www.perverted-justice.com

[VeritasAequitas]

I was absolutly disgusted after visiting that site... I couldnt even read 1/2 of what was posted... Just a reminder of how sick and ****ed up some people are.

I really hope that the powers that be find a way to even things out, and those sick ****s will get what they diserve...

And on a side note, I feel that the parents need to do a better job with their children and spend more time with them... I dont think a kid from a healthy family would be on the net and looking for comfort from a 35 year old pervert who makes it clear that he wants to have sex with a 12 year old girl...

SICK!!!!

[extraaccount]

I'm in utter shock that ANYONE would defend pedophiles... that's wrong. What's more important to you? Privacy of your sick morales or the innocence of a CHILD. Anyone who is against this site seriously needs to reconsider what they are fighting for, because you're wrong. If you don't agree with me, too bad, because you're wrong. End of story.

What is utterly shocking to me is anyone who even posts at a police forum would not accept that some anonymous thugs on the internet accusing someone of being a pedophile does not make them one. So I could claim you are a wannabe pedophile and post your family's personal information and you think that is acceptable? That is EXACTLY what those at perverted-justice.com do. They have a chat with someone using a screen name. Then they have that person call. Then they use the phone number to trace all kind of information about that person. There has been quite a few times they have had the wrong information. Hell quite a few of them, they can not even find the right address for. Yet to say this type of vigilantism is wrong makes me a bad person???

Every REAL police officer at these forums KNOW that a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. A police officer can actually witness a guy robbing a bank and they still have to call him the alleged perpetrator. That is because he has rights. Perverted-justice.com does not care about rights. I am not defending pedophiles- I want them all to rot in jail once they are found guilty in a court of law. But I am saying that even those accused by some anonymous thugs on the internet have a right to face their accuser in a court of law, the right to remain silent, the right to be judged NOT by a bunch of cyber terrorists but rather by a judge or a jury, all of whom have to be held accountable if they make mistakes.

Those at perverted-justice.com HAVE made plenty of mistakes and HAVE broken laws, yet there is no accountability because they are anonymous, so they can do anything they want and get away with it.

If you think that is alright, then I sure as helll hope you go back to class and learn about people having actual rights-- rights that MUST be upheld.

And a note for PhilipW: I know why you have not put at PJ site up in Canada yet:
http://www.canlii.org/ca/sta/c-46/sec163.1.html

Definition of "child pornography"


163.1 (1) In this section, "child pornography" means

(a) a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means,

(i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or

(ii) the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of eighteen years; or

(b) any written material or visual representation that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act.

Just something to consider-- and for everyone else:
There is documented proof that there has been THREE contributors at perverted-justice.com (that is known of so far) that were between the ages of 15 and 17 years old- meaning 15 to 17 year olds going into chat rooms having hardcore sex chats with adults in their 20s, 30s, and older-- and yet nobody out against that?

What is this world coming to? I stand up and say people have rights and am accused of defending pedophiles, yet noone seems concerned that teenage children have been working for perverted-justice.com going out having hardcore sex chats and watching men masturbate on webcam.

I sure hope that some police officers at this forum actually take the time to check out the information I have posted or check out http://www.corrupted-justice.com because they have been reporting it to the FBI who is actively investigating.

I do NOT condone, support or even like the fact that guys would prey on minors online or offline but am even more angered that Xavier Von Erck (the owner of perverted-justice.com) would KNOWINGLY use minors to have sex chats with adults and then not even report them to the police!!

[CGPD4566]

What is utterly shocking to me is anyone who even posts at a police forum would not accept that some anonymous thugs on the internet accusing someone of being a pedophile does not make them one. So I could claim you are a wannabe pedophile and post your family's personal information and you think that is acceptable? That is EXACTLY what those at perverted-justice.com do. They have a chat with someone using a screen name. Then they have that person call. Then they use the phone number to trace all kind of information about that person. There has been quite a few times they have had the wrong information. Hell quite a few of them, they can not even find the right address for. Yet to say this type of vigilantism is wrong makes me a bad person???

Oh, I apologize. When you put it like that, I was totally out of line... you can go ahead and call me all you want, fact of the matter is, no one put a gun to my head to solicite a child online, no one put a gun to my head to give out my phone number. If you don't want certain information possibly out on the internet...DONT GIVE IT OUT. You can have NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY if you're giving out your phone number over an online chat client in my opinion. I never said you were a bad person, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. I said anyone who defends a pedophile, WITH EVIDENCE BEHIND THE ACCUSATION, is sick...I-N M-Y O-P-I-N-I-O-N.

But I am saying that even those accused by some anonymous thugs on the internet have a right to face their accuser in a court of law, the right to remain silent, the right to be judged NOT by a bunch of cyber terrorists but rather by a judge or a jury, all of whom have to be held accountable if they make mistakes.

Yes, you're correct...if in fact they were being prosecuted which they aren't, so basically your point is moot. Nice zinger though, it would work if they were being prosecuted. If you don't want to be "judged" by a bunch of "cyber terrorists" when they have chatlogs of you soliciting sex to a minor...STOP IT. Don't do it, and you won't have that problem......ever......

You have rights, you have this and that in America, but when you do it online you wave those rights. If I want to be private about something, I wouldn't use a medium that is vastly spread over the internet, especially if it was this such topic.

