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    Drivers who cut through a gas station or other business to avoid the stop light.

    What is the general opinion on drivers who shortcut through a business on a corner to avoid waiting for the green light? Is there a statute on it and have you written it? I see this alot in Florida.

    Here are two examples:

    Driver 1 is a couple of cars deep and stopped at the red light. He decides to whip a quick detour through the corner business (usually a gas station). He has no intention of patronizing the business and just uses the lot as an extension of the road.

    Driver 2 is approaching a light that has only been red for a few moments. A stopped car is occupying the right lane so this person will slow down a little and make his move through the lot at a much higher speed. As a bonus, the cross traffic nearly always will have to check up for this driver.

    In order to remove some variables; you just happen to be on duty and in a perfectly safe position to join traffic and find out what is the drivers hurry. I look forward to your thoughts. Thank you.
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    It is a citeable violation in most, if not all states. Prior to retiring, I often wrote citations for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipCal View Post
    It is a citeable violation in most, if not all states. Prior to retiring, I often wrote citations for it.
    Exactly. The charge we use is "cutting through private property." I was cited for it when I was 16 yrs old leaving high school.
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    Not a violation in California. As long as the turn into the gas station was properly signalled and made safely, and the driver yielded to traffic upon entering the street from the gas station, there is no violation. It's not a trespass unless he is told to leave the property and refuses. It doesn't bother me in the least if someone beats the light by cutting across a parking lot or gas station.
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    Violation in Mich....avoiding traffic control device. Always cite for it because a parking lot was designed for through traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipCal View Post
    It is a citeable violation in most, if not all states. Prior to retiring, I often wrote citations for it.
    I'll take your word for that, but I don't see any reason why it should be illegal.

    The state has an interest in impeding the flow of traffic, increasing the use of fuel and emissions? Why? Do you have a law requiring everyone to take a route that maximizes the number of stop signs he traverses?
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    Avoiding traffic control device
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAL View Post
    I'll take your word for that, but I don't see any reason why it should be illegal.

    The state has an interest in impeding the flow of traffic, increasing the use of fuel and emissions? Why? Do you have a law requiring everyone to take a route that maximizes the number of stop signs he traverses?
    Since you can't figure out why it should be illegal, read post right above yours. Very simple. Traffic control devices are meant to do just that....control the flow of traffic....and some weenie cutting through a parking lot and zipping back out on the road causes many problems. Unsafe to users of parking lot (usually seems to be gas stations with people pumping gas), and since they are in such a big yank that they can't wait for the light to turn green, they usually zip right back into the traffic lane from the parking lot without first stopping, which by the way is also another infraction which I love to cite for.

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    +1 for the reasons above. I think it annoys business owners also. I doubt someone like Walmart would care much. But the small gas station owner on the corner might be annoyed. Also at the very least, it is non-customers putting wear and tear on their lot. I've never cited for it, but I don't have a problem with it being on the books.

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    In Texas you could most likely have 3 citations very easily. 1- Fail to signal intent continuously 100 feet prior. 2- Avoiding a traffic control device. 3- Fail to stop when leaving a private drive. That would be a situation in which the person needs to be written for everything you can write them for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ateamer View Post
    Not a violation in California.
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    Cutting Through Private Property to Avoid traffic Control Device is the statute here in New Jersey, 39:4-66.2.
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    It's called Corner Cutting here. May be a municipal charge, I can't remember off the top of my head. I always stop for it when I see it, but since it's a $455 fine, I will only write a ticket if it was done in a reckless manner or there is an attitude problem.

    For the poster who questions why it's illegal, can you imagine if more people chose to break the law and cut through the corner gas station? It would wreak havoc on the business operation there as well as increase the number of private property collisions. There's already enough choas in those lots at peak times without adding a new dynamic to the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAL View Post
    I'll take your word for that, but I don't see any reason why it should be illegal.

    The state has an interest in impeding the flow of traffic, increasing the use of fuel and emissions? Why? Do you have a law requiring everyone to take a route that maximizes the number of stop signs he traverses?
    Don't like it, don't cite for it. Officer discretion, DAL

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    Non-LEO with a question:

    I fully agree that this is a wrongful act (the creeps never drive sensibly while doing it) but what about a slightly different case: Cutting through the parking lot because there's an accident blocking the intersection?

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    New York State VTL Section 1225: No person shall drive across or upon a sidewalk, driveway, parking lot or private property, or otherwise drive off a roadway, in order to avoid an intersection or traffic-control device.

    My problem with people that cut through parking lots is very simple. For the most part, people who are too impatient to wait at a red light, are also the ones who drive aggressively and resregard other traffic laws. Its not one of my pet peeves, but it may get the driver a "time out" with me on the shoulder of the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Non-LEO with a question:

    I fully agree that this is a wrongful act (the creeps never drive sensibly while doing it) but what about a slightly different case: Cutting through the parking lot because there's an accident blocking the intersection?
    The black and white of the law generally does not allow for it, but that's why officers have discretion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exComptonCop View Post
    Good Lord, I can now die a happy man...something that isn't illegal in CA, but is everywhere else, lol
    corner cutting and weed.

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    Actually in Cali, I know a couple partners that have used this succesfully
    21755. The driver of a motor vehicle may overtake and pass another
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipCal View Post
    Don't like it, don't cite for it. Officer discretion, DAL
    I can't cite for it, which is fine with me. I can, however, cite for unsafely entering the highway, or reckless driving on private property, which seem to cover the situations where a citation is called for. I still don't see why this should be illegal if it is not hazardous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdrdep View Post
    Actually in Cali, I know a couple partners that have used this succesfully
    21755. The driver of a motor vehicle may overtake and pass another
    vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement
    in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off
    the paved or main-traveled portion of the roadway
    If that applied, then you could cite someone whenever they passed someone while turning into a driveway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAL View Post
    I can't cite for it, which is fine with me. I can, however, cite for unsafely entering the highway, or reckless driving on private property, which seem to cover the situations where a citation is called for. I still don't see why this should be illegal if it is not hazardous.
    You're fully entitled to your opinion, as I am mine. It's a citeable violation in Alabama, and I've written numerous citations for it. The options you reference are valid as well.If you're unable to discern why this action should be illegal, no amount of explanation on my part will correct that inability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAL View Post
    I'll take your word for that, but I don't see any reason why it should be illegal.

    The state has an interest in impeding the flow of traffic, increasing the use of fuel and emissions? Why? Do you have a law requiring everyone to take a route that maximizes the number of stop signs he traverses?
    Based on that "logic" why have traffic signals and stop signs?

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    Rich Hall (of "Sniglets" fame) coined a term back during the 1980s to describe people who executed such maneuvers: EssoAsso.

    LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ateamer View Post
    Not a violation in California. As long as the turn into the gas station was properly signalled and made safely, and the driver yielded to traffic upon entering the street from the gas station, there is no violation. It's not a trespass unless he is told to leave the property and refuses. It doesn't bother me in the least if someone beats the light by cutting across a parking lot or gas station.


    Hmmmm..I really thought there was one...but apparently not specific...like you said as long as no violations made during.
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