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dpd0779
04-25-2008, 04:21 PM
Does anyone have any information or experience with HUD OIG? They recently had several vacancy announcements for GS 7/9 SA positions.

Love_Ulcer
04-25-2008, 05:59 PM
Fraud heavy. Standard OIG 1811 work. Used to do street crime stuff back in the days, but I dunno if they do that anymore.

What's great about applying to HUD OIG is that they contract out their hiring process to BPD. You will know where you stand in every part of the application process!! (not leaving you in the dark like others)

dpd0779
04-25-2008, 07:35 PM
Thats good to know. Hopefully I can get an interview.

phillystactical
04-27-2008, 02:47 AM
dpd did you put in for it?

dpd0779
04-27-2008, 09:38 AM
yea I mailed my application packet last week. Hopefully I hear something one way or the other soon.

phillystactical
04-27-2008, 09:33 PM
yea I mailed my application packet last week. Hopefully I hear something one way or the other soon.

DPD, 10-4. I heard they do I alot of white collar crimes. I'm trying to find more info. It sounds like a pretty good gig for 1811. Although the location is in DC.....cost of living there is not cheap.

Keep in touch. a let me know when you hear something. I am going to put my packet together this week. If anyone is in the process with OIG (1811), let me know.

StateChamp
04-27-2008, 10:27 PM
Who May Apply:
US citizens currently residing in the local commuting area in any of these categories:

1. Current permanent Federal employees with competitive status or former Federal employees with reinstatement eligibility;

2. Current Federal employees in excepted service positions covered by an interchange agreement;

3. Individuals eligible for:

* the HUD Career Transition Assistance Program (CTAP);

* the Interagency Career Transition Assistance Program (ICTAP);

* noncompetitive appointment under authorities such as the Veterans' Recruitment Appointment (VRA), disabled individuals, returned volunteers from the Peace Corps or VISTA, etc; or



OR

Individuals from any commuting area eligible for the HUD OIG Career Transition Assistance Program (CTAP);

Individuals from any commuting area eligible for the Veteran's Employment Opportunities Act (VEOA). This applies to veterans with preference or veterans separated from the armed forces under honorable conditions after substantially completing 3 years or more of continuous active service.


--I took this from the announcement for a HUD SA position (GS-07) I am wondering what this basically means. So does this mean I can't apply for this unless I work for the government? or that I live within the commuting area?

Thanks

dpd0779
04-28-2008, 07:53 AM
I looked at that, im a veteran so I think im good to go, but for those not in the military it looks like you have to be from the local area or be employed by HUD

Love_Ulcer
04-28-2008, 04:11 PM
I looked at that, im a veteran so I think im good to go, but for those not in the military it looks like you have to be from the local area or be employed by HUD

Locality applies to everyone I'm afraid.:(

Approx 50 mi radius around the field office that's hiring. That's how BPD will look at eligibility. Plus that announcement will usually compete with other announcements at GL-9 and GL-12 for that one spot. Very competitive.

Best of luck.

dpd0779
04-28-2008, 06:37 PM
Love Ulcer, you may be right, have you had experience applying with them before. Why than would the announcement indicate you could apply from any area if you’re claiming vet pref? Doesn’t make sense to me if they are only going to hire from the local area. Also how can they post announcements for a GS7-9 slot and hire someone at an 11 or 12? Wouldn’t there just be a separate announcement for that.

Love_Ulcer
04-28-2008, 08:47 PM
Love Ulcer, you may be right, have you had experience applying with them before. Why than would the announcement indicate you could apply from any area if you’re claiming vet pref? Doesn’t make sense to me if they are only going to hire from the local area. Also how can they post announcements for a GS7-9 slot and hire someone at an 11 or 12? Wouldn’t there just be a separate announcement for that.

HUD OIG has done this for many years now. Locality hiring may seem unfair, but to their eyes it saves time, money, and a bit of guarantee that the applicant will not jet outta there on the first given opportunity.

If you also look at the announcement summary under "who may be considered", it states "...currently residing in the local commuting area who MEET any of the categories shown under the heading "who may apply".

