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xraodcop
04-13-2008, 10:49 PM
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/content/articles/2008/04/12/front/678631_thumb.jpg

A local law enforcement officer, identified as State Trooper Craig Franklin, wears a mock KKK costume in this cell phone photo that was forwarded to other troopers at other posts.



http://images.townnews.com/sanduskyregister.com/content/articles/2008/04/12/front/6786312.jpg
Trooper Franklin

Two troopers at the Sandusky post of the Ohio State Highway Patrol nearly lost their jobs after one snapped a photo of the other dressed up in a Ku Klux Klan-like outfit and sent the picture to another trooper.

The third trooper, who worked at the Norwalk post, was also in hot water for his role in the incident.

The picture was taken with a cell phone camera at the Sandusky post on Jan. 20, 2008 -- the day before the national holiday tohonor slain civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Troopers Eric E. Wlodarsky and Craig T. Franklin, who were both on duty at the time, told an investigator the picture was taken as a joke and modeled after a skit by comedian Dave Chappelle.

The investigation began when the highway patrol's Administrative Investigative Unit received an anonymous letter postmarked Jan. 22 from Mansfield.

CommonGoal
04-13-2008, 10:54 PM
Seems like another case where something that was meant to be funny turned into a witch hunt. Damn cell phone cameras.

JonS
04-13-2008, 10:59 PM
told an investigator the picture was taken as a joke and modeled after a skit by comedian Dave Chappelle.


I think this says a lot. If an african american comedian does it, it's hilarious and "edgy".

If a white cop does it he's a racist, and should be reprimanded...

I don't get it, I just don't.

- js

quannj
04-13-2008, 11:11 PM
well speaking as i blk man it didn't bother me.. i recall the skit and it was funny as hell...

they said it was a joke...so i'll leave it
@ that

Sharp
04-13-2008, 11:16 PM
Jokes or not, that sort of stuff is probably best left at home behind closed doors. Common sense dictates that those sort of jokes arent fitting of an LEO.

DaLAW
04-13-2008, 11:17 PM
Quote:

"I think this says a lot. If an african american comedian does it, it's hilarious and "edgy"."


I don't remember any sketch Dave Chappelle did involving dressing up as a Klansman EXCEPT when he played the part of a BLIND, WHITE SUPREMACIST WHO HAPPENED TO BE BLACK AND DIDN'T KNOW IT. Thats why it was ironic and funny. THIS, is a White cop joking around as a Klansman. Thus, it really doesn't even make sense that he even referenced Dave Chappelle. THATS probably the difference between 'edgy and hilarious' and "that doesn't really make sense". That, and the fact that Chappelle is a comedian, and these are police officers. Comedians can do what they want. Its not just *Black* comedians. Have you ever heard of Andrew Dice Clay? Lenny Bruce? There probably Whiter than you and tell racial jokes all the time. White comedians can do racial commentary about Whites, Blacks, Jews, etc and its fine because its comedy. This whole thing about "Well Black Comedians say it and its fine but others can't! Thats not fair!" needs to stop because its not true. Lol, at least know what your talking about before you say something like that. People speaking with authority about the Comedy industry and don't even know anything about it...

ON TOPIC, I personally don't really care about this 'joke' and don't personally think its a big deal but well, when your an officer, it seems like you have to know if certain things get out, the public will have a field day with it...

equinox137
04-13-2008, 11:22 PM
I don't see a problem if it was as a joke...



I do. There's no place for that crap in LE.

There's enough problems with accusations of racism against LE without this BS.

theconstipated1
04-13-2008, 11:32 PM
What was supposed to be funny about that pic?

Sharp
04-13-2008, 11:55 PM
True but they didn't do it in their cruisers, they were in the station
and somehow the pic got out. They could of done off-duty and the
story would of been the same.

So youre saying its alright, since they didnt mean any harm?

-Erik-
04-13-2008, 11:57 PM
I do. There's no place for that crap in LE.

There's enough problems with accusations of racism against LE without this BS.Agreed (we agree :eek::p)

What one cop does, generally will reflect on all. Just look at all the "bad" taser incidents.

DaLAW
04-14-2008, 12:02 AM
Quote:

"It was a joke you need to understand that."


No offense, but you weren't there nor do you know anyone personally involved so you don't know the extent of the joke nor the context it was told in, aside from the officers involved re-telling the story, obviously with their bias. I'm not giving an opinion one way or another, but you seem to be lecturing others as if you have more authority on the subject, which you don't...



Quote:

"well speaking as i blk man it didn't bother me.. i recall the skit and it was funny as hell..."


I'm Black too, and it doesn't bother me, but I don't understand how you buy the story that it was inspired by Chappelle. The only joke Chappelle did involving the Klan wouldn't make sense for the White Officer to imitate. It doesn't even make sense to bring Chappelle into it...just nitpicking...

Bearcat357
04-14-2008, 12:04 AM
One can only hope that one of the idiots involved was the racist OHP Trooper that use to hang out here and over at RP......

NORCOCOP
04-14-2008, 12:05 AM
First that Chappell skd was Hillarious, second at no time would my white butt put on a sheet and think it was funny. We are supposed to be professionals and what do you expect the caught officers to say, of coures they are going to play it off as a joke. There is no way to know their intentions and no one with half of a brian would admit they were white supremecists and hated MLK and were intending on disrespecting his national holiday, so any explanatin offered is suspect . I don't know them and no almost no one who hears of this does, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....I don't have an opinion on what aught to happen to them, but if you stick it out, it may get cut off.

Sharp
04-14-2008, 12:15 AM
Yes that is exactly what I am saying.

It was a joke you need to understand that.

I dressed up as a terrorist once, SO WHAT?

I dressed up as a priest once (I'm Jewish), SO WHAT?

So....



What one cop does, generally will reflect on all. Just look at all the "bad" taser incidents.


There's enough problems with accusations of racism against LE without this BS.

Jokes are "Why did the chicken cross the road".
This was taken too far. Officers deal with enough crap from the public, the last thing they need are knuckleheads tagging officers as "racist". When you put the uniform on, you should be professional and hold yourself to a standard above the level of "dressing up like a terrorist as a joke".

NORCOCOP
04-14-2008, 12:22 AM
By the way NY what does a terrorist dress like? Hey I'm just sayin.

DaLAW
04-14-2008, 12:29 AM
Quote:

"Ok so what you are saying is that since we don't know
any of the officers personally we can't comment on this story..."


No, what I'm saying...is what I just said. You actually quoted it. No-where did I say we can't comment on it, obviously we all are. What I said, was that you seem to be speaking with a certain air-of-authority on the matter ("What you need to understand, is that it was a joke") which you don't have...

NORCOCOP
04-14-2008, 12:45 AM
I wish I had sved my e-mail I recieved the other day of a nekkid lady wearing a belt with TNT on it and nuttin else, now if all terrorist looked like her I'd be voluntering for a job in the costumes dept!

