Anyone use M1T (methyl-1-testosterone)?

[elchorizo]

While I was stationed overseas, I picked up some M1T. From what I understand, it's now illegal for sale here, but not considered a controlled substance. I've heard positive, 10 lb gains in muscle mass in 2 weeks, and negative, it's brutal on your liver. I was just wondering if anyone had any first hand knowledge of it's pro/cons. I've read that stacking milk thistle or some other liver detoxifier helps, but not sure how much to take with 10 mg of m1t. Upon further research, I have found a website claiming that M1T is a schedule III, which would effectively kill my interest in it. Anyone know if there is truth to this?

[MountainCop]

Originally Posted by elchorizo

While I was stationed overseas, I picked up some M1T. From what I understand, it's now illegal for sale here, but not considered a controlled substance. I've heard positive, 10 lb gains in muscle mass in 2 weeks, and negative, it's brutal on your liver. I was just wondering if anyone had any first hand knowledge of it's pro/cons. I've read that stacking milk thistle or some other liver detoxifier helps, but not sure how much to take with 10 mg of m1t. Upon further research, I have found a website claiming that M1T is a schedule III, which would effectively kill my interest in it. Anyone know if there is truth to this?

It's a Schedule III Controlled Substance per the DOJ Office of Diversion Control website http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/sc...hed/sched3.htm

[livestrong6]

Originally Posted by elchorizo

While I was stationed overseas, I picked up some M1T. From what I understand, it's now illegal for sale here, but not considered a controlled substance. I've heard positive, 10 lb gains in muscle mass in 2 weeks, and negative, it's brutal on your liver. I was just wondering if anyone had any first hand knowledge of it's pro/cons. I've read that stacking milk thistle or some other liver detoxifier helps, but not sure how much to take with 10 mg of m1t. Upon further research, I have found a website claiming that M1T is a schedule III, which would effectively kill my interest in it. Anyone know if there is truth to this?

Thats one of those famous Pro Hormones that have been banned by congress a few years back because of the big uproar in performance enhancing drugs. Methyl 1-testosterone, or 17aa-1-testosterone, is the methylated version of the steroid 1-testosterone. Making it a Pro hormone. That's why it was legal to sell it in the US because it wasn't considered a steroid. A few years ago you where able to pick this Pro hormone up at your Local GNC. Now since it is related to 1-testosterone you have to worry about it being Toxic to the liver. NO long term testing has been done on this. However, Alcohol is toxic to the liver. Their are many web sites out there that explains this stuff. Just type Methyl 1-testosterone in google or your favorite search engine and you'll get all the info you need. That's where I got this stuff from.

Now if you look at the products that are out now that has hit the market. All of them are Pro hormones to the Hormones that have been Banned and yes they are legal. The Fitness supplemention market is a billion dollars strong and they will find a way to make there money. Take at your own risk.

[Matt218]

I used this about a year ago after hearing about the gains. From my understanding (which very well could be wrong) a pro hormone is way different from an anabolic steroid, although pro hormones have anabolic effects.

I gained about 20lbs in the two weeks I took them, but I was also intaking about 4500 calories and lifting every day. I lost about 5 of those pounds, and stopped working out after finishing them just to see if I would loose it all, which to my surprise I kept 13-15lbs of it. The rest was either water or just the 5 that I figured I would loose.

I had anger issues and at times felt invincible, I really wouldn't suggest taking them as it gave me some bad acne for about a month and the sweats, on top of the irritability and the feeling that I was about 5 seconds away from flipping out.

Look into the testosterone boosters for something a bit more natural and not as bad for you.

[livestrong6]

Originally Posted by Matt218

I used this about a year ago after hearing about the gains. From my understanding (which very well could be wrong) a pro hormone is way different from an anabolic steroid, although pro hormones have anabolic effects.

