and everybody has the right, or they're just for militias to prevent this type of thing...

    It seems like there was an enormous second amendment failure here!

    I always thought that the scanerio was to play out as 1-cops start doing something illegal and oppressive collectively, and 2-citrizens stop it.

    I guess not...

    Wow, this is alot to ponder.
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    The scary thing about this New Orleans deal ...

    ... was that so many forgot they took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States as well as the laws of thier respective jurisdictions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fett Tracking
    My favorite story is about the NJ cop who took the bullets out of a pistol that was being carried by a New Orleans tow-trucker that was HIRED by the city to tow abandoned officials. After being bitched at by the rightfully angry citizen, the cop quoted some bull**** NJ law. (Yes, NJ gun law is BULL***).
    Wouldn't it have been a real shi+ situation to have caught the wrong person on the wrong day, who has just gotten through last night without sleep because he just got through a running gunfight with punks intent on kidnapping his wife/kids only to survive and encounter that NJ cop?

    That would have been a wonderful situation for everyone involved

    Did anyone bother to tell that guy Oh, by the way...they do some things differently down their...and you are likely to see a lot of guns...don't be alarmed...lots of people have them legaly in those parts...

    Not informing people of some minor cultural differences...like above...can set things up for a BAD situation.

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    [QUOTE=mainedawg]Please read up on Marshal Law. The roll of Federal officers vs local. What was going on there post katrina. If you had been anywhere near there you might think alittle different. Yes right to bear arms is an issue.

    After an extended period of my life spent in La. law enforcement I am somewhat familiar with the free state of New Orleans. We used to assist NOPD every Mardi Gras, so I know that NOPD is ridden with corruption. Not to say all the officers are bad because I know personally a few of them. New Orleans is a big cesspool that attracts maggots from everywhere in the US.

    As to Martial Law I don't recall anyone ever declaring it. That allows the military to take over the functions of LE. In this case the military only played a supporting role. The declaration by the mayor was clearly unconstitutional as pertains to disarming the law abiding citizens. To go a little further it exceeds his authority under the Constitution of the state of Louisiana.

    I was not there because I retired a few years ago. The SO that I worked for sent 30 deputies there and finally pulled them out and sent them to Lake Charles because of the confusion.
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    [QUOTE=mainedawg]Please read up on Marshal Law. The roll of Federal offiHurricane Katrina
    Contrary to many media reports at the time, martial law was not declared in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, because no such term exists in Louisiana state law. However, a state of emergency was declared, which does give unique powers to the state government similar to those of martial law. On the evening of August 31, 2005, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin nominally declared "martial law" and said that "officers don't have to worry about civil rights and Miranda rights in stopping the looters."
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    Dale Parker

    I read your return post to me on Martial Law last night . Being a person that deals in facts not emotions I contacted Ft Bragg on the issue and waited for an answer that was fact.

    At 07:01:06 this AM, I recieved my reply back. Martial Law was definitley declared down there. The military was in a supporting roll.They did not have the lead.They fell under Homeland Security.Some with FEMA.

    One more time PLease READ up on Martial Law.
    Talk with real people that were there and were with the military people.

    This was a real disaster.That is why they call it a disaster.

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    If I'd have been there...

    I would conveniently not have "seen" any weapons in the hands of law abiding citizens... now the thugs and crooks... that would be a different story.
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    Those cops should of made sure that the good folks had plenty of bullets and make sure they knew how to shoot looters and give them some toe tags so we could mark the looters for identification.

    We had some big fires in our area a couple of years ago, alot of folks had to evacuate the area with just a few personal belongings,a few took a pistol with them for self protection as they were living in tents in parks etc.

    One of our younger cops who didn't know what discreation and spirit of the law meant at the time,arrested one of the evacuees for having a loaded firearm in his possession, we chewed the rookies butt out and had the DA dismiss the charges in the interest of justice.

    Don't know about all of you,but I'm not pinching and good citizen who is armed trying to take care of themselves in time of disaster or any other situation, especially if we cannot be there for them. Never have and never will.

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