In all seriousness NY when someone tarnishs the badge it is not funny, it trickless down to all of us and gives us all a black eye. I can tolerate guys getting over excited in performance of thier duties and crossing the line or being a little too motivated, but Police work has no place antics such as these. There are too many ways to make legitimate mistakes to add to the problems with easily avoidable non sense.

I still remember my senior drill instructor giving us a talk about Marines who &^ck up. He made it clear any one else messes up and it's a soldier did this or that and it's pretty vague. BUT if a Marine gets caught slipping it says MARINE does such and such and it gives every brother before and after a bad name. I agreed then and I agree now, same story differnt uniform.

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 12:54 AM
Yes that is exactly what I am saying.

It was a joke you need to understand that.

I dressed up as a terrorist once, SO WHAT?

I dressed up as a priest once (I'm Jewish), SO WHAT?

So if I am at work and I dress up as hitler, holding up a sign that says "we did not gas enough", you see nothing wrong with that if I say it was a joke?

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 01:02 AM
Ok so what you are saying is that since we don't know
any of the officers personally we can't comment on this story...

We trust that what the officers said is true. Maybe it's not but
it's the information I was given.

You honestly think when questioned those officers are going to say "yes sir, I truly am a racist and yes I knew it was MLK's holiday"? Speaking of the holiday, isnt that a coincidence? And as a previous poster already stated, how the hell can you use the chappelle show skit as a crutch for defense? In that skit he was a black guy who "thought" he was white i.e. HE WAS BLIND. Unless OSP are hiring blind officers that trooper is full of it. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0065.gif

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 01:07 AM
Not the terrorist from real life, I am talking
about terrorist from movies.

Oh and bank robbers.

NOTE: THIS WAS A JOKE (THIS IS WHAT BEING BORED
DOES TO YOU)

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v97/15/32/588256317/n588256317_82822_3849.jpg

Terrorists/Bank robbers carry swords? That picture looks more like a cat burglar who is stuck in the past.

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 01:49 AM
CityCopDC One day I will also take every post you write
and make fun of all of them, you shall see :cool:

But....I wasnt making fun of you. Your picture TO ME looks nothing like a stereotypical terrorist or bank robber.
http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0507/Nahr_al_Bared_Palestinian_terrorist_camp.jpg

http://www.darleenclick.com/weblog/archives/terrorist_kidnappers-thumb.jpg

Had you strapped on some c4, donned an ak-47 or a pkm then I would say yea, you look like the stereotypical terrorist. But....you have a sword..... http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0065.gif

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 01:57 AM
Hey... what's that book in the top picture?

IMachU
04-14-2008, 02:06 AM
First that Chappell skd was Hillarious, second at no time would my white butt put on a sheet and think it was funny. We are supposed to be professionals and what do you expect the caught officers to say, of coures they are going to play it off as a joke. There is no way to know their intentions and no one with half of a brian would admit they were white supremecists and hated MLK and were intending on disrespecting his national holiday, so any explanatin offered is suspect . I don't know them and no almost no one who hears of this does, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....I don't have an opinion on what aught to happen to them, but if you stick it out, it may get cut off.

Outstanding response. I agree 100%.

LA DEP
04-14-2008, 02:07 AM
Hey... what's that book in the top picture?

Its an Easton Press copy of Moby Dick.....honest

tzbv2p
04-14-2008, 06:12 AM
Then you all wonder why minorities distrust the police?...... The fact of the matter is that these officers were ON DUTY in a POLICE UNIFORM! Jesus Christ!.....do you all really think this picture is kosher? Who cares what Dave Chappelle does?.....he is a freaking comedian, not a police officer.

Once again....some officers on officer.com hit a new low.....

equinox137
04-14-2008, 06:30 AM
Agreed (we agree :eek::p)

What one cop does, generally will reflect on all. Just look at all the "bad" taser incidents.

EXACTLY!!!!

WadsonF
04-14-2008, 06:41 AM
Why is everyone so hostile.

WadsonF
04-14-2008, 06:43 AM
Then you all wonder why minorities distrust the police?......

It's because of most of the profiling some do.

I can't remember the amount of times I've been profiled.

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 06:50 AM
Why is everyone so hostile.

I dont think its hostility but moreso an officer IN UNIFORM dressed/outfitted in less than savory attire.... :eek:

tzbv2p
04-14-2008, 07:19 AM
It's because of most of the profiling some do.

I can't remember the amount of times I've been profiled.


Its the actions of a few that make us all look rotten. Some officers out there seem to have forgotten that we must live our lives beyond reproach, because we are in the eye of the public......whether we like it or not

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 10:26 AM
Do we really have to answer that?

Well, if you had of answered, it would have set up perfectly my next comment. However, like most of the kids that post here, it's hard to tell where humour ends and the attitude problem begins.


Its an Easton Press copy of Moby Dick.....honest

See, now there was a good one...

As for the original topic - extremely dumb and offensive, but worth firing someone over? It should depend many things, the context in which the photo was in. For instance, was it a bad joke by a good officer, or bad joke by an officer with history of these lapses in judgment, or one known to have issues regarding race.

How about this scenario...

What if the three officers involved were hanging out on days off. After a couple of drinks, and some channel surfing, they watch a couple episodes of the Dave Chappelle show. One of which has the KKK skit in it. Together they have one of the best belly laughs of all time. After all Dave Chappelle playing a blind back guy that doesn't know he's black trying to join the clan sounds pretty hilarious.

So, on a quite shift without a lot going on, two of the troopers begin reminiscing about the belly laugh and how much fun they had. So, they decide to dress up using a t-shift and some paper to remind their buddy who laughed his butt off at the show.

So, should the two guys in this scenario lose their jobs?

DaLAW
04-14-2008, 10:26 AM
Quote:

"It's because of most of the profiling some do."


Lol, thats only part of the reason minorities don't trust the police. Don't forget, the police had a much more...political role...than some care to remember in the Civil-Rights Movement...

DaLAW
04-14-2008, 10:28 AM
Quote:

"So, on a quite shift without a lot going on, two of the troopers begin reminiscing about the belly laugh and how much fun they had. So, they decide to dress up using a t-shift and some paper to remind their buddy who laughed his butt off at the show."


What are they in 6th grade? Lol, if they were watching Winnie-the-Pooh, would they break out the bear costume? That scenario and this outcome is like a real life "Super Troopers" skit or something...

firefiend
04-14-2008, 10:41 AM
I think this says a lot. If an african american comedian does it, it's hilarious and "edgy".

If a white cop does it he's a racist, and should be reprimanded...

I don't get it, I just don't.

- js


The difference is the comedian isn't a uniformed officer.

Even off-duty I think this kind of "joke" is inappropriate. There is never a good time for a PO to dress in KKK-esque garb.

