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    Telling you when you can wear short sleeves.

    My department has the mandatory long sleeve, or short sleeve thing going on. We are told what we HAVE to wear no matter what the temp is outside. In Georgia it might be 65 in the winter, and here we are with the mandatory long sleeves and tie, or dickie. What is the freaking point in that much control over your officers? Do we not have sense enough to figure out whether we want to wear short or long sleeves?? They say that it looks more professional, but does the public really give a flying sheet if we have long or short sleeves on????? Let people wear what ever they are more comfortable in. Rant over.

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    Same with the agency I work for. Right along with the stupid shiny buttons. No hats at the present time but the threat is still floating around. Totally unrealistic in today's world IMO. The public could care less with the type of uniform we are wearing when they need help.
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    The only ones on our dept with long sleeves is the honor guard,not issued OR authorized,THANKFULLY.
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    We have a similar mandatory long sleeve/short sleeve date, however we have enough sense to post a temporary order postponing the transition based on the weather conditions. I think we went to short sleeves two weeks early because it has been so warm here.

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    We used to have winter changeover to long sleeves but we have a new agency head that ended that. Also, the new agency head made it where tattoos have to be covered so many people wear long sleeves to cover them up. I only wear long sleeves because they protect me from the sun since I'm lilly white. I actually think they are cooler since you don't feel the direct sun on you. I also like them for the minor protection they give you if you are going through brush or rolling on the ground for what ever reason.
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    Our policy was always when daylight savings time changed we changed into short sleeves and vice versa


    I retired since the DST changed to March..............so I dont' know what the policy is now
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    We have a formal changeover policy, but that has been relaxed and now we can pretty much wear what we want. We are looking to switch to 5.11 TDU's, loosing the stripe and hats altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sackett View Post
    My department has the mandatory long sleeve, or short sleeve thing going on. We are told what we HAVE to wear no matter what the temp is outside. In Georgia it might be 65 in the winter, and here we are with the mandatory long sleeves and tie, or dickie. What is the freaking point in that much control over your officers? Do we not have sense enough to figure out whether we want to wear short or long sleeves?? They say that it looks more professional, but does the public really give a flying sheet if we have long or short sleeves on????? Let people wear what ever they are more comfortable in. Rant over.
    I hear you brother, that's a pretty ridiculous policy.

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    Wow that is retarded. Thank God my new PD treats us like adult humans.
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    We had that same policy.......changed with daylight savings time. Stupid policy that was eventually changed.

    They give us the decision when to use lethal force and we can't make our own decision when to wear long or short sleeves?

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    35 years ago, at LAPD, we were only allowed short-sleeves from Memorial Day to Labor Day when a teletype was received telling us the next day's tempurature was predicted to be over 76(?) degrees. And of course, when we got out of the police car, we'd better have our hat on. Daryl Gates changed all that when he became chief.

    I like the option of short-sleeves, today, but insist that long-sleeves are available for Class 'A' events such as cermonies or funerals. But trust me, here in Colorado, long-sleeves are a necessity in the wintertime.
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    No such thing with us except if you have tattoos. If the tattoos are visible below the elbow, short sleeve line then you have to wear the long sleeve no matter what. I know some guys use the skin tone smock when wearing the short sleeve but I think that looks retarded. Only other uniform issue is when we can wear our class B uniform, which is a cotton Dickie type shirt and pants. Policy says when there is inclement weather. But in the desert where its 95 plus all summer that would work right?? Other than that you can wear short or long sleeve when ever you want
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    We have a policy like that. Short sleeves from April 15th to October 15th, long sleeves the rest of the year. We can wear short sleeves during the other part of the year(Oct-Apr) if it is predicted to be above 70 degrees and the entire shift agrees on it. We did just get it changed last year so that from April 1st-30th and October 1-31st, we can decide on our own what to wear.

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    We have mandatory months for both long sleeves and short sleeves buffered with optional months where either is allowed. The funny thing is there is no policy about when I can wear a jacket.

    The only time a mandatory "sleeve" makes sense is if you are going to be standing in formation. Then a uniform of the day is in order. Else, let folks make their own decision on sleeve length. What if its February but I work in a hot office?

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    We have this policy too except that the patrol commander notifies everyone when to switch. We switched to long sleeves on 12/19/2011 and then went back to short sleeves on 03/05/2012.

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    We used to have a mandatory long-sleeve period. The chief would issue the memo usually sometime in November. The memo re-authorizing short sleeves would come out some time in March. They stopped doing it several years ago. Now you wear what you want when you want. Much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j706 View Post
    Same with the agency I work for. Right along with the stupid shiny buttons. No hats at the present time but the threat is still floating around. Totally unrealistic in today's world IMO. The public could care less with the type of uniform we are wearing when they need help.
    According to academy staff decades ago, some perp. shot and killed a uniformed police officer and got away with it under a self-defense justification. We were told the perp claimed it was a crowded street and the only thing he saw was a hand pointing a gun at him, so he shot the guy. Officer wasn't wearing a hat and the defense claimed this was why he didn't see it was a police officer and the uniformed was obscured by the crowd. Is it urban legend, I don't know, but it always stuck in my mind afterwards.

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    But......it's the way we've always done it!!!
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    We are required to wear long sleeves from October 1st through June 1st and jackets are required from November 1st till may 1st although the Lt can decided based on the weather is the required uniform can be altered

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    It's our choice what we want to wear. In TX, it can be 35 degrees one day and 75 the next. I'm glad we have the option. Even the guys with tats can wear short sleeves.
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    My Dept has a formal change over as well. Its optional for a month before its made mandatory, so March 1 short sleeve is optional then April 1 its mandatory. WE do not have to wear hats, but the ball cap is optional all the time.
    We to are looking into new options with uniforms. We have officer testing various uniform types and new items. We are looking hard at the 5.11 TDU as well.
    Also we have one external vest carrier that is already authorized, it looks basically like the uniform shirt semi tight fitting, and a new tactical style vest carrier is also being tested to go along with the current approved vest carrier. The only difference is the old approved carrier you still have all your gear on your belt it strictly a vest carrier. The carrier being tested will hold everything but your service weapon.
    We have polled various city citizens and they have had mixed feeling over going to a TDU or uniform for all patrol officer as our ERT/SWAT wears. (now they are not full time so they work the beat in a BDU uniform) They were concerned with us getting out with citizens looking like we were going to war. This was the reason we were researching more formal but more practical uniforms.

    ***Now when I say its optional its optional as a sqaud, so if the majority wants short sleeves we are standing out in the 35 degree weather with short sleeves and a jacket in March. Which is common in NC*****

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    We are treated like adults, and get to pick long or short sleeved based on preference. We've had a mild winter, and it's supposed to get to 80 degrees tomorrow, which is way above average.

    The only uniform schedule is for wearing optional white uniform shirts. Discretion allows wearing a white short-sleeved shirts from April 1 to October 31. Otherwise, it's navy.

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    Short-sleeve is only allowed at the direction of admin (roughly March-November)...for "uniformity." Nevermind the fact that we can wear the long-sleeve anytime.

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    We have a Class A work uniform year round. Not exceptions, no short sleeves ever. Long sleeves, patent leather boots and leather gear, and campaign cover. Doesn't bother me in the least bit.

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    That sucks. We have a choice of long sleeve or short sleeve between October and April.

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