What is the world coming to? The world is full of sick and twisted *******s and the panzies who stand up for them. You do not have a very convincing case in my eyes to play your role as a "mediator" while expressing your views. It's fine to stand up for rights, but do it when it should be presented. No one gives two ****s about your rights when you solicite a kid online. When it goes to court, I would stand by rights as much as anyone else, but those rights do NOT have to be upheld if you willingly throw them away.

my 2

[extraaccount]

I am busy right now but hopefully within a week I will have time to respond properly- I appreciate your response but when I respond I will provide you with proof that they do NOT target the bust who had the illegal chat (which I am not defending, he may have rights but so do the minors they are preying on) but they DO target neighbors, co-workers, bosses, and spouses and children of busts. So if you think because Joe Schmoe down the street had an illegal chat, that means I have to endure being harassed and having my rights trampled on, you are sadly mistaken.

Like I said above, I will compose something polite, and factual that you yourself can click on a link to prove, which will show that the "busts" are not the only ones getting harassed-- alot of innocent people who are around a bust are getting harassed, including the children of busts. But if you think that is acceptable to have hundreds of anonymous cyber terrorists calling a neighbors house harassing them, and harassing a boss into firing a "bust" , then I sure hope you are not wearing a badge.

Oh and for the record, PeeJ has 17 thousand plus members MOST OF WHICH signed up, made an initial post (a requirement to see the forums) and then never came back to the PJ site after that. So the majority of their members are people who joined to see what it was about and never came back, they have about one to two hundred AT THE MOST who actually support them and do the harassing, threatening, intimidating, and all the other stuff they are so proud of.

[S/O245]

i heard about them on the cincinnati news when the preverted justice.com group turned in a cincinnati lawyer and he was arrested i belive he was convicted and sent to prison. He was doing something very wrong and probably also thought he was above the law and he found out different. maybe he will stay in prison maybe someone will Censored so he dont come back out of prison. I dont think child rapists should get jail time. But thats a personal opinion of it. But what i hate to see is a court that gives a bad prison term to a person convicted of such crimes. Some of the terms given are a joke and they judge should be arrested for allowing such things to happen. Some judges in my book are too crooked and need to be locked up.

[Delta784]

i heard about them on the cincinnati news when the preverted justice.com group turned in a cincinnati lawyer and he was arrested i belive he was convicted and sent to prison. He was doing something very wrong and probably also thought he was above the law and he found out different. maybe he will stay in prison maybe someone will Censored so he dont come back out of prison. I dont think child rapists should get jail time. But thats a personal opinion of it. But what i hate to see is a court that gives a bad prison term to a person convicted of such crimes. Some of the terms given are a joke and they judge should be arrested for allowing such things to happen. Some judges in my book are too crooked and need to be locked up.

Gotta love it when a criminal defense lawyer goes down.

http://www.cincypost.com/2004/12/16/and121604.html

[10-36]

A lot of blather about nothing. From the most recent bust at Perverted-Justice:

This conviction marks twelve convictions in the last ten months. We are especially pleased of the fact that all twelve convictions have come in twelve different states, showing exactly how wide our cooperation with police is. We are very pleased to have a rate of more than one conviction a month over the last ten months, and hope that this rate only continues for the future. With increasing LE contacts month by month, we can only believe that these successes will continue for years to come.

It may be just me, but one would think that after working with 12 different agencies (and all the agencies required to get these scum to court etc.) in 12 states in such a short period of time would be commendable. To get 12 convictions in that time is rather envious.

I would also think that if there was anything hinky about Perverted-Justice one of those agencies would have caught on and not followed through with the investigation and laying of charges. The resulting media attention must also be attracting a rather close look from various agencies, yet we hear no complaints.

Nope, IMHO, Perverted_justice is doing an excellent job and is living up to their stated principles quite well. They deserve whole hearted encouragement.

[r_nevermind]

I'm a mother of three young girls, the oldest of whom is 12, and I totally support what "PeeJ" is doing. I also feel, however, that if parents spent more time with their children, monitoring their internet usage (mine don't spend one minute without my husband or me there), then the sort of thing that "PeeJ" does would be unnecessary!

Also, I thought extraaccount said that he wouldn't post anymore! You sound like an enabler to me. Do you have children?

[BreakinChains]

yeah these guys/gals teamed up with my local news and when people came to the door they filmed them. Sad to say one was a reserve police officer. Some sick people out there.

[personallyjulia]

10-96

Great site... I will post it as a favorite, right after I throw-up!!! God these people are so evil, so sick!

[jasc451]

maybe the reason you should be throwing up isn't because of the site but the people that are posted there.

[extraaccount]

First, to show confirmable proof that Satine was a minor when she was going into chat rooms having sex chats with men in their 20s, 30s, and 40s and in several cases watched them masturbating on webcam, see here:
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/20...ice/index.html

Written Sept. 15, 2003:
Article says:

"Satine," an 18-year-old college sophomore who lives in Oregon, pretends to be a 13 to 15-year-old girl in Yahoo's regional chat rooms.

but then states:

"Obviously, they're not actual pedophiles," says Satine, who since joining the effort in August 2002 as an unpaid volunteer has made more than 20 such "busts."

but then her first bust was January 1, 2002. So she was doing "busts" in Jaunuary 2002, yet didn't start until August 2002?? Further, she turned 18 on July 16 2003. So that means in January 2002, she was 16 years old and she did one "bust" when 16. She then did fifteen other busts when she was 17 years old which means she did 16 busts total (had sex chats that were posted on the perverted-justice.com website) by the time she hit her 18th birthday. These are not numbers I am pulling out of a hat-- myself and others have been actively investigating perverted-justice.com for more than a year, and turning ALL of the information over to law enforcement agencies, including the FBI agencies in four different states.