This is a way to have a greater applicant pool in the local area since the announcement isn't nationwide. I believe the HUD announcement you're referring to only has openings for GL-7s and GL-9s. Sometimes they extend this upward to GL-11s or even 13s. TIGTA is notorious for this, but doesn't fall under the locality hiring rule.

Also remember, the announcement may state for 9, but a GL-11 can come in with a matched pay. This is also a good opportunity for those 1811s who are involuntarily forced from one location to another.

Bearcat357
04-28-2008, 09:32 PM
We do have one 1811 that works for HUD as a OIG SA..... Not sure where his sorry butt is....

Hopefully, he will be on here soon to answer your questions....

StateChamp
04-28-2008, 09:41 PM
I am a current fed employee, expected(Not with HUD though). So does this qualify me to apply with HUD? . Thanks

dpd0779
04-28-2008, 09:52 PM
The annoucment further states:

OR "Any Individuals from any commuting area eligible for the Veteran's Employment Opportunities Act (VEOA). This applies to veterans with preference or veterans separated from the armed forces under honorable conditions after substantially completing 3 years or more of continuous active service."

I guess I'll find out eventually. I'll post when I hear one way or the other.

phillystactical
04-28-2008, 11:32 PM
I'm not too sure about the locality. GS 11 here. I'll try and see what happens.

StateChamp
04-30-2008, 02:21 PM
I am a current fed employee, expected(Not with HUD though). So does this qualify me to apply with HUD? . Thanks

Anyone???

Career conditional is what I am.

GoldBadge
04-30-2008, 02:36 PM
Anyone???

Career conditional is what I am.

Since you're career conditional and not yet permanent I'd say that you're ineligible (sorry).

1919
04-30-2008, 02:45 PM
Since you're career conditional and not yet permanent I'd say that you're ineligible (sorry).

Career-conditional status is qualifying for applying under "status candidates" announcements.

There is a distinction between being "permanent" and being "career." One can be in a permanent, as opposed to temporary, position and yet still be career conditional.

GoldBadge
04-30-2008, 02:54 PM
Career-conditional status is qualifying for applying under "status candidates" announcements.

There is a distinction between being "permanent" and being "career." One can be in a permanent, as opposed to temporary, position and yet still be career conditional.

Apparently the announcement calls for "Current permanent Federal employees with competitive status or former Federal employees with reinstatement eligibility."

Career conditional is not permanent.

1919
04-30-2008, 03:41 PM
Apparently the announcement calls for "Current permanent Federal employees with competitive status or former Federal employees with reinstatement eligibility."

Career conditional is not permanent.

Yes, career conditional means you're not a permanent employee, however you could still be in a permanent competitive service position. Career conditional employees can a) be in a permanent competitive service position and b) possess competitive status.

As such, I wouldn't simply skip over it. Either apply or call the HR people to clarify.

phillystactical
04-30-2008, 10:17 PM
I think you get career status after two years. Some say it's three yrs. now. Not too sure......

StateChamp
04-30-2008, 10:26 PM
Thanks goldbadge, 1919, and Philly for your inputs I will zip a email to HR for clarification. Hopefully I can apply. Once again thanks.

1919
05-01-2008, 01:14 PM
I think you get career status after two years. Some say it's three yrs. now. Not too sure......

Career status is three years. But this has nothing to do with career status. It has to do with status as a government employee.

Words like "status" and "permenent" and others have varying meanings in OPM language depending on the context in which they are used.

Swamp King
05-03-2008, 09:57 AM
If you haven't already, read these threads:

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76709&highlight=OIG

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58102&highlight=hud+oig

Good luck

Harley25
05-04-2008, 07:52 PM
I sent in my stuff at the beginning of April, and have received correspondence back on 2 occasions already stating that I have met the qualifications of the hiring process so far and they are continuing me through the process. I spoke with the man whose contact information was on the vacancy announcement on Thursday and he said the process can take 10 weeks to 6 months for them to make the job offer.

dpd0779
05-05-2008, 09:12 AM
Harley, what is background/skills? What locations did you apply too back in April?

