Sd Le Carrying Off Duty

[ravens#70]

Hello,

I have a question, if you work for a San Diego department are you allowed to carry off duty in other counties(i.e. Riverside, LA, etc..)?

Take Care and Stay Safe

[nobodyjr]

If you a cop in America you can carry across the country off duty.

[SgtCHP]

If you a cop in America you can carry across the country off duty.

If you are complying with HR 218 you can carry across state lines. However, to answer the original question, any recognized PEACE OFFICER within the State of California may CCW anywhere within the state - except State Prisons and a few areas that are posted NO CCW by anyone. A San Diego Police Officer is a California PEACE officer and is not restricted by other counties within the state.

[Fuzz]

Well put Sgt.....


To the OP... sworn California peace officers have peace officer powers 24/7 anywhere in the State of California (with a few minor exceptions) and are CCW. HR 218 allows carry anywhere in the USA if following the requirements of HR218

[McGruff]

Curious...what about community colleges where their officers aren't allowed to carry on-duty? ie - Pasadena City College. PCC is a POST certified agency. Or is this in their MOU?

[avalon42]

So even if you're a FT LEO and off-duty, you can't carry into places like Costco or Regal Cinemas? For the latter, I've seen signs where they say NO FIREARMS and I know Costco is by policy...

[DagoStar]

I don't work for COSTCO so I could care less what their rules are. I carry my stuff everywhere, especially retail shopping centers like Costco and Regal Theaters. My stuff is concealed and they do not know if I carry or not. I have worked u/c details in Edwards Theaters and the manager knew detectives were in the theater and they never mentioned anything about us carrying firearms. I have also been in Costco as a detective doing a follow up and the manager did not say anything about my firearm. I would have to read the fine print but I'll bet these store rules only apply to citizens with ccw's.

[ask80]

pretty much sums it up. if you're a sworn peace officer you can carry anywhere in the state, including regals, costco, etc. remember you're carrying concealed. only places i know officers can't carry off duty, are the airports (on board airplanes) , fed buildings( unless it's work related). community college police depts that have sworn officers are the same as all regular peace officers and can carry anywhere. most community colleges have sworn police officers , however there are some that are just regular security. pasadena city college police are sworn, i believe. i'm just going by their website. why would they not be allowed to carry off duty?
http://www.pasadena.edu/police/images/policecar.jpg

[LA DEP]

So even if you're a FT LEO and off-duty, you can't carry into places like Costco or Regal Cinemas? For the latter, I've seen signs where they say NO FIREARMS and I know Costco is by policy...

Dont know.....frankly dont care.....I carry EVERYWHERE, including at church......

The MOST they can do is ask you to leave....thats it....you are not breaking any LAW, just their asshat policy

The only places that get uppity about it are large attractions ect

1) Disneyland
2) Staples Center
3) Dodger Stadium
4) Universal Studios

some night clubs will have this policy as well....

NONE of those places get my $$$$$$$.....our Union has sent letters asking them to allow off duty LEO to carry....some ignored the letter...Dodger Stadium and Staples sent a somewhat politely worded p**s off letter back.....to which the union sent out a letter asking that we boycott those areas, and advised them of that.....

[Fuzz]

So even if you're a FT LEO and off-duty, you can't carry into places like Costco or Regal Cinemas? For the latter, I've seen signs where they say NO FIREARMS and I know Costco is by policy...

As others have stated...... just because one particular store/place has a policy that they do not allow firearms does not make it illegal. I carry wherever I go. They do not check and the term is carry "CONCEALED" so they never know I have it. If there is a venue that is going to check such as a stadium,amusement park,etc then I make the decision wether or not to go there. The most anyone can do is ask someone who is lawfully carrying concealed to leave or deny entry...thats it.

[Fuzz]

Curious...what about community colleges where their officers aren't allowed to carry on-duty? ie - Pasadena City College. PCC is a POST certified agency. Or is this in their MOU?

Carrying concealed by LEO's is covered by this penal code.

