Duty Guns of Southern California Agencies

[L8SHIFT]

Due to this question being asked frequently we should probably post the answers in this thread. I can speak for the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

Issued: Beretta 92F 9mm

Optional: Heckler and Koch USP .45 full and compact size
(most popular and my choice)

Heckler and Koch P2000 9mm full and compact (SK) size
Beretta Cougar .45
Ruger .45 (Havent seen one yet)

We also have approval for tactical lights, holsters and the Crimson Trace laser grips for the Beretta 92F models. (Laser Tac Lights also approved)

Our weapons staff is currently testing the following for duty use. They recently invited line staff to also test fire these guns and give imput:

Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm and .45 (jamming issues during test)
Sig Saurer P220 .45 (Nice Gun)

Just listing duty weapons.

[DagoStar]

San Diego Sheriff's Department

Glock 22 with TLR-1 Tac Light

[ask80]

i believe LASDs USP and P2000 have to be certain specific models, i know for sure the p2000 DAO

[LA DEP]

The USP has to be a 'DA/SA' type trigger....same as the Beretta 92 has.....double action on first round, single action after...

L8T,

You forgot some of the S&W autos in 45 ACP.....

Weapons Training is also testing the wazoo new Sig...the Model 250?....they will be testing the HK45 and HK45c when HK sends some over.....

[jato]

San Diego Sheriff's Department

Glock 22 with TLR-1 Tac Light
The Glock 22 is required for uniform duty.

Plain clothes / off-duty just about any semi-auto (including Browning Hi-Powers and 1911s) or revolver in .38 or .357

+

Remington 870 w/ 14" barrel

+

Colt AR-15 A2 carbine

[SoCalSheriff]

Riverside SO:
Sidearms:
Any (almost) Semi auto made by Sig Sauer, H&K, Glock, Beretta, or Smith and Wesson as long as it is chambered in 9mm, .40 S&W, or .45 ACP.

Also, any 6 or 7 shot revolver, made by Colt or S&W, chambered in .38 special or .357 magnum, 4-6 inch barrel, in either blued or stainless steel finish.

Yes we still authorize wheelguns for duty carry, but I have not seen one yet. I was however tempted to sport my 686 while I was in the jail though.....

Long guns: Remington 870 shotguns
Patrol rifle: Any AR type rifle as long as it is made by Bushmaster, Armalite or Colt.

[L8SHIFT]

The USP has to be a 'DA/SA' type trigger....same as the Beretta 92 has.....double action on first round, single action after...

L8T,

You forgot some of the S&W autos in 45 ACP.....

Weapons Training is also testing the wazoo new Sig...the Model 250?....they will be testing the HK45 and HK45c when HK sends some over.....

My bad, I forgot about those. I've only seen 1 in a duty rig since .45's were approved and that was before the HK USP's made the list.

[Stugotz]

To the deputies and police officers who've replied, thank you, this is great to know! :)

Question:

Do you recommend a rookie deputy should stick with the issued Beretta 92F (e.g. during probation) because it may seem salty if one quickly upgrades to another gun?

[ask80]

yes stick with the beretta.
we're getting the rem 870 w/ surefire lights. good bye ithacas. :(
we also got some ar15s with sweet eotech holosites.

[Mike1904]

Riverside County Sheriffs Department Sig p226 two tone with tlr-1

[IMachU]

Al Co Police, issued Glock 22 .40 cal. That's all we can carry, unless we take a conversion course for the Glock 21 .45 cal. However, if we carried an H&K USP before we ditched the Berettas, we can carry the USP45. For backups, we can carry J frames or the tiny Glocks in 9mm or .40 cal.

[LA DEP]

Al Co Police, issued Glock 22 .40 cal. That's all we can carry, unless we take a conversion course for the Glock 21 .45 cal. However, if we carried an H&K USP before we ditched the Berettas, we can carry the USP45. For backups, we can carry J frames or the tiny Glocks in 9mm or .40 cal.

What are ya all gonna do when you have to go back to Berettas?:D

[IMachU]

I'm keeping my USP45...don't care about the Glock....I just carry it off duty anyway. So I'm set!! :D :D Heck, most people qualified better with the Beretta compared to the Glock anyways.

[LA DEP]

I'm keeping my USP45...don't care about the Glock....I just carry it off duty anyway. So I'm set!! :D :D Heck, most people qualified better with the Beretta compared to the Glock anyways.

Good man.....I shoot WAY better with my USP than I did with the Beretta.....

[Five-0fromSoCal]

To the deputies and police officers who've replied, thank you, this is great to know! :)

Question:

Do you recommend a rookie deputy should stick with the issued Beretta 92F (e.g. during probation) because it may seem salty if one quickly upgrades to another gun?