I gained about 20lbs in the two weeks I took them, but I was also intaking about 4500 calories and lifting every day. I lost about 5 of those pounds, and stopped working out after finishing them just to see if I would loose it all, which to my surprise I kept 13-15lbs of it. The rest was either water or just the 5 that I figured I would loose.

I had anger issues and at times felt invincible, I really wouldn't suggest taking them as it gave me some bad acne for about a month and the sweats, on top of the irritability and the feeling that I was about 5 seconds away from flipping out.

Look into the testosterone boosters for something a bit more natural and not as bad for you.

A pro hormone is the chemical that triggers a reaction that produces your bodys own system to produce more testosterone. If you have more of the building block you can produce more buildings.

[ProWriter]

It's been illegal for almost a year now. I posted the FDA Warning Letter explaining that's it's a steroid on thisOld Thread. I also tried it and it worked way too well NOT to be.

[livestrong6]

Originally Posted by ProWriter

It's been illegal for almost a year now. I posted the FDA Warning Letter explaining that's it's a steroid on thisOld Thread. I also tried it and it worked way too well NOT to be.

Until the bill was passed in congress it was considerd a pro hormone in the Eyes of the FDA. Something that is a building block or an ingredient to that substance is just that. What it really is, a methyl group has been added to the c-17-alpha position of the original testosterone molecule. In which made it a prohormone in the eyes of the gov or I should say a nutritional supplement. With the passing of that bill all these products became illegal and labeled as steriods. Remember they where doing this at the time of the MLB hearings and if Congress wanted pass a bill to take over drug testing in MLB they would need to have these compounds labeled as a steriod to ban players. If it wasn't in any law they wouldn't be able to ban them. It was just the first step to regulate testing in baseball at a governmental level.
M1T is probably the closest one to a Real steriod I have heard about. Usually their has to be a chemical break down somewhere to release chemical reactions its design to do. This thing just turns into one through digestion.

I read that FDA warning letter and That product is NOT the same as M1T the poster is talking about. M1T has a Methyl group added to the testosterone molecule altering it. The Product in the FDA letter is a synthetic steriod, or Designer steriod. Two different things. However, that is interesting that you got that letter. Legal Gear is now LG science and they are selling Methyl 1 D with totally different ingredients. Ya the internet search engine is a wonderful tool.

[Scott677]

I used it here recently( found bottle from before it was banned) I loved it, my strength gains went up about 40 pds on bench and 20 on curls, 30 on deadlift. I had no side effects or feelings of invincibility. I wish the congress would come off of it and quit telling us what we can take and not take. just my opinion.

[JSD73]

methyl 1 T was the most potent legal "anabolic steroid" you could get. Aside from severe lethargy, which many suffered, it was good stuff. The first actual prohormone that came out was androstenedione, followed by the 19Nor Andros, then 1AD, 4AD, 1 Test, then M1T. Again, for a legal supp at the time it was damn good....Superdrol was pretty good as was Pheraplex and I miss 5AA as well.

I agree, it ain't none of Congress' business what supplement I can and can't take. Hell, I had about 5 bottles of M1T and other designer steroids and I sold em to a brother officer.

[underthefloat]

I did three cycles of M1T the last year that it was legal. By far the biggest gains i have ever seen. I did not notice any irritability however it varies with different people. It should not be illegal. The focus on my workouts was amazing. I did not stubble across M1T until after ephedra was banned however I always wondered what kind of amazing shredded gains I could get with a M1T ephedra based product stack. M1T was so much cheaper than any of the worthless supplemnts we are now left with after all the bans. Twenty dollars a cycle.

[quedog02]

i hope you guys are taking some liver support for mit

[FutureLE]

I see several of you saying it should be legal... Im not taking sides here, but it is an anabolic steroid.. So do you guys think steroids should be legalized (again) for adults?

[PittsburghKid]

Originally Posted by livestrong6

What it really is, a methyl group has been added to the c-17-alpha position of the original testosterone molecule.