12027. Section 12025 does not apply to, or affect, any of the
following:
(a) (1) (A) Any peace officer, listed in Section 830.1 or 830.2,
or subdivision (a) of Section 830.33, whether active or honorably
retired, other duly appointed peace officers, honorably retired peace
officers listed in subdivision (c) of Section 830.5, other honorably
retired peace officers who during the course and scope of their
employment as peace officers were authorized to, and did, carry
firearms, full-time paid peace officers of other states and the
federal government who are carrying out official duties while in
California, or any person summoned by any of these officers to assist
in making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is
actually engaged in assisting that officer. Any peace officer
described in this paragraph who has been honorably retired shall be
issued an identification certificate by the law enforcement agency
from which the officer has retired. The issuing agency may charge a
fee necessary to cover any reasonable expenses incurred by the agency
in issuing certificates pursuant to this subdivision. As used in
this section and Section 12031, the term "honorably retired" includes
all peace officers who have qualified for, and have accepted, a
service or disability retirement. For purposes of this section and
Section 12031, the term "honorably retired" does not include an
officer who has agreed to a service retirement in lieu of
termination.
(B) Any officer, except an officer listed in Section 830.1 or
830.2, subdivision (a) of Section 830.33, or subdivision (c) of
Section 830.5 who retired prior to January 1, 1981, shall have an
endorsement on the identification certificate stating that the
issuing agency approves the officer's carrying of a concealed
firearm.




California Community College Police departments fall under this penal code.


830.32. The following persons are peace officers whose authority
extends to any place in the state for the purpose of performing their
primary duty or when making an arrest pursuant to Section 836 as to
any public offense with respect to which there is immediate danger to
person or property, or of the escape of the perpetrator of that
offense, or pursuant to Section 8597 or 8598 of the Government Code.
Those peace officers may carry firearms only if authorized and under
terms and conditions specified by their employing agency.
(a) Members of a California Community College police department
appointed pursuant to Section 72330 of the Education Code, if the
primary duty of the police officer is the enforcement of the law as
prescribed in Section 72330 of the Education Code.
(b) Persons employed as members of a police department of a school
district pursuant to Section 38000 of the Education Code, if the
primary duty of the police officer is the enforcement of the law as
prescribed in Section 38000 of the Education Code.
(c) Any peace officer employed by a K-12 public school district or
California Community College district who has completed training as
prescribed by subdivision (f) of Section 832.3 shall be designated a
school police officer.


The agency determines wether or not they carry on duty and if I read correctly they are not automatically allowed to CCW off duty based on their LEO status since it specifies which type of LEO is exempt from 12025. It doesnt make a whole lot of sense but maybe there is a statute I'm missing.

[CalPolyGrad]

Disneyland only checks bags. They wont stop you and check to see if you are carrying concealed.

[avalon42]

Disneyland only checks bags. They wont stop you and check to see if you are carrying concealed.

Uh, you carry concealed into Disneyland?

[CalPolyGrad]

I'm just saying LA DEP could carry concealed into disneyland because they wont check. Just like how an employee from costco wont check you either.

[avalon42]

I'm just saying LA DEP could carry concealed into disneyland because they wont check. Just like how an employee from costco wont check you either.

Oh ok.

BTW, I know Knott's DOES check people who may be packing. Considering where it is and its clientèle, I can understand that...

[IMachU]

I've never been searched at Knotts, and I have season passes (I don't make enough money to have DLand season passes).

[DagoStar]

I went to Magic Mountain about 10 years ago and they checked...they were pretty accomodating at the time from what I recall.

[DagoStar]

I've never been searched at Knotts, and I have season passes (I don't make enough money to have DLand season passes).
I usually go to Knott's B-Farm every year during the free law enforcement days ;)

[LA DEP]

I went to Magic Mountain about 10 years ago and they checked...they were pretty accomodating at the time from what I recall.

Tragic Mountain checks because they NEED TOO.....place is wall to wall south siders anymore......Kinda like Universal Citywalk on Fri/Sat nights.....

[IMachU]

I will NEVER go to Magic Mountain again. Last time I was there (it was about 15 years ago) I just about drew down on some poo-butt with my family there. I got a refund and never went back.