I might be wrong, but I heard you can train in the academy with whatever gun you upgrade to.

[lapd4me]

For the LAPD:

Glock 17,19,34,22,23,35,21 (glock 22 is issued)

All glocks must have a 5.5 lbs trigger connector.

Additionally:
- Non-uniform on-duty,backup,off-duty
Glock 30

- Back up or off duty: in addition to the above pistols
Glock 26,27,36

Approved tac-lights:
M3
X300
TLR-1

[SpecialBlend]

lapd4me, I was told that the X300 isn't approved yet but will be shortly.

[lapd4me]

Guess it just recently received approval. We were told on Friday by our firearms instructor that it was one of the approved tac-lights and we were shown all three lights (m3, x300, and tlr-1) in addition to three different holsters.

If anyone knows which holsters I'm talking about, I'm curious as to what the preference is out there. I forget the names of the holsters, but one looks basically like our issued holster (all leather, button snap) and the other two were more similar to LAXPD's holsters with the thumbed-forward strap. Of the two, one just had the thumbed-forward strap, and the other had additional security features including a front-guard to prevent a karate chop/weapon grab from the front, and an additional thumb release to pull out the weapon. I think as a class we're leaning towards the last holster I mentioned... although it is most certainly non-compliant with the KISS protocol. Personally I think the thumbed-forward strap holster would be fine. That super-holster that many of my classmates seem to like just seems too wazoo for me.

[SpecialBlend]

Alonzo, new LAPD officers are. That's my backup right now. The S&W 442 or 642 are the ones you are talking about right?

lapd4me, you're talking about the regular Don Hume ones (the ones we get issued with the snap) and the Safariland holsters (the ones that have the rollover). The third one you are talking about is a Safariland with a cover over there you release the rollover. I'd recommend getting used to the issued one and the regular safariland one as I'm not sure how your TO will act when he sees the last one.

What class are you in for LAPD?

[nobodyjr]

SDPD: Issued Sig 229r in 9mm. But we can carry pretty much anything we want after that. (Like other on this board I'm carrying the HK USP45f with the m2 light). There are still a lot of older issued guns (smith's and rugers) out there. A lot of other sigs, glocks, XD's, etc. I've seen a few really high end 1911's too (Les Bear, Springfield, & Wilson)


Escondido and Chula Vista are issued 226's. Chula in 9mm, not sure about Escondido.

Harbor and El Cajon PD get 40 cal Glocks. El Cajon has the TRL tac light issued.

Oceanside PD and SD Community College have 9mm Glocks.
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SDPD, Oceanside, and El Cajon can all use personally owned AR-15's. And every agency in the county carries a shotgun in the car, except El Cajon, which has a no shot gun policy.
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San Bernardino sheriff issues 40 cal glocks, I believe, and SBPD issues the USP 45.

[Badkharma]

Riverside County Sheriffs Department Sig p226 two tone with tlr-1

That's not their standard issue though, that's just one on the approved list - so I assume that's your personal gun? Very nice - I like the 226.

[SouthLACop]

Alonzo, new LAPD officers are. That's my backup right now. The S&W 442 or 642 are the ones you are talking about right?

lapd4me, you're talking about the regular Don Hume ones (the ones we get issued with the snap) and the Safariland holsters (the ones that have the rollover). The third one you are talking about is a Safariland with a cover over there you release the rollover. I'd recommend getting used to the issued one and the regular safariland one as I'm not sure how your TO will act when he sees the last one.

What class are you in for LAPD?

Go academy stock your first day, if you work day watch, no need for the light attached. If you work morning watch, ask your TO if you can switch out holsters for your light. DO NOT where anything else while on probation. After probation, you can where what you like. I like the Ted Blocker holsters, sold at the academy, swivel all the way for me.

[lapd4me]

Alonzo, new LAPD officers are. That's my backup right now. The S&W 442 or 642 are the ones you are talking about right?

lapd4me, you're talking about the regular Don Hume ones (the ones we get issued with the snap) and the Safariland holsters (the ones that have the rollover). The third one you are talking about is a Safariland with a cover over there you release the rollover. I'd recommend getting used to the issued one and the regular safariland one as I'm not sure how your TO will act when he sees the last one.

What class are you in for LAPD?

I forgot which 2" revolvers were allowed as backups so I omitted them, thanks for clearing that up. I'm used to the don hume holster and I'll DEFINITELY take Southlacops advice and use that during probation unless told to do otherwise. (southlacop, you probably saved me from being chewed out on my first watch...that would have been a bad start!)

And to answer your question specialblend, I'm in the 3A class.

