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    Heather Fong

    Anyone know if she's a good chief or just the mayor and the gay rights crowd's mouthpiece? Sounds like she over reacted big time on the video matter.
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    She seems to be a joke.

    That's all I can say about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by padsrule33
    My AJ teacher was her partner back in the day, and he loved her
    Is your AJ teacher's name Tom?

    I've known her since she was a patrolman walking the footbeat years ago. She's worked her way to the top. She inherited the mess after "fajita gate".
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    That last 'lil comic relief video outta SFPD will test her discipline skills I'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deputy x 2
    Is your AJ teacher's name Tom?

    I've known her since she was a patrolman walking the footbeat years ago. She's worked her way to the top. She inherited the mess after "fajita gate".


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    Sure do! Well, I reckon it's Mexican food for lunch! Thanks PG! So many decisions today! LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cimcop1
    Sure do! Well, I reckon it's Mexican food for lunch! Thanks PG! So many decisions today! LOL!

    Hey what can I say... I am hungry...lol
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    Except for "TV star" Bratton, their are no longer any Chiefs in CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Conner
    She seems to be a joke.

    That's all I can say about it.
    Well you've said a mouthful! All these so-called Chiefs are little more than "puppets" nowadays!!!The idea behind placing Chiefs of Police into a civil service protected class was to allow them to be strong ,individually minded people,who can make hard decisions.Not anymore- being a Chief is a scape goats position and from talking to many different coppers, their bosses are a mixed bag of "stand up guys" to spineless"yes men".Chief Helen Fong had better think carefully about how she treats the officers in this matter; she NEEDS their support more than the so-called community,who could care less if she or anyone else is Chief (she could be replaced in a day and NO one would care in S.F.- but if the coppers aren't out on the streets or there is a "work slow down"-PEOPLE will care) Also, lest she and that "questionable" mayor want their own dirty laundry aired out in public, Fong had better watch out on the issue of violating the POBR.

    There was a former Chief down here in So.Calif who ran Inglewood PD into the "Ground" on discipline issues-until a few shotgun Blasts hit his house "mysteriously" and officers had a "vote of no confidence" in him - Even Former LAPD Chief Bernard Parks made the mistake of playing to the "mob"( i.e. "concerned citizens",political activists, fringe cop haters) and all it did was get him removed from the Chiefs position when it was found that crime started going up and officers stopped being aggressive in dealing with criminals. discipline when its needed ? "yes"- excessive force, lying,theft- okay with me as no copper should engage in things he/she would arrest a normal citizen for. but punishment for being critical of the Dept,city or just making crude jokes? Damn , but isn't the 1st amendment supposed to cover all Americans,even Cops? If Fong did work her way up from the "Beat" then she should remember how tough it can be,or maybe thats just it- she didn't like being in the "dirt" with the everyday "slob" in a uniform, and decided that promoting was the way to be "important".Most admin "drones" seem to sell their souls to mgm't just to get out of a uniform, and they tend to care less about what the common worker must endure( now that they have cushy office jobs,weekends and holidays off, and don't have to roll up ****y drunks at 2am ,or aids infected durggies on parole)...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOAcop38
    Most admin "drones" seem to sell their souls to mgm't just to get out of a uniform, and they tend to care less about what the common worker must endure( now that they have cushy office jobs,weekends and holidays off, and don't have to roll up ****y drunks at 2am ,or aids infected durggies on parole)...........
    Howdy DOAcop38- long time no hear!

    Isn't that the definition of administration and management? Admin is admin where ever you go. I seriously doubt that "it is greener somewhere else."

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    When I first came in she was a LT. She's very by the book, unlike the last two chiefs who didn't last long (Fegan and Sanders).

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    The whole fiasco was a disgrace, the Chief is supposed to be working WITH the cops not against them and discipline should always be internal.

    This had nothing to do with cleanign up the SFPD or discipline it was purely a PR stunt to show how 'up-front' and 'tough' the Xhief and Mayer are.

    Unfortunately for them it backfired as the majority didnt give a **** and saw the funny side while thinking the Chief and Mayor were being paid a lot of money for such small problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18C3V
    When I first came in she was a LT. She's very by the book, unlike the last two chiefs who didn't last long (Fegan and Sanders).
    Ah...that would be "fajita gate".

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    Quote Originally Posted by deputy x 2
    Howdy DOAcop38- long time no hear!

    Isn't that the definition of administration and management? Admin is admin where ever you go. I seriously doubt that "it is greener somewhere else."

    I WANT to keep my spine. ...no promotions for me!!

