Question For NYPD MOS

[SCPS PO]

Just a quick question for the guys OTJ. Let's say I walk in downtown and take the computerized exam, do well and pass. How long do you think it'll be before APD starts processing? Would I be able to make July or Jan 09?

[kxl77]

January. And what do you mean just take the computerized exam? Does DCAS have on-site walk-in testing? I know they give computer exams, but didn't know they were walk in.

[SCPS PO]

http://nyc.gov/html/dcas/html/employment/monthlyexamschedule.shtml

Walk in computerized testing.

[kxl77]

Hm, that's pretty cool. I know they give you your unofficial exam scores the day you take the test. But to make it to the July academy would be pushing it since you still have to wait for that exam class to finish testing, wait for a list number, take a medical, written psych, oral psych, and physical fitness. Also, all the paperwork necessary.

I personally don't think it's likely since the academy is only 1.5 months away. Possible? Maybe. You never know, hopefully someone more qualified to answer this will chime in soon.

[SCPS PO]

My exam is still active from 2002. Wow. Guess I'll make the call to APD tomorrow and see.

[John2008]

Hm, that's pretty cool. I know they give you your unofficial exam scores the day you take the test. But to make it to the July academy would be pushing it since you still have to wait for that exam class to finish testing, wait for a list number, take a medical, written psych, oral psych, and physical fitness. Also, all the paperwork necessary.

I personally don't think it's likely since the academy is only 1.5 months away. Possible? Maybe. You never know, hopefully someone more qualified to answer this will chime in soon.

you'll be surprise how fast they can process you. if you don't make in the first week he can probably go in as a backfill.

[SCPS PO]

Thanks John. I'll see when they'll schedule me for everything today.

[John2008]

Thanks John. I'll see when they'll schedule me for everything today.

good Luck.

[SCPS PO]

One more question. Did they eliminate the run portion of the requirements? Years ago I took the PAT (pre JST) and there was also an additional mile and a half run that needed to be completed.

[John2008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8f0ToNgVoQ

Current JST only difference is that you have to go around the cones 5 or 6times.
and you'll be wearing a Vest and a weighted belt that's suppose to feel like if you had your duty gear on.

[SCPS PO]

When I took the PAT in 01, it was similar to the JST with the vest and gunbelt. After the PAT, we had to run a mile and a half on Staten Island on another date. Does that still happen?

[John2008]

When I took the PAT in 01, it was similar to the JST with the vest and gunbelt. After the PAT, we had to run a mile and a half on Staten Island on another date. Does that still happen?

Nope.
but you have to run the mile and a half while in the academy.

[SCPS PO]

Sounds good. I'm glad they changed the test from 2 fences to 1!

[PTLovesMe81]

Sounds good. I'm glad they changed the test from 2 fences to 1!

Its a wall in the academy. Thats the real fun one.

I totally forgot about the belt with the entrance JST. In the academy, its just a 14lb vest, no belt. That belt was a pain in the butt.

They can process you pretty quickly. I never really heard about the computerized testing but for the amount of recruits tehy are short for the next class I wouldn't be surprised if they were able to push you into July. Good luck.

[NYCTNT]

SCPS,

Without a DOUBT in my mind you can make even the JULY academy if you took that exam. As you already have backround done from 1pp, you shouldnt have much of a problem. The only problem is getting your paperwork together if you do not have such paperwork handy. These things can be your birth certificate, SS card..etc.

[SCPS PO]

Thanks to all that replied. My original list has indeed expired (1039) after speaking with APD yesterday afternoon. I managed to get myself downtown after work and took the computerized walk-in. With a raw score of 94 plus 5 points residency credit, I hope it's enough to bring me near the top of this list. I have all my stuff handy and ready to go (tax returns, birth cert., SSI printout). Hell, I even have some of the preliminary paperwork (App. Pedigree, gun security) done from 02!

Making the July class would be great, if not January 09. The givebacks on this contract in terms of vacation days suck but at least with a start of 35k, I can at least take the job without putting myself and my family in debt. Crossing my fingers!

[John2008]

Thanks to all that replied. My original list has indeed expired (1039) after speaking with APD yesterday afternoon. I managed to get myself downtown after work and took the computerized walk-in. With a raw score of 94 plus 5 points residency credit, I hope it's enough to bring me near the top of this list. I have all my stuff handy and ready to go (tax returns, birth cert., SSI printout). Hell, I even have some of the preliminary paperwork (App. Pedigree, gun security) done from 02!

Making the July class would be great, if not January 09. The givebacks on this contract in terms of vacation days suck but at least with a start of 35k, I can at least take the job without putting myself and my family in debt. Crossing my fingers!

you should be fine for the July academy, I keep hearing that they're really short this class, but then again when aren't they.

[SCPS PO]

I'm not too optimistic about a July start, maybe as a backfill if I'm lucky.

[NYCTNT]

Call APD next week and see if they got your score. If they did, im sure they will try to get you in. You can finish the MED, JST and all the other requirements needed AND get approved by July class. I think the graduation date is July 2. You need things done by the 31st of July if im not mistaking?