[SpecialBlend]

I'm in the 11-07 class, got my badge on Friday so I have 4 weeks left till I go out into the streets.

southlacop, I was planning on doing that. I was just curious cause I have a friend who graduated at the end of Feb and he's working morning watch at newton and his TO won't let him use his tac light and holster yet.

[CalPolyGrad]

I'm in the 11-07 class, got my badge on Friday so I have 4 weeks left till I go out into the streets.

southlacop, I was planning on doing that. I was just curious cause I have a friend who graduated at the end of Feb and he's working morning watch at newton and his TO won't let him use his tac light and holster yet.

Do you know if they let you wear gloves?

[lapd4me]

I'm in the 11-07 class, got my badge on Friday so I have 4 weeks left till I go out into the streets.

southlacop, I was planning on doing that. I was just curious cause I have a friend who graduated at the end of Feb and he's working morning watch at newton and his TO won't let him use his tac light and holster yet.

Good stuff. Congrats on getting the badge. What do they have you doing in the last four weeks of the academy?

[DOAcop38]

L.A. Airport PD:

("just as long as you don't shoot granny from Des Moines,Iowa or that japanese tourist")


Issued : Beretta 92FS and GLOCK 17 (Current LAPD academy recruits are issued GLOCK 22) beretta 96 and the older 8000/8040/8045 cougar series,beretta 9000 series

ON duty carry :

1)ALL GLOCK series pistols in 9mm/.40 cal/.45 cal

2) Smith and Wesson pistols- 5906,5946,456 TSW ,4506( younger officers rarely carry them)-off duty,3913,910,908,410

3)Sig Sauer 220,226,229

Off duty- any combo of S&W, Beretta, GLOCK, or Sig sauer in 9mm/.40 cal/.45 cal.

Patrol officers carry,in addition- Remington 870 shotguns with 14" barrel and surefiremounted tac lights. Officers additionally trained ,carry AR-15 series rifles with collapsible stocks and AIMPOINT/EOTECH sighting equip.All officers are issued X-26 tasers as well as 40mm grenade and less lethal impact round launchers with eotech sights

SRT officers carry HK UMP .45 cal subguns and COLT M-4 full auto rifles + GLOCK 21 .45 cal pistols

all officers are allowed the M3 or M6 tac light or combo with CTC laser aimgrips.

[SpecialBlend]

CalPolyGrad, not that I know of. When did you graduate from Cal Poly? I graduated from there too back in 2006 with a degree in Criminal Justice.

lapd4me, thanks. We have a couple more exams left and also we have to qualify with our backups and whatnot.

[Sgt.Reality]

LAPD also allows S&W 4500 series for us older coppers.
Beretta Cougar .45's okay as well.


And, of course, Kimber issued S/A autos for D team and SIS.

Surefire M series lights were the first tac lights approved, tested by all of Metro, I had an A, went to a B.


Any light is better than none. Any UPR (AR/M-4) , is pretty much useless at night without a light to utilize the sights.


I'm a fan of retention holsters, if you actually go out and to obs arrests, chances are you are going to get into fights. A decent holster coupled with some basic retention skills, grappling goes a long ways in weapon retention success.

[CalPolyGrad]

CalPolyGrad, not that I know of. When did you graduate from Cal Poly? I graduated from there too back in 2006 with a degree in Criminal Justice.

lapd4me, thanks. We have a couple more exams left and also we have to qualify with our backups and whatnot.

I'm class of 2008. Did you graduate from Cal Poly SLO? Cal Poly Pomona only has a minor in criminal justice. I had to major in sociology with an emphasis in criminology. My friend who graduated 2007 joined LAPD too. He is almost done with probation, and he tells me its fun :D. Congrats to you because I just took the PQE last week at school haha.

[DagoStar]

So, SDSD actually issues tac lights, and the holsters that fit them? I had to spend a buck for my own. Yep they are issuing them out.. All LE Deputies are going though training on tasers and the new guns/lights/holsters. I think the transitioning is almost complete.

[Mike1904]

That's not their standard issue though, that's just one on the approved list - so I assume that's your personal gun? Very nice - I like the 226.

Yeah but I really don't think we have standard issued guns at the S.O. they just pretty much give us a list of what we can carry. I think that you can still get issued a revolver if you want one.

[CommunityShield]

I'm class of 2008. Did you graduate from Cal Poly SLO? Cal Poly Pomona only has a minor in criminal justice. I had to major in sociology with an emphasis in criminology. My friend who graduated 2007 joined LAPD too. He is almost done with probation, and he tells me its fun :D. Congrats to you because I just took the PQE last week at school haha.

