04-22-2005, 01:03 PM #1
Public perception: Police vs. Fire
I have an interesting experience. And maybe I am just reading into the situation a little too much. Here it is: I'm at the first day of class and the professor wants everybody to say why they're taking the class and what job/profession they are working towards. My turn comes and I say I want to go into law enforcement. Professor: No comment.
The next student say he wants to be a firefighter.
Professor: Oh! good. We need all of those we can get.
What! I am not discounting firefighters, but maybe just a little acknowledgment for the Police. This probably was not an intentional exclusion by the professor; I happen to know he is a Army special ops vet. That is why I think that people in general have a subcontious disregard for law inforcement.
Do you guys have any thoughts on this? If not that's okay.
04-22-2005, 01:06 PM #2
No, more like people have a subconscious disregard for law enforcement because when you're a kid and the cops keep coming to your house to arrest daddy after he beats up mommy it leaves a lasting impression. Firefighters only show up to help you, and they don't/can't arrest anybody.If it wasn't for STUPID PEOPLE I'd be unemployed.
04-22-2005, 01:09 PM #3
Everybody loves the damn fireman!
I don't think that we will ever be able to gain as much love from the public as the firemen do. Think about it... A fireman only has contact with someone to help them, ie... put out the fire that is destroying their home, give first aid, etc.
Police on the other hand, well we arrest Dad after he whoops on Mom, we give tickets, we make death notifications etc... the list goes on and on. People don't share the high points in the life with us, only the lowest.
And another thing... who is always first in a parade? Thats right, the big red $250K fire trucks. What does the police get to do during the parade? Hold up traffic which makes little billy late for soccer practice.
04-22-2005, 01:12 PM #4Originally Posted by JHoekIf it wasn't for STUPID PEOPLE I'd be unemployed.
04-22-2005, 01:12 PM #5
What do Cops and Firefighters have in common? A:They both want to be firefighters
That is a joke that you hear in Phx.
Fire/EMS is always more popular because when is the last time you saw a firefighter arrest someone (I am not counting arson investagators who are sworn, because who can protest an arson arrest?)?
Like was already mentioned, no one likes PD until the **** hits the fan and they need help. In Phx, there is a good realtionship between the two, and several firefighters are married to cops, and that never hurts...
04-22-2005, 01:26 PM #6
I would really love to be a fireman so that I could drive the big red truck. But then I get to thinking...
That fire seems pretty hot
that old lady with a GI bleed is pretty nasty.
If I didn't have to go to fires or medicals, sign me up!!
04-22-2005, 01:50 PM #7
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Get into volunteer firefighting. I have been a cop since 99 and a vol. firefighter since 97. The best of both worlds.
04-22-2005, 02:04 PM #8
PD is a better gig then Fire
Okay, I am sure that several of you have had the sheer joy of getting turned out and throwing your pack to fight an offensive fire in the summer, but that pretty much sucks.. I thought long and hard about the career choice, and I want LE because it is a better gig. Here in Phx, 80% of calls are EMS calls, so you rarely get fires. That statistic is pretty common for big cities.
Also, you don't use your noodle too much unless you have your patch and you get to play with the ALS toys. Another aspect is that it takes years off your life going from a dead sleep to being woken up like that. I am a big fan of uninterrupted sleep, so I am way out.
Both are great careers, just depends on what you like. Oh yah, fire also rarely has to worry about what side of town they are on. Everyone loves fire.
04-22-2005, 02:06 PM #9
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Yeah, I have a high regard for firemen and the danger they face when fighting an ACTUAL FIRE, not a car accident or minor thing that we law enforcement personnel handle BUT when was the last time someone dimed out a fireman after a house fire or checked his 'boots' on the way out of the fire $$$. SOrry I had to say that.
If ya want to be popular be a fireman if ya wanna do good and really help people and take the scuzzbags off the street, be a cop...
Still the Greatest job in the world...I got nothing for now
04-22-2005, 02:19 PM #10
Why don't firemen look out of the window in the morning?
Because they need something to do in the afternoon.Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
04-22-2005, 02:45 PM #11
Originally Posted by WashingtonianI got nothing for now
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04-22-2005, 04:53 PM #12
The reasons I think are this
1. Police can lock up family, friends, wrong doers.
2. Fireman save people from fires.
The general perception of the public see Police Officers as people who can lock up and hurt people. They see fireman as life saves. How often do you see in the paper a fireman locking up someone (obviously the person he is locking up has a family) and/or he has injuries. How often do you see fireman in the paper portrayed as heroes vs the Police Officer. Fireman can do no wrong, where as the Police do seldom right.live everyday as if it your last...because one day it will be
04-22-2005, 07:02 PM #13
Oh well. At least I don't want to go into law enforcement to be popular. I've always felt anyway, and this is kind of odd, that you can tell when you're doing something right based on the level of opposition to it.
