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    Report: China building electromagnetic pulse weapons for use against U.S. carriers

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    China's military is developing electromagnetic pulse weapons that Beijing plans to use against U.S. aircraft carriers in any future conflict over Taiwan, according to an intelligence report made public on Thursday.

    Portions of a National Ground Intelligence Centerstudy on the lethal effects of electromagnetic pulse (EMP) and high-powered microwave (HPM) weapons revealed that the arms are part of China’s so-called “assassin’s mace” arsenal - weapons that allow a technologically inferior China to defeat U.S. military forces.

    EMP weapons mimic the gamma-ray pulse caused by a nuclear blast that knocks out all electronics, including computers and automobiles, over wide areas. The phenomenon was discovered in 1962 after an aboveground nuclear test in the Pacific disabled electronics in Hawaii.

    The declassified intelligence report, obtained by the private National Security Archive, provides details on China’s EMP weapons and plans for their use. Annual Pentagon reports on China's military in the past made only passing references to the arms.

    “For use against Taiwan, China could detonate at a much lower altitude (30 to 40 kilometers) … to confine the EMP effects to Taiwan and its immediate vicinity and minimize damage to electronics on the mainland,” the report said.

    The report, produced in 2005 and once labeled “secret,” stated that Chinese military writings have discussed building low-yield EMP warheads, but “it is not known whether [the Chinese] have actually done so.”

    The report said that in addition to EMP weapons, “any low-yield strategic nuclear warhead (or tactical nuclear warheads) could be used with similar effects.”

    “The DF-21 medium-range ballistic missile has been mentioned as a platform for the EMP attack against Taiwan,” the report said.

    According to the report, China’s electronic weapons are part of what are called “trump card” or “assassin’s mace” weapons that “are based on new technology that has been developed in high secrecy.”

    “Trump card would be applicable if the Chinese have developed new low-yield, possibly enhanced, EMP warheads, while assassin’s mace would apply if older warheads are employed,” the report said.

    According to the report, China conducted EMP tests on mice, rats, rabbits, dogs and monkeys that produced eye, brain, bone marrow and other organ injuries. It stated that “it is clear the real purpose of the Chinese medical experiments is to learn the potential human effects of exposure to powerful EMP and [high-powered microwave] radiation.”

    exposure to powerful EMP and [high-powered microwave] radiation.”

    The tests did not appear designed for “anti-personnel [radio frequency] weapons” because of the limited amounts of radiation used.

    However, the report said another explanation is that the Chinese tests may have been research “intended primarily for torturing prisoners,” or the tests may have been conducted to determine safety or shielding standards for military personnel or weapons.

    The medical research also appeared useful for China's military in making sure that EMP weapons used against Taiwan and “any vulnerable U.S. [aircraft carrier] would not push the U.S. across the nuclear-response threshold,” the report said.

    “China’s [high-altitude] EMP capability could be used in two different ways: as a surprise measure after China’s initial strike against Taiwan and other U.S. [aircraft carrier strike group] assets have moved into a vulnerable position, and as a bluff intended to dissuade the United States from defending Taiwan with a CVBG,” the Pentagon acronym for carrier strike groups.

    The bluff scenario would include China’s announcement of a resumption of atmospheric nuclear testing and warn of tests during a specified period and then attacking Taiwan’s infrastructure with conventional forces.

    China then would wait and see whether the U.S. carriers were deployed to defend Taiwan.

    The report concluded that China could consider using EMP weapons against Taiwan’s electronic infrastructure or against U.S. carriers if a conflict breaks out in the Taiwan Strait.

    “The minimization of military casualties on CVBG assets is calculated to lessen the likelihood of a U.S. nuclear response to a Taiwan strike employing nuclear EMP,” the report said. “The minimization of casualties on Taiwan is calculated to lessen the animosity among Taiwan’s population over forced reunification.”

    Taiwan broke with mainland China after nationalist forces fled to the island when communists seized power in 1949.

    The United States is bound by a 1979 law to prevent the forcible reunification of the island with the mainland, and China has said it is prepared to use force to claim the island.

