Mta Vs Nassau Pd

[NorwichCadet]

I've been in the process with the MTA Police and learned a lot about them and what they do through my fridsn and meeting other MTA guys etc etc. You nkow there schedule is fixed each year it only changes once. You work only 3 days a week. Either 7AM-7PM or 7PM-7A... Free commuting to work and a very good salary. Top Pay is a little over 85K. The Salaray on the current website is old and a new one will be in affect July for recruits and seniors. I know Nassau is defniitely going to call me within 2 years no question about it i got a 90. Is it worth it for me to go to Nassau after i start MTA? I"m not being sarcastic at all about any of this i'm being fully serious. All i ever wanted to be was a cop doesn't matter what dept i'm in but MTA and Nassau PD aren't to far apart no benefits unless i'm missnig something with NAssau that would dominate MTA that i'm not aware of. I know a lot of ppl in the SCPD..NYPD...Secret service UD....not many in Nassau. so am i missing anything

[John2008]

Put it this way, just because NCPD calls you to process you for the job doesn't mean you will get the job.

[NorwichCadet]

Put it this way, just because NCPD calls you to process you for the job doesn't mean you will get the job.

i undestand that but im just curious abuot my future. You know seeing options in the future

[John2008]

i undestand that but im just curious abuot my future. You know seeing options in the future

I say go into MTAPD and if Nassau calls you and hires you then go into NCPD, the most important thing is to have your foot in the door some where. Because once you're in a good agency then you can be picky about where else you would like to go. My best friend works for MTAPD and it's a great job, I want to work for them if given the chance.

[gbotj]

well NCPD's chart orange is probably the biggest benefit. MTAPD has something similar but you will make more appearances. My cousin is on NCPD and I hang out with him every single day, and hes off more than he works. His average is about 9 days a month hes at work. One of the guys he works with left MTAPD as a Sgt to be a Nassau Cop.

There is a few +'s to NCPD over MTAPD. Morale is definately higher at NCPD, with the MTA you have the old LIRR cops who dont even view themselves as "real police". The type of police work is 100x different. Sure with MTA you will handle basically the same type of calls but it will be all RR related. County PD's arent too friendly with MTAPD because half the time MTAPD doesnt cover its post (not their fault, one PO could be assigned to cover all of LI so it might take a half hour to get somewhere). NCPD top pay is 117k and advancement is ten fold from MTAPD.

By the way with a grade of 90 you will be called this year. I've been poking around in headquarters and from what Im being told by chiefs they are going to reach almost EVERYONE who PASSED. If you got in the 70's you have a shot.

I found out the highest grade was 98 with vets points (no 100's) and only 9,000 people took the exam. In 2003 they had grades over 100 and 17,000 people took the test.

[gbotj]

by the way


MTAPD is a GREAT job. Probably in the top 5 in the state, just in my opinion NCPD is a much better job. Mainly because its a municipal police department and more traditional type law enforcement. Also remember MTAPD is not civil service so job security is not as good as NCPD.
Take MTAPD while waiting for Nassau.

[Cadet2020]

MTAPD vs. TBTA ....which one would you choose if had the chance...

or PAPD vs. MTAPD??

[gbotj]

cadet.....tough one man.
I'd rather be on MTAPD over PAPD though.

[NYPDtoGrey]

MTAPD vs. TBTA ....which one would you choose if had the chance...

or PAPD vs. MTAPD??

MTAPD over TBTA,

and PAPD over MTAPD

[gbotj]

it really depends. MTAPD over TBTA I can see that but with PAPD you will work either NYC or NJ. If you live on LI then MTAPD would be the much better choice you can work LI, make the same money (MTAPD is 85k, and PAPD is 86k).

Both great jobs, and so is TBTA. You really have to talk to people on MTAPD (probably not gonna be hard to do that since your already on TBTA) and talk to PA PO's.