Now, it is longer than what I wanted to take to respond, but as for them targeting predators only-- that is not true. Here is just one of several instances in which they targeted the wrong man:
**Please note: In this first example, the person's last name has been edited out to protect the falsely accused**

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*edit- The Seattle Times reporter is NOT 'our' Matt *******.

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CONFIRMED: THE MATT ******** AT THE SEATTLE TIMES NEWSPAPER IS NOT OUR PERV. PLEASE LEAVE HIM ALONE.

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CONFIRMED: THE MATT ******* AT THE SEATTLE TIMES NEWSPAPER IS NOT OUR PERV. PLEASE LEAVE HIM ALONE.
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Houston area minors lured away by online "friends" have increased to over one a week

Of the missing teens, 8.6 percent ran away after meeting people on the Internet.

Me: wow...want some lasagna?
soonerjustice781 : umm no thanx, i'm gonna burst

Even after stating over and over that this is NOT the right person, she goes and sends this to the a newspaper staff member:

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Originally Posted by RainDog
Do we know anything about Matt's job yet?

I will be e-mailing the Seattle Times. Test of message to follow once it is sent. I will report back any response I get. Please, let's not inundate the ST with emails.

Since this is still the last message, I'll edit this in:

After running the maze of the Seattle Times website, I found an e-mail address for the ***** ***** (as well as the listing for Matt ****** as a reporter in the ****** department). Here is the e-mail I sent:

Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:55:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: "&lt;name edit&gt;" &lt;&lt;name edit&gt;@yahoo.com&gt; Add to Address Book
Subject: Is this your colleague, Matt Peterson?
To: ******@seattletimes.com


Dear Ms ******;

I am a visitor at a website called Perverted Justice
(http://www.perverted-justice.com/). The goal of the
website is to expose adults who try to use the
internet to entice minors into sex. Recently a person
in your area named Matt ****** was posted for having
a chat with a person he believed to be a 13 year old
girl. It was noted that there is a ***** reporter at
the Seattle Times by the name of Matt *****. We
have not confirmed that the man who had the chat is
the Matt ***** at your paper, but Matt the chatter
did send the "girl" a photo of himself, as well as
many other pieces of personal information including
his home phone number (206-***-****) and his home
address (**** *** Ave *, Seattle, WA ******-****). We
invite you to view the photo and the chat to see if
this is your colleague.

The content of the chat logs can be very adult in
nature and rather disturbing. It is our hope that by
exposing these people to the internet community, as
well as their own, that we can prevent children from
being used and exploited for some adult's selfish
purposes.

You can read the chat log here
http://www.perverted-justice.com/?archive=*******.

Please take your time to look at the website. I would
especially like to direct your attention to the FAQ
and Info for Police links at the top of the page as
well as The PeeJ Guide For Parents and First Time
Visitors in the right hand column.

Please give the site a thorough look so you can be
confident that this is a legitimate and serious
website, not a prank or means for people to get petty
revenge.

If you have any questions, you can contact me at this
e-mail address.

Sincerely,
A concerned Mom of 4 daughters

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LISTEN UP PEOPLES!

CONFIRMED The Matt ******* at the Seattle Times is NOT the perv.

Here is the correspondance I received from the sports editor at the Seattle Times:

Subject: RE: Is this your colleague, Matt Peterson?
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:11:23 -0700
From: "***** ******" *****@seattletimes.com&gt; Add to Address Book
To: "&lt;name edit&gt;" &lt;&lt;name edit&gt;@yahoo.com&gt;


&lt;name eidt&gt;:

I am confident this is not our Matt ******. It is not his photo,
phone or address. He's a very honest, sincere young man who works his tail
off here, is not married and not 29.

The name is common, unfortunately, and I would hate to have him stained
with suspicion for this. I have talked to him and passed the email on
to him as well.

Thank you for bringing it to our attention. It is horrifying, and I
commend you for watching out for this kind of abuse.

**** *****

And my reply:

Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:14:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: "&lt;name edit&gt;" &lt;&lt;name edit&gt;@yahoo.com&gt; Add to Address Book
Subject: RE: Is this your colleague, Matt *****?
To: "***** *****" ******@seattletimes.com&gt;


Thank you for your reply. I will let it be known that
Matt ***** at the Seattle Times is not the man from
the chat. I hope the actions of his namesake do not
cause him any grief.


Can anyone who posted anything in regards to the Matt ******* at the Seattle Times please edit their posts and add something to the effect of:

CONFIRMED: THE MATT ******* AT THE SEATTLE TIMES NEWSPAPER IS NOT OUR PERV. PLEASE LEAVE HIM ALONE.

...thank you....
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How many times do they have to say that the person is NOT the right person before they stop harassing the wrong person???