04-23-2005, 12:12 AM #14
They're both jobs worthy of a lot of respect. But I think a police officer job is much more difficult, and has a LOT more burnout. We just deal with exponentially more BS, and everybody loves the firefighters. Not that their job is all glory either, the majority of their calls are aid calls to help somebody that is too "large" to lift themselves off of the toilet, or something like that... There are a few towns out there that have public safety officers cross-trained in police/fire/ems. I think that would be a lot of fun.Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
04-23-2005, 12:55 AM #15
This may sound like an odd notion but think it through... people hold firefighters in higher regard than law enforcement because of the media and Hollywood.
When was the last time you saw local media slamming the smoke-eaters? Nope, they're always coming to the rescue, saving foundations and washing away evidence with high pressure hoses. You see, it's good and sensational to have heroic firefighters. Hollywood agrees... Have you ever seen a firefighter on the big screen playing the villian? Not likely!!
Cops, however, are often portrayed by the media in a negative light. How many movies have you seen where the cop ended up being dirty or violent or ????
Now, why is this? Well, media have a love/hate relationship with police because we don't always give them ready access to everything we know. We know the reasons why (and so do they) but that doesn't help.
Smoke-eaters, however, will always cooperate with media and give them whatever they want. There are no issues of privacy or integrity of investigations for firefighters.
Why does Hollywood hate cops? Take a look at Hollywood and how messed up they are... should we be surprised they don't like law enforcement?
04-23-2005, 02:51 AM #16Originally Posted by wmacIf it wasn't for STUPID PEOPLE I'd be unemployed.
04-23-2005, 02:54 AM #17Originally Posted by WashingtonianIf it wasn't for STUPID PEOPLE I'd be unemployed.
04-23-2005, 03:08 AM #18Originally Posted by SWATcop
That would never happen in real life though, firemen care!
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04-23-2005, 03:58 AM #19Originally Posted by That GuyIf it wasn't for STUPID PEOPLE I'd be unemployed.
04-23-2005, 04:25 AM #20
I think TG was being sarcastic. But you're absolutely right, SWAT. There are a LOT of instances where volunteer (usually) firefighters will set fires so that they can go play fireman and put them out. Plus, if you were a pyro, what profession would be most attractive to you?Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
04-23-2005, 09:58 AM #21When was the last time you saw local media slamming the smoke-eaters?That's right, bring me my royal coffee!
04-23-2005, 10:07 AM #22Originally Posted by SWATcop
The FD in my city goes to every single call where there is a hint of something medical going on, because they literally have nothing else to do. And, once they're dispatched, there is nothing on heaven or earth that will stop them. Even if a call like an MVA is totally unfounded, the FD traveling circus will still charge through rush hour, full speed. I've lost count of how many crashes they've either caused or been involved in, while racing to a call where they're not needed.Talk sense to a fool, and he will call you foolish - Euripides
04-23-2005, 10:15 AM #23I've lost count of how many crashes they've either caused or been involved in, while racing to a call where they're not needed.That's right, bring me my royal coffee!
04-23-2005, 10:39 AM #24
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My FTO was from Long Beach, California home of Jesse James.
He was telling me about the police and firefighters were in collective bargaining against each other. The firefighters put up a billboard that said "We fight fires not people". There was a picture of a firefighter saving a child.
My second ride along was with Denver PD. He didn't like firefighters because he was in a violent fight for his life and the firefighters on scene were extremely slow in helping him.
I judge firefighters and everyone else on an individual basis.
04-23-2005, 10:48 AM #25Originally Posted by Java King
Not to mention, a 100,000+lb fire truck causes a LOT more damage than a 4000lb Crown Vic when it plows into a civilian vehicle. The last FD vs. civilian accident I had, a Mercury Mountaineer (who had the green light according to a dozen or so witnesses) actually went airborne after getting creamed by a fire engine, and went through the plate-glass window of a Firestone dealership, missing the crowded waiting room by about 25 feet. I still don't know how everyone survived....had there been a passenger in the Mercury, we would have needed a spatula to pick up the pieces.
Last edited by Delta784; 04-23-2005 at 11:48 PM.Talk sense to a fool, and he will call you foolish - Euripides