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    Santorum calls it quits

    Looks like Romney can now fully concentrate his campaign against Obama.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,5599427.story
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    Nope. He still has to go through Ron Paul.
    Paul has more delegates than the media gives him credit for. The media just guesses at half the delegate counts.

    Paul's crowds keep getting bigger. 1750 people, 2000 people, 5200 people, last week was 7000 and 8500. People probably don't see this stuff on the news, though.

    This pic is too big to embed. It's Fox News asking "Where is Ron Paul?" while the thousands of people at his crowds ask "Where is the media?"
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...38333244_n.jpg

    Here's a short vid of massive Paul rallies on video. You won't see these images on television.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dangerclose View Post
    nope. He still has to go through ron paul.
    lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerClose View Post
    Nope. He still has to go through Ron Paul.
    Paul has more delegates than the media gives him credit for. The media just guesses at half the delegate counts.

    Paul's crowds keep getting bigger. 1750 people, 2000 people, 5200 people, last week was 7000 and 8500. People probably don't see this stuff on the news, though.

    This pic is too big to embed. It's Fox News asking "Where is Ron Paul?" while the thousands of people at his crowds ask "Where is the media?"
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...38333244_n.jpg

    Here's a short vid of massive Paul rallies on video. You won't see these images on television.

    Agree Ron Paul has a smart plan, Take his delegate all the way to the convention and Run 3rd party he will pick up Democratic votes (people who just refuse to register as a Republican but still LOVE Ron Paul) he’ll get Independents and Republicans who dislike Romney(which their are many reasons to do such). A LOT of people are voting 3rd party including me this go around.

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    Ron Paul is a nut that doesn't understand that we can't live in an isolationist world, and never really did. Typical of RP voters though, they would rather throw a temper tantrum and hand the election over to someone much further away from their views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperST View Post
    Ron Paul is a nut that doesn't understand that we can't live in an isolationist world, and never really did. Typical of RP voters though, they would rather throw a temper tantrum and hand the election over to someone much further away from their views.
    Typical of Ron Paul bashers who don't understand the difference between non-interventionism and isolationism.

    Ron Paul: "We need to rethink our foreign policy, and being in countries like Afghanistan is probably counterproductive."
    zombies: "omg he's crazy and kooky!"

    Newt Gingrich and other Republicans as of last month: "We need to rethink our foreign policy, and being in countries like Afghanistan is probably counterproductive."
    zombies: "Hmm, that's an interesting point we should consider."

    Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense under Donald Rumsfeld, 2003:
    "[W]e can now remove almost all of our forces from Saudi Arabia. Their presence there over the last 12 years has been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It's been a huge recruiting device for al Qaeda. In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so-called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina. "

    The CIA talks about blowback. The 9/11 commission talks about blowback. The Vietnam war was an interventionist war based on a lie. You may like the Vietnam war, but I bet the 55,000 Americans who died in it didn't.

    "Ronald Reagan: Isolationist"
    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...-isolationist/
    "McCain’s definition of who’s an “isolationist” seems to be anyone who believes permanent war is not in America’s interest. For McCain, any decision not to intervene militarily overseas is tantamount to erecting a brick wall around the US. "

    "Ask many conventional conservatives what a “Reagan Republican” is and you’ll likely hear something about “Peace through strength”—while they typically forget the peace part."

    "Can one imagine one of today’s neoconservative absolutists backing away from any fight anywhere?”

    People don't have to do a write-in vote for Paul if he's not the nominee. But what they should do is seriously consider voting for him in the primaries. Paul has always polled well against Obama. Romney continues to poll worse.

    And even Rick Santorum said Romney is the absolute worst Republican on the planet to go up against Obama. If Santorum suddenly endorses Romney, he's going to have a big credibility problem.

    When it comes down to it, a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama. Because Romney can't beat Obama. And even if he somehow does win, he's a big-government, NDAA indefinite detention, mandated health care gun grabber like Obama anyway.