Cal Poly SLO dosen't do any criminal justice
fyi....;)

[Viffer]

San Bernardino sheriff issues 40 cal glocks, I believe, and SBPD issues the USP 45.


Actually San Bernardino Sheriff's gives you the option of the Glock 17 (9mm) or the Glock 21 (45 cal)...both with Trijicon Night Sights. The reason they skipped the Glock 22 (40 cal) is because the 40 cal ammo is more expensive than the 9mm and the 45 cal.

[Viffer]

Riverside County Sheriffs Department Sig p226 two tone with tlr-1

That is not Riverside Sheriff's Department's issued duty weapon. They actually do have a long list of authorized primary and secondary handguns. If you need that, PM me. Most people just purchase from that list since they don't feel comfortable with what the department actually does offer as a duty weapon which is a revolver. When I was going through backgrounds with RSO, my BI asked me what I'll be carrying as my duty weapon. I asked what does the department issue, and she said they currently issue a Walther gun. I have never heard of a Walther before, so I thought she said they issue a water gun. :o

[CalPolyGrad]

Cal Poly SLO dosen't do any criminal justice
fyi....;)

well Pomona doesn't have one either :p

[rapidarp]

EDIT: Got an IM with the answer.

[2971511]

United States Park Police We are also in Ca, but I guess it is considered Northern Ca.

Only On-Duty weapon: H&K P200 in .40 basically any tach light is approved
Some old timers still have the H&K P-7, but it is being phased out
Rem. 870 Shotgun (dept. issued) slug or 00 buck
M-16/M-4 Patol Rifle issued by Dept.
Off duty basically any semi-auto in .380, 9, or 40 cal. as long as it is not single action. I carry a Kahr K9,

Revolvers are also approved if there are at least .38 caliber.

[L8SHIFT]

Manhattan Beach Police Department issue: Sig Sauer 226 9mm.

[L8SHIFT]

Torrance Police Department issue: Glock 21 .45 Cal

[L8SHIFT]

Los Angeles County Department of Probation issue: Beretta 92FS 9mm

[L8SHIFT]

California Highway Patrol issue: Smith & Wesson S&W 4006 TSW .40 Cal

[L8SHIFT]

Santa Monica Police Department issue: H&K USP .45 Cal

[L8SHIFT]

Culver City Police Department issue: H&K USP .45 Cal :D

[L8SHIFT]

Long Beach Police Department now issues: several brands of .45 cal. I know they were issuing 38 cals. a few years ago. After graduation most officer bought .45's of various makes. I'm sure they had a list to choose from. I've been told they can carry GLOCKS, Para-Ordinance and Colts in .45 cal to name a few. Maybe an LBPD guy can give us the detailed scoop. Growing up in LB I remember these guys had some of the coolest single action 45's i've ever seen.

[ebdiesel]

For LASD can you use the USP .45 in the academy if you purchase it yourself?

Also, once on LASD patrol, will the dept. give you a letter to buy your own personal AR-15 for on-duty use?

[cruz0311]

I dont think you can, I've heard of guys buying their own P2000 and using it during the academy, but thats a 9mm. I have a USP 45 and I dont plan on using it till I get off patrol training.

For some reason if you go out there (depending on what station you go to) with anything other than you issued Beretta, it kinda looks salty and you want to avoid that.

You could do whatever you want, but perception is everything, but if you do get into the academy ask your staff see what they say.

[LA DEP]

For LASD can you use the USP .45 in the academy if you purchase it yourself?

Also, once on LASD patrol, will the dept. give you a letter to buy your own personal AR-15 for on-duty use?

Probably not.....unless you are having difficulty qualifying with the Beretta, they are not going to want you using anything else until after you graduate.....

Also, as pointed out above, showing up with anything other than issued gear to patrol training MIGHT get you marked as salty.....but, if you get the ok of your FTO FIRST, you would be ok.....

They are not giving out letters for ARs yet.....suppossed to be in the works, but it has not happened yet

[IMachU]

And if Gloria Molina has anything to do with it, letters will NEVER happen.

[OohRah! 176]

so...Riverside County Sheriff?

Is the issued gun a Walther, a revolver, a water gun, or none of the above?

Thanks,

~FoosH

[Viffer]

so...Riverside County Sheriff?

Is the issued gun a Walther, a revolver, a water gun, or none of the above?

Thanks,

~FoosH

They issue a Walther.

[Stugotz]

And if Gloria Molina has anything to do with it, letters will NEVER happen.

Glo Mo... Isn't she behind the effort to keep county deputy probation officers unarmed???? :eek:

[IMachU]

She's behind the effort to disarm the entire United States.