LeanG
04-14-2008, 11:00 AM
The context under which this "joke" was sent is probably what saved their job. But I think that it was in extremely poor taste. Anyone of a different race that is stopped by these officers can now falsely claim to have had their civil rights violated by "racist" cops....and who are the powers that be going to believe? How fast will the department settle? That's the problem with this alleged joke. Anyone who stayed awake through any portion of Human Diversity class knows this.

goobacks
04-14-2008, 11:21 AM
From a non-LEO perspective, a couple of points. For one, he is a Trooper, not a comedian. A comedian can get away with making jokes regarding race, religion, sex. That is their job. That is not the job of a Trooper. In the corporate world, if during working hours, I were to don a KKK outfit, I would be fired. If I make jokes about women, sex, or religion, I will be escorted to human resources where I would be either a) put on probation, or b) fired.

When I was in the military it was always impressed upon us how important it was to act professionally when in uniform. Your actions when in uniform WILL reflect on the entire LEO profession. From a 12 year professional, a man in his thirties, I would expect a lot more. Just my .02.

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 11:24 AM
What are they in 6th grade? Lol, if they were watching Winnie-the-Pooh, would they break out the bear costume? That scenario and this outcome is like a real life "Super Troopers" skit or something...

Well, seeing as you brought up Super Troopers, someone should do a poll about it. There probably isn't a cop alive that hasn't seen a co-worker, or participated in a laugh about that movie.

What I see here, is a rush to judgment and the stereo typing of the white police officers. Which in itself is racism.

I do agree 100% that dressing as a Klan member is in poor taste, especially in uniform.

edited: what I see here in this thread.. not DaLaw post

Ex Army MP
04-14-2008, 11:35 AM
I don't see a problem if it was as a joke...

I am not at all offended by this since I know
they were not serious.

As long as they didn't do it in public then
I really don't give a Sh*t.

The fact that you don't see this as a problem is a problem.

Hey folks, what is the point of talking about what a black comedian can get away with? News flash: They are comedians and offend for a living. Cops and all public employees, on the other hand, need to avoid these things. Why? It's called public confidence. Therefore, things that give the appearance of impropriety, whether perception or reality have an impact on this.

Finally, because non LEO's read this site, the fact that LEO's and future LEO's who post here don't see a problem with this really destroys public confidence.

Tucker6900
04-14-2008, 11:36 AM
People in general these days are way to high strung, wound tight, etc, you get it. I think if it wasnt for the people who keep making it an issue, racism would go away. I understand what happened in the past, but its over now. There is no more slavery in the US, there is no more segregation, we can all sit wherever we want, drink from wherever we want, live wherever we want. I think some people just continue chasing a dead issue because they would be out of a job if they didnt. Too much attention in the wrong place.

Tucker6900
04-14-2008, 11:42 AM
Why is everyone so hostile.

Because when racism comes into conversation, everyone believes they know what the problems are and what the answers should be. The fact is that noone knows how to deal with it. There will always be the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons in the world who will keep bringing it up and beating a dead horse. So, what white people did to black people was wrong! Ok, I believe that the government more than compensated for the mistakes that were made. Not enough? Ok, lets give them more and more and more and more. Damn, it just gets old after a while! Find something else to bitch about!

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 12:04 PM
Had he done this with just him and his buddies on their own free time, I could care less. But doing it IN UNIFORM at the station is just a no no. Some of you fail to realize that some things you can NOT do while in uniform. This is one of them.

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 12:28 PM
Finally, because non LEO's read this site, the fact that LEO's and future LEO's who post here don't see a problem with this really destroys public confidence.

If the public's trust in LEOs is that fragile that police officers must become robots and devoid off all things that make them human - like occasionally screwing up or having a sense of humour. Then public doesn't deserve to have police officers, because I haven't met a perfect cop, or human being.

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 12:31 PM
Some of you fail to realize that some things you can NOT do while in uniform. This is one of them.

I agree absolutely, but do you throw away baby with the bath water?

If in fact this was a one-off momentary lapse in judgment, what would be an appropriate form of discipline, if any?

firefiend
04-14-2008, 12:37 PM
If the public's trust in LEOs is that fragile that police officers must become robots and devoid off all things that make them human - like occasionally screwing up or having a sense of humour. Then public doesn't deserve to have police officers, because I haven't met a perfect cop, or human being.


Or... and I'm just randomly shooting here... LEO's can take responsibility for their image and public trust and not do stupid **** while in uniform. This wasn't a mistake. He didn't accidentally mistake a plastic BB gun for a real firearm, he didn't misjudge the amount of force neccessary to take a suspect into custody, causing injury. He didn't miss the oncoming traffic that t-boned him while running code through an intersection, causing injury. And he wasn't telling jokes off-duty in his home.

He was in freakin' uniform dressing like a KKK member. that's not a mistake, it didn't accidentally fall onto him, beknownst to him and his colleagues. It was intentional.

But like I said... Just randomly shooting. I don't believe in personal responsibility and all that nonsense.

Ex Army MP
04-14-2008, 12:59 PM
People in general these days are way to high strung, wound tight, etc, you get it. I think if it wasnt for the people who keep making it an issue, racism would go away. I understand what happened in the past, but its over now. There is no more slavery in the US, there is no more segregation, we can all sit wherever we want, drink from wherever we want, live wherever we want. I think some people just continue chasing a dead issue because they would be out of a job if they didnt. Too much attention in the wrong place.

I disagree with the premise that the problem has disappeared entirely, although we have done much as a society to rid ourselves of racist attitudes. But assuming that real racism doesn't exist,as you claim, if you are a member of the black community, which is 13% of the population, wouldn't you have suspicions of racism every time you were pulled over, whether real or perceived, if things like this were allowed to go on unpunished? What if a judge did this? Would you as a litigant( and I am not only talking about criminals here) have confidence that a judge applied the law correctly and didn't have hidden motives? If you were a woman and openly sexist attitudes were allowed to exist in the workplace, would you truly feel like you had a shot at getting to the top without sleeping with anyone?

This stuff has no business in the workplace and it has nothing to do with being wound too tight. The fact that this is so hard to fathom is sad.

Ex Army MP
04-14-2008, 01:04 PM
If the public's trust in LEOs is that fragile that police officers must become robots and devoid off all things that make them human - like occasionally screwing up or having a sense of humour. Then public doesn't deserve to have police officers, because I haven't met a perfect cop, or human being.

I didn't say robots. But I think that because you are dealing with a diverse population, people have to feel like they are getting a fair shake. It's bad enough that many already don't, but why give them any ammo? Because when something does go down involving race and the cops in question are involved, even if the officers used sound judgment, something like this will come back to bite them. This is easy fodder for the press and tarnishes the image of LE.

You do agree that image is important, right?

awife
04-14-2008, 01:43 PM
Like any other issue it boils down to guy makes judgement call on what is acceptable at work. Its a wrong call and now someone(thankfully not me) has to decide if making that bad judgement call is punishable and what punishment.

Was the whole thing stupid? Yes
Should he have known better? Probably
Is he a racist? I sure as heck don't know from the little info we have.
Was the laugh worth it? I am sure he does not think so in hindsight.

