Good departments in southern California

[jamesxx]

I have recently applied with Glendale PD, and i am also planning on taking Burbank PD's "walk in written exam" in June. I would love to get hired by either one of these departments, but i realize that it may be difficult to get into these departments, due to them only taking the best of the best. Basically, my main priority is to become a police officer, and i would like to know in your opinion some of the other departments in southern California that i should look at. Obviously with the high cost of living, pay is important, but enjoyable working conditions are equally important.
-Sorry for the long post, but i tried to cover everything!-

Thanks in advance

[IE Copper]

Try using the search function. There is enough info to read all day.

[exComptonCop]

I would love to get hired by either one of these departments, but i realize that it may be difficult to get into these departments, due to them only taking the best of the best.

Amen! Both departments are known for being extremely selective. This is not meant to discourage, but even though you may meet their minimum requirements, unless you have qualities to set you apart from the other applicants(college degree, bilingual - Spanish and/or Armenian) chances are these will be "character builders."

In the SoCal area, LAPD, LASD, San Diego SD, PD, and Riverside SD, PD are all good places to start.

[Ed78]

Ok lets keep this thread going with GPD applicants. Anyone else here waiting for the upcoming oral?

[ask80]

smaller depts tend to be pickier. i'd recommend go big and do couple years. if you want then try lateralling. pretty much any agency that is willing to pick you up is the best, minus maywood or brea. hehe

[pulicords]

You should check out Long Beach, Torrance, Santa Monica, Inglewood PD too.

[SouthLACop]

If you go LAPD, do a few years, any department will pick you up. Don't worry about the 5 year contract. 2 years with LAPD is compared to 5 years, sometimes 10 years to any other department. They will want you for your experience. Good luck with what whatever you choose.

[RSOkid]

Try Riverside Sheriff or Police. Not to difficult to get in. I'm 21, no degree, military experience, or anything else that might help me. I was accepted and start May 20th. The one thing that I believe got my in was being determined and letting my investigator know that. I told him that if he didn't pass me that he would see me back again.

[avalon42]

Not to difficult to get in. I'm 21, no degree, military experience, or anything else that might help me. I was accepted and start May 20th. The one thing that I believe got my in was being determined and letting my investigator know that. I told him that if he didn't pass me that he would see me back again.

Wow. I gotta try that. :D

[jamesxx]

Ok lets keep this thread going with GPD applicants. Anyone else here waiting for the upcoming oral?

I have only mailed my app to Glendale. I am waiting for them to notify me to let me know when the next written test is. Have you already taken the written for gpd?

[Ed78]

Yes I have. I took the written in January and the physical 2 weeks ago. I have my oral on the 6th (wish me luck)

[jamesxx]

Good luck! what did the written test consist of? essay? multiple choice? any math?

[Ed78]

its the CA POST test. You can look at it on their websight. No essay or math. All multiple choice.

[jamesxx]

Alright thanks for the heads up! Lets keep this thread up so we can keep updated on the progress of glendale applicants!

[Ed78]

I passed the oral with Glendale CA Police :) I am now working on my personal history packet. Anyone else processing with GPD?

[jamesxx]

Congratulations. I am going in for the written test at the end of june. I hear that the oral interview for them is pretty difficult so good job on passing.

[Protect-N-Serve]

I've taken the GPD Oral and was actually offered a background with them. The oral interview is challenging, but you just got to be confident, research the city/department and know how to think on your feet.

[DOAcop38]

I have recently applied with Glendale PD, and I am also planning on taking Burbank PD's "walk in written exam" in June. I would love to get hired by either one of these departments, but I realize that it may be difficult to get into these departments, due to them only taking the best of the best. Basically, my main priority is to become a police officer, and i would like to know in your opinion some of the other departments in southern California that I should look at. Obviously with the high cost of living, pay is important, but enjoyable working conditions are equally important.
-Sorry for the long post, but i tried to cover everything!-