StateChamp
05-05-2008, 01:23 PM
I am sending in my packet today. Hopefully I qualify. Did everyone else mail in or fax?

dpd0779
05-05-2008, 03:55 PM
I mailed my packet. I got a call from HR the next day and was told I had to send an additional packet for each vacancy I was applying too. I asked if I could fax it and the rep said I yes. Haven't heard anything since.

nwscc05
05-06-2008, 08:05 AM
I received the little notice yesterday that my application had been received. We will see how it goes.

dpd0779
05-06-2008, 08:22 AM
Same here, got two little notices in the mail for the vacancys I applied too

StateChamp
05-06-2008, 09:52 AM
Ok found out that you have to do different applications for each vacancy. I mailed one and faxed one yesterday. hopefully hear something back soon.

phillystactical
05-13-2008, 12:39 AM
Announcement 170559, I sent mine last week via application manager. Received the ack. letter via app. manager. Still pending hr specialist. Anyone heard anything yet?

dpd0779
05-13-2008, 06:49 AM
nothing here

StateChamp
05-13-2008, 09:21 AM
I heard back from one that I faxed stating:

"We regret that we cannot accept your resume/application because we do not maintain unsolicited resumes/application for vacancies. In order to be considered for vacancies, you must apply for a specific open announcement and include the vacancy announcement number."

The thing that ****es me off is that I DID include the announcement number in my resume/application. Some dumbass overlooked the announcement number and sent all my S*&T back without double checking. It's frustrating that I put in all the work to complete the required stuff and SOME DICK didn't take the time to even look at the resume/application or he would have seen it was in plain sight. :mad::mad:

Anyone else have this? What can I do to clear this up? :mad:

dpd0779
05-13-2008, 10:42 AM
I would def call HR to clear that up. I talked with someone a few days after they got my packet and they seemed pretty nice. Did you include the vacancy number on your resume? That's unfortunate if somebody just screwed up.

StateChamp
05-13-2008, 10:47 AM
Yeah I did put the vacancy announcement number in plain sight on the top of my resume. I don't know how someone could have missed it. I have sent an email to HR but haven't heard back. If I don't hear back by the end of the day I will try to find their number and call.

FRUSTRATING!!:mad:

StateChamp
05-16-2008, 10:36 AM
Good news. I get to resubmit my documents because someone screwed up on their end. Hooray!!. :)

Harley25
05-16-2008, 02:31 PM
Harley, what is background/skills? What locations did you apply too back in April?

There was a GS-07 position open for Pittsburgh, PA that I applied for.

dpd0779
05-16-2008, 03:17 PM
Have you hear anything since you applied?

Harley25
05-17-2008, 08:49 AM
Have you hear anything since you applied?

See post #25...I don't have any updates since then, but I'm guessing they will be sending more correspondence out shortly.

StateChamp
05-19-2008, 09:08 AM
my update, I have only received receipts of receiving my application packages. Hopefully hear something soon on eligibility :)

dpd0779
05-25-2008, 04:29 PM
I received two notices in the mail that I was found qualified for the vacancies I applied for. I thought it was the thin letter at first but it's similar to the first correspondence they sent out. Anyone else get a notice one way or the other?

phillystactical
05-25-2008, 10:12 PM
Congrats DPD........DPD was it for anouncement 170559? Nothing here....

dpd0779
05-25-2008, 11:06 PM
Announcements 08-HUDIG-112 and 109, one for Miami and the other in Alabama. They were GS-7 and 9 annoucements.

nwscc05
05-25-2008, 11:18 PM
I did for the AL posting and it said I didn't have the required exp/education. Heck, I have an MBA and included all my transcripts. I really feel like calling but it may not do much good. I only have 6 mnths of working in investigations. I thought the MBA would be good enough. Good luck to everyone else though.

phillystactical
05-26-2008, 03:58 AM
Cool DPD, I put in for the 1811 GS11 pay with OIG, but under the Department of State.