[DOAcop38]

Glo Mo... Isn't she behind the effort to keep county deputy probation officers unarmed???? :eek:
Kinda' late for that one- the Gang unit is already ARMED - I know the LASD OSS Gang Sgt who trains them in my patrol area( they use our facilities).... I guess old GLo Molina can get together with L.A. Councilpersons Jan ("pay me under the table") Perry,and Janice ( "associate grape st.crip") hahn and make sure that the Prob Officers don't hurt those "unfortunate victrims of the man"....:rolleyes:

[Stugotz]

She's behind the effort to disarm the entire United States.

Yes, Sir. With the exception of her People's Revolutionary Army (Cholos) that will be the new police force when she successfully incorporates East Los Angeles and becomes King-Mayor of her fiefdom.

[L8SHIFT]

Glo Mo... Isn't she behind the effort to keep county deputy probation officers unarmed???? :eek:

"YES", An armed probation officer where I work gave me the low down. The PO's that cover her areas "East Los Angeles and La Puente ect." are not armed. Maybe she'll change her mind when someone DIES.......:rolleyes: Unarmed Law Enforcement is like playing basketball without arms. You may be able to kick the ball into the goal every now and then but those guys with arms are gonna murder you.:eek:

[Viffer]

Kaphow, attached is the RSD authorized weapons list you requested.

[ebdiesel]

State law allows officers to have a Full CCW. A CCW allows you to carry any weapon of your choice.....However, many depts. have off duty carry policies....Tech, that is not really legal as seen in previous case law. However, that still happens...

[LA DEP]

State law allows officers to have a Full CCW. A CCW allows you to carry any weapon of your choice.....However, many depts. have off duty carry policies....Tech, that is not really legal as seen in previous case law. However, that still happens...

and that is only IF you can get a CCW in your county..........Dont even bother applying in LA county......they WILL not issue to us in any case regardless.....our creds ARE our CCW per state law, so the agency will only issue CCW for Reserves....and if they violate policy, they are no longer reserves with us.....

What is the case you are citing?

[ebdiesel]

Well, according to even federal officers can carry off duty. Since you are not being paid for off-duty, the court case found that the dept. cannot control what you carry since the law allows for full ccw powers to police...Its not just a dept policy...i read it a while back ill try and find it...

[IMachU]

Huh? Yes, the department can mandate what you carry off duty. If you don't follow the rules set forth by the agency, you may not work there very long.

[LA DEP]

State law allows officers to have a Full CCW. A CCW allows you to carry any weapon of your choice.....However, many depts. have off duty carry policies....Tech, that is not really legal as seen in previous case law. However, that still happens...

Something else to consider.....say you get into a shooting while off duty, and you are carrying a weapon that is not authorized.......you have just opened yourself up civilily (this IS SoCal, after all).....and because you are out of policy by carrying a non-authorized weapon, the Dept may wash its hands of you, and REFUSE to cover you in civil court........although this has not happened to the best of my knowledge, it HAS been mentioned on more than one occasion......

[BlackCar]

What are the approved duty and off duty weapons for OCSD? I know they issue G22's.

[ebdiesel]

No- if you are not on the clock, the dept cannot tell you what to carry. that is what the court found b/c of that and the fact that the state/fed law allows you to carry, not the dept. Sure the dept might not cover you in court but if you use the weapon in the right situation, you wont have any issues.

[Viffer]

What are the approved duty and off duty weapons for OCSD? I know they issue G22's.


Just about any 9mm/40/45...Glock, Sig, S&W. I think the HK is authorized too.

The Glock 22 is very nice...short trigger reset. For your off duty weapon, you should get the compact version of the 22, so you can use the full sized magaines in your compact.

[Viffer]

What are the approved duty and off duty weapons for OCSD? I know they issue G22's.

[Viffer]

What are the approved duty and off duty weapons for OCSD? I know they issue G22's.


Just about any 9mm/40/45...Glock, Sig, S&W. I think the HK is authorized too.

The Glock 22 is very nice...short trigger reset. For your off duty weapon, you should get the compact version of the 22, so you can use the full sized magaines in your compact.

[Viffer]

What are the approved duty and off duty weapons for OCSD? I know they issue G22's.

Just about any 9mm/40/45...Glock, Sig, S&W. I think the HK is authorized too.

The Glock 22 is very nice...short trigger reset. For your off duty weapon, you should get the compact version of the 22, so you can use the full sized magaines in your compact.

[BlackCar]

Just about any 9mm/40/45...Glock, Sig, S&W. I think the HK is authorized too.

The Glock 22 is very nice...short trigger reset. For your off duty weapon, you should get the compact version of the 22, so you can use the full sized magaines in your compact.

