06-14-2011, 12:10 PM #1
Help with cell tower records data
Working a case where all the information from multiple sources indicates a particular suspect was involved with a robbery.. The tower records for the suspect's cell phone show a hit on a tower in the next state during the time the crime was committed. Call detail records show a flurry of calls between our suspect and the "inside" man just prior to the robbery and immediately following. I am as close to 100% certain as one could be without being personally involved that our suspect is the guy for the offense. Has anyone ever encountered problems with tower records like this and subsequently made sense of it?
Last edited by Georgetime; 06-14-2011 at 12:32 PM.Be dangerous, and unpredictable... and make a lot of noise. - John Bush, Anthrax circa 1993
06-14-2011, 04:42 PM #2
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- Richmond, Wayne County, IN
I have seen some strangeness WRT cell tower locations but it is usually within the realm of possibility. Is the tower it hit on within 15-20 miles of were you think he might have been? I've been told 15 miles is the area a tower can cover. Did you get tower locations for each phone call?Most to those who constantly question authority don't know the real answer to their own question. They blindly and lazily question and resist because they resent authority.
06-14-2011, 05:10 PM #3
Cells are essentially little radios that operate in strange line-of-site bounces. I work next to Lake Superior and it is not uncommon to get tower hits 50 miles away in another state. Recently I was trying to track down a guy through tower pings but each ping put him literally miles apart from each other. He would have had to have been going 400 mph for the pings to be accurate.
Here's a resource I use all the time. http://www.cellreception.com/towers/ You can locate a specific tower and then, using the coverage map, get an idea if any weird line of site issues exist. I have also brought tower data to a guy at one of the local technician shops who was able to reconstruct a coverage area based on geography and building structure to show which towers would have received the strongest signal.
That's the wrong link (althought it works). This is the link that works MUCH better: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrS...tionSearch.jsp
06-14-2011, 06:03 PM #4
Thanks for the responses. One of the people from the company said that you could get a hit at 100 miles. The hits we got are in the next state over, well in excess of 100 miles away. Still trying to figure it out. We know we have the right guy, just don't know what to make of these results.Be dangerous, and unpredictable... and make a lot of noise. - John Bush, Anthrax circa 1993
06-14-2011, 06:40 PM #5
Radio "skip" or "ducting" can be funny..................The atmospheric conditions can do strange things in the VHF (police" low" band) and UHF (the upper reaches of UHF includes the cellular frequencies----the lower UHF is police "high" band)
If you want a concise answer PM Sully...................he does know radio propagation (and he can give you a serious answer)"Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon - no matter how good you are, the pigeon will still crap all over the board and strut around like it won anyway."
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06-14-2011, 08:26 PM #6
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if it happened right before the calls and then corrected, i'd be inclined to look tmsi location update. if it happened in the middle and then corrected, i'd look for a misidentified tower by the cell phone company. see if you can get detailed info about location updates for his particular IMSI. they may not keep all those records though.
Alternatively, you may look at large structures in your city that may have their own base stations to improve cell reception inside the building. They can put an antenna on the roof that is highly directional and high off the ground. it's possible that one of these structures is picking up its cell signal from very far away. much farther than a cell phone could pick up. not sure if cell company would notice.
att also has a microcell that provides cell service through broadband. i have no idea what location a micro-cell tower would report.
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06-15-2011, 08:54 AM #7Be dangerous, and unpredictable... and make a lot of noise. - John Bush, Anthrax circa 1993
06-16-2011, 05:18 AM #8
I was on a lost person call a few years ago, and the clearly incorrect ping was over 200 miles away. It happens. Rare, but happens.