    Happy holidays ,DepX2- No, you can promote and find that median- Depts need people who will do the right thing for the "public good", but also support ,protect ,and lead the staff they are entrusted with.Like where I work, too many mediocre officers want to promote to "get out of the cold"
    but they don't have what it takes to be "true" leaders, and tend to be incompentent, petty tyrants when it comes to directing and disciplining the rank and file( you should see their sorry asses when they attempt to "micro manage" and don't know what they are talking about- had one " 2 yr wonder" yell at officers for NOT announcing their "presence" on a residential burlgary in progress- officers found the suspect in the victims house laying the victims guns on an adjacent bed- imagine what would have happened if he KNEW they were coming and loaded the shotgun or the bolt action .300win. mag rifle!).Guess Chief Fong and many other "so called" leaders forgot the time honored addage , " punish in private, praise in public"........

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    Heather Fong

    Really don't much about Heather Fong, but I go back to the Joseph Wambaugh caution about not trusting anyone above the rank of Sergeant. The sad fact is, all too many "chiefs" nowadays owe their positions to a mayor or some political faction. The last thing they're going to do is stand up for an Officer doing his/her job. To hold on to their positions, they'll pander to the entitlement crowd, the poverty pimps, and anti-cop activists. That's not all of them, and may not be Chief Fong, but it's a whole lot of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipCal
    ... but I go back to the Joseph Wambaugh caution about not trusting anyone above the rank of Sergeant.

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    Gee guys, listening to this talk about "brass" sounds a lot like some of the public generalizing with their talk about "cops". Not good to throw everyone in the same basket...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18C3V
    When I first came in she was a LT. She's very by the book, unlike the last two chiefs who didn't last long (Fegan and Sanders).
    I want to make a stereotype and that's that it seems asians tend to be "by the book" people a lot of the time. Obviously not true in every case, but I'm working for an asian manager at starbucks and she's SOOOOO "by the book."

    Just from what it seems like to me, they are very hard working people who follow guidlines and a set way. Not bad or great overall, but can be both at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conner
    I want to make a stereotype and that's that it seems asians tend to be "by the book" people a lot of the time. Obviously not true in every case, but I'm working for an asian manager at starbucks and she's SOOOOO "by the book."

    Just from what it seems like to me, they are very hard working people who follow guidlines and a set way. Not bad or great overall, but can be both at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOAcop38
    but punishment for being critical of the Dept,city or just making crude jokes? Damn , but isn't the 1st amendment supposed to cover all Americans,even Cops? ..........
    The 1st Amendment DOES NOT cover cops in all cases.....remember this one?? http://www.lineofduty.com/blottersto...?StoryID=70538
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    Quote Originally Posted by towncop
    The 1st Amendment DOES NOT cover cops in all cases.....remember this one?? http://www.lineofduty.com/blottersto...?StoryID=70538
    The SFPD case is far from the case you cite. The SDPD case cited is clearly misconduct. Lets just say that in her career, Chief Fong worked maybe more than her fair share of "staff positions" vs performing real field police work, which seems to have clouded her lack of understanding on the issue. It's either that or she is a puppet for the mayor. Take your choice. Santa needs to bring her & the mayor a sense of humor for Christmas.

    San Francisco Officers Reinstated in Video Flap
    Police Chief Lifts Suspensions -- Disciplinary Action Still Possible
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    All 24 San Francisco police officers suspended for their roles in a video production that city leaders called highly offensive have been reinstated, including the officer who produced the skits, officials said Thursday.

    Although the officers have returned to work, they still could face disciplinary action for the video scandal, said Police Chief Heather Fong.

    "It will be premature to speculate on what will happen," Fong said. "There is an active administrative investigation that continues in spite of the officers being returned to duty."

    Fong, who along with Mayor Gavin Newsom announced the suspensions at a news conference Dec. 7, said then that the videos represented "egregious, shameful and despicable acts" by her officers.

    "This is a dark day -- an extremely dark day -- in the history of the San Francisco Police Department," Fong said at the time.

    On Thursday, Fong held a much more subdued news conference to say the suspensions had been lifted but that the investigation continues. Newsom did not attend the news conference and could not be reached for comment.

    "This is a serious matter that came to the department's attention,'' she said of the case.

    All 24 officers were returned to duty after they attended hearings this week in which they individually met with department brass. Under department rules, officers have a right to a back-to-work hearing within five days of suspension. The chief then decides whether to allow the officer back to work.

    Fong did not explain why the officers, who had been suspended without pay, were returned to work pending the investigation.

    Officer Andrew Cohen said he created the videos as a send-off for former Bayview Capt. Rick Bruce and had hoped to show them at the station's Christmas party. But when the station's captain, Al Pardini, said the videos were not suitable for the party, Cohen posted some of them on his own Web site.

    Newsom and Fong denounced the video as racist, sexist and homophobic and showed them to the media during their news conference last week.

    Among the skits on the video was a police officer who appears to run over a homeless woman. Authorities say the images not made public include an African American officer wearing a dog collar and eating out of a dog bowl.