[NorwichCadet]

MTAPD vs. TBTA ....which one would you choose if had the chance...

or PAPD vs. MTAPD??

TBTA??

[gbotj]

Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority

[GoldBadge]

MTAPD over TBTA,

and PAPD over MTAPD

Yep, and NCPD over all of 'em!

[NorwichCadet]

Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority



ohhh i havce 3 family members who are SGTS in there. They like it a lot because they live in brooklyn and it's right down the block from where they live. Becoming a SGT is a lot easier then any other department. You need 2 years in to become a SGT. But the test is not easy either. Its not more about rules and regulations and its more about safety issues..math.. temperature pressure complicted stuff etc etc

[NorwichCadet]

oh and Also TBTA is part of MTA but there not police officers. They can't even arrest people. They can detain them. Like whenever they get a DUI guy they obviously pulled him over on the bridge cuffed him....but they have to wait for NYPD to meet them at the location and take them away.

[Stackit02]

oh and Also TBTA is part of MTA but there not police officers. They can't even arrest people. They can detain them. Like whenever they get a DUI guy they obviously pulled him over on the bridge cuffed him....but they have to wait for NYPD to meet them at the location and take them away.

With 3 SGT's in the family, you would think you would have correct information? Saying they can't arrest someone is completely false.

[Back to NYC]

oh and Also TBTA is part of MTA but there not police officers. They can't even arrest people. They can detain them. Like whenever they get a DUI guy they obviously pulled him over on the bridge cuffed him....but they have to wait for NYPD to meet them at the location and take them away.

TBTA Officers are peace officers authorized to carry guns and make arrests. If they stop you for DUI or whatever and cuff you, they are arresting you. They then "turn over" the arrest to NYPD for processing (central booking, etc.). TBTA are still the ones making the arrest, and when it comes time for court, they will appear as the arresting officers and testify and whatnot.

[gbotj]

oh and Also TBTA is part of MTA but there not police officers. They can't even arrest people. They can detain them. Like whenever they get a DUI guy they obviously pulled him over on the bridge cuffed him....but they have to wait for NYPD to meet them at the location and take them away.

Negative. TBTA makes arrests. They arrest transport and process the prisoners themselves then they bring them down to central booking and turn the prisoner over to corrections.
TBTA also has statewide jurisdiction and is not limited to TBTA owned property.

[JackieBoy]

No offense to the other agencies and their officers - they're all great agencies and very difficult to get onto. But in my opinion, PAPD is little bit more prestigious. Remember, these guys protect dignataries and the president and other officials when they fly in to town, as well as they are cross trained as police officers, firefighters, & EMS when something happens with a plane in the airport or a train in the subway system or whatever wherever. That's why their retiree's are clocking six figure pensions.

Yep, and NCPD over all of 'em!

[darkhelmet]

No offense to the other agencies and their officers - they're all great agencies and very difficult to get onto. But in my opinion, PAPD is little bit more prestigious. Remember, these guys protect dignataries and the president and other officials when they fly in to town, as well as they are cross trained as police officers, firefighters, & EMS when something happens with a plane in the airport or a train in the subway system or whatever wherever. That's why their retiree's are clocking six figure pensions.

same with Nassau.. you can make well over six figures with OT etc... In fact I believe Nassau and Suffolk police go back and forth as the two highest paid police agencies in the county.. In terms of being more prestigious i agree that the PAPD is more prestigious than NCPD.

[JackieBoy]

Sorry for the miscommunication. I was not talking about what their current PO's are making with OT (but it is exuberant). I was referring to the pensions their recent retiree's are making. Their retiree's earn six figure pensions. From what I hear, they really take care of their people and they have the best benefits and retirement pension - better than NCPD & SCPD.

same with Nassau.. you can make well over six figures with OT etc... In fact I believe Nassau and Suffolk police go back and forth as the two highest paid police agencies in the county.. In terms of being more prestigious i agree that the PAPD is more prestigious than NCPD.