[extraaccount]

another one? Sure thing:
http://web.archive.org/web/200410152...0&nav=0RePJ7u4

quoting part:

MILWAUKEE (AP) - It's a website created to expose suspected Internet predators. But the site could be targeting innocent people, as a Milwaukee bank teller found out.

Molly Brady got a threatening call from a man who said her phone number was posted on the website as a sexual predator. So, Brady typed her phone number into an Internet search engine and found it was linked to a site called "perverted justice."

Okay, okay-- another example so you get the point, they do NOT have correct information on their website:
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache...ertorque&hl=en

3. To: FatherTorque (#0)

http://www.perverted-justice.com/ind...gaslicker89014

I would like my image taken down immediately! this is a model for my site

this is the massage I have sent you.

you are destroying this mans image, he is not a pedophile! as in the story on http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/20.../index_np.html, clearly the girl take an image from anyplace she can, this clearly shows that not only are the images of the pedifiles fake, but now the so called victoms are fake, I would hate to have mt childs image being sent as a teen looking for sex. you are clearly creating hurting a lot more people that just the alleged pedifiles

your whole site goes by the premise that the image your pedophiles use are theirs, how do you validate there images?

you should really rethink about posting images of people, god for bid if my model should get attacked from your site claiming he is a pedophile.

here are two links to show you, if you need me to dig up more photos of my model to prove you have the wrong image to your pedifile

http://www.gaytshirt.com/catalog2/im...bFT02_pic6.jpg http://www.gaytshirt.com/catalog2/im...bFT07_pic1.jpg

if this is not taken down by Monday I will get a lawyer to sue for damages.

Bill Horton http://www.gaytshirt.com

wmhorton posted on 2004-03-06 10:06:08 ET Reply Trace

That is just SOME of the information we have collected directly proving perverted-justice.com targets the wrong people and has the wrong information posted on their website.

And while I am here, I will post proof that they track down information and post it for all to see, on the CHILDREN of busts. INSTEAD of contacting law enforcement to protect those children, they post the information on their easily accessible forums so any pervert or predator can read it and find children-- I have edited out the child's name for posting here-- I would also like to make it known that Xavier Von Erck (not his real name), owner of perverted-justice.com himself, has posted on his website stating that pedophiles DO read their forums, and in one case one admitted pedophile was posting in their forums debating the pedophilia issue. (I of course have all of that saved also):
From the followup forum thread on the bust:
http://www.perverted-justice.com/?archive=by_tor69

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WOW and he has a 2 yr old. these guys never stop amazing me. will get to work and see what i can find

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This is the white pages link that lists 4 *******.
http://www.smartpages.com/whitepage...ds&amp;*******

We just need to find out which one Jason lives at (the Jason that has a 2 year old son named T*******)

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I tried searching a few places....


but here is my thought- "how many T***** ******'s can there be that were born 2.5 years ago?"

Does anyone know how to look up birth records?
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&gt;&gt;&gt; UNCONFIRMED &lt;&lt;&lt;

Searching for a birth notice in the newspaper there
for T****** ******* yields

http://tinyurl.com/2o4fp

which indicates child DOB on or around Sept-**-2001
in the paper shown.

Perhaps it's available in a library somewhere, might
name mother, father and son and help confirm other
info.

Good Luck.

Now, that bust, not only kept whipping his penis out on webcam in front of his 2 year old son (the child they are tracking down info on) but the bust also had a bowl of drugs sitting within reach of the child, and those at perverted-justice.com did NOT report it to police OR even child protection services.. Is perverted-justice.com really what you want to believe is protecting children?? People can not seriously be that naive, can they??

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I'm in utter shock that ANYONE would defend pedophiles... that's wrong. What's more important to you? Privacy of your sick morales or the innocence of a CHILD. Anyone who is against this site seriously needs to reconsider what they are fighting for, because you're wrong. If you don't agree with me, too bad, because you're wrong. End of story.

For the record, I am not defending pedophiles as yourself and most PJ supporters claim. I am stating that perverted-justice.com uses illegal, unethical tactics, and is untrained and does not report each bust to law enforcement, which is what they should do.

EACH BUST posted at perverted-justice.com should be behind bars, not having their children, neighbors, bosses, co-workers, family members, etc. getting harassed and stalked.. THEY SHOULD BE BEHIND BARS, and further, so should those who use 16 year olds to solicit sex from adult men over the internet for posting on their websites, and having 16 year olds watching adult men masturbate on webcam.

Plain and simple. PEDOPHILES who solicit sex from minors online should be BEHIND BARS, since soliciting minors for sex is a federal crime.

I am sorry those at perverted-justice.com do not feel that those who break federal statutes should be behind bars. Some of us want to ensure criminals are behind bars where they belong, not just having their kids, neighbors, bosses, etc. harassed. But I guess it depends on a persons own morals-- if they feel federal crimes are up to them to decide what punishment should be dealt out, then I guess they should keep up what they are doing. I for one, want to ensure each bust gets locked up for many years, not just harassed into changing usernames so they can prey on more minors. I actually care about protecting children from predators, not just making predators uncomfortable.. But hey, that is just me..

[extraaccount]

I'm a mother of three young girls, the oldest of whom is 12, and I totally support what "PeeJ" is doing. I also feel, however, that if parents spent more time with their children, monitoring their internet usage (mine don't spend one minute without my husband or me there), then the sort of thing that "PeeJ" does would be unnecessary!