NMWSCCO5: hang in there...you should be good to go with one more year, especially if you get to work with some task forces (HIDTA, VCFT, AG's Office).

dpd0779
05-26-2008, 09:39 AM
I didn’t apply to any of the GS-11 slots. I figure with just about 2 years Investigative experience I would be lucky to come in at a 9. I really don’t care what the grade is, as long as I can get my foot in the door. I still think this one is a long shot; hopefully I can get an interview. I wonder how the long the wait will be now.

nwscc05
05-26-2008, 06:46 PM
Thanks phillystactical, I figured it was a long shot anyway, just look like a good chance to get back home and work for a great organization. I'm hoping to get on with the DEA when they open up again. With my accounting background and with some work under my belt I hope it works out. The good thing is I've got about 10 yrs to get on.

Good luck to everyone in the process.



Thanks to all the vets out there and remember the fallen everyday.

StateChamp
05-27-2008, 09:50 AM
I recieved two notices back saying I didn't qualify because I was out of the area of consideration. Don't know exactly..Why I recieved that??? Was the AL and Miami vacancies only to people who leave in the commuting area?? :mad:

dpd0779
05-27-2008, 10:22 AM
Champ, sorry to hear that. If you look back at the early posts this was discussed. If you arent claminig Veterans Pref or a career conditional status, it was limited to those within a 50 mile radius.

dpd0779
05-27-2008, 10:28 AM
Sorry, outside the 50 mile radius you can apply if you are a claiming VA Pref or in the HUD Career Intern program.

StateChamp
05-27-2008, 12:00 PM
Thanks DPD. Not the response I wanted to hear. :mad: As of lately my luck sucks with other application processes as with this one.

I must have mis read the vacancy announcment. I thought I could still apply if I was in the government now as a excepted employee. Oh, better luck next time I guess. :(

dpd0779
05-27-2008, 12:13 PM
I've been rejected for a few OIG positions, this is the first one that I actually made it past the initial review. I still think it's a long shot but the more positions you apply for the better chance you have. Don't give up!

StateChamp
05-27-2008, 02:31 PM
I've been rejected for a few OIG positions, this is the first one that I actually made it past the initial review. I still think it's a long shot but the more positions you apply for the better chance you have. Don't give up!

I'm definitely not giving up. I have several other applications with other agencies also. I'm just not going to hold my breath. I'm living life like I don't even apply for these vacancies.

With as many as I apply for, one day I should land one. Thanks for the positive note though. :)

phillystactical
05-28-2008, 01:08 AM
One wil bite Sate Champ, don't worry. Sometimes, even if you are qualified or over qualified, the news is not good. Keep trying

StateChamp
05-28-2008, 09:53 AM
Thanks Philly. :)

Harley25
05-28-2008, 06:05 PM
Yeah I got the boot for the grade 7 in Pittsburgh I applied for after making it through the first 2 steps in the process, and I'm way over qualified.

dpd0779
05-28-2008, 08:43 PM
Harley, what were your steps in the process? Did you get an interview for the Pittsburgh vacancy? Did you apply for the Miami or Alabama vacancys?

Harley25
06-02-2008, 03:04 PM
I made it past the first 2 reviews they did. Not sure what they looked at during them besides the paperwork I sent in and I was never contacted for an interview. I only applied to the Pittsburgh vacancy. But I have a feeling that I may have been a bit over qualified in their eyes for a grade 07.

StateChamp
06-02-2008, 10:54 PM
I made it past the first 2 reviews they did. Not sure what they looked at during them besides the paperwork I sent in and I was never contacted for an interview. I only applied to the Pittsburgh vacancy. But I have a feeling that I may have been a bit over qualified in their eyes for a grade 07.

Why do you say overqualified? just curious of your background.

Harley25
06-04-2008, 07:56 AM
I'm 26 and I had a BA in Accounting, a BBA in Finance, a BBA in Economics, and an MBA when I graduated form college at 24. Since graduating I have been working for the IRS and am currently a grade 11. Plus I am a female which I am sure intimidates some people when all they can see is my paperwork. Also, they probably wonder if I'm a nerd and could handle a gun or the physical part of the job.

