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AlaskaAl
05-23-2008, 08:58 PM
* FIRST - I wasn't there, so I'm NOT second guessing or laying blame to anyone, only expressing a concern.

I felt a little ill while reading an article on this site earlier this morning. The article was about a Houston, TX police officer who died in 2006 after being shot four times by an apprehended suubject who pulled a firearm (9mm) from his waistband while in the backseat of the officers' patrol car.

I was sad to hear of this event, but even more sad and disheartened to hear of the lawsuit threatened by the officers' widow (also a HPD officer) to force HPD to have 2-officer cars; citing her husband would not have died if another officer was in the car.

Who REALLY believes this besides her? The HPD union supports the lawsuit but I believe they're just backing up the idea of 2-officer cars and AMEN for that. I love having somebody else in there, too.

No. If two officers were in the car and the events went down as they did, maybe TWO officers would have died. The report says the gun was in the subjects waistband. This says to me that the search was rushed, the officer didn't get 'personal' in it, or maybe is was not done at all. How many of us have seen the CA Shefiff video of the man who had shot at officers, got caught ("without the gun"), detained, transported, booked, placed in the interview room by a detective, and within minutes blew a tunnel through his head with a semi-auto he pulled from behind the zipper of his jeans? Remember the detective's comments: "...nobody shook him." Ya think?

I've ****ed off a few coworkers by doing "secondary" searches. They call it "secondary"; our agency requires we search everybody when we get them. I've found two knives and miscellaneous drugs on my searches.

My heart truly goes out to the Johnson family, Mrs. Johnson, Officer Johnson's five children, his mother, other family, his HPD family and friends for his loss. I only ask that we respect his memory and think of our own memory, family, and LE family, and make sure we do our job - EVERY TIME - and, as the lawsuit suggests, we work to improve our own safety by means of more personnel, better equipment, and better support... from ALL sides.

Stay safe out there.

Resq14
05-24-2008, 12:56 AM
Some guys laugh and roll their eyes when they see my scan a BG with my Metal-tec detector after being cuffed, then follow-up with a hands-on search.

It's one of the most important things that can be done, imho.

cantue5
05-25-2008, 03:04 AM
Not exactly sure how to feel about this one...concerning the HPD lawsuit...I think it is always good to have another set of eyes on a situation but who is to say that the extra pair of eyes would have caught the gun. Sometimes officers get careless or rush a situation and it doesn't matter how many people are around. My department was part of the turd who blew his brains out and there was 3-4 different departments that were involved that didn't search him and trusted the officer before him when he was handed off. Some officers get offended when I search turds after they have searched them but I ignore them because when my safety is at stake I take few chances. I understand why she is pursuing the lawsuit but who's to say it would have made a difference. It would seem to me that the department as whole might need some reinforcement on the importance of officer safety more than anything else. I am sad to hear about the wife's situation and I hope that her actions are carried out with the intentions that she is trying to improve her department and not as retribution for what happened to her husband. What is going on with the turd who shot the officer....is he facing a dose of his own medicine?

cantue5
05-25-2008, 03:05 AM
Sorry double post...computer acting up. :mad:

AlaskaAl
05-25-2008, 02:09 PM
UPDATE: The May 22nd story from Officer.com "Cop Killer's Sentence Angers Houston Police" gives more light to the case and the recent judgment - LIFE without parole.

http://www.officer.com/web/online/Top-News-Stories/Cop-Killers-Sentence-Angers-Houston-Police/1$41510

cantue5
05-27-2008, 02:53 AM
Great....now the taxpayers have to pay for this turd to eat, sleep, and breath :mad:. Looks like the wife has good intentions on her actions. My department rolls solo as well and back up can be anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour away. I wonder if this guy got any "love" on his way to the jail? I saw picutes of the suspect that shot the DPS officer and it looked like he got tuned up pretty good. My heart goes out to the wife and her family.

inveich
06-11-2008, 08:40 AM
I always followed what the county jail said at my last duty station, we transported soldiers that we apprehended that had warrants out for their arrest..."In God We Trust, In All Others We Search." You can be as through as possible, and still miss something....Ft. Hood policy was search before transport, search at pmo before booking. But if someone else searched bg or not, I always searched, b/c I too to have found misc drugs, knifes, even a firearm...........I told a guy once that I apprehended, I'm searching you now, your going to be transported to the PMO where you will be searched again and booked, then I will search you again before I put you back in my car and transport you to the cty jail, where you will be searched again. Then when the agency with the warrant comes to get you (a dif cty) you will probably be searched by the officer/deputy, and then transported to that county jail where you will probably be searched again. He was very cooperative and said "you guys have a job to do and want to go home to your families, I understand." Poor guy wrote a bad check for .97......warrant said he couldn't just pay the money, had to be booked, etc.......