Also, I thought extraaccount said that he wouldn't post anymore! You sound like an enabler to me. Do you have children?

Actually, I am not a biological parent but had spent ten years raising kids for parents who were unable to raise their own kids; So I have been in a parenting role and am furthering my education in child psychology field. So I DO understand how to protect children just fine.

No, I am not an "enabler", but I am a concerned citizen who at first thought perverted-justice.com was a wonderful thing-- I really did. But when I looked into their forums, and saw the names, addresses and even DMV records and social security numbers of people other than the bust (such as DMV records of family members of a bust and DMV records of everyone with the same last name as a bust) I decided that something was just not right. So myself and several other people got together and started to "compare notes" as to what we saw going on at "PJ". We decided to speak out against it, and investigating to find the TRUTH.

What is the real name of perverted-justice.com owner? The one who posts the claims that these busts really had these chats, and claims that they have pedophilic thoughts? It is NOT Xavier Von Erck. That is a pseudonym. A fake name. He is anonymous. If I claimed you were a pedophile, wouldn't you want to know who I am so you can face your accuser? Under the Constitution of the USA, you HAVE that right. You really do. Don't worry, I am not accusing you of anything other than not digging deep enough before you decide PJ is a good thing.

I will be glad to give you my real name too. I am not anonymous, nor is anyone at corrupted-justice.com, the site of concerned citizens who have spent more than one year investigating the activities of perverted-justice.com. You want facts? Go here:
http://www.corrupted-justice.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=43

that link will give you things we feel are wrong with perverted-justice.com, and actual verifiable links and proof of what we feel is wrong with PJ. Not just us saying "they did this and did that", but actual links and information on how to find each and every single thing that is claimed so you yourself can verify it yourself, on the PJ forums, and in news articles, and in independant articles written about PJ.

I really do not want you to take my word for it that PJ is untrained, unethical and engages in some illegal activities. I want you to be responsible enough to verify everything yourself. I want you, before you say PJ is a good thing, to know what REALLY goes on at PJ.

As someone who has been in the parenting role, yes, I wanted to know if my neighbor is a predator, so I can better protect the kids in my care, but I would not want 100 different people calling me anonymously saying "beware of the boogy man".
Most do not even give their real information when they DO contact law enforcement, as evidenced by this post by someone at PJ:
From the perverted-justice.com followup forum for the bust "spongebob_giantdick" (I didnt pick the username, so sorry that it has a foul word in it):

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I have a "name" and cell number I give to goverment agencies when they request it.

Not my name, and the cell number can be changed at any time.

It does give you a sense of credibility when you have a name to give, and a way they can get you if they need to.

But...is is PERSONAL CHOICE. I do not advocate that others do as I do. But it hasnt been a problem yet.

So even when they DO involve government agencies, they do not give their real names and use a disposable cell phone number-- they want to make accusations but do not want to be held accountable if they are wrong (which by my other posts, you can see that they ARE wrong in more than one occasion).

They are cowards-- there is only one who is not anonymous and that is because his screen name is his real name. The rest are anonymous and nobody is able to face their accusers.

As a parental figure, I want to teach the kids in my life that they have to be held accountable for their actions. The PJers have hacked the corrupted-justice.com forums three times, and on a separate occasion, "Xavier Von Erck" stole the identity of Scott Morrow, the owner of corrupted-justice.com in order to trick the server host into resetting passwords so Xavier could illegally gain access to the forums and private messages, which he took, and then posted on the perverted-justice.com sister site which was corrupted-justice.NET. So Xavier himself (using his own IP numbers, no proxies) illegally stole an identity of Scott Morrow to illegally gain access to the corrupted-justice.COM forums, and due to him beng anonymous, how can he be held accountable for that? He thinks he can't, but the FBI has received a report with all evidence including all server logs and a statement from the server host.

That is what is sad-- don't you want your children to learn how to be responsible for their own behaviors and choices? Or do you want them to grow up in a world where anonymous people can destroy their lives and not be held responsible for it if they make a mistake? I sure hope you are teaching them to accept responsibility for their actions and to accept whatever consequences there are when they do something wrong or bad.

I HATE PEDOPHILES- I can not stress that enough, and have spent many years online helping to put child exploiters and child predators behind bars. There are other activists, (one being Julie Posey, who is a world famous online activist protecting children) who have spoken out against perverted-justice.com. Even law enforcement officers have stated that they can impede actual law enforcement investigations.
Read this:
http://www.govtech.net/magazine/story.php?id=91688

"We call them vigilante sites," said Sgt. Dave Jones of the San Diego Police Department's Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force.

and also from the same article:

Law enforcement officials are skeptical, though.

Jones of the San Diego Police Department said his Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force takes tips from anyone, but that information must be confirmed by law enforcement. Evidence provided by groups such as Perverted Justice is almost useless, he said. "It's actually more work for us than if we find the leads ourselves because we have to go back and redo everything they did to confirm what they did."

and:

Jones said he's worked cases where Perverted Justice got in the way of criminal investigators. "We've had them hit on undercover operations we were going on," Jones said. "Law enforcement has gone back to them and said 'Hey, we're working this site. Back off.' They basically go, 'Screw you. We're doing what we want.'"

and:
[QUOTE]"It's sleazy," said C

[10-36]

So let's see....they just got conviction #15. And the ever so anonymous Xavier and a anonymous contributor had to show up in court, in another state, with the trip paid for by the DA.