    Bruce, who has been on leave since August and is expected to retire in March, was shown in one of the segments based on footage shot while he was a commander. He was not among the officers suspended.

    Cohen and his attorneys say the police chief and the mayor have overreacted.

    Of the 24 officers who have been reinstated, 16 were cleared to return to work Thursday and eight were cleared for work Tuesday.

    Of the 16 officers who were cleared to work Thursday, eight will report to "field duties," said Fong, who declined to elaborate on the nature or location of those assignments. The other eight -- including videographer Cohen -- were assigned to positions where they won't have contact with the public, the officers' attorneys said.

    In an interview Thursday, Cohen, 39, of Berkeley said he will soon report to the records room at the Hall of Justice. Cohen said he hopes to "take what has happened and make something good of it."

    "To the degree that my video work did the opposite, I apologize," said Cohen, a 10-year veteran. "However, going forward I am dedicating my career to improving the relationships between the police officers and the community."

    Cohen said his records-room assignment "can be construed as punitive, I think, but it's not that big a deal. It's just hard if you want to get back out there and help. The Bayview community needs us back there."

    Harry Stern, a Pleasant Hill attorney representing Cohen, said, "This doesn't mean he's through the woods yet. It's certainly the first step, and he's very happy about that."

    Cohen's fiancee, Officer Wendy Hurley, one of three female officers shown on a video licking their lips suggestively in a "Charlie's Angels" parody, was among the reinstated officers. The two other officers in that skit declined comment Thursday as they rode up an elevator at the Hall of Justice.

    Also back to work was Officer Bryan Lujan, a nine-year veteran who appeared in a skit in which, according to city leaders, he treated a woman, whom he had supposedly stopped for a traffic violation, as a sex object. Cohen said the video was meant to poke fun at Lujan for his reputation for narcissism.




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    Last week, a series of amateur videos made by officers of the San Francisco Police Department made it into the public arena. The official reaction was one of outrage. Officers were depicted ignoring calls in favor of reading magazines, doing Tai Chi routines, and visiting massage parlors. Entire squads of plainclothes officers scrambled to arrest an individual holding a microscopic chunk of crack. An area commander drooled over some Charlie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Callahan
    The SFPD case is far from the case you cite. The SDPD case cited is clearly misconduct. Lets just say that in her career, Chief Fong worked maybe more than her fair share of "staff positions" vs performing real field police work, which seems to have clouded her lack of understanding on the issue. It's either that or she is a puppet for the mayor. Take your choice. Santa needs to bring her & the mayor a sense of humor for Christmas.
    Well, I disagree with you. This case is not far from the San Diego case. Yes, one involves an officer making a porn tape, but read what the Supreme Court has said...."The 1st Amendment's free speech protection does not shield public employees whose personal expressions and off-duty actions offend their employes," the Supreme Court said Monday in upholding the firing of a San Diego police officer who sold sexually explicit videos of himself over the Internet.

    In a 9-0 decision, the justices overturned the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, which had said a public employee's "off-duty, non-work-related speech" usually could not be the basis for punishing him.

    The government "may impose certain restraints on the speech of its employees
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    [QUOTE=towncop]Well, I disagree with you. This case is not far from the San Diego case. Yes, one involves an officer making a porn tape, but read what the Supreme Court has said...."The 1st Amendment's free speech protection does not shield public employees whose personal expressions and off-duty actions offend their employes," the Supreme Court said Monday in upholding the firing of a San Diego police officer who sold sexually explicit videos of himself over the Internet.

    In a 9-0 decision, the justices overturned the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, which had said a public employee's "off-duty, non-work-related speech" usually could not be the basis for punishing him.

    The government "may impose certain restraints on the speech of its employees
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    Are we going to go round and round?? Jesus Christ. I understand that the circumstances of the case are different. However, read the damn statement from the Court, "the government may impose certain restraints on the speech of its employees...that would be unconstitutional if applied to the general public." It even talks about an employees personal expressions offending the employer. If they don't like it, tough luck, you can't say freedom of speech. And I didn't even mention insubordination. If they're in uniform and the city doesn't like what they have done in that uniform, then yes, that's misconduct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by towncop
    Are we going to go round and round?? Jesus Christ. I understand that the circumstances of the case are different. However, read the damn statement from the Court, "the government may impose certain restraints on the speech of its employees...that would be unconstitutional if applied to the general public." It even talks about an employees personal expressions offending the employer. If they don't like it, tough luck, you can't say freedom of speech. And I didn't even mention insubordination. If they're in uniform and the city doesn't like what they have done in that uniform, then yes, that's misconduct.
    We can go round & round if you want.... First of all, it was the city who released the tapes to the public, not the officers. The tape was meant to be private & never intended for the public. As far as misconduct, what do you base that on? Keep in mind the burden of proof is in SFPD.
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