Tucker6900
04-14-2008, 01:46 PM
I disagree with the premise that the problem has disappeared entirely, although we have done much as a society to rid ourselves of racist attitudes. But assuming that real racism doesn't exist,as you claim, if you are a member of the black community, which is 13% of the population, wouldn't you have suspicions of racism every time you were pulled over, whether real or perceived, if things like this were allowed to go on unpunished? What if a judge did this? Would you as a litigant( and I am not only talking about criminals here) have confidence that a judge applied the law correctly and didn't have hidden motives? If you were a woman and openly sexist attitudes were allowed to exist in the workplace, would you truly feel like you had a shot at getting to the top without sleeping with anyone?

This stuff has no business in the workplace and it has nothing to do with being wound too tight. The fact that this is so hard to fathom is sad.

Sorry for the miss que there. I never meant to say that it didnt exist all together.

DaLAW
04-14-2008, 02:02 PM
Quote:

"Ok, I believe that the government more than compensated for the mistakes that were made."


What did they do to compensate for 300+ years of slavery and discrimination? They rectified the problem, they didn't 'compensate'. There is no tangible way they could possibly EVER 'compensate' for what happened. Technically speaking...



Quote:

"here will always be the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons in the world who will keep bringing it up and beating a dead horse."


Eh. As long as there's dumb***** people like these Troopers, or Don Imus' or "The Greaseman", people who provide material for Sharpton and Jesse, among others, to work with, they'll always bring race up. And, well, good. Like I said, the country was founded on racism, its in the country's history and always will be. So, its not going away. I guess the backlash America gets for mistreating Black Americans for half a century is that they have to hear about it for another half. And its only been 40 years of 'bitching', better get your earplugs!



Quote:

"I think some people just continue chasing a dead issue because they would be out of a job if they didnt."


Who would be out of a job? You mentioned Jesse and Al, they're both Preachers with large followings, they could easily go back and do that if they wanted to. Who capitalizes on racism the most? If anybody, the media. And they'll be in work regardless. So, don't know what your bitching about...

FF Expl. Lt.
04-14-2008, 02:27 PM
Had he done this with just him and his buddies on their own free time, I could care less. But doing it IN UNIFORM at the station is just a no no. Some of you fail to realize that some things you can NOT do while in uniform. This is one of them.

Yep. Doing it while on duty was the mistake.

WadsonF
04-14-2008, 02:34 PM
The fact that you don't see this as a problem is a problem.

Hey folks, what is the point of talking about what a black comedian can get away with? News flash: They are comedians and offend for a living. Cops and all public employees, on the other hand, need to avoid these things. Why? It's called public confidence. Therefore, things that give the appearance of impropriety, whether perception or reality have an impact on this.

Finally, because non LEO's read this site, the fact that LEO's and future LEO's who post here don't see a problem with this really destroys public confidence.

I agreed fully.

DH21187
04-14-2008, 02:51 PM
The only inappropriate thing about this was that he did this while at work. People are entitled to their opinions as to what is funny and what is not. However, doing stuff like this in the work place is not a constitutionally protected form of free speech. He SHOULD not be fired for this, but re-schooled on the fact that professional conduct while in uniform is expected at ALL times. Too bad they can't just PT him for a month and just let it go. All Shartpon and his disgusting minions are going to use this as fodder against them if they get the chance.

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 03:10 PM
The only inappropriate thing about this was that he did this while at work. People are entitled to their opinions as to what is funny and what is not. However, doing stuff like this in the work place is not a constitutionally protected form of free speech. He SHOULD not be fired for this, but re-schooled on the fact that professional conduct while in uniform is expected at ALL times. Too bad they can't just PT him for a month and just let it go. All Shartpon and his disgusting minions are going to use this as fodder against them if they get the chance.


Well one thing is for sure. He just opened up a whole new can of worms the next time he is dealing with a minority. The race card can now be played and who's fault is it? "If you give them ammunition, they will use it..."

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 03:17 PM
Or... and I'm just randomly shooting here... LEO's can take responsibility for their image and public trust and not do stupid **** while in uniform.

Absolutely, but again, if kinda this incident someone intercepts a joke photo not meant for public consumption destroys the publics trust, what a sad state the world must be in.

I wonder how many times those officers put their lives on the line driving code to calls without know the "race" of those involved. I wonder if any of them ever sustained an injury or emotional trauma while being on the job. Sad, that years of possible good work and personal sacrifice could be destroyed by a photo that wasn't intended to cause hurt.


This wasn't a mistake. He didn't accidentally mistake a plastic BB gun for a real firearm, he didn't misjudge the amount of force neccessary to take a suspect into custody, causing injury. He didn't miss the oncoming traffic that t-boned him while running code through an intersection, causing injury. And he wasn't telling jokes off-duty in his home.

If definitely was poor judgment, but again, it was meant to be a private joke. The real mistake was more than likely emailing or showing it off outside the original group of friends


He was in freakin' uniform dressing like a KKK member. that's not a mistake, it didn't accidentally fall onto him, beknownst to him and his colleagues. It was intentional.

KKK members wear paper hats? Let's keep it in perspective. He was wearing a white t-shirt, a paper cone, and holding up a sheet of paper with two holes cute out of them. Was it in poor taste, from an outsider looking in - yes.


But like I said... Just randomly shooting. I don't believe in personal responsibility and all that nonsense.

It must be hard never screwing up or doing something you later realized was a mistake or an error......

DH21187
04-14-2008, 03:22 PM
I disagree with the premise that the problem has disappeared entirely, although we have done much as a society to rid ourselves of racist attitudes. But assuming that real racism doesn't exist,as you claim, if you are a member of the black community, which is 13% of the population, wouldn't you have suspicions of racism every time you were pulled over, whether real or perceived, if things like this were allowed to go on unpunished? What if a judge did this? Would you as a litigant( and I am not only talking about criminals here) have confidence that a judge applied the law correctly and didn't have hidden motives? If you were a woman and openly sexist attitudes were allowed to exist in the workplace, would you truly feel like you had a shot at getting to the top without sleeping with anyone?

This stuff has no business in the workplace and it has nothing to do with being wound too tight. The fact that this is so hard to fathom is sad.

Yes, but one of the biggest issues that goes ignored by certain segments of our population is Black's racist attitudes towards whilte police officers. This seems to go ignored in the media. It seems any time you bring it up you are shouted down as a racist and that Black's are only venting their validated frustration against police officers who are part of of a white society that is constantly against them. It's ridiculous.

DH21187
04-14-2008, 03:29 PM
Well one thing is for sure. He just opened up a whole new can of worms the next time he is dealing with a minority. The race card can now be played and who's fault is it? "If you give them ammunition, they will use it..."

This lapse in judgement is going to haunt this guy's career forever.


"If you give them ammunition, they will use it..."

Yeah, but if the roles were reversed, no one would want to hear the Black offender was racist against the police officer. It's a double-standard that goes ignored.

If he was a black police officer parroting Sharpton or Farrakhan's similiar antics, nothing would have been done about it and the media would not have reported it.