[darkhelmet]

well the PAPD is 50% no? how is that better than nassau or suffolk.. in fact its the same..

[gbotj]

"But in my opinion, PAPD is little bit more prestigious"


What??? more prestigious than NCPD??? Sorry I dont agree with that. NCPD and SCPD are regarded as two of the greatest police departments in the country, and I've heard of officers leaving PAPD for NCPD and SCPD.

[gbotj]

the retirement is the same and officers make more money in NCPD with no overtime.

Top pay for PAPD is 83k I believe, NCPD is 99k for 2008. I dont think PAPD gets termination checks at retirement, and NCPD does (usually 200k-500k).

[darkhelmet]

termination checks? 500k? please elaborate

[JackieBoy]

Look at post #25 under the "NY/NJ Port Authority Pd" thread.

We can sit here and argue back and forth which is better, but what's that going to do for us if we never make it on. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

the retirement is the same and officers make more money in NCPD with no overtime.

Top pay for PAPD is 83k I believe, NCPD is 99k for 2008. I dont think PAPD gets termination checks at retirement, and NCPD does (usually 200k-500k).

[darkhelmet]

Look at post #25 under the "NY/NJ Port Authority Pd" thread.

We can sit here and argue back and forth which is better, but what's that going to do for us if we never make it on. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

you are right there.. might as well play keno in vegas

[JackieBoy]

Even though PAPD is a bi-state agency, they fall under New York retirement system, so OT is calculated in and they don't contribute from their own paychecks. Plus I believe NCPD is 25 years to retire, not 20. Correct if I'm wrong.

well the PAPD is 50% no? how is that better than nassau or suffolk.. in fact its the same..

[gbotj]

NCPD is 20 year retirement.


a termination check is a check given to you when you retire for all unused sick and I think vacation days. Checks are usually cut for 200k-500k

[darkhelmet]

do you know of any other police agencies that do that

[JackieBoy]

Like I said, everybody's entitled to their opinion. NCPD and SCPD are great police departments and they operate like police departments because that's what they are. The PA is a bi-state agency that operates more like the CIA or FBI. That's the difference. They are more of an "elite" group.

"But in my opinion, PAPD is little bit more prestigious"


What??? more prestigious than NCPD??? Sorry I dont agree with that. NCPD and SCPD are regarded as two of the greatest police departments in the country, and I've heard of officers leaving PAPD for NCPD and SCPD.

[gbotj]

SCPD has the termination checks and I so does TBTA (not sure if its just for Sergeants and Lt's or just all members). With TBTA they only get paid for up to 120 days which right now comes out to about $20,000.

IMO I'd rather work for a municipal PD, PAPD is limited to airport operations. Thats good and all, but its not the same. and I still do not understand how they are "elite" over NCPD and SCPD.

[darkhelmet]

am i right to assume that the nypd does not offer that

[gbotj]

PAPD is great and all, but its not the best in my opinion.
If you think it is, then go for it all the way bro. Cause it doesnt matter what I or anyone else thinks about the job, its what you think.
Good luck with Port PD. Hope you get it, you seem like you really want it.

[JackieBoy]

Thanks, good luck to you as well. Hope you get NCPD or SCPD, you seem like you really want it.:D

PAPD is great and all, but its not the best in my opinion.
If you think it is, then go for it all the way bro. Cause it doesnt matter what I or anyone else thinks about the job, its what you think.
Good luck with Port PD. Hope you get it, you seem like you really want it.

[darkhelmet]

we all know those 3 agencies are very difficult to get into.. good luck to you all.

[gbotj]

NYPD does not offer that because they have unlimited sick leave.


Yeah I want NCPD. My cousin and uncle are on NCPD and they love it, hopefully I can get on there too.

[John2008]

NYPD does not offer that because they have unlimited sick leave.

Also the city doesn't like to pay up if you get hurt on the Job.

