National Open Carry Day

[NavyDavy]

http://www.patriotpages.net/nationalopencarry.htm

I'd like to see what you guys thunk about this. I'm not real excited about it myself!

[DAL]

The LA Times ran an article about open carry yesterday. Unfortunately, the article did not mention that open carry is illegal in California without a permit.

[j706]

I feel inclined to say and think it is a VERY STUPID idea. You would be hard pressed to find anyone more pro 2nd amendment than myself, but this is plain dumb. IMO it defeats the whole purpose of being armed. Sounds like a bunch of knuckle heads and show boaters to me.

Another thing to keep in mind is states like mine that have intimidation laws. Bet no thought of that when they come up with a "open carry day".

[Mabbottusmc]

and on the 4th of July weekend? Yeah, exactly what I want, a bunch of drunks with guns!

[Linkshinter]

I can see a bunch of "Man with Gun" calls which means we'll be sliding around the county all day

[injunwil]

i think it's a wonderful idea

i live in a state that bans open carry and would definately wear an empty holster in protest, but i'm on duty that weekend so... while i will be open carrying, it will lose some effect LOL.

atleast i'll know what's up if i see any locals totin'

the site did instruct everybody to understand their local laws before participating and to wear an empty holster if you state bans open carry, i don't see the problem.

ETA- i think independance day is the most appropriate time to schedule this

[JSODEP5338]

Hey, if someone wants to be the bullet trap when the brown stuff hits the fan. More power to them. Maybe it will give me a few extra seconds to draw my concealed firearm and seek cover.

[Nonsequitur]

Originally Posted by DAL

The LA Times ran an article about open carry yesterday. Unfortunately, the article did not mention that open carry is illegal in California without a permit.

What the heck are you talking about? Enlighten me with the code and section...

It is illegal to carry a loaded firearm in an incorporated area (12031 PC), and illegal to carry a concealed firearm (12025 PC). Actual open carry of an unloaded firearm is legal, questionably un-wise but legal (except for certain circumstances, school zones etc.).

[kraigwy]

Personally, I like the ideal of a protest to protect the 2nd, or any other RIGHT protected by the Constitution.

HOWEVER: I think we ought to wait to see how the USSC will rule on the DC gun ban law (suppose to come out this month). I have good feelings about this, although I do see some sort of restrictions which I don't agree with, I think their ruling would be something along the lines of a MUST ISSUE rule, where as if you are legally allowed to own a gun, then the stats have to issue a cc permit. Just a gut feeling.
Baring that, I read somewhere that there are more gun owners in this country then people who voted in the last election. Don't know if those numbers are correct, but I know there are enough gun owners, who if voted as gun owners, we could own this country and control gun laws ourselves.
Don't see that happening, People rather vote base on what the gooberment will give them then vote to protect our God given rights.

[fedguy889]

I imagine the streets of PA shall be full of open carrying folks. Could really careless that they do it (since its allowed here), but I see no point in it (other than:"to express our god given rights" I think is what one told me). Before I became an LEO I always concealed and still do off duty.

[1042 Trooper]

Fortunately, every day is open carry day here. Tain't no biggie and most don't even blink at a hip rig in open sight.

No need to afraid of big, scary guns. If you must be afraid, be afraid of the guns you don't see. Be afraid of the nutjobs out there who laugh at all of this because they will carry and kill whenever they feel like it. Fear them.

Not good citizens who want to protect themselves.

[fedguy889]

Originally Posted by 1042 Trooper

Fortunately, every day is open carry day here. Tain't no biggie and most don't even blink at a hip rig in open sight.

No need to afraid of big, scary guns. If you must be afraid, be afraid of the guns you don't see. Be afraid of the nutjobs out there who laugh at all of this because they will carry and kill whenever they feel like it. Fear them.

Not good citizens who want to protect themselves.

Great post!!

[CruiserClass]

While you may think its pointless, open carry marches were a big step in getting CCW for Ohio. While questionable tactically, its gold politically.

Guns are tools. Some people are too dumb to operate a band saw, ditto guns.

[ray8285]

The second amendment does not say "right to keep and carry a gun wherever you want".

[NavyDavy]

Originally Posted by ray8285

The second amendment does not say "right to keep and carry a gun wherever you want".

It also does NOT say you can't.

[1042 Trooper]

Originally Posted by ray8285

The second amendment does not say "right to keep and carry a gun wherever you want".

"....shall not be infringed."

Pretty much means anytime I want, to me.

[DOAcop38]

Originally Posted by JSODEP5338

Hey, if someone wants to be the bullet trap when the brown stuff hits the fan. More power to them. Maybe it will give me a few extra seconds to draw my concealed firearm and seek cover.

Smart answer !!! people forget that while all those "good citizens" are doing it, the knuckleheads-those without substantial criminal histories prohibiting them- will do it also.are we going BACKWARD as a society? schools aren't worth a crap and americans are struggling to make ends meet,BUT havin' a hog leg is gonna' make things a better"... yeah sure(what next? "stand back deputy, me and clem is gonna ' have us a shoot out ta' solve this issue!"). Keep your weapon concealed ,go about peacefully,and when that FOOL that decides there's no cops around and he,even she "thinks" you are a prime target for crime,SURPRISE THEM. having an "open carry" will surprise NO ONE! they "plan" on how to attack police officers and security personnel who are open and visibly carrying,they'll only plan on HOW to get the avg citizen thats armed- being CCW gives you that "polite" edge.......