That's a very vague answer. Do you know this for a fact?

[LA DEP]

No- if you are not on the clock, the dept cannot tell you what to carry. that is what the court found b/c of that and the fact that the state/fed law allows you to carry, not the dept. Sure the dept might not cover you in court but if you use the weapon in the right situation, you wont have any issues.

You STILL have not given us the case that says this.......I am pretty sure we would have heard about any such case law by now, as there would have been a couple on the dept that would have tried it........I checked with both our weapons training staff (who got a good laugh out of it) and our union.....both said NO WAY......

I would STRONGLY suggest that you re-think applying for LASD then.......this is something that they CAN AND WILL discipline you for....never mind getting to the point of using the weapon or not.....if a supervisor SEES you with the weapon, then you will be told in no uncertain terms not to carry it.....2nd offense, IAB investigation......

[Viffer]

That's a very vague answer. Do you know this for a fact?


Yes, unless they've changed it in the last year. I was with them when they were issuing S&W 99...since that gun sucked, I was authorized to carry the Sig P226. I inquired about the authorized weapons as I was debating between the Glock and the Sig. I just don't remember what they said about the Sig.

I do know that they don't authorize the Glocks that have the pressure release on the top. I forgot the names of those guns...it basically reduces the recoil dramatically, which shooting some form of gas from the top of the gun. When shot at night, it's like giving a light show.

[Viffer]

That's a very vague answer. Do you know this for a fact?

One more thing...OCSD does not authorize lights on their handguns.

[pulicords]

I do know that they don't authorize the Glocks that have the pressure release on the top. I forgot the names of those guns...it basically reduces the recoil dramatically, which shooting some form of gas from the top of the gun. When shot at night, it's like giving a light show.

I believe you're talking about compensated model Glocks with cuts in the barrel to divert gases up, thereby diminishing muzzle jump. The vented gases are extremely bright at night and can make it difficult to realign your sights quickly.

[BlackCar]

Yes, unless they've changed it in the last year. I was with them when they were issuing S&W 99...since that gun sucked, I was authorized to carry the Sig P226. I inquired about the authorized weapons as I was debating between the Glock and the Sig. I just don't remember what they said about the Sig.

I do know that they don't authorize the Glocks that have the pressure release on the top. I forgot the names of those guns...it basically reduces the recoil dramatically, which shooting some form of gas from the top of the gun. When shot at night, it's like giving a light show.

Thank you for clarifying. I wasn't questioning what you were saying initially, just that it wasn't clear because you said "just about any..." and I wasn't sure what that included.

Do you know anything about off duty carry if it has to also be part of the list of glocks/sigs/s&w?

It's too bad that they don't allow weapon lights. Do you know any reason for this?

[Viffer]

Thank you for clarifying. I wasn't questioning what you were saying initially, just that it wasn't clear because you said "just about any..." and I wasn't sure what that included.

Do you know anything about off duty carry if it has to also be part of the list of glocks/sigs/s&w?

It's too bad that they don't allow weapon lights. Do you know any reason for this?

Which off duty are you looking to get? A lot of the deps their carry the Glock 27 (subcompact) since it can use the Glock 22 mags. While there are other deps who like to carry a small revolver as their off duty weapon.

If you intend to carry a backup weapon, you will need to qualify with it at the range.

If you are asking me if there is a list for off duty weapons, then no...because that is your personal piece which you don't carry when you're 10-8.

There is a difference between "off duty" and "backup or secondary" weapons.

Hope this helps.

[BlackCar]

I see what you're saying now. I was wondering if there was a mandatory off-duty carry. I did not know that OCSD did not regulate your off duty weapon since that seemed to be the debate on the previous post with other depts.

I'm not officially a Dep yet, and since I'll be spending 5+ years in jail after I graduate, duty gear/duty weapon purchases are taking a back seat to off duty considerations. I mainly shoot .45 so I'm hoping to off duty and backup a G36 or G30SF, and when I eventually go 10-8, I'll go for a G21SF as my main weapon.

Thanks again Viffer.

[endagrey]

CDCR- Division of Adult Parole Operations:

A variety of Smith & Wesson hand guns similar to CHP- 9mm and .40 cal

H&K USP (full size or compact)- 9mm and .40 cal

Smith and Wesson M&P (pending)- 9mm and .40 cal

:)

[LA DEP]

LASD has just authorized the following Sig-Sauer weapons for duty use....

P220 in 45 acp
P226 in 9mm
P229 in 9mm

Only those models with the double action/single action style triggers are authorized

[syphon157]

LASD has just authorized the following Sig-Sauer weapons for duty use....