    Peter Pry, a former congressional aide who helped direct a commission on EMP several years ago, said the commission found that China plans for nuclear EMP strikes against the United States, as well as Taiwan and carrier forces, are part of its military doctrine and exercises.
    “There is also evidence that China is developing, or has already developed, super-EMP nuclear weapons that generate extraordinarily powerful EMP fields, based partly on design information stolen from the United States,” Mr. Pry, president of the group EMPact America, said in an email.

    Mark Stokes, a former Pentagon specialist on China's military, said the report’s details on high-powered microwave are new.

    The same state-run institute, the China Academy of Engineering Physics, that makes China’s nuclear warheads is also a center of microwave weapons research, he said.

    Microwave weapons would be used to shut down enemy radar, communications, computers and other electronics in an opening salvo. The weapons also could jam electronics of attacking aircraft and anti-radiation missiles, and as an anti-satellite weapon, degrade sensitive satellite electronic systems, he said.

    Richard Fisher, a China military analyst, said EMP warheads are likely to be an option for China’s new DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile for the purpose of attacking large U.S. Navy ships without inflicting immediate massive casualties.

    “Less is known about the longer-term effects on personnel of this kind of radiation attack,” said Mr. Fisher, who is with the International Assessment and Strategy Center. “The more powerful nuclear-propelled neutron bomb was designed specifically for killing personnel without a massive blast.”
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    Talk about modern shifts towards democracy and positive contributions to the international stage, Taiwan is still being used as a trading token.
    Funny, China wouldn't have the funds for their weapons if they weren't buying U.S. bonds.

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    washington times is..... less than reliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avici_183 View Post
    Talk about modern shifts towards democracy and positive contributions to the international stage, Taiwan is still being used as a trading token.
    Funny, China wouldn't have the funds for their weapons if they weren't buying U.S. bonds.
    ... or americans greedily marching into WALmarts and buying their cheapo "made in china" CRAP( ah'm gettin' mah' dollursz worth- ain't got a JOB, but Ah'm a' savin'!!), or the "proud american companies" continuing to ship jobs overseas because americans won't work for $2.00/hr like chinese workers on the avg!

    WE ignorantly FUEL their economy, from the avg joe consumer to Major corporations ,which ALLOWS the Red Chinese to build better weapon systems( THE U.S. is China's ONLY THREAT! other than the U.K. the rest of Europe would lay down like whipped dogs ) and it seems neither the wimpy Dems or the "GOD BLESS AMERICA" GOP gives a damn about stopping this!( the right actually deludes themselves into believing this is "free enterprise" at its best)

    If you think we have any power to really hurt the chinese economically- merely LOOK at their history They have no PROBLEM going BACKWARD( ala the "cultural revolution", tianamen square killings) and their people will go along with it. China has NO fear of nuclear or biological or electronic/technological warfare, nor do they fear economic sanctions.( Korean War shows they have no PROBLEM throwing damn near a million men to their deaths to prevent their sick system from faltering).........
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    "washington times is..... less than reliable."

    Less reliable than who?

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    less reliable than your average newspaper. Go back and look at some of the gems they have published in the past year. Do not mistake them for the Washington Post, which is a highly reliable source. I would consider them about as reliable as wikipedia, ie, if you can't find their information corroborated else where, it's not because they have some awesome super deep cover source, it's because they're stretching the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jb2257 View Post
    less reliable than your average newspaper. Go back and look at some of the gems they have published in the past year. Do not mistake them for the Washington Post, which is a highly reliable source. I would consider them about as reliable as wikipedia, ie, if you can't find their information corroborated else where, it's not because they have some awesome super deep cover source, it's because they're stretching the facts.
    True, but wikipedia will admit that correction or citation of facts isneeded, and very rarely do they post total B.S. as "legit"( much of wikipedia can be cross referenced for factual information). All in all, I'd take it- like any reporting with a grain of the "proverbial salt" and go find additional information on the matter. The Chinese are actually experimenting with whatever weapon systems or resources they can beg, borrow, buy or steal to blunt U.S. military ambitions whenever it appeals to them....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    "washington times is..... less than reliable."