Himso
04-14-2008, 03:38 PM
I don't understand this at all. What is with all the deflecting? " Well, If a black guy did it..." Are we not supposed to be better than that? I am not saying that this Trooper is a bad guy, I don't know him. But to me, the mere fact that some folks think this is harmless shows how far behind we are in race relations.

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 03:40 PM
Yeah, but if the roles were reversed, no one would want to hear the Black offender was racist against the police officer. It's a double-standard that goes ignored. .

Forget Black offender, how about Black spiritual advise to presidential candidate..

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 03:55 PM
I don't understand this at all. What is with all the deflecting? " Well, If a black guy did it..." Are we not supposed to be better than that? I am not saying that this Trooper is a bad guy, I don't know him. But to me, the mere fact that some folks think this is harmless shows how far behind we are in race relations.

Well, if race relations were in a better place, people wouldn't be so quick to judge and condemn.

If you could, could you please what harm was caused?

Ex Army MP
04-14-2008, 04:03 PM
Yes, but one of the biggest issues that goes ignored by certain segments of our population is Black's racist attitudes towards whilte police officers. This seems to go ignored in the media. It seems any time you bring it up you are shouted down as a racist and that Black's are only venting their validated frustration against police officers who are part of of a white society that is constantly against them. It's ridiculous.

Well, you are the one that is held to a high standard, thus you'll always be under scrutiny. Cops are human to but there's a reason why, in theory at least, 1 person out of anywhere from 10 to 100( depending upon where you are) gets hired.

Think about how easy it will be for a defense attorney to rip this cop apart next time he has to testify in a case involving a black defendant.

mp1161
04-14-2008, 04:05 PM
Eeh, if you want to joke like that, do it on your own time. This guy forgot (or doesn't understand) that he is getting paid to do his job, not play dress-up in something that is offensive to some people. If he thinks he can get paid by his agency and do jokes like this at the same time, then he needs a reality check.

No matter how funny and how much of a joke this was suppose to be, this trooper needs to remind himself his line of work and the different types of people he deals with every time he works before he does something like that again on-duty.

^ My opinion.

Himso
04-14-2008, 04:15 PM
What harm? The public's perception of Law Enforcement for one. We as humans tend to judge an entire population by the actions of a few. Is it dumb? Yes, but we all know it happens.

Capers that this individual worked will be called into question. A stupid prank without intent to harm? Probably, but it does have ramifications.

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 04:19 PM
This lapse in judgement is going to haunt this guy's career forever.


"If you give them ammunition, they will use it..."

Yeah, but if the roles were reversed, no one would want to hear the Black offender was racist against the police officer. It's a double-standard that goes ignored.

If he was a black police officer parroting Sharpton or Farrakhan's similiar antics, nothing would have been done about it and the media would not have reported it.

Nice try, bad example. You need to put it along the lines of a black officer dressing as and representing the "Black Panther Party." (http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/) You know, that group responsible for the killings of police officers? Its not a double standard because it wouldnt be acceptable for a black officer to do it either.

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 04:21 PM
Eeh, if you want to joke like that, do it on your own time. This guy forgot (or doesn't understand) that he is getting paid to do his job, not play dress-up in something that is offensive to some people. If he thinks he can get paid by his agency and do jokes like this at the same time, then he needs a reality check.

No matter how funny and how much of a joke this was suppose to be, this trooper needs to remind himself his line of work and the different types of people he deals with every time he works before he does something like that again on-duty.

^ My opinion.

Very nice post at that. ;)

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 04:23 PM
Eeh, if you want to joke like that, do it on your own time. This guy forgot (or doesn't understand) that he is getting paid to do his job, not play dress-up in something that is offensive to some people. If he thinks he can get paid by his agency and do jokes like this at the same time, then he needs a reality check.

So what do you think about firefighters that get paid to sleep if there are no calls? They are paid by tax dollars no differently that police officers. And you've never goofed off at work for a few moments, not once, not ever?

If cops didn't have some fun once a while at work to defuse, people would really hate us.

I keep spare evidence bags so I can use them to collect broken car window glass on the side of the road. That way you can snag your co-workers keys on a slow night. You roll down their passenger side window and sprinkle the glass next to the car and a little on the seat, and at the end of the shift watch them freak out. It never grows old.

Awww crap, that's not being much of a robot or sleeping firefighter is it.. bad cop - no donut.


No matter how funny and how much of a joke this was suppose to be, this trooper needs to remind himself his line of work and the different types of people he deals with every time he works before he does something like that again on-duty.

^ My opinion.

On duty, as well as, off duty..

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 04:35 PM
So what do you think about firefighters that get paid to sleep if there are no calls? They are paid by tax dollars no differently that police officers. If you call sleeping between each call sleep then yea, IF you even get that break. And they tend to be at the firehouse for 24 hours, provided they dont work out of a busy firehouse....


And you've never goofed off at work for a few moments, not once, not ever? All the time. But if I do it, its NOT in the public eye.


If cops didn't have some fun once a while at work to defuse, people would really hate us. You appear to be trying to justify this officers actions. Is it because you find it acceptable?


I keep spare evidence bags so I can use them to collect broken car window glass on the side of the road. That way you can snag your co-workers keys on a slow night. You roll down their passenger side window and sprinkle the glass next to the car and a little on the seat, and at the end of the shift watch them freak out. It never grows old. I like to turn on all the emergency equipment, the heater (summertime) or a/c (winter time) and the wipers. Wheeeee, look who's coding when they turn on the car.


Awww crap, that's not being much of a robot or sleeping firefighter is it.. bad cop - no donut. Never understood the cops/donut thing. I prefer twizzlers...


On duty, as well as, off duty..I dont think you would partake in these "entertaining" activities if there were citizens standing around the victim officers cruiser? Its a time and place for everything.... http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0051.gif

mp1161
04-14-2008, 04:43 PM
So what do you think about firefighters that get paid to sleep if there are no calls? They are paid by tax dollars no differently that police officers. And you've never goofed off at work for a few moments, not once, not ever?

If cops didn't have some fun once a while at work to defuse, people would really hate us.

I keep spare evidence bags so I can use them to collect broken car window glass on the side of the road. That way you can snag your co-workers keys on a slow night. You roll down their passenger side window and sprinkle the glass next to the car and a little on the seat, and at the end of the shift watch them freak out. It never grows old.

Awww crap, that's not being much of a robot or sleeping firefighter is it.. bad cop - no donut.



On duty, as well as, off duty..

I don't understand how you can compare a firefighter sleeping to a Trooper posting a picture dressed up as a klan member.

Of course I have goofed off at work, who hasn't? But there are things you can do and things you shouldn't do when you are having your "fun" at work. Pranks like what you have mentioned I don't see as a problem, but when you do stuff like this guy did, your name/image/respect is tarnished, your department is embarrassed, and your "joke" will not exactly promote public confidence in you performing your duties without being biased.

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 04:45 PM
CityCopDC,

I don't support these guys, I think they were wrong. I think it was in poor taste. I also think that the picture was probably not meant to be shared outside side the group of friends.

If was that cop, (which I would never be, but I have made mistakes in life) I would work to repair what damage I caused to my personal, professional, and department's reputation.