Now that's taking anonymous to a brand new level.

Conviction #15 was a different one. Convicted for threatening the anonymous Xavier and the anonymous contributor. But also told to get sexual perversion counselling because of his chat.

I wish I was so anonymous that a DA would fly me to another state, at thier expense and let me bring some of this scum down.

15 convictions! By an anonymous group! Some LEO's would like those stats.

This just in - an arrest in Trenton NJ. The second time the Trenton police have worked with perverted-justice.

This is the second arrest Trenton police have made after working with volunteers from Perverted-Justice.com. In December, they arrested Benjamin Brown of Trenton for attempting to meet what he thought was a 13-year-old girl at a West Chester junior high school.

And the lawyer that is mentioned above...a real winner that one. Also a poster bot for the pro-pedo group (cj.com) who tried to protect him. Read about him here:

http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs....WS01/505180351

[angelsabove911]

All I have to say is .. No online sites are safe and helpful to anyone that has been abused . As I am a victim ,When I got my PC you tend too search the web and then you meet people and you talk and then you find out people are not who they say they are .Or you think a site is nice only to find out that it has nasty stuff on it . We had a site that you can download music and stuff well when my stepson told me it had other stuff I got ready of it .Their is so much out their and it is not easy to get rid of it .1 get busted and closes another site goes up . This is all over the world .They can't even watch the PEDOPHILES that are out on the street ... look at the past months and the children that have died. My God .. their was 1 that was just released and I called to find out were he was at and they had no clue.I had to make tons of calls for 2 weeks and finally they found him .They said they were not able to find him because he had 3 alienness id numbers.Well ,he could of skip town and State in 2 weeks .We all know the programs need to be improved but I don't see it happening .
We just have to watch what is out their and we know what is right and wrong , If you need to turn them in do so .Never give up thinking the system is not going to work ,and what is the use .
I felt that way and still do at times but I keep going .I just get sick of the run around and feel the abuser has more rights then I do .But I did not fight for 16 years for nothing it was for the safety of others as well as myself and family .
We can't get rid of it all but we can stop some ..

Have a great day all
angels

[djack16]

www.perverted-justice.com is EXACTLY why vigilantism can totally mess up an innocent person's life.

I am ALL for catching pedophiles but I will NEVER sacrifice the rights of any American to do it. These sickos will be brought down by the rules of our nation and not by the rules of an inaccurate web site. They should be doing this privately to protect all parties involved; especially the suspect's family members.

And to label people pedophiles because they don't agree with the vigilante practices of this web site deserves great shame.

CGPD...everybody must have their rights. Sick-f**k, pedophile or not. I'd like to rip their freaking heads off for taking advantage of children like that but it isn't going to happen. They will be put through our system and locked up and I can live with that. Good luck cashing in your 2

[djack16]

My previous post isn't to deny that I am happy about real pedophiles who were caught. Hell yea. That is awesome. There are other considerations though besides just catching the suspect.

[extraaccount]

All I have to say is .. No online sites are safe and helpful to anyone that has been abused . As I am a victim ,When I got my PC you tend too search the web and then you meet people and you talk and then you find out people are not who they say they are .

angelsabove911, I am sorry to hear that you were victimized-- I am a survivor of severe sexual abuse myself (maybe that is why I take harassing preditors instead of locking everyone of the 1000+ perverted-justice.com "busts" up in prison as seriously as I do), but I can tell you that there really IS a place where you can feel safe online and seek support, advice, etc. about the abuse issues. Many years ago (about 8 or 9 years ago now) I used to belong to a Usenet support group that was wonderful, but there were so many perverts who would pose as caring people to get details of abuse-- so they petitioned for and succeeded in creating a moderated group-- and the love, support, advice, guidance, etc. is overwhelmingly positive there. I left their after I had begun to actually heal and grow, but many of those who are far along in abuse recovery still stay to help those new to recovery. There really IS life after abuse. Here is a link in case you want to check it out-- I would have tried to send it privately, but decided that it might be uncomfortable to get emails or private messages from a total stranger, so here is the link and my apologies if this post is off topic.
Link is at:
http://asarmcenter.asarian-host.net/

[extraaccount]

10-36,
I would like to point out somethings you said that make me think you are an avid supporter of perverted-justice.com, and that may be why you are sticking up for them.
You wrote:

So let's see....they just got conviction #15. And the ever so anonymous Xavier and a anonymous contributor had to show up in court, in another state, with the trip paid for by the DA.

First, I never said they were in a different state- I dont think anyone has, and that was only posted about on the perverted-justice.com site.

I wish I was so anonymous that a DA would fly me to another state, at thier expense and let me bring some of this scum down.

Once again, the details of them flying out (and pictures of the airport) were only posted on the perverted-justice.com and angrygerman.com (Xavier's homepage) websites. That means one of two things-- one is that you know enough about Xavier to know what his homepage is, or two, you read the perverted-justice.com site avidly enough to find the one specific page and/or thread in the forums where he discusses his trip. What dedication.

15 convictions! By an anonymous group! Some LEO's would like those stats.

