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    Caught speeding, was not going as fast as cop said.

    I am 17 years old, in the state of georgia, i was coming home on december 30th (i should have known to be especially careful) but it was late and my parents are extremely strict on curfew, so i was driving about 10-15 over the speed limit. I saw a police officer on the side of the road clocking people, and when i saw him, i immediately checked my speed, and i was going 53 in a 40 so i was thinking that I may get off, but about 2 minutes later a car comes racing up behind me with no lights on or anything, so i thought someone was just driving way too fast, so i pulled into the right lane to let him drive by and he started following me and about a minute later he turned on his lights and pulled me over. The officer told me that I had been going 66 in a 40. I dont believe this is true, but I am in no position to argue with a police officer, so i took the ticket. He was using radar, I have heard that there are many radar guns which may not be used in court, is this true? Are there any other things that i can do to help to keep from getting a $230 fine when i go to court on march 1st or to keep from getting my license suspended? any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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    Wow I thought at first Spee Dee was asking another speeding ticket question.
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    If you're innocent, contest it. If you're guilty, pay it.

    If you think you were going slower (and that's a smaller fine), contest it and admit to how fast you were going. "I was going 53, but I wasn't going 60.""

    Every radar gun used on the street can be used in court. They get calibrated regularly.

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    A few factors can cause your speedometer to be incorrect:

    Mainly:
    Do you have wheels/rims other than factory size on the vehicle?
    Also, our cars have calibrated speedometers, most cars are +/- 5mph or so of being actual.

    Also, by the time you saw him, he may have been tracking your speed for a while - it's possible you were going faster before you even saw him.

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    Pay the ticket and don't speed.
    Regardless of how fast you were speeding and at 17 way to young to be breaking any traffic laws.
    Or pay an attorney $1,000 to get you out of ticket and still have a fine to pay on top of attorney fees.

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    As I've said on MANY other posts, whether 13 over the posted limit or 20+ over, you are still guilty according to state law of speeding.

    If it will make a difference in the fine amount, then go to court and say that you were going 53 in a 40. Apologize, beg the court's forgiveness, and ask for a smaller fine. Then, whatever they give you, say "thank you sir/maam."

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    We see you before you see us usually. I always get that "when I saw your car I looked down and I was only going blah blah blah..."
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    Well the only thing I can see argueing about is if the issue was you were going less than 9mph over in which case it does not affect your insurance in North Carolina. However, since you were going over that, your just bumped.

    - You could do a request for information *I THINK* and get the service records for the radar gun, sometimes they are not calibrated as often as they are supposed to be. If the regularly scheduled maintainence is not followed, and it gave a false reading then you might have something there.

    - http://www.discountpartcenter.com/tirecalc.html Can help you see if your speedo is off due to rims / tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aavixtech
    Do you have wheels/rims other than factory size on the vehicle?


    no i dont but i was accelerating from going around a turn when i saw him, there is no way i could do 66 and make it out alive around the turn i was doing.
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    Caught speeding.

    It's highly unlikely a police agency is going to use a radar that won't stand up in court. The decision to fight or pay the citation is yours. Keep in mind, all the prosecution has to do is prove to the satisfaction of the court that you were exceeding the speed limit by 1 mph. Technical, but true.

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    thanks for all the help, one more thing, traffic violations do not mess up my background check for becoming a police officer correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousstudent
    thanks for all the help, one more thing, traffic violations do not mess up my background check for becoming a police officer correct?
    One ticket won't disqualify you, but all tickets count against you.

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    Just a quick question to go along with the post, would having a speedometer that is unproperly calibrated be a valid argument? this is assuming that you had absolutly no knowlege of the problem, and also given that there is no way that it could be so far off as to appear to be 40, but actualy going 70 and the driver not notice. but say you are ticketed for going 10 over, when your speedo read 5 over. I guess the overall question is, would the court extend any mercy to the driver, since he "truely" didnt know he was traveling at ten over the limit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrlandoExp103
    Just a quick question to go along with the post, would having a speedometer that is unproperly calibrated be a valid argument? this is assuming that you had absolutly no knowlege of the problem, and also given that there is no way that it could be so far off as to appear to be 40, but actualy going 70 and the driver not notice. but say you are ticketed for going 10 over, when your speedo read 5 over. I guess the overall question is, would the court extend any mercy to the driver, since he "truely" didnt know he was traveling at ten over the limit.
    No, it's not a valid excuse. Most states don't even require you to have a speedometer, but they do require you to obey the speed limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakflak
    No, it's not a valid excuse. Most states don't even require you to have a speedometer, but they do require you to obey the speed limit.
    Thanks, just something that ive been wondering. Now i have another tool to counteract arguments when we do traffic stop scenarios.

