New tech for hot pursuits?

[Sgt York]

Watching the news today was sad seeing children killed in a crash that could have been prevented. This pursuit is likely to bring on new calls to stop pursuits, but what message would that send criminals? Green light??? Sure! So it seems we have to figure out something better than the pitt to take someone out.

Any ideas for better tech?

[Sgt York]

Instead of a grader:

How about a harpoon in the form a flexible magnetic patch that adhere's to any metal part of a vehicle, and sends a very high blast of electrical current that lasts just long enough to destroy the vehicle PCM but not long enough to kill or injure the occupants.

This unit could be deployed through the front end of a cruiser and attach to any part of the suspect vehicle, send an electric charge immediately then disconnect from the vehicle and reel back into the cruiser, or remain attached to the vehicle and safely remain to act as a brake until the vehicle stops.

[So Fla Cop]

The technology has existed for years that would enable police to disable the engine of the vehicle that was fleeing. Guess what..the ACLU objected. It is the homegrown terrorists that are killing our civilians, not us.

[DACP]

The technology has existed for years that would enable police to disable the engine of the vehicle that was fleeing. Guess what..the ACLU objected. It is the homegrown terrorists that are killing our civilians, not us.

F the ACLU

[KJB]

What does ACLU stand for anyway. Isn't it Anti Cops & Lawyers (meaning Prosecutors)Union?

[DACP]

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[ISPY4U2]

The technology to stop a car without injuring people exists, and it doesn't have to be installed in the car (unlike On-Star, which I will NEVER EVER own). It sends an electro-magnetic pulse that fries out the car's electronics, stopping it without hurting anyone inside. Problem is, it's expensive, and they have to perfect making it shut down the bad-guy car without taking out other cars around it (including the LEO's cruiser), which would make things more dangerous. Give it a few years and I suspect it will be tested on the streets. Until then, I don't see the situation getting any easier for LEOs.

[So Fla Cop]

American Criminal Liberties Union

[FJDave]

the problem with shutting off an engine while the vehicle is moving is that the steering and braking systems are adversely affected. If you can kill the transmission or rear gears while not disabling the engine, that would be the sweet spot. I heard that some vehicle manufacturers will be installing something in their drive trains to enable such a pursuit intervention system. The problem with those is that they can almost always be overcome relatively easily.

[Prov1x]

the problem with shutting off an engine while the vehicle is moving is that the steering and braking systems are adversely affected. If you can kill the transmission or rear gears while not disabling the engine, that would be the sweet spot. I heard that some vehicle manufacturers will be installing something in their drive trains to enable such a pursuit intervention system. The problem with those is that they can almost always be overcome relatively easily.

Yea, if they rig their own car to be used in a crime they could overcome the system. But if it is just a random car theft then more than likely the car's owner wouldn't have tried to bypass it and it would work.

[FJDave]

It would work IF we caught them before they could have a chance to bypass the system. I think it's a GREAT idea, and would work as intended most of the time. As the old saying goes, "If it would prevent just 1 life being lost, it would be worth the cost."

[Taylor13]

The technology has existed for years that would enable police to disable the engine of the vehicle that was fleeing. Guess what..the ACLU objected. It is the homegrown terrorists that are killing our civilians, not us.

You mean a shotgun?

[Bully]

I saw on Futureweapons, a net that works kinda like spikes. The difference is the net wraps around the front wheels and locks them up. The car stops in its tracks.

I thought of one a few years ago. How about a sky crane with an electro magnet. It drops the magnet on top of the car and takes off. Now you got this car dangling under a helicopter. The pilot can then let him down in a caged area at the station, or my favorite, drop him off in the nearest lake or ocean.

[Taylor13]

It's a popup barrier if you need to stop something on the highway and the ACLU wont be in the way, stick it on a trailer.. put it on the road.. you'll have a surefire stop method.. or go for a couple more feet. Contact me if your department is interested, I've already got a model as to how it'd work. They have them in the ground at various places in Washington D.C. they popup at a moments notice and can stop a truck.

[FJDave]

Looks like that truck was going faster than the posted 5 MPH....

[eric_farang_bah]

Run from the police =DEADLY FORCE


That would stop them from starting, or end them when they start

[Nobody]

You mean a shotgun?

beat me to it

[grumpyirishman]

Why are some departments still pursuing for traffic offenses, misdemeanors, or even non-violent felonies such as auto theft??

From personal experience,years ago, as an auto theft detective, most people received more time for a DUI than stealing a car....

The circumstances MUST be weighed!!

We only are allowed to pursue for VIOLENT felonies, or crimes involving guns!! It seems to work fine. We still catch the bad guys, and pursuits and their related carnage have all but disappeared.

[FJDave]

We only chase for crimes against persons, violent felonies, etc. Property crimes we do not chase for.

[David Hineline]

I saw on Futureweapons, a net that works kinda like spikes. The difference is the net wraps around the front wheels and locks them up. The car stops in its tracks.

I thought of one a few years ago. How about a sky crane with an electro magnet. It drops the magnet on top of the car and takes off. Now you got this car dangling under a helicopter. The pilot can then let him down in a caged area at the station, or my favorite, drop him off in the nearest lake or ocean.

How many areas do you think there are where the sky is free of overpasses, electrical lines, overhead road signs, and any other obstacle where a helo with a magnet can swoop down and pick up a car.

[Arec]

Pursuits are a no win situation.

See a guy run a stop sign, light him up and he takes off. Now he's going 100mph blowing through red lights to get away. You have already terminated the pursuit because it is not a violent felony. At the next intersection he, still trying to flee from you, T-Bones a minivan and kills the entire family.

You're going to get sued for not persuing him, for not attempting to disable his vehicle, for not being right behind him so that your lights and sirens might warn other motorists of the impending danger.

[Bully]

How many areas do you think there are where the sky is free of overpasses, electrical lines, overhead road signs, and any other obstacle where a helo with a magnet can swoop down and pick up a car.

I know....but it sounded cool and provides for a great visual.

[So Fla Cop]

Get sued for not pursuing him? When did this ever happen successfully?

It didn't and it can't. The real issue is how to get custody without endangering others.

[LA DEP]

You're going to get sued for not persuing him, for not attempting to disable his vehicle, for not being right behind him so that your lights and sirens might warn other motorists of the impending danger.

They might try and sue you.....anyone can sue for pretty much anything these days....

But, they will not be successful at trial....the US Supreme Court ruled years ago that law enforcement has ZERO duty to protect individuals......

[CruiserClass]

If only someone would invent a device that were capable of taking a small dense projectile, or perhaps even a cluster of projectiles, and hurling it accurately over a short distance. Perhaps some sort of smokeless powder could be utilized as a propellant. That might work.