Yes, but I can quote a whole bunch of articles where actual LEO's say that perverted-justice.com has ruined some of their legitimate cases, where perverted-justice.com admins are not cooperating with authorities, and where perverted-justice.com tactics are not endorsed by LEOs and are just dangerous. If you wish, I will be happy to compile them for you.

This just in - an arrest in Trenton NJ. The second time the Trenton police have worked with perverted-justice.

Yea, lets hope this one pleads out before it gets to court or else there will be yet another predator roaming the streets. So far, their chat logs have NOT held up in a court of law in front of a judge or jury. It has been pleads of guilty and convictions for other things (such as parole violations for other unrelated charges, threats made to Xavier, child porn found on the computers, etc) but NEVER for the actual chat logs.

Not like it would matter-- they have had at least 1009 "busts" thus far-- that is over one thousand predators-- and only 15 got punished? Hmm.. seems like going to law enforcement with them is the right thing to do. The few that they actually took to law enforcement, the predators were actually dealt with (but how unfortunate for the families of the guys in jail-- I have actual documented proof from the perverted-justice.com forums itself, which prove that while the predators are in jail, those from perverted-justice.com harass via phone and mail the family members and neighbors and bosses of the predators, dishing out their own perverted justice before REAL justice can even take place-- they are actually perverting justice). Real nice of them to harass the wife of a guy in jail-- yes, they must be heros.

And the lawyer that is mentioned above...a real winner that one. Also a poster bot for the pro-pedo group (cj.com) who tried to protect him. Read about him here:

http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs....WS01/505180351

Actually I am not pro-pedo and I am from corrupted-justice.com-- and damn proud of it-- somebody has to stand up for rights when anonymous wannabe terrorist thugs harass innocent people (family members of busts, neighbors of busts, bosses and coworkers of busts, etc.) and besides-- isnt it supposed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not in front of some anonymous wannabe thugs? And doesn't the Bill of Rights allow us to face our accusers? How can that happen when they are some anonymous thugs from around the country who are too cowardly to stand up for what they truly believe in?
Oh and for the record, how do you know if we helped that lawyer? Only someone with access to our hidden forums would know anything about that, and since when our site was hacked from IP numbers that match the static IP numbers of the perverted-justice.com server, that would lead me to believe you know a lot more than what you are letting on.

Yes, people-- someone using the perverted-justice.com IP numbers posed as the owner of corrupted-justice.com, even used his name (identity theft) to send a letter to our server host claiming they need the passwords reset so they could illegally gain access to our servers. The only details of the busted lawyer (and no we were not helping him) were posted in our hidden forums, which along with that illegal entry into our server and forums, our site was also hacked three additional times. Actual hacking-- the FBI in Houston Texas is currently investigating it. So, how would you know about what we did or did not do unless you yourself have had access to our stolen data?

Please answer.

Thanks for reading this.

[10-36]

I am an avid supporter pf any organization dedicated to removing child predators from circulation. By any means.

they just got conviction #15.

I am corrected - they now have 16.

Once again, the details of them flying out (and pictures of the airport) were only posted on the perverted-justice.com and angrygerman.com (Xavier's homepage) websites. That means one of two things-- one is that you know enough about Xavier to know what his homepage is, or two, you read the perverted-justice.com site avidly enough to find the one specific page and/or thread in the forums where he discusses his trip. What dedication.

I have no idea what you mean with this paragraph. Are you implying that the entire story was made up? That perverted justice conspired with a DA, the courts and the media to score some more points?

I read hundreds of pages on the Internet everyday. I have read most of the perverted justice site and the site of garbage that you refer to. I have also read another site of garbage that you also belong to. (more on that in a moment).

Since you spend such a great deal of time promoting perverted justice and Xavier, any fool with two fingers could do a google and find all the info they needed. Including massive amounts about you, and your past.

So far, their chat logs have NOT held up in a court of law in front of a judge or jury.

Actually you are wrong there. One conviction was based on the transcripts provided by perverted justice. Just the transcripts alone.

threats made to Xavier, child porn found on the computers, etc) but NEVER for the actual chat logs.

On the recent conviction for uttering threats, the perp was also ordered into sexual deviancy counselling because of his chat logs. If the state had a better law then the "travel to meet" then the perp would have faced much stiffer charges. As it was, the DA did an excellent job in getting this hairball into court and charged and registered.

So wrong again.

(but how unfortunate for the families of the guys in jail-- I have actual documented proof from the perverted-justice.com forums itself, which prove that while the predators are in jail, those from perverted-justice.com harass via phone and mail the family members and neighbors and bosses of the predators, dishing out their own perverted justice before REAL justice can even take place-- they are actually perverting justice)

This entire statement is so stupid that it boggles my mind. I would say that if the perp is in jail then real justice has been done. I would say that once arrested then the path to real justice is underway.

As for the contacting of those around the perp, let me tell you, if a perp lived next door to me, then damn right I would want to know. I would thank who ever called, and his friends if they called again. I would watch my childrten much more closely, and watch the scumbag closely also.

How can that happen when they are some anonymous thugs from around the country who are too cowardly to stand up for what they truly believe in?

This seems to be your favorite rant. However, courts do not allow anonymous testimony exept in very special circumstances. Plus the media attention afforded a number of people at perverted justice, not only in the US but in Canada also. Where is the anonymity?