P220 in 45 acp
P226 in 9mm
P229 in 9mm

Only those models with the double action/single action style triggers are authorized

All I can say is its about time!

[LA DEP]

All I can say is its about time!

None of these do anything for me.....being left handed sucks sometimes.....

None of these models of Sig can be converted to a lefty configuration.....unlike my USP.....

[pulicords]

LASD has just authorized the following Sig-Sauer weapons for duty use....

P220 in 45 acp
P226 in 9mm
P229 in 9mm

Only those models with the double action/single action style triggers are authorized

Good for them. Nice weapons systems.

Santa Monica PD:
Issue for Uniformed Patrol: H&K USP .45 LEM (DAO) trigger system pistols (w/light system)
Issue for plainclothes details: H&K USP .45 or 9mm Compact DA/SA pistols

Optional duty/off-duty/backup (person owned/dept Ok'd):
Any conventional DA/SA or DAO semi-automatic pistol with a hammer (no striker fired weapons) in .45 ACP, .40 S&W or 9mm produced by: H&K, Sig-Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Beretta, or other firearm determined by the rangemaster as "safe" and suitable for duty purposes.

Any "1911" type SAO .45 or 9mm pistol (Colt, Wilson, Springfield Armory, Nighthawk Custom, etc...) approved by the rangemaster as "safe" and suitable for duty purposes, provided the officer has attended a department approved training program for these weapons and qualified with same.

For backup/off-duty only: .38 or .357 caliber revolvers (using only department approved .38 Special ammunition) made by Colt or Smith and Wesson. .380 ACP pistols with a hammer (no striker fired weapons).

[hankido2000]

None of these do anything for me.....being left handed sucks sometimes.....

None of these models of Sig can be converted to a lefty configuration.....unlike my USP.....
The USP can be configured for us lefties?

[LA DEP]

The USP can be configured for us lefties?

Yes, it can....

You would either need to order it as a 'lefty', or buy a regular version, and a left hand conversion kit......

This changes the safety lever over to the left hand side......mag release levers are already ambi to start with......

[LA DEP]

BTW, when I say the Sigs 'dont do anything for me' dont take it to say I think the weapons system sucks.....Sigs are great weapons....just cant really be used by left handed shooters......

Thats it,,,,I feel discriminated against.....someone write me a check to sooth my hurt feelings......:D

[L8SHIFT]

BTW, when I say the Sigs 'dont do anything for me' dont take it to say I think the weapons system sucks.....Sigs are great weapons....just cant really be used by left handed shooters......

Thats it,,,,I feel discriminated against.....someone write me a check to sooth my hurt feelings......:D

I'll sell you another HK with Tac light.. This will help me get my sig....:D Just kidding. I'm thinking about getting the 229 Elite stainless with wood grips in 9mm for plain clothes detail...:cool:

[pulicords]

BTW, when I say the Sigs 'dont do anything for me' dont take it to say I think the weapons system sucks.....Sigs are great weapons....just cant really be used by left handed shooters......

Thats it,,,,I feel discriminated against.....someone write me a check to sooth my hurt feelings......:D

Tell Sheriff Baca how you feel (he's all about feelings after all) and that the only way to address this (horrible discrimination) is to approve the Sig P250. It has slide release levers on both sides and a reversible magazine release. Since it's a DAO, there's no decocking lever, making the gun totally "friendly" to southpaws! Demand equal protection for lefties!!!

[LA DEP]

Tell Sheriff Baca how you feel (he's all about feelings after all) and that the only way to address this (horrible discrimination) is to approve the Sig P250. It has slide release levers on both sides and a reversible magazine release. Since it's a DAO, there's no decocking lever, making the gun totally "friendly" to southpaws! Demand equal protection for lefties!!!

As soon as they make it in a real round (45 acp) then we can talk:D

I've already coughed up almost a grand for the USP in 45 acp, with night sites , tac light, mags ect.....

another 800 for a USP compact in 45 acp......

Think I'll stick with H&K for now.....

[pulicords]

As soon as they make it in a real round (45 acp) then we can talk:D

Last I heard, the .45 ACP versions will be available in the fall. I bought mine (in 9mm) a couple of months ago knowing that the other calibers weren't going to be out until after I'd retired. Not a problem though! I was able to buy high capacity magazines in .40 S&W before my EOW and the .45 ACP conversion kits won't be high capacity even in the "full sized" versions.

If I decide later to change the pistol to .45, I can order up the parts including any magazine(s) to do so. The nice thing about the P250 system is the ability to change your gun's size, as well as caliber! Now, if they'd just make the .40 compact conversion kits available to go with my 13 round magazines.;)

[DOAcop38]

As soon as they make it in a real round (45 acp) then we can talk:D

I've already coughed up almost a grand for the USP in 45 acp, with night sites , tac light, mags ect.....

another 800 for a USP compact in 45 acp......