[SCPS PO]

TNT,

I didn't think APD receives the score that fast? I thought there needs to be an established list before I'm eligible to start processing?


On another note, were you able to pick up what you needed?

[PTLovesMe81]

Call APD next week and see if they got your score. If they did, im sure they will try to get you in. You can finish the MED, JST and all the other requirements needed AND get approved by July class. I think the graduation date is July 2. You need things done by the 31st of July if im not mistaking?

Do you happen to know set dates for graduation and gun and shield day?

For gun and shield day we heard 6/19 and 6/23 and for Graduation we heard 6/30 and 7/2. I would like to let my family know so they can get flights and hotels etc and no one can give me a straight answer.

[gbotj]

PT - Your family doesnt live in the state?

[PTLovesMe81]

PT - Your family doesnt live in the state?

Most of my family lives on Long Island / Queens. Some live in Florida.

[gbotj]

oh I see. Thats cool that they will fly up for your graduation.

[NYCTNT]

SC,

Naw.. as many times i tell her to NOT do it, she is going forth and doing it.. so she might be in your class, lol.

As far as GRAD day its tentative date is JULY 2. I dont know any other date.

[SCPS PO]

TNT,

She might be better off. Rumor mill is going crazy and it appears this gig might not be there in 6 months. I wish my time transferred over. 15 is a lot better than 20.

[NYCTNT]

I think your time might actually transfer over on the tail end. If you are a peace/police.. whatever officer, it could be transferable with the pension section.

[Dman99]

Do the givebacks on vacation days count for the July class ot the one after?

[Back to NYC]

Everyone hired after July 1st of this year will get the "raise" to 35K and the ten vacation days per year. So yes, the givebacks on vacation days count for the July 2008 class.

[Dman99]

Losing 10 vaca days per year sucks. I did hear that there is another contract being negotiated maybe they might get some days back.

[Back to NYC]

With the PERB ruling we're still two years behind. They still need to negotiate a contract for 2006-2008. It's possible that the PBA will get some of those days back for the future hires, but I kind of doubt it. :( I've been in a couple different unions now, and it's extremely rare that a union gets something back after it's surrendered it in a new contract.

Obviously I'm new to the PBA, but I definitely get the impression that they're there for the senior members (5+ years OTJ) and not for the new guys. They agreed to drop starting salary from nearly 40k down to 25k several years back, and now they negotiated a "raise" for the new guys while giving away ten vacation days. The mere fact that they've never made an issue of the NYPD practice of making "Recruit Officers" travel to and from work in full uniform (UNARMED) while receiving no compensation for their travel time tells me what they think of new members.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think the PBA dislikes new people or whatever, I just think they're far more concerned with protecting the vets than helping the newcomers to the job. I guess you can't do everything well, but it's a dangerous precedent for a union, selling out the guys who are going to be the majority of your membership in the future.

[darkhelmet]

isnt the union supposed to protect the interests of ALL its constituents? Why is it allowed that whatever the Union says and does is OK. Isn't that why we pay union dues.. to get our rights protected? If they can't do their job correctly than maybe we should find someone who can. Now im not trying to cause a riot and im just ranting but am I the only person who sees a problem here? If i didn't do my job I would get fired, in fact in any occupation (except maybe the weather people) if you do your job 10 percent of the time you would get canned.

[Dman99]

With the PERB ruling we're still two years behind. They still need to negotiate a contract for 2006-2008. It's possible that the PBA will get some of those days back for the future hires, but I kind of doubt it. :( I've been in a couple different unions now, and it's extremely rare that a union gets something back after it's surrendered it in a new contract.

Obviously I'm new to the PBA, but I definitely get the impression that they're there for the senior members (5+ years OTJ) and not for the new guys. They agreed to drop starting salary from nearly 40k down to 25k several years back, and now they negotiated a "raise" for the new guys while giving away ten vacation days. The mere fact that they've never made an issue of the NYPD practice of making "Recruit Officers" travel to and from work in full uniform (UNARMED) while receiving no compensation for their travel time tells me what they think of new members.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think the PBA dislikes new people or whatever, I just think they're far more concerned with protecting the vets than helping the newcomers to the job. I guess you can't do everything well, but it's a dangerous precedent for a union, selling out the guys who are going to be the majority of your membership in the future.

I am not a member yet but, I will be reopening my case this tuesday to try and make it in for the July academy. You've touched on some good points and you seemd to have a good idea of whats going on. Thanks for the info.

[NYCTNT]

the problem with the big picture is simple.

The city will NOT give a raise on the top end if the dept wont give something back on the low end(rookies).

I dont know about you guys but top pay is what ultimately matters. When you hit that 5yr top pay mark, do you really care what the starting salary is or do you care that after top pay you will be making a little more?. The top pay is still nowhere near comparible to other surrounding agencies.

The unborn/rookies are the easiest target to go after as the city wont budge if they wont get something back for the money they are going to "give" to the cops.

Do I agree with it? Heck no. Will it get better as a rookie? YES.