    Less reliable than who?
    It's "than whom"... CrickY's

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    Taiwan Cedes Sovereignty to PRC in Wake of EMR Pulse Threat

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    Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:59am EDT

    (Reuters) In a move which shocked political and military analysts throughout the world, Taiwan Republic of China, formerly known as Nationalist China and situated on the island of Formosa, located off the Southern coast of mainland China, has abjectly capitulated to the coercive imposition of the "One China" policy promulgated by the People's Republic of China (PRC), and has consequently agreed to become a province of the PRC.

    Taiwan President Ying-Jeou Ma expressed hopes for a smooth transition. In a speech televised Saturday afternoon (5:00 PM GMT) Mr. Ma said "In the years since the mainland appropriately took the place of Taiwan on the UN security Council, Taiwan has come to recognize that its worldwide support as an independent nation is steadily flagging. We are ready to accept without rancor the benevolent paternity of our homeland. The One China policy is central to our glorious bright future".

    Pressed for comments, Taiwan Minister of National Defense Hua-Chu Kao said "The rapid advancement of the PRC in the area of EMR pulse technology is truly remarkable, and renders the United States Navy completely ineffective as a strategic force in the Pacific region. Figuratively speaking, it appears that the wisdom of Heaven has smiled upon the One China policy. We are prepared to accept our enjoyable great destiny.

    PRC Premier Wen Jhibao remarked "It's about time we got those running dog capitalist Americans to stop meddling in our internal matters".

    A spokesman for the White House said "That's OK with us".

    (Reporting by Tai Wan Lin; Editing by Sum Bos Man)
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    I would like to think with the current Gerald Ford super carriers under construction that attacks against these platforms utilizing emp weaponry has already been considered. I would venture to say that counter-measures are already in place or anticipated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
    Taiwan Cedes Sovereignty to PRC in Wake of EMR Pulse Threat

    Tai Wan Lin
    Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:59am EDT

    (Reuters) In a move which shocked political and military analysts throughout the world, Taiwan Republic of China, formerly known as Nationalist China and situated on the island of Formosa, located off the Southern coast of mainland China, has abjectly capitulated to the coercive imposition of the "One China" policy promulgated by the People's Republic of China (PRC), and has consequently agreed to become a province of the PRC.

    Taiwan President Ying-Jeou Ma expressed hopes for a smooth transition. In a speech televised Saturday afternoon (5:00 PM GMT) Mr. Ma said "In the years since the mainland appropriately took the place of Taiwan on the UN security Council, Taiwan has come to recognize that its worldwide support as an independent nation is steadily flagging. We are ready to accept without rancor the benevolent paternity of our homeland. The One China policy is central to our glorious bright future".

    Pressed for comments, Taiwan Minister of National Defense Hua-Chu Kao said "The rapid advancement of the PRC in the area of EMR pulse technology is truly remarkable, and renders the United States Navy completely ineffective as a strategic force in the Pacific region. Figuratively speaking, it appears that the wisdom of Heaven has smiled upon the One China policy. We are prepared to accept our enjoyable great destiny.

    PRC Premier Wen Jhibao remarked "It's about time we got those running dog capitalist Americans to stop meddling in our internal matters".

    A spokesman for the White House said "That's OK with us".

    (Reporting by Tai Wan Lin; Editing by Sum Bos Man)
    Editing by some boss man, I like it! And, of course, it was an article from the future which is a nice touch
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSD View Post
    Editing by some boss man, I like it! And, of course, it was an article from the future which is a nice touch
    Well maybe I stoled the article from across the date line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CityCopDC View Post
    I would like to think with the current Gerald Ford super carriers under construction that attacks against these platforms utilizing emp weaponry has already been considered. I would venture to say that counter-measures are already in place or anticipated.
    Umm ... Didn't Gerald Ford pardon Richard Nixon? Yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
    Taiwan Cedes Sovereignty to PRC in Wake of EMR Pulse Threat

    Tai Wan Lin
    Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:59am EDT

    (Reuters) In a move which shocked political and military analysts throughout the world, Taiwan Republic of China, formerly known as Nationalist China and situated on the island of Formosa, located off the Southern coast of mainland China, has abjectly capitulated to the coercive imposition of the "One China" policy promulgated by the People's Republic of China (PRC), and has consequently agreed to become a province of the PRC.