    Btw, for the states that do require, would that be a place to give a "fix-it-ticket," or equivolent? Anyone know specifialy for Florida?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrlandoExp103
    I guess the overall question is, would the court extend any mercy to the driver, since he "truely" didnt know he was traveling at ten over the limit.
    The court will likely show 'mercy' to the driver if he goes there and is polite, and doesn't outright call the cop a liar. If he tells them what he was speedo read, and askes them to allow him to take care of that ticket he will likely get the lower violation.

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    No matter what you say, you don't know, unless you had a radar detector in which case tuff luck, when or where he clocked you at and how fast you were going at that particular moment. Could the officer have been wrong? Yes he could, but if he is a honest cop he wrote you because he was 100% sure he was right, in which case you were right not to argue because it wouldn't have done any good. Go to court, say nice things about the officer, don't say you weren't going as fast as the officer said, say you really thought you were going whatever it was and be sincere but not arguementative. Going into court and telling the judge the officer was wrong ain't gonna work. Ask the judge if there is any way you can keep the ticket off your record and just pay the thing. Just remember how many times you really deserved a ticket and didn't get one and chalk it up to experience.

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    If the officer writes the ticket after the citizen informed him that his speedometer wasnt properly calibrated and the charge is later dropped because of that, does it look bad for the officer since his speeding ticket that he wrote was outright dropped?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrlandoExp103
    If the officer writes the ticket after the citizen informed him that his speedometer wasnt properly calibrated and the charge is later dropped because of that, does it look bad for the officer since his speeding ticket that he wrote was outright dropped?
    Please read the above responses. It won't get dropped because the speedometer was wrong.

    But to answer your question, no, it doesn't 'look bad' for officers to lose tickets. If I win in court, I get my paycheck. If I lose, I get my paycheck. We don't get a commission on these .

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousstudent
    I have heard that there are many radar guns which may not be used in court, is this true?
    You heard wrong. No worries, peer stories tend to be a little lax on actual facts, but plenty of assumptions on their part.

    Radar is going to be allowed in court but, That will not be the only thing your ticket will hang on.
    More likely will be the officers testimony to the effect that " I observed the vehicle in excess of the posted speed limits, I confirmed this with a radar reading of XX mph. "

    Quote Originally Posted by curiousstudent
    Are there any other things that i can do to help to keep from getting a $230 fine when i go to court on march 1st or to keep from getting my license suspended? any advice would be greatly appreciated.
    If this is a first time offense, You can plead guilty to the charge and ask for traffic school. That way, You keep it off your license and your insurance rates don't go up. ( or your parents, if your on theirs ) Do check on this as there are different requirements from state to state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousstudent
    I am 17 years old, in the state of georgia, i was coming home on december 30th (i should have known to be especially careful) but it was late and my parents are extremely strict on curfew, so i was driving about 10-15 over the speed limit. I saw a police officer on the side of the road clocking people, and when i saw him, i immediately checked my speed, and i was going 53 in a 40 so i was thinking that I may get off, but about 2 minutes later a car comes racing up behind me with no lights on or anything, so i thought someone was just driving way too fast, so i pulled into the right lane to let him drive by and he started following me and about a minute later he turned on his lights and pulled me over. The officer told me that I had been going 66 in a 40. I dont believe this is true, but I am in no position to argue with a police officer, so i took the ticket. He was using radar, I have heard that there are many radar guns which may not be used in court, is this true? Are there any other things that i can do to help to keep from getting a $230 fine when i go to court on march 1st or to keep from getting my license suspended? any advice would be greatly appreciated.
    Unless you have a crap load of citations already, this minor one will not get your license suspended. Chill out, go to court with it and go from there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrlandoExp103
    Just a quick question to go along with the post, would having a speedometer that is unproperly calibrated be a valid argument? this is assuming that you had absolutly no knowlege of the problem, and also given that there is no way that it could be so far off as to appear to be 40, but actualy going 70 and the driver not notice. but say you are ticketed for going 10 over, when your speedo read 5 over. I guess the overall question is, would the court extend any mercy to the driver, since he "truely" didnt know he was traveling at ten over the limit.
    Speeding is a strict liability offense. It doesn't matter whether you knew you were speeding or whether you meant to speed. You were speedng and that's all that the state has to prove.
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