Usually their has to be a chemical break down somewhere to release chemical reactions its design to do. This thing just turns into one through digestion.

The Product in the FDA letter is a synthetic steriod, or Designer steriod. Two different things. However, that is interesting that you got that letter. Legal Gear is now LG science and they are selling Methyl 1 D with totally different ingredients. Ya the internet search engine is a wonderful tool.

Livestrong6 pretty much got it covered. However I wouldn't consider any of the "supplements" on the market today anything less than a non-tested synthetic or designer steroid. In my opinion and what Ive come across, they are completely designer. Metheyl Masterdrol (MM) was discussed on here not too long ago, there is a post somewhere. I saw someone else mention Phere-plex. Halodrol was another. All of these are methylated steroids, which is why you see them for so long and they are no longer available. With MM, you could take Methyl 1-P with it and make really nice gains without the water weight. Last year, M1-P was banned, as a designer steroid if Im not mistaken. In its place right now is EST's Methyl Bol, same exact compound, only converts as a "diol" instead of a "dione" like P did. Methyl 1-D I dont believe is anything worth your money. I dont think ANY of these are worth your money because of the danger of the Methylation of them. Its true, people gain alot on them, but they also dont understand the problems they will face down the road.

The thing is this, being that they are "pro hormones" or synthetic steroids, no matter what they really are, you need some sort of SERM which you are only gonna get thru a perscription or illegally if you want to keep you gains, i.e Nolvadex or Clomid. Reason being, regardless of what is said on the label, your natural Test production will shut down or at the very least come close. LG Sciences' Formadrol is only an AI and it only blocks the formation of estrogen by not allowing aromatse to bind to testosterone and converte. Problem is, once you would stop taking the bottle of it, your body is gonna spike the formation of the enzyme that converts Test to Estrogen and your test should dip pretty low, causing those really nice gains to be lost. Whereas a true SERM will bind and not allow it to convert, but still allow your body to produce estro that it needs

The Methyl added to these products is there for a reason; to allow the drug to convert to what it has to during digestion (which Livestrong mentioned) before the liver destorys it. The issue there is that your liver enzymes increase, which is bad and is part of the reason it begins to kill your liver, like alcohol does, only this is a little more harsh. People buy these for the quick gains and the good feeling they get, but the result is that you will have serious issues in the future if you kept them up. Liver detoxes are helpful (Cycle Support has everything you would need, Milk Thistle etc.) but aren't 100% bullet proof. One poster said he took M1T 3 different times in 1 year.....I would say that is a disaster that COULD become a serious reality years down ther road at that rate. MM, Halodrol, M1P, M1T, Pheraplex, SustEvol (This is TERRIBLE, 3 Methyls in one) Methyl Bol. All of them and others are synthetic steroids, don't kid yourself about them being pro hormones. They are more dangerous to take in the long run that the real steroids. At least if those are taken right, they could be considered safe, but they are illegal now.

My thinking, if you haven't tried these but are planning on it, get your bloodwork done before you start and after, so you can see the differences in liver values and how bad it really is hurting you. Also keep in mind, at some point you have to aquire perscription drugs to truly keep what you are gaining and protct yourself. How you get it will be a good topic for your BI if you are becoming a cop. Even though they are "legal" now, look at their predecessors. If they were similar and banned, so will yours. Trust me on that. You dont want to screw up your body just to bulk up. There are plenty of other ways.

Originally Posted by livestrong6

Now since it is related to 1-testosterone you have to worry about it being Toxic to the liver. NO long term testing has been done on this. However, Alcohol is toxic to the liver

The Methyl is what makes it toxic to the liver, not the relation to the 1-Test

Didnt mean to get so deep, but Id rather see everyone stay healthy than screw up theirselves in the future.