What annoys me, hence my devils advocate role, are the extreme holier than thou attitudes.

When you screw up, you say I'm sorry and how can I fix this. He should be given a chance to fix it without all the drama. Statements like - If he ever shoots black kid, he's going to be crucified, although possible true, are in themselves racist.

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 04:50 PM
This guy forgot (or doesn't understand) that he is getting paid to do his job.

Aren't firefighter paid to do a job?

(Here they work the same sifts as most patrol cops - 4 on/4off - two days, two nights 12 hour shifts)

The comparison wasn't about what the officers did compared the firefighter, but rather your above comment. As a society most people are okay with bucket heads sleeping between calls, but if a cop is goofing off of sitting in a coffee shop at 2am it's a problem.

mp1161
04-14-2008, 04:58 PM
Aren't firefighter paid to do a job?

(Here they work the same sifts as most patrol cops - 4 on/4off - two days, two nights 12 hour shifts)

The comparison wasn't about what the officers did compared the firefighter, but rather your above comment. As a society most people are okay with bucket heads sleeping between calls, but if a cop is goofing off of sitting in a coffee shop at 2am it's a problem.

My comment came with other points for a reason. What I said went hand-in-hand. I do not know much about firefighter down-time to comment if sleeping is suppose to take place. I am pretty sure it is accepted though. Jokes of this nature are not accepted..... not only I, but his agency seems to think so as well.

I am curious why you are commenting on my posts if you share the same opinion I do on the joke not being appropriate.

DH21187
04-14-2008, 05:13 PM
Nice try, bad example. You need to put it along the lines of a black officer dressing as and representing the "Black Panther Party." (http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/) You know, that group responsible for the killings of police officers? Its not a double standard because it wouldnt be acceptable for a black officer to do it either.

Yes, but would you see the black officer crucified for the same behavior? No you would not. In fact, ten bucks says people would defend him for it.

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 05:13 PM
CityCopDC,

I don't support these guys, I think they were wrong. I think it was in poor taste. I also think that the picture was probably not meant to be shared outside side the group of friends.

If was that cop, (which I would never be, but I have made mistakes in life) I would work to repair what damage I caused to my personal, professional, and department's reputation.

What annoys me, hence my devils advocate role, are the extreme holier than thou attitudes.

When you screw up, you say I'm sorry and how can I fix this. He should be given a chance to fix it without all the drama. Statements like - If he ever shoots black kid, he's going to be crucified, although possible true, are in themselves racist.

I dont think the Trooper should be fired (depends on his personnel jacket). But the problem Im having is.

1. You want the public to trust the dept. How can they do that with officers posing IN U N I F O R M as racists entities?

2. Do you know the flood gates to THAT DEPT have just been opened to jokers who actually do play the race card. This trooper (if he keeps his job) is pretty much screwed his entire career on that dept when it comes to dealing with minorities. Traffic stops god forbid a use of force against a minority. Bottomline, he did not help his agency's image as it deals with minorities and this goes beyond just him. ANY trooper of the caucasian origin is now a scapegoat even if they are rightfully doing their job. As I said before, I dont care if this dude was David Duke himself INSIDE HIS HOME and out the public eye. But when in uniform, you represent that agency no matter how big or small the issue is.

One more thing. I find it ironic how in another thread, some posters were quick to pull the "race card defense" in that Kwame (http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86547) thread. Funny they havent stepped foot in this thread. Oh my bad, the race card doesnt need to be played, the trooper just gave them ammunition to use it. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sign/sign0007.gif

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 05:20 PM
CityCopDC,

Two things... one, is what they did fixable within the community? If not, why not?

And two, it was some rolled up paper. Not to make light of the image of hate that accompanies anything to do with the Klan, but it's not like he cut up some sheets and made himself a grand dragon outfit.

So, is it fixable?

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 05:24 PM
Yes, but would you see the black officer crucified for the same behavior? No you would not. In fact, ten bucks says people would defend him for it.

Representing an organization that KILLED police officers? Are you....serious? :eek:

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 05:25 PM
CityCopDC,

Two things... one, is what they did fixable within the community? If not, why not?

And two, it was some rolled up paper. Not to make light of the image of hate that accompanies anything to do with the Klan, but it's not like he cut up some sheets and made himself a grand dragon outfit.

So, is it fixable?

Did you read my response? I said I dont think he should be fired. I also said it DEPENDS on his personnel jacket.

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 05:35 PM
Did you read my response? I said I dont think he should be fired. I also said it DEPENDS on his personnel jacket.

Not being fired.. and having a good personal jacket doesn't fix it. Fixing it means explaining their actions and apologizing publicly. fixing it means rebuilding the trust in those who have lost trust, and that means getting yourself out there and working with people - mend the fences and some build relationships.

However, if that photo is going to diminish the public's trust, then I'd argue that the public never had any trust to begin with.

Himso
04-14-2008, 05:41 PM
Yes, but would you see the black officer crucified for the same behavior? No you would not. In fact, ten bucks says people would defend him for it.


Now who is pulling out the race card? Come on, the guy messed up and needs to take his weight. I have been a big defender of the avergae white male when comes to A/A and people pulling out the race card just for the sake of it but here we have an idividual held to higher standard, IN UNIFORM making light of an organization that represents hate and inequity. The best any one can come up with is the old "Well if a black guy did it..." We are better than that.

MPDCjock
04-14-2008, 05:44 PM
I think they both should've been fired.

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 05:47 PM
I think they both should've been fired.

You edited out the racism part.. I was going to say that I guess all Dave Chappelle fans should turn in their badges...

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 06:06 PM
You edited out the racism part.. I was going to say that I guess all Dave Chappelle fans should turn in their badges...

This is where your arguement fails.
1. Have you seen the skit in reference?

2. The skit he is referring to had a black guy who was dressed up as a klansman and BELIEVED he was a klansman.

3. The black guy was blind. He simply went by what he was told because.....he was blind and could not see his own skin color.

4. For that trooper to remotely have a defense, he would need to be blind. That is IF he is trying to use that skit as a defense. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0065.gif

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 06:20 PM
This is where your arguement fails.
1. Have you seen the skit in reference?

2. The skit he is referring to had a black guy who was dressed up as a klansman and BELIEVED he was a klansman.

3. The black guy was blind. He simply went by what he was told because.....he was blind and could not see his own skin color.

4. For that trooper to remotely have a defense, he would need to be blind. That is IF he is trying to use that skit as a defense. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0065.gif

His original post included a comment about any officer that finds racism humorous should be fired, or something to that effect.

Was Dave Chappelle's involved racist imagery, yet I for one thought it was funny. Should I be fired?

BrickCop
04-14-2008, 06:58 PM
Geez...the first time a trooper shows a personality and this is what we get, a guy wearing paper mache? :D

He should've stuck to the permanently stoic expression and Smokey the Bear hat...

DaLAW
04-14-2008, 07:25 PM
Quote:

"I was going to say that I guess all Dave Chappelle fans should turn in their badges..."