[ask80]

i don't think the del mar fair allows LEO's to carry off duty. or did they change that?

[jato]

Uh, you carry concealed into Disneyland?


I just did 2 months ago! :D Mickey Mouse searched my bag, but missed my Glock 27 in my front pocket :)

I always carry at Knotts too. We go every year during LE discount days.

[DagoStar]

i don't think the del mar fair allows LEO's to carry off duty. or did they change that? This was a big battle a few years ago and this is from the fair's website... the simple answer is yes you can with proper identification.

For the safety of our guests and employees, guns may not be brought onto the Fairgrounds. However, off-duty, qualified law enforcement officers (as defined in 18 U.S.C. section 926B) or qualified, retired law enforcement officers (as defined in 18 U.S.C. section 926C) will be allowed to carry concealed weapons into the Fair.

These individuals must identify themselves to Security at the Fair’s entrances with the proper credentials required by law. The credentials required of qualified off-duty or retired law enforcement officers by 18 U.S.C. sections 926B and 926C will be verified by a San Diego County Sheriff’s deputy. In addition, qualified off-duty and retired law enforcement officers will be required to sign a document attesting to their compliance with all pertinent state and federal laws and the policies and procedures of their individual employers; and, that they are not at the time of entry, nor will be while on the Fairgrounds, under the influence of alcohol or any intoxicating or hallucinatory drug.

Qualified off-duty or retired law enforcement officers with questions about this policy may contact the Fair’s Security Office at pkerins@sdfair.com. News media with questions may contact the Fair's Media Office at kpaegert@sdfair.com. Members of the public with questions may contact info@sdfair.com.

[avalon42]

I've never been searched at Knotts, and I have season passes (I don't make enough money to have DLand season passes).

I was referring to the gang-banger thug types that usually show up there...they get profiled by security pretty fast...

...I've seen their "random" security checks. :D

[IMachU]

Yeah. those Knott's guys do a good job hemming up the gangsters at times.

[Fuzz]

i don't think the del mar fair allows LEO's to carry off duty. or did they change that?

They did try to ban LEO's from carrying off duty there, but it was fought and successfully won. They gave some BS excuse of not wanting an offduty getting involved for public safety issues......pretty ridiculous. The problem with them banning LEO's CCW stems from the fact that it is public land.....it doesnt fall under private property rights such as Disneyland,etc. As mentioned above there are certain requirements when entering, but it is illegal for them to prevent an LEO from CCW.

[willowdared]

What happened??

I'm guessing he ran into a "familiar" dirt bag?

[IMachU]

Wow....I go play a softball game, and come back to some impatient people! Relax, Alonzo!! Man!!!

Suffice it to say that there was a group of 10-15 Gs who shoved in line in front of me. I said nothing, as I'm not stupid. But two started to get the others riled up by asking, "What you gonna do, White Boy? Come on whitey! Do something!" They started to surround me and my family. We split. I was packing, but in a very crowded (the park admitted they oversold the park) environment, the gun was useless. The best thing to do was grab my wife and toddler son and beat feet.

Nothing unusual for that park.

[IMachU]

Hahahaha....I thought so. These ads are making the site load so sssllllloooooooowwwwwwwwwww for me too. Well heck, that's one way to get your post count up! :D :D

[DagoStar]

Wow....I go play a softball game, and come back to some impatient people! Relax, Alonzo!! Man!!!

Suffice it to say that there was a group of 10-15 Gs who shoved in line in front of me. I said nothing, as I'm not stupid. But two started to get the others riled up by asking, "What you gonna do, White Boy? Come on whitey! Do something!" They started to surround me and my family. We split. I was packing, but in a very crowded (the park admitted they oversold the park) environment, the gun was useless. The best thing to do was grab my wife and toddler son and beat feet.

Nothing unusual for that park. you should have fired a few warning shots in the air :eek:...lol. j/k :D

[avalon42]

Suffice it to say that there was a group of 10-15 Gs who shoved in line in front of me. I said nothing, as I'm not stupid. But two started to get the others riled up by asking, "What you gonna do, White Boy? Come on whitey! Do something!"