[CruiserClass]

Originally Posted by DOAcop38

Keep your weapon concealed ,go about peacefully,and when that FOOL that decides there's no cops around and he,even she "thinks" you are a prime target for crime,SURPRISE THEM. having an "open carry" will surprise NO ONE! they "plan" on how to attack police officers and security personnel who are open and visibly carrying,they'll only plan on HOW to get the avg citizen thats armed- being CCW gives you that "polite" edge.......

You guys are kinda missing the point. Carrying an empty holster isn't exactly the best self defense plan, either, but its part of their plans on the web site.

They aren't advocating open carry as a means of self defense, they are advocating a concerted effort to show significant public approval for the 2nd amendment and disapproval for the countless infringments made against it.
Ohio had open carry parades when they were trying to get a CCW law passed, and encouraged out of staters to attend with empty holsters as they couldn't legally carry like Ohio residents could.

Again, this is politics not tactics.

[ray8285]

Originally Posted by NavyDavy

It also does NOT say you can't.

But most states have laws which do limit but not eliminate said right.

[ray8285]

Originally Posted by 1042 Trooper

"....shall not be infringed."

Pretty much means anytime I want, to me.

Sorry troop, have to disagree...a little. Your rights to carry are infringed upon, by state law and by citizens who own businesses. The state can tell when and where a weapon may be carried, concealed or not.

In MO unless you are LEO you cannot take a weapon into a school. Most cities have laws restricting your "right" to carry openly. It falls under intimidation. If someone complains about you carrying openly, you just became a suspect in a report and you have to remove the weapon.

Not saying this is way it should be, just the way it is. Hopefully the USSC will give us a good ruling to clarify.

[1042 Trooper]

Originally Posted by ray8285

Sorry troop, have to disagree...a little. Your rights to carry are infringed upon, by state law and by citizens who own businesses. The state can tell when and where a weapon may be carried, concealed or not.

In MO unless you are LEO you cannot take a weapon into a school. Most cities have laws restricting your "right" to carry openly. It falls under intimidation. If someone complains about you carrying openly, you just became a suspect in a report and you have to remove the weapon.

Not saying this is way it should be, just the way it is. Hopefully the USSC will give us a good ruling to clarify.

Oh, to be sure. I'm not saying they aren't (illegally, in my opinion), I'm saying they shouldn't be.

One of those, "If I ... were the King ... of the fore-e-e-e-e-st..." fantacy moments!

[ray8285]

Originally Posted by 1042 Trooper

Oh, to be sure. I'm not saying they aren't (illegally, in my opinion), I'm saying they shouldn't be.

One of those, "If I ... were the King ... of the fore-e-e-e-e-st..." fantacy moments!

I shudder to think what USA would be like if I were the boss....

[DAL]

Originally Posted by Nonsequitur

What the heck are you talking about? Enlighten me with the code and section...

It is illegal to carry a loaded firearm in an incorporated area (12031 PC), and illegal to carry a concealed firearm (12025 PC). Actual open carry of an unloaded firearm is legal, questionably un-wise but legal (except for certain circumstances, school zones etc.).

The "open carry" movement is about carrying a loaded firearm openly. What is the point of carrying an unloaded weapon?

If you carry openly, you have to submit to an inspection of your weapon by a police officer, and failing to do so is probable cause for arrest. So these people would be hassled even if they carry an unloaded.

[1042 Trooper]

Originally Posted by DAL

What is the point of carrying an unloaded weapon?

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[Nonsequitur]

Originally Posted by DAL

The "open carry" movement is about carrying a loaded firearm openly. What is the point of carrying an unloaded weapon?

If you carry openly, you have to submit to an inspection of your weapon by a police officer, and failing to do so is probable cause for arrest. So these people would be hassled even if they carry an unloaded.

Have you even visited opencarry.org? BTW nice one, you totally dodged my response to justify your stance that it is patently illegal without a permit, by taking a new direction "...is about carrying a loaded firearm openly. What is the point of carrying an unloaded weapon?"

To me there is no point to carry unloaded, but sadly I think sometimes these open carry supporters know the law better than some LEO's (just because it is their personal crusade)... They even have an informational pamphlet about what is legal and illegal in CA. With that said, they know they can't carry openly loaded in an incorporated area, and will carry unloaded with ammo in the pocket just to prove a point and sometimes bait unknowing LEO's into gloriously inserting their feet into their mouths. I have known some (LEO's) to jump in with both feet and their heads up their rears, so before you end up on youtube making a very public mistake, please read up on the actual law and know the boundaries...

EDIT: BTW they know they will get hassled and that is sometimes part of the ploy, often they will just do it to see how long it takes before that eventual encounter. Not sure about your DA, etc but in your scenario arresting for a naked 148(a)1 PC (resisting, delaying, obstructing) just would not fly with any of my supervisors or the DA's office and regardless would be a cite and release misdemeanor anyway...