Native American License Plates

[mdrdep]

Okay bear with me, we don't usually get many indians (native american type at least) in these parts. Yesterday on my way to a call I saw a car with "Cherokee Nation" license plates. Didn't have a chance to really check it out, but my question is does anybody have any knowledge as to their legitemacy?

[Kieth M.]

Ask and you shall recieve...

http://www.worldlicenceplates.com/usa/AI_OKCH.html

I'm 1/4 Osage (a Nation also from Oklahoma), we have our own plates as well. Since reservations can be sovereign "nations" with their own laws, rules, and regs....what better way to get more revenue and keep it in the "nation," than register cars, issue licences, etc.?

[pulicords]

Since reservations can be sovereign "nations" with their own laws, rules, and regs....what better way to get more revenue and keep it in the "nation," than register cars, issue licences, etc.?

Casinos?

[Kieth M.]

Oh, you had to bring that up, did you?

[rangesgt]

How about drivers licenses?

[FNA209]

Ask and you shall recieve...

http://www.worldlicenceplates.com/usa/AI_OKCH.html

I'm 1/4 Osage (a Nation also from Oklahoma), we have our own plates as well. Since reservations can be sovereign "nations" with their own laws, rules, and regs....what better way to get more revenue and keep it in the "nation," than register cars, issue licences, etc.?



:confused:

Who enters them in NCIC? (Or rather what link is available through NCIC?)

How does one run them?

[Paul79]

You usually have to call the specific tribes capital. Cherokee would be Talequah, OK. And so on... Or at least thats what I've been told.

[tbgalileo]

I live in Tulsa and we have plenty of NA tags up here. Some tribes do share NCIC information that will hit when running the tag (usually for stolen), but for some smaller tribes you do have to call the tribal police. What I've found is that if I can't get a hit on a tag a VIN run will usually get a return on them.

As far as their legitimacy, they are recognized as any other tag would be, but unlike the perception of some driving those vehicles that I have encountered, they can be ticketed for any violation since they are traveling on public roadways.

[NorthernBorder]

While there are legitimate tribal plates out there, watch out for these guys:

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Little_Shell.asp?print=true

Apparently they have done quite well selling fake license plates, "citizenship cards", etc over the internet.

Aggressively anti-govt/LE as well.

[GGG]

Aggressively anti-govt/LE as well.


Yep, I made sure I had someone watching my back when I seized one of those guys' van for unpaid taxes. Talking to him afterwards he gave me the whole song and dance about how the gov't did not have the authority to tax, yadda yadda yadda. I was like,"Ok bud. Very interesting. I'll be selling your van at auction to satisy that "illegal" debt."

[mdrdep]

Keith M in that link I found the exact plate, what I didn't see when I went by and what it appears in looking at that link is they work through and are authorized as Oklahoma plates, I wonder if you could just run them as Ok and get a return?

[Kieth M.]

Keith M in that link I found the exact plate, what I didn't see when I went by and what it appears in looking at that link is they work through and are authorized as Oklahoma plates, I wonder if you could just run them as Ok and get a return?

It's worth a try. Does your in-car system get return info for OK plates? Our MDC system did not. We had to visit/call our records unit to run DMV info on out-fo-state plates.

One of the agencies I rode-along with, here, in CO was able to get Ca DMV returns on plates, via their MDC.

[Woofdog]

Okay bear with me, we don't usually get many indians (native american type at least) in these parts. Yesterday on my way to a call I saw a car with "Cherokee Nation" license plates. Didn't have a chance to really check it out, but my question is does anybody have any knowledge as to their legitemacy?



Sure sounds like discrimination on the basis of race...

[GGG]

It's worth a try. Does your in-car system get return info for OK plates? Our MDC system did not. We had to visit/call our records unit to run DMV info on out-fo-state plates.

One of the agencies I rode-along with, here, in CO was able to get Ca DMV returns on plates, via their MDC.


You guys are not getting returns from all 50 states through NLETS? Wow, what a pain in the arse.

[Kieth M.]

NLETS in the station, only. In the car, it's just CA DMV.

[tbgalileo]

Keith M in that link I found the exact plate, what I didn't see when I went by and what it appears in looking at that link is they work through and are authorized as Oklahoma plates, I wonder if you could just run them as Ok and get a return?