What a stupid thing to say. As I, and others have stated, the 'joke' doesn't even correspond to the Chappelle-skit. Second, Chappelle is a comedian, these officers aren't. Quite frankly, there is no comparison. Chappelle gets paid to talk about racism, masturbation, drugs, etc. If a police officer talked about that on duty, he'd be in hot water. If a teacher did, so would they. If any profession, other than a comedian talked about those things, they'd have no defense if a co-worker or someone in the public reported the behavior to a superior. Thats just how it is, and pretty much as it should be. You tell me, if a Black Trooper was present, and was offended and he reported the behavior, I guess he would just be wrong since these officers were just joking, right?

DaLAW
04-14-2008, 07:27 PM
Quote:

"Distinguished Service Award- Those who have peformed exemplary, while under extreme fire , faced with insurmountable odds. SkepticAlways; DaLaw; SemiMBA."


:D When I apply to your agency, I'm most certainly putting this honor down on my resume. AND, you spelled my name right...I don't know why so many here refer to me as "DeLaw"...

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 07:31 PM
Quote:

"Distinguished Service Award- Those who have peformed exemplary, while under extreme fire , faced with insurmountable odds. SkepticAlways; DaLaw; SemiMBA."


:D When I apply to your agency, I'm most certainly putting this honor down on my resume. AND, you spelled my name right...I don't know why so many here refer to me as "DeLaw"...

Heaven fricken help us.................

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 07:37 PM
What a stupid thing to say.

Coming from you, that's a compliment.


As I, and others have stated, the 'joke' doesn't even correspond to the Chappelle-skit. Second, Chappelle is a comedian, these officers aren't. Quite frankly, there is no comparison. Chappelle gets paid to talk about racism, masturbation, drugs, etc.

Apparently you didn't read that original post I was commenting on was edited, and the statement - "any officer who find racism funny should be fired." That's a blanket statement, which is why I answered with sarcasm. Chappelle is a very talented comedian who can make something race based funny and worthy of conversation.

Mind you, I'm talking to the guy that doesn't believe white people can be victims of racism...

tzbv2p
04-14-2008, 07:40 PM
So what do you think about firefighters that get paid to sleep if there are no calls? They are paid by tax dollars no differently that police officers. And you've never goofed off at work for a few moments, not once, not ever?

If cops didn't have some fun once a while at work to defuse, people would really hate us.

First off......who cares about firefighter sleeping? Im pretty sure they (firefighters) don't have general orders prohibiting it. What do you expect them to do......cruise around in the ambulance and firetruck and look for fires and passed out drunks? Do you really think the public cares the firefighters are sleeping at night?

Secondly.....since when to ON DUTY POLICE OFFICERS dress up as KKK Klansmen to goof off and defuse. May i suggest some aerobic exercise to blow steam?

Thirdly.....the whole, "If a black officer did it" argument is lame and immature. I'm black, and you wouldn't find me donning a KKK, Black Panther or NAZI uniform. This is a fun profession, but a very serious one also.

Fourthly.......Again I will say, you don't use Dave Chappelle as the gold standard for modeling you behavior as a police officer.

Fifthly..........This officer just lost credibility in court if the defendant is black......remember that top notch detective named Mark Fuhrman.......

Last but not least......its not about blood. I also am not saying this officer should be fired. There are various factors at work here. However, if he did get fired, he would have no one to blame but himself.

The End

DaLAW
04-14-2008, 08:00 PM
Quote:

"Apparently you didn't read that original post I was commenting on was edited, and the statement - "any officer who find racism funny should be fired." That's a blanket statement, which is why I answered with sarcasm. Chappelle is a very talented comedian who can make something race based funny and worthy of conversation."


Its a blanket statement but even if he said it, there's still a large, large, large, large, large, large, large difference between finding 'racism' funny and then finding Dave Chappelle, or any other comedian, funny...


Quoting you:

"His original post included a comment about any officer that finds racism humorous should be fired, or something to that effect.
Was Dave Chappelle's involved racist imagery, yet I for one thought it was funny. Should I be fired?"


So again, there's a big difference between finding humor in Dave Chappelle, Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Andrew Dice Clay, Richard Pryor, etc, and then finding humor in 'racism'. If a police officer or anyone else finds humor in racism, they probably shouldn't be working with the public...

DaLAW
04-14-2008, 08:06 PM
Quote:

"Forget Black offender, how about Black spiritual advise to presidential candidate.."


So what hook has Obama been off with Wright? He got lamblasted in the media to the point where he actually had to do something NO politician, let alone one in a CAMPAIGN wants to do: Give a speech on race! Wright was thrown out of the camp as well. If you really want it to be 'fair', these Troopers should be fired and the Director of the Agency should give a speech talking about how they don't agree with what has been said, even though the Troopers are good people who they can't 'disown' personally...

BulldogNY
04-14-2008, 08:08 PM
Geez...the first time a trooper shows a personality and this is what we get, a guy wearing paper mache? :D

He should've stuck to the permanently stoic expression and Smokey the Bear hat...

If we were meant to have a personality it would have been issued with the uniforms. ;)

Regardless of the status of the picture as a joke, this has to be one of the greatest mental short comings in uniform I have heard of. Normally, it is 15 year old kids taking nude photos with cell phones that are surprised that the pictures get out beyond their circle of friends. In this case, the people involved should have known better.

DaLAW
04-14-2008, 08:09 PM
Quote:

"However, if that photo is going to diminish the public's trust, then I'd argue that the public never had any trust to begin with."


And many don't. Many in the Black community don't because the police were far more political in years past when it came to the Black community. The relationship between the Black community and the police didn't "get destroyed". It started off bad and never was allowed to get better. Its definietly moving in a positive direction but things like this will not help at all and will actually make things REGRESS...

Beast
04-14-2008, 08:09 PM
I think it was a dumb joke to say the least. As said before LE gets enough trouble their way for "profiling". We dont need any extra weight. Plus I really dont think it was a joke, if they went thru the trouble to do dress the entire part. It should have never been done, the klan hates all who are not like them. We should look to educate people on klans men not be like them in the least...

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 08:59 PM
So again, there's a big difference between finding humor in Dave Chappelle, Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Andrew Dice Clay, Richard Pryor, etc, and then finding humor in 'racism'. If a police officer or anyone else finds humor in racism, they probably shouldn't be working with the public...

Well, according to the news story, these officers were joking around and took the picture in direct relation to Dave Chappelle's skit. Yet, you state they should be fired for it.

So you saying that white people who find humour in Dave Chappelle's race based humour should be fired?

DaLAW
04-14-2008, 09:08 PM
Quote:

"Well, according to the news story, these officers were joking around and took the picture in direct relation to Dave Chappelle's skit. Yet, you state they should be fired for it."


And OJ also said he didn't do. Guilty people sometimes tell tales. The "Chappelle" skit theory has been debunked. It doesn't make sense and therefore, doesn't hold too much weight. If they wanted to say, "we were having some laughs", OK, so be it. But why drag Chappelle into it when he is obviously irrelevant? That raised suspicions to me. Almost as if they were playing the "Well a Black guy did it, so its OK!" card. Which would have worked, IF, as stated, they weren't totally off about the skit...