Thanks in advance

First off-there is "nothing" enjoyable about police work ( unless you are a SADIST or masochist-and in this "job",,,eerrr "career"/"lifestyle" ,you sometimes have to be both) there are "Rewards- steady pay with somewhat frequent raises,sometimes good co workers,and once in a while you get to see some little kid or old persons face brighten with a smile.Secondly, you need to get PAST those pretty boy job flyers of the cute ,happy faced cops( most are either models or "admin" drones who NEVER get dirty in real life). Third- are you truly SURE you want this lifestyle? There are no instant weekends/holidays off! you don't get a "9-5" work environment,and sometimes- even in the cutesy suburbs,the "clientele" don't play nice,and are not exactly clean, sober, intelligent,or willing to put up with your "authority".girlfriends, parents,even buddies won't always understand your new "life".And once you start down this road,it will be a BIG waste of your time to find out after all the crap you'll go thru that "this ain't for me". Now that I've kicked your "puppy",lets see where we can go with this:

where to work? picture it this way- you need to know and be comfortable( reasonably) with the people you will be "serving".IF you've never dealt with the "hood"- don't try. ditto if you've never had to deal with the Hilton sisters in some upscale butt kissing community. also- you should have NO problem living less than 30 to 45 mins away from the job( and i mean a "real" 30 -45 mins, not the drive 80+ mph,sneeking in the carpool lane ALONE in bad traffic 45 mins away!). IF you are going to stay in so.Calif and particularly the L.A. Metro area ,you have the below as options:

LAPD-("yes" ,the original BIG BLUE ! despite politics and occasional notoriety,LAPD is still#1 in the region,and the training and job opportunities can't be beat.retirement isn't the best,but its not too shabby)

LASD- TIED for the #1 spot with LAPD( OCSD,RSD,and SBSD claim the title in their own counties)-expect barebones "cop 101" work ,plus an occasional bounce back to the jails-enough to make you love animals over humans 'til the end of your life

LBPD- "strong beach"- back in the game after yrs of BAd leadership- Anthony Batts as chief,and a dynamic workforce has made L.A cos "2nd city" force top notch- pay isn't as high but its good.

torrance PD - strong 250 officer force- kings of the "southbay"( good pay)

Santa monica PD- westside and trendy,but serious coppers and very decent salaries

Inglewood PD- " yuppy version of the ghetto" - coppers here work hard,pay is avg,but good learning and training for the officers

Culver city PD- basically a smaller and equally aggressive version of Glendale PD,but bigger and more active than burbank.

LAUSDPD- yup! threw in a "specialized PD"- pay is at the lower end($50K to $72K/yr) but theres OT$$, varied work assignments,good School district benefits and the 3%@50 perks equal some things out.the dept is 350+ officers and hires fast to meet their need( they have a nearly 800 sq mile jursidiction and nealry a million folks as "clientele") despite the "school police" title -the work they also do is police work 101,and from 1,000 student mini riots on campuses,to drive by shootings,they have their hands full.

try these as "options" to BPD or GPD.......

[jamesxx]

I've taken the GPD Oral and was actually offered a background with them. The oral interview is challenging, but you just got to be confident, research the city/department and know how to think on your feet.

Thats what i have heard. Definitely an interview you want to prepare for.

[McGruff]

No love for agencies in the SGV area? :D

[Sarkis]

Burbank PD has an Armenian version of their recruiting video, whenever I talk to my mom on the phone, I make sure to turn it on so she listens :D

Thanks BPD recruiting department.

[Five-0fromSoCal]

No love for agencies in the SGV area? :D

For the SGV, I would throw in West Covina PD. Good size, training, equipment and the pay is pretty decent.

Pomona would be up there also. Good size also and active. Pay isn't as good as WCPD though.

[rangesgt]

Agree that WCPD is very good, but they're having a big budget crunch right now. Council is trying to decide how to address a projected $8M deficit next year. One article in the local paper said that they're spending 77% of the city budget on police and fire, and while they don't want to freeze positions, nothing's off the table.

That's probably true of a whole lot of agencies right now, though.

[TheInlandEmpire]

If you go LAPD, do a few years, any department will pick you up. Don't worry about the 5 year contract. 2 years with LAPD is compared to 5 years, sometimes 10 years to any other department. They will want you for your experience. Good luck with what whatever you choose.

Don't get me wrong bud,,I think there are some great cops at LAPD,,and this is no reflection on you because I dont know you,,but come on,,your a little way over the top. First of all, "any" department won't just pick you up because you worked at LAPD. And I completely disagree with you that 2 years with LAPD equals 5 to 10 years at any other department.