[Back to NYC]

I know it'll get better, but I can't imagine taking a job like this for only ten vacation days. Five years from now, I think everyone OTJ will either be from my Academy class, several years older, or have only a year on. Everyone in that 2-4 year range will have left because of total burnout from having this difficult job with only ten vacation days a year.

[Dman99]

I know what you guys are saying. The ten vaca days rookies now get, is that for just the first couple of years or when will that increase?

[PTLovesMe81]

the problem with the big picture is simple.

The city will NOT give a raise on the top end if the dept wont give something back on the low end(rookies).

I dont know about you guys but top pay is what ultimately matters. When you hit that 5yr top pay mark, do you really care what the starting salary is or do you care that after top pay you will be making a little more?. The top pay is still nowhere near comparible to other surrounding agencies.

The unborn/rookies are the easiest target to go after as the city wont budge if they wont get something back for the money they are going to "give" to the cops.

Do I agree with it? Heck no. Will it get better as a rookie? YES.

This is totally right, Nassau was starting at around 25,100 also but you never see them having trouble hiring people. Thats cause you are at 100k without night diff or any OT after 7 years. The top pay is all that matters as people will shut up and live in a cardboard box for a few years to take care of themselves for the future.

If the city offered a contract where I had 5 days off for the first 5 years and went from 20,000 to 89 or 95k after 5 or 7 years I would jump on it. Id let them through in tour changes and range dates whatever they wanted.

With the PERB ruling we're still two years behind. They still need to negotiate a contract for 2006-2008. It's possible that the PBA will get some of those days back for the future hires, but I kind of doubt it. :( I've been in a couple different unions now, and it's extremely rare that a union gets something back after it's surrendered it in a new contract.

Obviously I'm new to the PBA, but I definitely get the impression that they're there for the senior members (5+ years OTJ) and not for the new guys. They agreed to drop starting salary from nearly 40k down to 25k several years back, and now they negotiated a "raise" for the new guys while giving away ten vacation days. The mere fact that they've never made an issue of the NYPD practice of making "Recruit Officers" travel to and from work in full uniform (UNARMED) while receiving no compensation for their travel time tells me what they think of new members.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think the PBA dislikes new people or whatever, I just think they're far more concerned with protecting the vets than helping the newcomers to the job. I guess you can't do everything well, but it's a dangerous precedent for a union, selling out the guys who are going to be the majority of your membership in the future.

Everyone: Remember this while complaining about the PBA Union here:

If you have access to the PBA Website log in and read the award. At the end it says the PBA rep dissented from the PERB Award. That means that they did not agree with it and didn't vote for it. The way perb works is 2 out of the 3 arbitrators have to agree, and in this case the Cities Arbitrator and the neutral arbitrator agreed, NOT the PBA one.

All in all they were not for this award and didn't endorse it at PERB. You can't really blame the PBA for this one as they didnt accept the cities original crappy contract offer and went the only way the could when the city would not negotiate. After it goes to perb its out of the PBA's hands.

[gbotj]

This is totally right, Nassau was starting at around 25,100 also but you never see them having trouble hiring people. Thats cause you are at 100k without night diff or any OT after 7 years. The top pay is all that matters as people will shut up and live in a cardboard box for a few years to take care of themselves for the future.


close on the figures. But not correct.

[SCPS PO]

I think your time might actually transfer over on the tail end. If you are a peace/police.. whatever officer, it could be transferable with the pension section.

Thanks for the advice. I'll check them out if/when I get on. Do you think APD will even process me when there hasn't been a list established for my exam?

[PTLovesMe81]

close on the figures. But not correct.

I said "around" because I knew it wasnt exact. But thanks for pointing it out, as usual.

[gbotj]

Oh yea no problem. I just love seeing you post on every single thread.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

boys cant u too just get along....

[darkhelmet]

1The way perb works is 2 out of the 3 arbitrators have to agree, and in this case the Cities Arbitrator and the neutral arbitrator agreed, NOT the PBA one.

A1

that is because Bloomberg has them in his pocket.. its the way politics work. Lets not all be ignorant here and realize that most of the time there are ulterior motives.

[NYCTNT]

I dont think its possible. One is on the job, the other is NOT.

I dont have any gripes with GBO(TBTA GOD), but others do and have complained. Oh well, thats Internet Life for you.

APD probably will get your scored via their computer in a weeks time or so. I would call them on Monday and see whats up. Give them your SS# and/or exam number.

If you want the pension sections #, I can PM it to you so you can ask away.

[SCPS PO]

I'll give them a call tomorrow, I doubt anyone's in for Memorial Day. I'll get in contact with the Pension Section after/if I get on. Regardless if I have to do 15 or 20, I'm in it for the long haul.

[SCPS PO]

Called APD candidate relations today and no dice. Short of them sending me a letter to start processing in the next few days, it's looking to be January 09 for me.

[bklynbob]

hurry up the process.............the local da's need more cops to prosecute!

[SCPS PO]

If you have a hook that could help me out Bob, I would love to hurry up the process :D