Think I'll stick with H&K for now.....

I know you love 45acp ,BUT the .40 cal does penetrate BETTER and delivers some pretty good hhhmmmph !!! was on the range banging away with my .45 cal beretta then my .40 cal glock on an old level IV ballistic entry sheild(courtesy of our Bros from the now defunct L.A. housing authority PDs Tacitcal entry team) the .45 in 230 gr JHP was making some rather poor deformation and showed little if any outstanding impact,whereas the .40 cal in 180 gr JHP made much "uglier" dings on that shield and somewhat deeper deformation-bigger and slower is just that- big and slow;but hey- if it works for ya' I'm happy( especially when we can chat about it):D

We have been having ALOT of problems with SIG overhere lately- several rather "new" guns have gone down over the worst type of malfunctions!! one of our rangemasters has been complaining that there are some quality control issues with sigarms.FWIW- i got to fire a friends H&K USP;really liked it !

[LA DEP]

I know you love 45acp ,BUT the .40 cal does penetrate BETTER and delivers some pretty good hhhmmmph !!! was on the range banging away with my .45 cal beretta then my .40 cal glock on an old level IV ballistic entry sheild(courtesy of our Bros from the now defunct L.A. housing authority PDs Tacitcal entry team) the .45 in 230 gr JHP was making some rather poor deformation and showed little if any outstanding impact,whereas the .40 cal in 180 gr JHP made much "uglier" dings on that shield and somewhat deeper deformation-bigger and slower is just that- big and slow;but hey- if it works for ya' I'm happy( especially when we can chat about it):D

We have been having ALOT of problems with SIG overhere lately- several rather "new" guns have gone down over the worst type of malfunctions!! one of our rangemasters has been complaining that there are some quality control issues with sigarms.FWIW- i got to fire a friends H&K USP;really liked it !

40 SW is a pretty good round.....it is also a moot point for anyone that works for LASD.....

The range staff (and the powers that be) has pretty much said that it will be a cold day in hell before ANY weapon in 40 SW is authorized for the dept......the only way I could see this happening is if we went back to where you had to carry only what was issued, and then they issued something in 40........

[417Lt]

Back on Topic
Cal Fish and Game:
Primary -Glock 22, trij sights, M3 light optional
B/U - Glock 27
Scattergun - Rem 870, 18", SureFire, Davis stock
Real gun - M-14, (I got a "Tanker" with a short barrel)
:eek:Tranq gun - Pneu-Dart .50cal, 193SS w/scope and a generous supply of tiletemine hydrochloride, zolazepam, and Xylazine:p
personal tranq weapon - 11mm X 1M Teleinject blow gun with CO2 adapter for the rare days when I just don't have enough hot air.

[LA DEP]

Back on Topic
Cal Fish and Game:
Primary -Glock 22, trij sights, M3 light optional
B/U - Glock 27
Scattergun - Rem 870, 18", SureFire, Davis stock
Real gun - M-14, (I got a "Tanker" with a short barrel)
:eek:Tranq gun - Pneu-Dart .50cal, 193SS w/scope and a generous supply of tiletemine hydrochloride, zolazepam, and Xylazine:ppersonal tranq weapon - 11mm X 1M Teleinject blow gun with CO2 adapter for the rare days when I just don't have enough hot air.

How well would that work on,,,,,how to put this,,,,,'two legged animals'?:D

[417Lt]

How well would that work on,,,,,how to put this,,,,,'two legged animals'?
I imagine, :rolleyes:hypothetically speaking of course, that if an officer was to get into a situation where deadly force would be justified, and if there were no other options to protect their life or the life of another, (I'm ready to gag here) the tranq equipment would be effective. A few of us have talked about this and we decided that if a tranq gun was all we had, it might be better to use it like a club. A regular gun only does one real predictable thing when the trigger is pulled and the shooter is only required to make one decision: shoot / don't shoot. With a tranq gun the shooter is presumed to be in control of every aspect of the results of the shot. Of course, right now I'm at my desk thinking like a supervisor........
I have to mention- Of all the different agencies I work with on animal things, the LASD asks your same question the most. If you guys are considering a new tactic I'll help teach the class.:D:D:D

[L8SHIFT]

How well would that work on,,,,,how to put this,,,,,'two legged animals'?:D


LMAO.....:D

[L8SHIFT]

I like these Sig 229's for plain clothes detail:cool:... Can't wait for tax season to return...:D

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a225/l8shift/229EQXleft.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a225/l8shift/P229Eliteleft.jpg