[usmcgunnerm4]

First off-there is "nothing" enjoyable about police work

Secondly, you need to get PAST those pretty boy job flyers of the cute ,happy faced cops( most are either models or "admin" drones who NEVER get dirty in real life).

And once you start down this road,it will be a BIG waste of your time to find out after all the crap you'll go thru that "this ain't for me".

Now that I've kicked your "puppy",lets see where we can go with this:
......

Holy crap!! LMAO! Spoken like a true veteran....Nice:D

[cantue5]

DOA...
LOL!!!! I actually looked up the words to make sure I didn't fit in both those catagories but sadly I do!! Maybe it was my time in the military that has me demented but I actually smile when I go to work...for the first few months I was on the job my wife kept asking me what was wrong because I actually WANTED to go to work. It took a while to convince my wife that I really liked my job and didn't have a 35 on the side. Your discription is so accurate that I almost fell off my chair laughing!! Still a rookie but so far I have not come accross anyone that is is both clean or sober! Keep up the good posts!

[DOAcop38]

DOA...
LOL!!!! I actually looked up the words to make sure I didn't fit in both those catagories but sadly I do!! Maybe it was my time in the military that has me demented but I actually smile when I go to work...for the first few months I was on the job my wife kept asking me what was wrong because I actually WANTED to go to work. It took a while to convince my wife that I really liked my job and didn't have a 35 on the side. Your discription is so accurate that I almost fell off my chair laughing!! Still a rookie but so far I have not come accross anyone that is is both clean or sober! Keep up the good posts!

Cantue- just happy to see that you are one of the ones that have "made it" so far! Good job-keep chugging ahead......:D

[DOAcop38]

Don't get me wrong bud,,I think there are some great cops at LAPD,,and this is no reflection on you because I dont know you,,but come on,,your a little way over the top. First of all, "any" department won't just pick you up because you worked at LAPD. And I completely disagree with you that 2 years with LAPD equals 5 to 10 years at any other department.

"shame on you" for saying that-LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! you have to realize that as big as LAPD(over 20 patrol divisions,450+Sq miles to patrol and anywhere between 4-10 million people to police) they tend to get "isolated" in terms of engaging with other LE on a regular basis. That "we're the poo" mentality isn't always some form of arrogance-they HAVE to be on top of their game in almost 80% of the city ,or face the worst result.LAPD often only deals with "specialized" or state agencies on a daily basis (low activity depts like LAXPD,Port PD,UCLA PD) to medium activity agencies like School PD, CHP + a few tawny suburbs like Santa monica ,Bev hills,Burbank,Glendale PDs. to them (LAPD) those agencies are not in the "hotseat", and they feel that their (LAPDs') policing skills are higher; in some instances "yes",some "no"( I am often surprised at some of my LAPD counterparts that DON'T know how to do certain invs,or have updated legal and crime trend info).

I think its often a natural mistake to believe that if you don't work in an envrionment where the homicide rate 1,000+ a yr,where you don't see urban "terrorists" standing on every street corner,then you don't compare(Depts like Santa Ana,Long Beach,Riverside,San Bernardino Pd could give any LAPD div. a run for its money any day). I would challenge alot of LAPD officers who live outside the city to go on an actual ridealong with their local dept,BEFORE they tried to assess their training and experience against another agency- they'd be surprised at how much easier it is to do police work at other depts, and how independent and well versed some of their other LE counterparts really are...............

[TheInlandEmpire]

"shame on you" for saying that-LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! you have to realize that as big as LAPD(over 20 patrol divisions,450+Sq miles to patrol and anywhere between 4-10 million people to police) they tend to get "isolated" in terms of engaging with other LE on a regular basis. That "we're the poo" mentality isn't always some form of arrogance-they HAVE to be on top of their game in almost 80% of the city ,or face the worst result.LAPD often only deals with "specialized" or state agencies on a daily basis (low activity depts like LAXPD,Port PD,UCLA PD) to medium activity agencies like School PD, CHP + a few tawny suburbs like Santa monica ,Bev hills,Burbank,Glendale PDs. to them (LAPD) those agencies are not in the "hotseat", and they feel that their (LAPDs') policing skills are higher; in some instances "yes",some "no"( I am often surprised at some of my LAPD counterparts that DON'T know how to do certain invs,or have updated legal and crime trend info).