PittsburghKid

[ateamer]

I do believe steroids should be legalized. They don't cause all the damage the dillholes at Sports Illustrated claim. And don't anyone go yelling "Lyle Alzado", because his doctors stated that they could not say steroids caused his brain cancer. Alzado was the only one who believed that, and even that is subject to questioning. Many believe he died of AIDS, as he was a heavy recreational drug user, highly promiscuous and rumored to be bisexual.

I don't see the harm in steroids. If they are used sensibly, they are safe. I know of people who have used for 30 years or more with no ill effects - it's all about common sense. The doses that pro bodybuilders are using, no way, though.

I just turned 40. I've never used steroids, but if they were legal and affordable, you bet I would. I just wouldn't compete in drug-tested powerlifting competitions (note I didn't say drugfree - there is no such thing as a drugfree sport).

[quedog02]

miT is on the same scale as d-bol and a-bombs, it is not that it is methlayted my freind its that fact that all of this is a class 17-alpha-alkylated, which is very toxic to the liver. So with that said milk thistle aint gonna do if you wanna take any orals that is a class-17-alpha-alklated you need to take a product like liv52 which is one of the best liver support forumlas out thier, not your run of the mill liver cleanse is going to do it becase the orals are way to toxic you need to take something to combat that toxity.

[JSD73]

To answer the question do I believe steroids should be legalized....the answer is a resounding yes. There is a big difference between intelligent and monitored usage and stupid irresponsible ABUSE. In fact, both the DEA and AMA went before Congress prior to steroids' illegality and testified it should not have been placed as a Scheduled Drug.

I also have known people who have used steroids, and yes some are harsher than others, for many many many years and I've known those who were plain stupid and abused them with no bloodwork done and suffered some health problems. Bottom line is, as you get older your own hormones dissipate and adding in more testosterone would only serve to help you and your energy levels along with muscle mass (which also deteriorates with age) and that is not a bad thing.

As far as Alzado goes, he died from injecting human growth hormone which was taken from cadavers' pituitary glands...Crutzfeldts Disease.

[RwHJR3]

I would watch taking pro-hormones unless you know what your doing. You'll need proper PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) i.e: Milk Thistle, all your liver supports. If you dont come off the PH's properly there is a good chance to lose your gains along with getting some gynocamastia (bitch tits) and worse of all, a complete loss of Libido, which you'll have to find the proper supps to take to get your junk to work again. There are good subsitutes out there that you can get good mass off of. Look into some Non-Hormonal Stacks such as Jungle Warfare/BAM, Hyperdrol 2, etc. As long as you eat properly, and train hard...then you'll get good gains.

[itnstalln]

Originally Posted by RwHJR3

I would watch taking pro-hormones unless you know what your doing.

I think that would exclude everybody...

Sure some of that stuff works, but they ALL have nasty side effects. If tinkering with your bodies hormone systems were safe how come no reputable health or fitness organization recommends their use?

[FPD GUY]

I tried many different prohormones when they were legal. The last thing I tried was Methyl 1-test stacked with 4-AD. I saw great gains in strength and size. The only downfall was a little lethargy and a slowed down libido ( don't get me wrong, I could still seal the deal but was generally too tired to attempt). I don't think prohormones are even in the same league as anabolic steroids.

[JSD73]

M1T aka methylated 1 testosterone is quite simply an anabolic androgenic steroid. It was made in regards to a loophole in the Steroid Act of 1990 as was Superdrol (methylated masteron), halodrol (Oral Turinabol), Pheraplex (can't remember it's sister steroid but it's methylated) and Prostanzolol (which was a weaker form of winstrol)....these were ALL genuine oral steroids that made it around the loophole and yes, they worked very very well.

Prohormones of the past, 1AD 4AD 5AA 1T and so forth...no, they didn't come close to AAS but the newer now banned ones, well they were the real deal.

[FPD GUY]

Part of the problem with prohormones was the small minority who were taking 3-4 times the recommended dose. These were the same guys wondering why their hairline was receding and their nut were shrinking.