StateChamp
06-04-2008, 09:50 AM
Ok well justified, you got the education for sure!! GO GIRL!! (not being mean) Good Luck. :)


I'm 26 and I had a BA in Accounting, a BBA in Finance, a BBA in Economics, and an MBA when I graduated form college at 24. Since graduating I have been working for the IRS and am currently a grade 11. Plus I am a female which I am sure intimidates some people when all they can see is my paperwork. Also, they probably wonder if I'm a nerd and could handle a gun or the physical part of the job.

Love_Ulcer
06-04-2008, 01:53 PM
I'm 26 and I had a BA in Accounting, a BBA in Finance, a BBA in Economics, and an MBA when I graduated form college at 24. Since graduating I have been working for the IRS and am currently a grade 11. Plus I am a female which I am sure intimidates some people when all they can see is my paperwork. Also, they probably wonder if I'm a nerd and could handle a gun or the physical part of the job.

Being a "nerd" or a female has absolutely nothing to do with this hiring process. It should actually help you under certain circumstances. The physical aspect doesn't even come into play since they have no PT test except for the one you "participate" at CITP.

They'll be more likely interested whether you can build a strong case to present to a AUSA rather than your ability to gun'em and stuff'em. With that in mind, they could care less about your physical ability so long as you can pass through CITP and OIG academy.

No such thing as "over-qualified" in the G. They'll happily take folks with PhDs at a GS-7 level if they can. Seen plenty of folks enter as GS-5s with Masters too. You're applying for an HUD-OIG spot which is extremely competitive, one spot against thousands, probably with prior 1811 experience as well.

Oh, and don't forget those with vet preference points go before you as well.

dpd0779
06-04-2008, 02:10 PM
How many current 1811s would be willing to come in at a GS-7 or 9? That would be a serious pay cut. Unlike many of the OIG gig vacancies, which are listed in the GS-11 to 13 bands, this vacancy was listed as entry level. I agree there is no such thing as being over qualified though. A lack of investigative experience might be one reason for not being selected.

Love_Ulcer
06-04-2008, 02:15 PM
How many current 1811s would be willing to come in at a GS-7 or 9? That would be a serious pay cut. Unlike many of the OIG gig vacancies, which are listed in the GS-11 to 13 bands, this vacancy was listed as entry level. I agree there is no such thing as being over qualified though. A lack of investigative experience might be one reason for not being selected.

Just because one is an 1811 doesn't mean he or she reached his or her 13 (or 12) yet. You can still be 11 and come in as a 9 with a matching pay.;)

Harley25
06-04-2008, 05:29 PM
Being a "nerd" or a female has absolutely nothing to do with this hiring process. It should actually help you under certain circumstances. The physical aspect doesn't even come into play since they have no PT test except for the one you "participate" at CITP.

They'll be more likely interested whether you can build a strong case to present to a AUSA rather than your ability to gun'em and stuff'em. With that in mind, they could care less about your physical ability so long as you can pass through CITP and OIG academy.

No such thing as "over-qualified" in the G. They'll happily take folks with PhDs at a GS-7 level if they can. Seen plenty of folks enter as GS-5s with Masters too. You're applying for an HUD-OIG spot which is extremely competitive, one spot against thousands, probably with prior 1811 experience as well.

Oh, and don't forget those with vet preference points go before you as well.


I agree with what you are saying and that it shouldn't have an effect, but its the government and in the 2 years I've been around I know how things work. I don't think that makes it right, but it does happen. Also, human resources is good at screwing things up and I have been on the receiving end of that already for a SA position I applied for.

phillystactical
06-04-2008, 10:00 PM
I agree with what you are saying and that it shouldn't have an effect, but its the government and in the 2 years I've been around I know how things work. I don't think that makes it right, but it does happen. Also, human resources is good at screwing things up and I have been on the receiving end of that already for a SA position I applied for.

Harley; 100% true!