Not sure if you'll get a return if you run them as OK. NA plates are not issued by the state of OK and even here in OK we run them separately from our State-issued tags.

[GGG]

NLETS in the station, only. In the car, it's just CA DMV.


Is there a sign at the border informing all out of state criminals that they need to check in at the station?

Sorry, I know it is not something you can control, but it just seems silly. I guess we have it lucky here. I punch in the tag, from any state, and it runs the tag through NLETS, NCIC, VCIN, then automatically runs all registered owners through NCIC, VCIN and the county system for warrants and NLETS for a DMV check.

[Kieth M.]

Is there a sign at the border informing all out of state criminals that they need to check in at the station?

Sorry, I know it is not something you can control, but it just seems silly. I guess we have it lucky here. I punch in the tag, from any state, and it runs the tag through NLETS, NCIC, VCIN, then automatically runs all registered owners through NCIC, VCIN and the county system for warrants and NLETS for a DMV check.

Silly, you say? You have to remember that my former department has to equip thousands of police cars with MDC's.

Thousands of MDC's supplied by the lowest bidder (who, if not, a minority-owned or women-owned business, does absolutely no business with Miyinmar [Burma], and has no employees who are behind in child-support payments), then these thousands of MDC's are installed by maybe six guys, who install them at the rate of 3-4 per day. And don't bother asking if a few Sworn Officers who are wizard electronics guys can be assigned to help install them, that violates union rules. Oh, and yeah, the ones we're installing right now, were obsolete twelve minutes before the shipment arrived at the city's warehouse, where it was promptly wrapped in plastic and not touched until a delivery plan could be developed to roll out the goods. Oh, yes, training...we forgot that...we have to train people all over again to use the new MDC's, which we rolled out, prior to training, leaving many cops staring at a machine with no clue how to use it.

And you want all the systems to work in harmony with one, another? Pigs will fly and airborne monkeys will emerge from my nether regions, when that happens for my former co-workers. It's a little known secret, but the biggest ceremony in LAPD is the yearly changing of the rubber bands for all the department machinery and the application of fresh Scotch tape to hold Parker Center together for one more year! I gave up believing that my department was number one, many years ago. But if we're number one, I'd hate to spend one minute in number two's building, driving their cars, or using their equipment.

Yes, be grateful, all of you, for the equipment and procedures you have sometime. It could be much worse, you could work for LAPD.

Gee, mdrdep, look what you started!:D

[KAA951]

When we run an Oklahoma tag on our MDT you get several response messages- one from NCIC, one from the Oklahoma State DMV and a seperate one that automatically queries the Oklahoma tribal license tags.

I know in Kansas, the Prarie Band Pottawatomie Tribal tags are not in any database you can get to through NLETS. I would guess this is because the state and tribe fought for years in federal court over whether they had the right to issue tags.

[Ralph8119]

I think Florida has every license plate known too man, except, Florida Viagra plate for us old timers!!!!! :eek:

[Red Swan]

Myself working 14 miles from reservation gets this every day, we just run them as any normal plate, but make sure you say tribal, at least here all the different tribes there plates are different but they are registered into the system as tribal. Also when you run 27 and 29 we have run it through the local tribal system separately, as they are not to kind to share there information. Sovereign Nation, they can do what ever the hell they want. One Reservation here does not even require it's drives to have auto insurance, but the one next to where i work they have stiffer fines then the state side has for such infractions.

[Taylor1430]

When I have run NA plates, specifically Cherokee Nation, I get an NLETS response through OK. Its rare that I see them here in Maryland but come across them occasionally.

I am from Talequah, OK so it brings back some memories when I do see them.

[Kieth M.]

I think Florida has every license plate known too man, except, Florida Viagra plate for us old timers!!!!! :eek:

Wait, aren't those the blue plates that have the state outline of FLA rotated 180 degrees, and withstand the elements, staying stiffer longer than the regular license plates?

[PB3021]

Okay bear with me, we don't usually get many indians (native american type at least) in these parts. Yesterday on my way to a call I saw a car with "Cherokee Nation" license plates. Didn't have a chance to really check it out, but my question is does anybody have any knowledge as to their legitemacy?

You were correct with Indian (as in Indigenous people). Born in the United States of America, I am a Native American.