    Taiwan President Ying-Jeou Ma expressed hopes for a smooth transition. In a speech televised Saturday afternoon (5:00 PM GMT) Mr. Ma said "In the years since the mainland appropriately took the place of Taiwan on the UN security Council, Taiwan has come to recognize that its worldwide support as an independent nation is steadily flagging. We are ready to accept without rancor the benevolent paternity of our homeland. The One China policy is central to our glorious bright future".

    Pressed for comments, Taiwan Minister of National Defense Hua-Chu Kao said "The rapid advancement of the PRC in the area of EMR pulse technology is truly remarkable, and renders the United States Navy completely ineffective as a strategic force in the Pacific region. Figuratively speaking, it appears that the wisdom of Heaven has smiled upon the One China policy. We are prepared to accept our enjoyable great destiny.

    PRC Premier Wen Jhibao remarked "It's about time we got those running dog capitalist Americans to stop meddling in our internal matters".

    A spokesman for the White House said "That's OK with us".

    (Reporting by Tai Wan Lin; Editing by Sum Bos Man)
    and all that "china love" happened as a result of Republican leadership( Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr.....) And lets NOT forget all those good old american jobs now in chinese hands thanks to Republican policies designed to CRUSH unions and higher paid american labor, and insure HIGH financial returns for folks like Walmarts........
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    I am much more concerned with an Enhanced EMP type weapon being used against us here in the US....shoot a missile high enough up in the upper atmosphere and pop it there....that will fry pretty much any unshielded computer circuit, as well as our entire electrical grid that is within 'line of sight' of the burst
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA DEP View Post
    I am much more concerned with an Enhanced EMP type weapon being used against us here in the US....shoot a missile high enough up in the upper atmosphere and pop it there....that will fry pretty much any unshielded computer circuit, as well as our entire electrical grid that is within 'line of sight' of the burst
    Wouldn't be hard for them to get weapons into Cuba and go from there... the Chinese military have been in Cuba for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA DEP View Post
    I am much more concerned with an Enhanced EMP type weapon being used against us here in the US....shoot a missile high enough up in the upper atmosphere and pop it there....that will fry pretty much any unshielded computer circuit, as well as our entire electrical grid that is within 'line of sight' of the burst
    People have forgotten just how much the chinese HATE us! They continue to support North Korea no matter what B.S. they do, and are quick to condemn anyhting the U.S. does globally, even the deployment of U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Even during the uprising in Libya, the U.S. had to be "overly tactical" in its bombing of sites vital to former dictator Khadafi so as not "endanger" Chinese workers on the ground there.

    When Gen. MacArthur suggested the use of atomic bombs to stop the chinese in the Korean war, Mao simply shrugged it off and said that his people would simply use their handgrenades- meaning they'd get in close ad wouldn't stop, no matter what the damage- they haven't given this mindset up...
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    well if this being the case, they can forget about us paying back their loans.
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    I've always been given to understand by both family members in the Navy and my own understanding, that most military hardware is EMP hardened.

    These EMP weapons aren't news. It has always been understood that in a nuclear exchange, many weapons would be discharged in the upper ionosphere in order to create large EMP coverage to knock out civilian infrastructure and any non hardened military hardware.

    I kinda call BS on this issue.

    Remember, the Washington Times also reported on the Iranian "stealth boat" which was essentially a wooden swamp fanboat with a missile strapped on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinAndeys View Post
    I've always been given to understand by both family members in the Navy and my own understanding, that most military hardware is EMP hardened.

    These EMP weapons aren't news. It has always been understood that in a nuclear exchange, many weapons would be discharged in the upper ionosphere in order to create large EMP coverage to knock out civilian infrastructure and any non hardened military hardware.

    I kinda call BS on this issue.

    Remember, the Washington Times also reported on the Iranian "stealth boat" which was essentially a wooden swamp fanboat with a missile strapped on.
    There aren't any magnetic monopoles observed in nature, so unless maybe the LHC creates one, each magnetic pole has to pair to an opposite pole. High magnetic reluctance materials do not insulate against magnetic fields in the way high electrical resistance materials do against electric currents. The best that can be done to protect electrical components against EMR pulse is to wrap them in materials of high magnetic permeability such as metal glass alloys so that the fields can be shunted away from the objects to be protected. Things can also be protected against magnetic fields with superconductor shields.
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