GoldBadge
06-05-2008, 06:08 AM
I'm 26 and I had a BA in Accounting, a BBA in Finance, a BBA in Economics, and an MBA when I graduated form college at 24. Since graduating I have been working for the IRS and am currently a grade 11. Plus I am a female which I am sure intimidates some people when all they can see is my paperwork. Also, they probably wonder if I'm a nerd and could handle a gun or the physical part of the job.

Harley, who knows what they were thinking. Maybe the person who nixed you had gas that day. Don't be discouraged, just keep applying. There is no standard mindset about "nerds" or those that may not be able to handle physical aspects of a job. That's what medicals and PT tests are for.

As to "overqualified," I work with a bunch of agents with JDs. The gov't is unlike the private sector and will not hesitate to take an "overqualified" candidiate.

dpd0779
06-18-2008, 06:38 PM
Got the letter today for one of the positions, not among the best qualified, not surprising, maybe I can get an interview for the other location but I doubt it.

dpd0779
09-03-2009, 06:00 PM
Got a call out of the blue today for an interview in Jax, FL. This is the first time after being referred I've been called for an interview. Anyone else interview with HUD OIG? Not sure what to expect.

Scout0315
09-04-2009, 12:46 AM
Congrats.

Tell me how it goes. I hope to interview in Seattle, someday.

manstown
09-04-2009, 08:52 AM
Congrats.

Tell me how it goes. I hope to interview in Seattle, someday.

Scout,

You're too old!

I'm just kidding buddy. I know you have been busting your *** to get a gig. I wish you the best of luck and hope it works out for you.

SgtScott31
09-04-2009, 10:36 AM
Got a call out of the blue today for an interview in Jax, FL. This is the first time after being referred I've been called for an interview. Anyone else interview with HUD OIG? Not sure what to expect.

Glad you made it in. I sent an app there as well. I have a Master's degree & 7 yrs LE experience and I received a notice that I wasn't qualified enough!

dpd0779
09-04-2009, 06:48 PM
It's a panel interview with four members from the region and two from the office in Jax. I got the call today with directions and a time. We'll see how it goes.

Scout0315
09-09-2009, 09:57 AM
I was just referred for an announcement 09-HUDIG-110. I lost track of where this one was for. Anyone keep track or apply as well?

ifineed2
09-09-2009, 10:16 AM
You should be able to use your usajobs account to look at all the past jobs you've applied for...if that's the announcement number then just look for that.

Scout0315
09-09-2009, 03:15 PM
That won't work for HUD. HUD does not use application manager feature in USAjobs, so the info in not retained. HUD requires you to submit printed documents by mail. They are the last of the none automated agencies. Even DOC OIG allowed you to email application.

I was hoping to find another applicant that could let me know the city. I have all the oterh info. Their announcements are pretty much the same.

dpd0779
09-09-2009, 04:26 PM
Same problem here, I got a rerferal notice yesterday but cant remember what city it was. I use to keep track of all my fed applications but slacked off here lately.

In other news I interviewed today for a HUD OIG position I put in for back in June. I thought it went well, they told me I should know one way or another in two weeks. 5 people interviewed out of a 100 or so applicants is what they said.

Scout0315
09-09-2009, 05:38 PM
Same problem here, I got a rerferal notice yesterday but cant remember what city it was. I use to keep track of all my fed applications but slacked off here lately.

In other news I interviewed today for a HUD OIG position I put in for back in June. I thought it went well, they told me I should know one way or another in two weeks. 5 people interviewed out of a 100 or so applicants is what they said.

I applied to 13 different announcements, 9 have been canceled. I just had been notified that I have been referred on this one. The other three are for Seattle; I was notified that I was qualified back in May.

Good luck on your interview today. You can be my inside man, next year. Hard to believe FY is almost over. Not as much activity as I thought there would be for 1811. A significant amount of agencies never put out one announcement. Retirement and attrition must be playing with there numbers.

dpd0779
09-10-2009, 03:38 PM
Has anyone on here actually gone through the whole process with HUD OIG? Is there a medical and background portion? Do you get a TS clearance? I left with the impression that if they hired me I would be starting almost immediatley.