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    Systema MA?

    Was watching this vid on Systema. I don't know much about it but it looks interesting. I have no doubt someone with an extensive background in this MA would kick my butt, but I'm left wondering just how real world applicable some of it is, especially the knife/empty hands work in the beginning of this vid is:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06ATLOmmxwU

    My understanding is most knife disarm MA against a committed attacker is a quick way to get yourself killed, but i'm no expert on the topic. I'm thinking it's gonna look more like:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szLlz...layer_embedded

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    No doubt, go up against a knife, you will get cut.
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    I have read LOTS of info/testimonials about how bad (unrealistic for street or even sport fighting applications) Systema is over at bullshido.com
    Now, I have my issues with that website, but a few who trained in Systema posted some weird (hocus pocus) and almost all negative stuff about the art and some outright flamed it as being terrible.

    Just watched the first video posted and I 110% believe that guy would get stabbed to death by any real, committed knife attack.
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    As a current practitioner of a blade fighting martial art, Pikiti Tersia Kali, I'm not a fan of those knife avoidance moves. That's a quick way to catch a blade in a very bad area. One has to work on intercepting the blade wielding arm , not dancing around it trying to look pretty and NEVER take your eyes off that blade. Every blade fighting expert will tell you that once you start going up against knives, you're gonna get cut. The question is where and how bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usmc_0352 View Post
    As a current practitioner of a blade fighting martial art, Pikiti Tersia Kali, I'm not a fan of those knife avoidance moves. That's a quick way to catch a blade in a very bad area. One has to work on intercepting the blade wielding arm , not dancing around it trying to look pretty and NEVER take your eyes off that blade. Every blade fighting expert will tell you that once you start going up against knives, you're gonna get cut. The question is where and how bad.
    Done some Kali myself, and agree with this.

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    That first clip works against mannequins and cooperative assailants. I would like to see him pull that off with some one well versed in Pekiti Tirsia or other blade fighting arts.
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    That was fun.

    It was a clinic on how to pretend fight compliant training partners. Rule 1 of knife figting, don't fight with knives. Rule 2, control the hand/wrist with the weapon at all cost. Anyone pretending dogging an incoming blade and or redirection of the edge via your bodies core is a good idea is a complete $%^hat. Even many of the "strikes" utilized were at odd angles, with bent wrists and off line elbows, etc. In apparent attempt to stike secret sweet spots which I'm sure are supposed to completely disable your opponents. Striking with max force with your body having the most support and lack of energy leaks present is always superior.

    Find a single video of someone in a real fight or payed one being taken apart by some of these magic offline strikes. Don't waste your time looking its a fruitless endeavor.



    Thanks for the laugh though.
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    If you ever watch any other systema demontrations, they try to use the same type of body movement/avoidance on punching, kicking and grappling. If it really worked, you'd see guys using it in mma fights. Its just not reality.

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    I've watched plenty of videos on what to do when fighting an individual with a knife. In theory, the techniques they teach are awesome. In reality, those techniques are only going to work if you're going up against a slow loris. As a civilian, if I come across someone with a knife, they're either going to get shot or you're going to see me nope my way away from them as fast as possible.

    I mean, just give someone a small stick and tell them to try to poke you with it. I can almost guarantee you won't catch it in time. I'd rather just take my chances running away, personally.

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    Danny Inosanto demonstrates the speed of a knife attack in this Police training video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYl2KCdFNgo

    Dentoy Revillar informally showing some defense techniques:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EVk34OXOoU

    Angel Cabales demonstrates some disarms:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R196Et0_r8Y

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