Family first man, but boy I hope they get theirs...soon. :mad:

[Badkharma]

you should have fired a few warning shots in the air :eek:...lol. j/k :D

LOL :D :eek:

[Meat]

The only places that get uppity about it are large attractions ect

1) Disneyland
2) Staples Center
3) Dodger Stadium
4) Universal Studios

NONE of those places get my $$$$$$$.....our Union has sent letters asking them to allow off duty LEO to carry....some ignored the letter...Dodger Stadium and Staples sent a somewhat politely worded p**s off letter back.....to which the union sent out a letter asking that we boycott those areas, and advised them of that.....

Dang, I guess I got lucky during my last trip to Cali last summer, when I carried my Kimber Ultra Carry II 1911 into all 4 of those places! lol

[shillxsh]

In order for you to not be allowed to carry, it must be prohibited by law or clearly posted at all entrances to a private company. I would personally think any general mention of firearms being prohibited would apply to non peace officers, and if they don't want me carrying, it should say specifically no firearms allowed on property including off duty peace officers.

[LA DEP]

Dang, I guess I got lucky during my last trip to Cali last summer, when I carried my Kimber Ultra Carry II 1911 into all 4 of those places! lol

How did you get past the metal detectors at Staples?.....:eek:

[ravens#70]

If you are complying with HR 218 you can carry across state lines. However, to answer the original question, any recognized PEACE OFFICER within the State of California may CCW anywhere within the state - except State Prisons and a few areas that are posted NO CCW by anyone. A San Diego Police Officer is a California PEACE officer and is not restricted by other counties within the state.

Would that apply for SDSD Deputies(Detentions/Courts)?

Take Care and Stay Safe

[ask80]

I don't think SDSO D/C deputies have peace officer powers off duty and have to carry with a CCW. i may be wrong. hmm...

[avalon42]

Would that apply for SDSD Deputies(Detentions/Courts)?

Take Care and Stay Safe

Nope. SD Detentions/Courts have limited peace officer status/capacity, which means its only while on-duty and execution of those duties are they allowed to carry. It's just like OC Sheriff's SSOs (Sheriff's Special Officer).

[shillxsh]

SD Detentions deputies don't have peace officer powers off duty, but they are employed full time as peace officers with peace officer powers state wide, and have peace officer CCW rights.

[avalon42]

SD Detentions deputies don't have peace officer powers off duty, but they are employed full time as peace officers with peace officer powers state wide, and have peace officer CCW rights.

So they don't have to get an employee CCW issued by their department? They just carry with their cred/badge within California only?

[JRODF4]

I carry my CCW into COSTCO all the time, today as a matter of fact COSTCO off of Friars Rd.

Off duty CO for CDCr.

[ask80]

So they don't have to get an employee CCW issued by their department? They just carry with their cred/badge within California only?

C/D deputies get issued a CCW but can't just carry with cred/badge. on their id card is a ccw endorsement on the back.

[socaldep1]

C/D deputies get issued a CCW but can't just carry with cred/badge. on their id card is a ccw endorsement on the back.

That is correct. San Diego Detentions Deps are sworn peace officers according to penal code 830.1.(c) According to the CA attorney general website any officer that falls under 830.1 meets the statutory arrest powers requirement of HR 218 (LEOSA). They can therefore carry anywhere on cred/badge if they meet the other requirements which they do.

[jato]

PC 803.1 (c) Any deputy sheriff of the County of Los Angeles, and any deputy sheriff of the Counties of … San Diego… is a peace officer whose authority extends to any place in the state only while engaged in the performance of the duties of his or her respective employment and for the purpose of carrying out the primary function of employment relating to his or her custodial assignments, or when performing other law enforcement duties directed by his or her employing agency during a local state of emergency.

Corrections Deputies, now called Deputy Sheriff Detentions are not POST Certified Peace Officers. They do not hold a POST Academy Certificate and they are not eligible for Basic, Intermediate, Advanced, etc. POST Certificates.

CDs can now CCW per state law. Prior to the change in state law, they had to apply for a CCW like any other non-LEO.