[darkhelmet]

Also the city doesn't like to pay up if you get hurt on the Job.

don't you get 80% of your salary TAXFREE if you are injured and can no longer work? I know the FDNY can do that.. same with Suffolk and Nassau

[John2008]

don't you get 80% of your salary TAXFREE if you are injured and can no longer work? I know the FDNY can do that.. same with Suffolk and Nassau

You're suppose to but you will have to fight them for the money, My neighbor got hurt on the job and he's been in and out of court with the city. Because the city surgeons says his fit for duty mean while the man can't even lift a garbage can down to the curve without pain.

[gbotj]

yep and its 75% not 80%

[John2008]

Still waiting for my MTA results, I missed the PAPD test by 3-4months since I didn't turn 21 until Jan

[DOAcop38]

Gentlemen! a little"perspective" here- The conversation seems to come down to " dept X is so b*tchin' and pays so much more" rather than what does it take to get on the job! Frankly ,no matter what dept you go to, you'll find alot of SIMILAR crap - thugs and crime aren't any different, drugs and awful scenes will be there,and the politics also.while salary and perks are important( we all work to eat and live,not live to work), the most important thing is to be in the career you want and have the life style you want to live! Question? WHY "wait" 2-4 yrs for a job that will undoubtfully have TONS of applicants hoping for one spot,when a dept just around the "proverbial corner" is ready and willing to hire you?From following your posts,it seems everyone PANS NYPD due to their low salary( I think its $40K to 65K now?) compared to Nassau or Suffolk Co.PD making up to $100K . but realize this- contracts and salaries CHANGE- and so do WORK ENVIRONMENTS!! You go to that "tawny" dept,and the economy goes bad,or they get a less than supportive local gov't/command staff,and that BIG salary isn't going to wash away the "ash" you'll taste everyday you drive to the job ! Out here on the West coast,alot of applicants get deluded by griping officers and mis information,and tend to look down on such powerhouse Depts like LAPD or further south ,San diego PD ! they fail to see the BIG picture- Depts like LAPD( salary of $55K to $89K/yr) and SDPD ( $52K to $79K/yr) tend to have faster promotions,alot more areas to work job fields,and tend to have the stronger political clout to PROTECT employees jobs and salaries in lean and tough times.Look at the job in terms of what your strengths and limits are,look at the job in terms of what you "think" you want to do while on it or joining it.I know alot of you are younger and want the "action" part -but realize this- IT WILL COME,and often when you neither want nor expect it.

IF you think working a port or airport,a bridge or roadway, or bus /train terminal isn't police work-think again.You'll run into dope,guns,domestic violence and PLENTY of felons that have no problem fighting you ( or worse).
and if you think rolling to house calls is cooler than working the above, that will get OLD real quick after the 10th or 11th "he said/she said" cut and busted lip fest between adults acting like 8 yr olds. Pee bums will still be the same-ditto crackheads( as well as those people who ACTUALLY THINK they write a personal check for your salary every month!).the most important thing to consider is getting thru the process,getting trained and off probation,then working everyday.for your generation -the retirement and medical is of top importance; the $$$ will come,so comparing the salary of a PAPD to a MTAPD to SCPD,to an X,Y,Z PD is meaningless IF you are on the outside "looking in"..............

[GoldBadge]

Like I said, everybody's entitled to their opinion. NCPD and SCPD are great police departments and they operate like police departments because that's what they are. The PA is a bi-state agency that operates more like the CIA or FBI. That's the difference. They are more of an "elite" group.

Man, I've got a lot of good friends on PAPD and they are a very good department, but just because they are bi-state it doesn't make them more elite. They do not operate like the FBI or CIA at all.

Whether you want to hear this or not, many PAPD posts can be pretty boring. You don't answer many calls and there's not much stuff you can be proactive with. At NCPD you answer calls and/or can find your own investigatory stops to keep yourself busy.

Again, PAPD is a great job, but certainly not more "elite" than NCPD.