Oh and for the record, how do you know if we helped that lawyer? Only someone with access to our hidden forums would know anything about that,

Because you are not a very bright man. Other then the fact,, you just admitted it, on the other stupid forum you post to, you openly admitted to helping the lawyer. That was about the same time that the article appeared detailing what a danger to children this lawyer was. Expect another conviction.

Yes, people-- someone using the perverted-justice.com IP numbers posed as the owner of corrupted-justice.com, even used his name (identity theft) to send a letter to our server host claiming they need the passwords reset so they could illegally gain access to our servers.

In fact you stoop to stupidity. Do you have any inkling about how hosting companies work? Do you have any idea at all how hard it is to do what you state above? It is in fact impossible. How do I know? It is my job to know such things. Do you have any inkling how stupid the above statement makes you look?

So, how would you know about what we did or did not do unless you yourself have had access to our stolen data?

The information I post is readily available all over the internet. Including news stories.

You are also paranoid it seems. Anytime any one disagrees with you, points out the fallacies of your arguements, or simply posts a reply to you, you start on about hacking and break ins.

It makes no difference. Your agenda is pretty clear. Your dedication to it, may be commendable, but your methology, and the cause are very suspect.

[angelsabove911]

angelsabove911, I am sorry to hear that you were victimized-- I am a survivor of severe sexual abuse myself (maybe that is why I take harassing preditors instead of locking everyone of the 1000+ perverted-justice.com "busts" up in prison as seriously as I do), but I can tell you that there really IS a place where you can feel safe online and seek support, advice, etc. about the abuse issues. Many years ago (about 8 or 9 years ago now) I used to belong to a Usenet support group that was wonderful, but there were so many perverts who would pose as caring people to get details of abuse-- so they petitioned for and succeeded in creating a moderated group-- and the love, support, advice, guidance, etc. is overwhelmingly positive there. I left their after I had begun to actually heal and grow, but many of those who are far along in abuse recovery still stay to help those new to recovery. There really IS life after abuse. Here is a link in case you want to check it out-- I would have tried to send it privately, but decided that it might be uncomfortable to get emails or private messages from a total stranger, so here is the link and my apologies if this post is off topic.
Link is at:
http://asarmcenter.asarian-host.net/

Thank You ... I have healed alot thro the years but you can never forget and it comes up at times . Like with me getting a letter that he was getting out and only had less then 2 weeks to do what I had to do .Then I get what I needed only to be told other bad news .Some may feel it's not but you put your self in our shoes.He was deported to Canada which was great but little that I knew he goes their with a clean slat... does not have to register with the registery , and he can travel .I understand he did not do anything in Canada but he was not in jail for 15 years for nothing .He convected with DNA .I hope no child comes near him and it just makes me sick to know that the parents or any1 around him will not know until something happens .


{{ I would have tried to send it privately, but decided that it might be uncomfortable to get emails or private messages from a total stranger, so here is the link and my apologies if this post is off topic.}}
Talking about it help me alot it does not bother me because I wasn't the 1 who did anything wrong .Also I don't feel it was off topic .. it fits right in .I feel we need to get a Nation wide registery all this is all the more to fight for 1 . I have tons of links & will be getting involed with United Way .. I'm sure we will get a Petition out their soon . All we can do is fight untill we get it .

Thanks again
angels

[extraaccount]

angelsabove,
in real life (as opposed to online) these things tend to hit a little too close to home. Predators are everywhere-- there is no way for anyone to deny that fact. There are predators that prey on the vulnerable-- the elderly, the mentally challenged, and the children. Society DOES have to wake up to the fact that it could be anyone-- the bum wandering down the street, or the man in the business suilt living right next to us. Education is the key, and reporting ALL people who commit crimes, or even attempt to commit a crime.

I feel in some ways that the registeries violate certain rights, MOSTLY due to the fact that they are not really as helpful as they SHOULD be. As one case one showed us, a 19 year old man had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend, even though they were dating for three years and engaged to be married when she turns 18, is put on a registry-- so is the man who grabs a child at the mall, forces her into the bathroom and rapes and beats her. both on the same registry. Both with convictions for rape of a child. Is that 19 year old a danger to children? Of course not, but the law, is the law, is the law.. Most of the registeries do NOT differentiate between the rape of a 1 month old child and the consentual sex of a 19 yr old with his 16 yr old fiance. And therefore are, in my opinion, dangerous. If they are going to have public registeries, they should be responsible enough to write them in a way that we know who we have to watch out for. Would I worry about having my daughter around that 19 yr old? Of course not.. But he is branded for life, due to the law.
I worry that by not telling us on the registeries what age the victim was we are branding people for life, when they may not deserve it. I despise all abusers..Please do not think I dont.
But I feel it needs to be better handled, and I think it should be a WORLD WIDE registry in some manner, and this is why:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8007512/
Headline is:
"U.S. sex offender, convicted drug trafficker ran Sri Lanka orphanage"

I feel your pain and please feel free to contact me in email any time if you need to talk or want to discuss anything.

Good luck to you.

[10-36]

19 year old man had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend, even though they were dating for three years and engaged to be married when she turns 18, is put on a registry.....I worry about having my daughter around that 19 yr old? Of course not

So he was 16 and she was 13 at the beginning? What the hell were the parents thinking?

I can assure you that if a 19 yo was hanging around having sex with my 16 yo then I would have plenty to say. I would likey start with the toe of my boot up his ***.