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    Oath Keepers: "To be blunt, we consider the NDAA of 2012 to be a declaration of war on the American people, and an act of treason."
    So, Is this your viewpoint as well Danger?

    The Oath Keepers don't have much traction outside of their own sphere of membership. Amway is bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-11 View Post
    So, Is this your viewpoint as well Danger?
    I don't know about treason, but it's pretty messed up. To Santorum's credit, he's apparently against at least parts of NDAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerClose View Post
    Typical of Ron Paul bashers who don't understand the difference between non-interventionism and isolationism.

    Ron Paul: "We need to rethink our foreign policy, and being in countries like Afghanistan is probably counterproductive."
    zombies: "omg he's crazy and kooky!"

    Newt Gingrich and other Republicans as of last month: "We need to rethink our foreign policy, and being in countries like Afghanistan is probably counterproductive."
    zombies: "Hmm, that's an interesting point we should consider."
    I will agree with Ron Paul on a lot of points about foreign policy. We haven't learned a thing since Vietnam. We're still getting involved in wars that have little strategic or national security implications, overstretching our military, and trying to build nations and spread democracy to countries that have absolutely desire to have a democratic nation. It's led to needless deaths of thousands of troops, helped kill the economy (fighting expensive wars without a mobilized home front). I also totally agree that these undeclared wars are not constitutional.

    The problem is that he is anti-Israel. Israel is a major buffer in the Middle East against dangerous states and they protect the Jewish people, who would, mark my words, face a 2nd Holocaust that would probably finish them off if Israel was wiped off the map. They are also probably the only reason that Jews in Arab countries don't get massacred for fear of retaliation by the IDF or Mossad. Paul also thinks that Iran would not be a threat with nuclear weapons, which is shortsighted and very ignorant. He equates them to the USSR. The thing is, the Soviets could be trusted to do what was in their own best interests, which would NOT include launching nukes on the U.S. or U.S. allies. Iran, on the other hand, could possibly be fine with being destroyed themselves if it meant wiping Israel out. Even if they didn't do it themselves, don't think for a second that they wouldn't equip Hezbollah or some other terror group to set off a suitcase bomb in Tel Aviv or even Washington or New York.

    Isolation in this day and age is just not viable. We can cut our footprint down a fit and stop trying to police everything, but we can't pull out from the world.

    That said, I think in terms of domestic politics, Ron Paul's platform is about as perfect as they come: Shrink the federal government, lower taxes for everyone, more power to the states, less government in everyone's lives.

    All in all, do I think he'd be a good president? Actually, yeah, he would okay. I also think, thanks to checks and balances, that he'd find out very quickly that his isolationism wouldn't be viable and would temper it the best he could. No president ever gets to do absolutely everything he wants, and thank God for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerClose View Post
    Typical of Ron Paul bashers who don't understand the difference between non-interventionism and isolationism.


    "Ask many conventional conservatives what a “Reagan Republican” is and you’ll likely hear something about “Peace through strength”—while they typically forget the peace part."

    "Can one imagine one of today’s neoconservative absolutists backing away from any fight anywhere?”
    Interesting that you call me a RP basher when all I did was call him a nut, then you go on to post a bunch of crap. You RP supporters are a lot like the open carry folks.

    I don't care what term you use, isolationist or non-interventionalist, he is dangerously unaware or unconcerned with Iran's nuke program. a terrorist state if there ever was one. Didn't we learn anything from 9/11? RP didn't.

    Disagreeing with RP is not equivalent to getting involved with every potential conflict in the world.

    Calling the Federal Reserve unconstitutional is nutty no matter how you try to spin it. Running the US economy on gold and silver won't work according to everything I've seen. We need to fix the spending addiction but RP doesn't have the answer. Spouting off about it earns him the tinfoil hat.

