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nebraska_deputy
04-26-2008, 04:53 PM
This is crazy. If he was alive when they took him out of the house, he should have been at least taken to the hospital even if he was a DNR. To return him to the house after he died in back of the squad is just wrong. I can respect a DNR, but if someone is alive when they leave the house start the transport and take him to the hospital.


http://www.cbs3springfield.com/news/local/17986579.html


Springfield Man's Body Returned To Family's Door



Story Published: Apr 21, 2008 at 7:14 PM EDT

Story Updated: Apr 21, 2008 at 7:14 PM EDT
By Matt DeLucia
Watch The Story Kenia Colon knew something was wrong when her grandmother called and said her grandfather, Luis Suliveres, 71, was feeling sick. They called 911. When crews from American Medical Response arrived at their Fort Pleasant Street home, Suliveres was still alive.

"They took him into the ambulance and they told us he passed away," said Colon.

That is when the family said the EMTs, who were still parked in the street, brought Suliveres' dead body back up the sidewalk, up the porch stairs, and back to the front door.

"They just told us they're going to bring him back in and we have to take care of calling the funeral home," said Colon.

Eventually the funeral home did arrive to pick up Suliveres, who had been suffering from bone cancer for two years. Colon said the EMTs told her they needed the ambulance for "city service" and left. It is something Suliveres' daughter, Carmen says she will never forget.

"That was so disrespectful to me. They didn't respect my father at all," she said.

CBS 3 spoke with a representative from American Medical Response (AMR) Monday afternoon to find out what the protocol is when a patient dies in an ambulance. AMR said local crews are bound to the laws and regulations of the state, but it is ultimately the decision of the "doctor control" at the hospital as far as whether or not to transport the body. A decision it says is universal with all ambulance companies.

Suliveres did have an up-to-date "Do Not Resuscitate" order, which prohibits life-saving measures. It is unclear if that order played a role in the physician's decision, but the family says their frustration lies with how the EMTs handled the situation. AMR could not speculate for the individuals involved, but said its thoughts go out to the family.

The Suliveres' said they are considering legal action against AMR.

SkepticAlways
04-26-2008, 05:03 PM
I'm not sure what to make of that. What was the ambulance supposed to do? Transport a deadman (DNR no less) to the hospital...for what? It looks bad, but what are the realistic options here?

Legal action always soothes one's heart ache, thats for sure. Dry those tears with $100 bills.

DaLAW
04-26-2008, 05:44 PM
Wow...Don't even know what to say about that...

Chit2001
04-26-2008, 05:45 PM
Huh....

This is interesting. I'm thinking it has something to do with AMR's S.O.P.s, but I can't be sure. We run Rural Metro (ambulance) service here, and I know if they have a DOA or someone dies while they're working on them, they do the removal and *typically* take them to the funeral home of choice..... and they go from there.

I find it a bit odd that the EMTs/Paramedics just "dropped" the body off back in the house, but I don't know what the circumstances were.

Like Skeptic said, they'll be drying their tears with greenbacks soon anyhow.... no matter if AMR was in the right or not. We're too compassionate these days.... we have to make EVERYONE "feel" good. Ah well, whatdoya do?

Jellybean400
04-26-2008, 06:20 PM
I'm not sure what to make of that. What was the ambulance supposed to do? Transport a deadman (DNR no less) to the hospital...for what? It looks bad, but what are the realistic options here?



Yeah, i agree - really.

I'm thinking of when my dad died at home, and we were having home Hospice care.

Someone had to pronounce him dead, and we called the Hospice worker to come. No hospital or ambulance was involved. Then we called the funeral home to come.

It just makes the story sound morbid - that they had the body returned to their home by the ambulance.

DAL
04-26-2008, 08:03 PM
I thought this would be a story about a Simpsons episode.

damode
04-27-2008, 11:26 AM
Just another damn if you do, damn if you dont decision.

Kpdpipes
04-27-2008, 04:44 PM
Wow..Just Wow.. Once they start working on them, at elast here in NJ, they OWn them until the person is pronounced, either at the hospital, or via Paramedics (Telemetry to the doc from the lifepac). Once they get in in the Ambulance?? They OWN him until they drop him off at the hospital.. UNACCEPTABLE...Sounds like something the Squad in my town would do though.

LeanG
04-28-2008, 11:14 AM
What is the normal procedure? I'm clueless as to what typically happens...