Quote:

"So you saying that white people who find humour in Dave Chappelle's race based humour should be fired?"


No, I'm saying people who find racism funny shouldn't be trusted with too many responsibilities that include dealing with other people. Like I said in the post you quoted, racism isn't funny. Racism is lynching Black people. Racism is Black South Africans killing White South Africans and stealing their farm land. Racism isn't funny...A comedian talking about race and race-relations surely can be funny. All the comedians I listed, they all talked about race. Lenny Bruce, Dice-Clay, they're even white and they've talked about race. They're also comedians and its they're job to push the envelope and make light of life. Its funny. Michael Richards aka Kramer, thats an example of a comedian being 'racist'. Thats not funny. Racism is never funny...

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 09:13 PM
Quote:

"Distinguished Service Award- Those who have peformed exemplary, while under extreme fire , faced with insurmountable odds. SkepticAlways; DaLaw; SemiMBA."


:D When I apply to your agency, I'm most certainly putting this honor down on my resume. AND, you spelled my name right...I don't know why so many here refer to me as "DeLaw"...You are referred to as "DeLaw"? I......I dont believe you... http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0065.gif

cst.sb
04-14-2008, 09:33 PM
The "Chappelle" skit theory has been debunked.

Well that changes things. Can you provide a link to your source. I would like to read about the status change in the story.



Quote:

"So you saying that white people who find humour in Dave Chappelle's race based humour should be fired?"



No, I'm saying people who find racism funny shouldn't be trusted with too many responsibilities that include dealing with other people. Like I said in the post you quoted, racism isn't funny. Racism is lynching Black people. Racism is Black South Africans killing White South Africans and stealing their farm land. Racism isn't funny...A comedian talking about race and race-relations surely can be funny. All the comedians I listed, they all talked about race. Lenny Bruce, Dice-Clay, they're even white and they've talked about race. They're also comedians and its they're job to push the envelope and make light of life. Its funny. Michael Richards aka Kramer, thats an example of a comedian being 'racist'. Thats not funny. Racism is never funny...

You stated that officers should be fired...


If you really want it to be 'fair', these Troopers should be fired and the Director of the Agency should give a speech talking about how they don't agree with what has been said,

And I agree racism wholeheartedly that racism is never funny. Again, the information at the start of this thread was that the officer took the photo with regards to the skit..

Woffski
04-14-2008, 09:37 PM
It is wrong for ANY police officer, white or black, to do anything like that. You are supposed to be a professional. I don't believe for one minute that it was all in joking. It was a joke because they got caught. The trooper did it in his official uniform and in an official building. These guys are very bold which says alot of the action they took. Anyone that thinks this is OK and are police officers should really look at themselves. This, my friends, is some very serious stuff. If anyone, in today's day and age, thinks this is OK, you are the problem.

DaLAW
04-14-2008, 09:39 PM
Quote:

"Well that changes things. Can you provide a link to your source. I would like to read about the status change in the story."


A link to my source? Lol, my source is the F*@&$^# sketch. Lol, I've actually seen it. I...I can't link it. You'd have to youtube it or buy the DVD. Its already been explained, so you can get the gist of it though...



Quote:

"You stated that officers should be fired..."


I thought I just explained that...but OK, I think if someone finds racism funny, they shouldn't be working with the public. Be that fired, or never hired in the first place, so be it. If I'm a parent, I don't want my child to be in the classroom with a teacher who thinks child-pornography is entertaining...

CityCopDC
04-14-2008, 09:46 PM
Well that changes things. Can you provide a link to your source. I would like to read about the status change in the story.

I will try ONE MORE TIME.

1. In the skit, dave chappelle, was a black klansman. Dave Chappelle DID NOT KNOW he was black because in the skit, his character was BLIND. He was born BLIND, but because he was raised by white people, he was told that he was white. Thats why I asked have you seen the skit.

2. Those officers can not use the defense "I was enacting a skit" because THOSE OFFICERS ARE NOT BLIND. Anybody who has watched the skit KNOWS those officers cant use that as a defense if any. Which is why they simply said "Dave Chappelle" did it. Those officers know very well what they were doing. Thats how the defense is debunked..... http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0065.gif

DAL
04-14-2008, 09:50 PM
Doing anything racial is a bad idea. Recording it is very dumb. What is a joke to one person is taken seriously by another.

JYoung
04-15-2008, 01:41 AM
Doesn't this whole argument remind anyone else of of that episode of The Office? Michael Scott (Steve Carrell) sees a Chris Rock skit about the difference between black people and that word, and then proceeds to repeat it in the office in front of his coworkers.

Did he have racist motivations? No. He saw a humorous (not to me b/c I personally have a huge problem with black people making fun of black people as it inevitably always leads to these types of incidents/arguments) skit and brought it up amongst "friends" in his workplace. Keyword: workplace

Anyhoo

What does this say about the judgment of the troopers involved? As I recall, judgment and sound decision-making is like a major part of the foundation of police work. I'm sorry, but any cop who isnt capable of saying "hmm maybe this isnt a good idea" should NOT have a badge.

:rolleyes:I can't wait until I am sworn and make my first sexually harassing comment towards a female officer. "It's cool OPS, I was just re-enacting that Margaret Cho skit."

insomniac
04-15-2008, 03:05 AM
(I didn't read the post above mine before I posted, so don't nobody go saying that I'm a copy cat! :p It is good to see someone else sees this as more of a judgement than racial issue, though)

I wouldn't judge his capacity to be a fair and unbiased officer based on the picture. The guy probably isn't a racist, just immature. I would say that this incident says a whole lot about his capacity to make sound judgements and use common sense, which goes along with the immaturity.

I'm not arguing whether it's right or wrong, but police are held to a higher standard and there is little tolerance for an officer making a racist/sexist joke on the clock and in the uniform, regardless of how benign it might have been. There are certain things you just can't say or do, and all it takes is a bit of sense and self control to keep yourself out of a situation like this guy is now in.

Now, if this was something that happened while the guy was off duty and among friends, I would say it's definitely not a big deal (not media worthy) and to mind your own business. It's just that he was on the job when this happened that makes it a bigger deal. It sucks for him because he probably just thought it was a harmless joke, but in the end he has only himself to blame.

Brav989
04-15-2008, 03:28 AM
For those who have never seen it.

WARNING: Vulgar language used

http://thetravisty.com/Chappelles_Show/wmv/Black_White_Supremacist.htm

willbird
04-15-2008, 08:57 PM
Honestly if we look at this, they didn't get in trouble for dressing as Llyod Bentson, they got in trouble for providing very good evidence that they did this on company time, then they were also stupid enough to email it to a coworker on the po-po email system ??

So they got in trouble for being really really STUPID :-)

Two good friends can keep a secret, we all do it all the time, just don't take PICTURES :-).



Bill