    You mention the Republicans, Democrats and Independents that would vote for him instead of sitting it out, but what about all those who won't vote for him? That's the majority by a long shot. He can't win for numerous reasons, and proved it time and time again. Which debate has he ever won?
    People don't have to do a write-in vote for Paul if he's not the nominee. But what they should do is seriously consider voting for him in the primaries. Paul has always polled well against Obama. Romney continues to poll worse.
    Romney isn't even the nominee yet. But which poll has Paul ahead of Obama?
    And even Rick Santorum said Romney is the absolute worst Republican on the planet to go up against Obama. If Santorum suddenly endorses Romney, he's going to have a big credibility problem.
    How does that reflect on Romney?
    When it comes down to it, a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama. Because Romney can't beat Obama. And even if he somehow does win, he's a big-government, NDAA indefinite detention, mandated health care gun grabber like Obama anyway.

    Oath Keepers: "To be blunt, we consider the NDAA of 2012 to be a declaration of war on the American people, and an act of treason."
    A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama? Heeeere's your sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperST View Post
    Interesting that you call me a RP basher when all I did was call him a nut, then you go on to post a bunch of crap. You RP supporters are a lot like the open carry folks.
    lol, you don't consider calling Paul "a nut" as bashing him. funny.

    What's wrong with open-carry folks? Is it that whole "exercising their constitutional right" thing that gets to you? Have you never seen a gun before or something? Police officers open carry all the time. What do you have against police officers? Should police officers all conceal carry?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperST View Post
    Didn't we learn anything from 9/11? RP didn't.
    Funny you bring that up because RP warned prior to 9/11 that all the interventionism the U.S. was doing was going to come back and bite them via terrorism and other things.

    People like to bring up Iran and 1979. Yet they put their head in the sand regarding Iran and 1953. They like to pretend that "oh, all these countries hate us because we're perfect." yah.

    "Blowback." Look into it. If you say Ron Paul is wrong, then you're also saying the CIA and 9/11 commission are wrong. And you're also saying Newt Gingrich is wrong since just last month he started saying how being in countries like Afghanistan is probably counterproductive.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperST View Post
    Running the US economy on gold and silver won't work according to everything I've seen. We need to fix the spending addiction but RP doesn't have the answer. Spouting off about it earns him the tinfoil hat.
    "We need to fix spending addiction but RP doesn't have the answer." Ridiculous. ...if Ron Paul doesn't have the answer to fix spending addiction then who does!? Ron Paul is the ONLY person serious about stopping the spending and debt addiction. His budget plan would balance the budget in three years. "Fiscal conservative" Paul Ryan's plan wouldn't balance the budget for 30 years. 30!

    Btw, you know the U.S. has only been off the gold standard since 1971, right? Looks like no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GangGreen712 View Post
    The problem is that he is anti-Israel.
    When Israel bombed Iraq, Ron Paul was one of the only people in Congress and the United Nations to say they were in the right to do what they thought was best to protect themselves.

    Ron Paul consistently says how Israel should be treated as a sovereign nation and not have this weird ask-for-permission relationship with the U.S. Not to mention ending all foreign aid, while ending 2-3 billion to Israel, would end 12 billion to Israel's enemies. I see that one a lot... people call Paul anti-Israel because he wants to end ALL foreign aid.

    People put these huge sanctions on Iran... and then they call Paul the isolationist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerClose View Post
    lol, you don't consider calling Paul "a nut" as bashing him. funny.

    What's wrong with open-carry folks? Is it that whole "exercising their constitutional right" thing that gets to you? Have you never seen a gun before or something? Police officers open carry all the time. What do you have against police officers? Should police officers all conceal carry?
    I knew it.
    Funny you bring that up because RP warned prior to 9/11 that all the interventionism the U.S. was doing was going to come back and bite them via terrorism and other things.

    People like to bring up Iran and 1979. Yet they put their head in the sand regarding Iran and 1953. They like to pretend that "oh, all these countries hate us because we're perfect." yah.

