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Thread: Lesson in morale building (not)
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12-06-2012, 12:24 PM #1
Lesson in morale building (not)
http://www.sanjoseinside.com/news/en..._police_shirt/
IPA (Independent Police Auditor) Takes Issue with Police Shirt Featuring Human Skull, Assault Rifles
Interesting article, how would officers in your department react?
Any comments?
note: This was to be an undergarment (T-shirt) worn by a specialized unit.Last edited by sanitizer; 12-06-2012 at 11:22 PM.
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12-07-2012, 01:41 AM #2Forum Member
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12-07-2012, 01:59 AM #3Forum Member
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Meh, I don't have any problems with them but there will always be someone out there that will get all butt-hurt about that kind of stuff.
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12-07-2012, 08:24 AM #4Forum Member
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we used to have a bad @$$ shirt for our urban police rifle cadre with a skull and rifle....someone decided the skull was too much so that went away, not too long ago we dropped the "urban" from the police rifle program. It turns out its racist and offensive to imply urban areas need rifles.......
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12-07-2012, 10:05 AM #5Senior Veteran
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Several years ago, one of the guys had some T-shirts made that had a skull wearing an 8 point cap and the words "MPD Death Squad"
No one wore them in public, they were intended as a gag among us. One of my former classmates then murdered his wife. Wasn't wearing the shirt at the time, it had nothing to do with the crime whatsoever. But it was found in his closet and brought up repeatedly at trial by the prosecutor, exhibited and covered in the newspaper as "evidence" of his violent tendencies.
Classmate is still in prison. The prosecutor is now a judge. My shirt still hangs in my closet. Still waiting for that evil T-shirt to manifest it's influence over me.
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12-07-2012, 11:55 AM #6Forum Member
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They are inappropriate for civilian police work. We are not the army (and yes, my army t-shirts had skulls and M-16s, etc.). The general populace does not want us portraying ourselves as killers and, while we sometimes have to kill people in the line of duty, we are not "killers." As noted above, whether true or not, if I were an atty I would be sure to note that someone wearing such a t-shirt was predisposed to finding the most violent ending to whatever scenario presented itself. In short, yes, I think they enforce negative stereotypes about the police.
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12-07-2012, 11:59 AM #7Equal Height Equal Light
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Here's an article about the aforementioned "Independent Police Auditor" that should answer any lingering questions that you, gentle reader, might have about her character and priorities.
http://www.sanjoseinside.com/news/en...ordell_police/
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12-07-2012, 03:18 PM #8
We have a civilian employee in Admin that didn't like the Viagra NASCAR jacket that one of our Sgts wore, so she complained about it. So, he went out and got hats, t-shirts, and jerseys to show support for his favorite college team.......the Gamecocks
They like to shorten their names and get rid of the "Game" portion of it.
The views expressed in the above post are the sole opinion of the author and do not reflect any official position by the author's employer and/or municipality.
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12-07-2012, 05:26 PM #9
Thanks for the link, reading post in http://www.sanjoseinside.com/ I came across the below post that mentions IPA.
"THIS SHOULD BE A REAL MORALE BUILDER
Want to complain about a San Jose cop? No problem if you are a San Jose resident. All you have to do is look inside your water or garbage bill…
The IPA and Chuck sends you a card how to complain about a SJ officer. Amazing."
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/vid...utility-bills/Last edited by sanitizer; 12-09-2012 at 03:36 PM.
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12-11-2012, 10:00 PM #10
Found a logical explanation regarding San Jose's Independent Police Auditor's interested in a specialize units T- shirts. http://meyerweed.blogspot.com
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12-11-2012, 11:34 PM #11Salty Dog
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PDs do not need independent auditor or inspectors general. They already have it. It exists as the city council, city manager or mayor if the city has a strong mayor. If the overseeing government becomes displeased with the chief, they'll fire him. And if the community liked the chief, the voters will fire the council or mayor. And sheriffs have thousands of independent auditors who they answer to. Appointing a position like that has-been judge is just another sign that the mayor has no balls to directly deal with a police chief he dislikes.
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12-12-2012, 06:00 AM #12Forum Member
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Actually the Inspector General program works great in the military and does well in our enviroment. I am sure some good ole boys will object. In a small county you might get rid of a bad Sheriff but look at the large counties out west. The only way to get the Orange Co Sheriff out was for the Feds to arrest him. L.A. County Sheriff a few years back, died in office. He wasn't leaving until he made all his relatives Captains.
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12-14-2012, 04:29 AM #13
We had a station that had trophy shots of large drug seizures posted on the wall in a secured area, out of public view. One day a command weenie doing staff inspections made light of the fact that it *could be* viewed as intimidating, and our sackless major had them taken down.
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12-14-2012, 10:17 AM #14Salty Dog
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12-14-2012, 11:43 AM #15Forum Member
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I think specialized logos as such build the warrior mindset. It shows that every person has put in their time and has earned being apart of that specialized unit. As long as they don't parade around town on duty with it on...
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12-14-2012, 12:57 PM #16
wow some of these stories make me thankful for my Sheriff....he has the balls to tell people like that to shove it.
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12-14-2012, 03:21 PM #17
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12-15-2012, 06:26 PM #20Forum Member
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So does she hold the same standards for the thugs that SJPD polices? If a SJPD officer driving down the street made the same observation on a street thug, she would be yelling at the top of her lungs.
I am soooo glad I live in Texas.Ut humiliter opinorHidden Content
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I feel your frustration Sanitizer, we have not got to that level yet.
But you are able to get online here and file a complaint anonymously. Got to love the old fire and forget complaint. No accountability, just complain and it is investigated to the fullest.
We drove around for a while with a complaint hotline number plastered down the side of the car and across the back window. The bosses couldn’t figure out why those particular cars weren’t being used.



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