    "Blowback." Look into it. If you say Ron Paul is wrong, then you're also saying the CIA and 9/11 commission are wrong. And you're also saying Newt Gingrich is wrong since just last month he started saying how being in countries like Afghanistan is probably counterproductive.
    You have quite a broad brush going there. What's his plan for Iran's nukes? Last I heard, it was no problemo.
    "We need to fix spending addiction but RP doesn't have the answer." Ridiculous. ...if Ron Paul doesn't have the answer to fix spending addiction then who does!? Ron Paul is the ONLY person serious about stopping the spending and debt addiction. His budget plan would balance the budget in three years. "Fiscal conservative" Paul Ryan's plan wouldn't balance the budget for 30 years. 30!

    Btw, you know the U.S. has only been off the gold standard since 1971, right? Looks like no.
    It isn't 1971 anymore. I haven't heard anyone besides RP and his fan club say that we can run on the gold standard today. Debating it is one thing but calling the Federal Reserve unconstitutional is another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerClose View Post
    When Israel bombed Iraq, Ron Paul was one of the only people in Congress and the United Nations to say they were in the right to do what they thought was best to protect themselves.
    Reagan said "Well, boys will be boys." Then he put Israel back on the fast track for more F16s, making many unhappy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperST View Post
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    It isn't 1971 anymore. I haven't heard anyone besides RP and his fan club say that we can run on the gold standard today. Debating it is one thing but calling the Federal Reserve unconstitutional is another.
    Congress had no constitutional authority to ever enact the federal reserve, making it inherently unconstitutional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GangGreen712 View Post
    The problem is that he is anti-Israel.
    http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2012/0...tal-of-israel/
    "Ron Paul to Obama and Romney: “Jerusalem is the capital of Israel”
    " “The real issue here is not what America wants but what Israel wants. We have no right to chose their capital,” Dr. Paul said, “If they say it is Jerusalem, then it is Jerusalem.”

    The Barack Obama administration has consistently rejected this idea and Governor Mitt Romney steadfastly refuses to make a commitment on the issue.
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    Ron Paul campaign officials have long complained that their man is so intellectually honest and so committed to a constitutional form of government he is easily tripped up by issues taken out of context by a demagogue.

    On December 29, 2011, the Israeli Mossad Chief, Tamir Pardo, told 100 ambassadors gathered in Jerusalem that a “nuclear Iran does not pose an existential threat to Israel.” When Dr. Paul said something similar in a debate the next week, insisting that we should not go to war with Iran on a presidential executive decision but only by consultation with the congress, he was heavily criticized and ridiculed.

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    Paul Primed to Take Majority of Iowa Delegates – Caucuses Set to Suffer Another Fatal Blow | The Iowa Republican
    As unthinkable as it seems, Iowa Republicans are on course to declare three different candidates the winner of the 2012 caucuses. Ironically, the candidate who actually won the contest, Rick Santorum, will have received the least for his effort here as Mitt Romney received all the attention and hype from being declared the winner on caucus night, and Ron Paul is likely to get the most delegates.

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    Ho-hum, just another weekend of "unelectable" Ron Paul winning.

    Ron Paul supporters took the most seats in both Nevada and Maine this weekend despite Romney supporters being devious and shady and perhaps even illegally passing out fake delegate slates, bringing in "guests" that voted during the verbal votes, and nominating Paul supporters as delegates who then had to go on stage to take themselves off the list.

    There's a video of one of the fake-slate Romney guys. He runs to a police officer when they start filming him and says he doesn't give his consent to be filmed. Hi-larious.

    Oh yeah, and Ron Paul has the Pokemon vote, so there's no stopping him now.
    Ohhh, you're my best friend, in a world we must defend...

    This also has live video of his huge crowds that the news never tells you about.


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    Paul will pull far more of the popular vote this year than any major media source would lead you to believe.

    He has remained a man of integrity for decades, and that's almost unheard of in Washington. Anyone with a pulse can see that Romney and Obama will simply continue to side with the highest bidders.

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