I think its often a natural mistake to believe that if you don't work in an envrionment where the homicide rate 1,000+ a yr,where you don't see urban "terrorists" standing on every street corner,then you don't compare(Depts like Santa Ana,Long Beach,Riverside,San Bernardino Pd could give any LAPD div. a run for its money any day). I would challenge alot of LAPD officers who live outside the city to go on an actual ridealong with their local dept,BEFORE they tried to assess their training and experience against another agency- they'd be surprised at how much easier it is to do police work at other depts, and how independent and well versed some of their other LE counterparts really are...............

Well said DOAcop38. And over the years, I've dealt with this kind of LAPD mentality many times,,mostly laterals to this area. It always made me kind of laugh. The Vietnam "thousand yard stare" usually wares off within the first week of training after they realize there's another world of law enforcement outside of L.A...A world with the exact same crooks, crime, plight, and tragic outcomes ect,,just a slightly different language. To see the shock of "Wait a minute! Are you kidding? You mean I have to articulate this in writing?? I'm not even sure what the penal code section is for felon in possession of amunition" :confused:

But hey,,what can I say? I often wonder about Hollywood's roll in this "ethnocentric" (so to speak) view of some LAPD people. Unlawful Entry, Lethal Weapon, Internal Affairs, L.A. Confidential, Heat, ect..ect..ect.. (All my favorites by the way!) I mean,,hey,, I'd love to drive to work everyday feeling like a movie star and all:) Unfortunately,,they don't make blockbuster movies about Inland Empire police departments:(..lol!

[DOAcop38]

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But hey,,what can I say? I often wonder about Hollywood's roll in this "ethnocentric" (so to speak) view of some LAPD people. Unlawful Entry, Lethal Weapon, Internal Affairs, L.A. Confidential, Heat, ect..ect..ect.. (All my favorites by the way!) I mean,,hey,, I'd love to drive to work everyday feeling like a movie star and all:) Unfortunately,,they don't make blockbuster movies about Inland Empire police departments:(..lol!


..and unless its written by one of your own- don't expect or desire it. When the ill fated ( and down right stupid) NBC show "LAX" was on - the writers and producers came on ride alongs with LAXPD,as well as the Airport Operations personnel to get an idea of "whats what"- -the end result? they made the civilian landing schedulers and airfield condition checkers ( operations personnel) look like they actually RAN everything at LAX- ( yeah,rt - the Heather"hottie" Locklear character barking orders at SWAT and bomb squad personnel???!!!!) and as for the cops? folks that keep granny from getting fleeced by local area Ingle'hood and barrio lennox crackheads?? people who jam up the dope runners and 10851 VC "shopping mall" theft gangs??? "we" got a character that was a fatter version of "barney Fyfe"- all day he walks around"missing" signs of possible terrorists,spills coffee on his already dirty uniform,gets blown off by citizens and airline personnel who thinks he's an idiot,loses his duty weapon in the toilet( later has it returned to him by a "airport dweller" society drop out)and spends most of his time being bossed around by NO police training Civies Locklear and Blair Underwood because he's "too dumb" to figure out what real policing is...

Sad to say, unless its a movie of the week,expect to be protrayed as the buffoon,to be bossed around by the stereotypical "superior and street smart FBI agent"( don't laugh) or by the visiting hard nosed LAPD detective who sneers and later tells you "local yokels" how police work "is really done" ( ala "One False move" with Bill Paxton )

[TheInlandEmpire]

LOL!!...U should write a book or a screen play yourself

[SouthLACop]

Don't get me wrong bud,,I think there are some great cops at LAPD,,and this is no reflection on you because I dont know you,,but come on,,your a little way over the top. First of all, "any" department won't just pick you up because you worked at LAPD. And I completely disagree with you that 2 years with LAPD equals 5 to 10 years at any other department.

[hbliam]

Don't get me wrong bud,,I think there are some great cops at LAPD,,and this is no reflection on you because I dont know you,,but come on,,your a little way over the top. First of all, "any" department won't just pick you up because you worked at LAPD. And I completely disagree with you that 2 years with LAPD equals 5 to 10 years at any other department.


If you have a clean jacket any PD in the Country will take you because you worked at LAPD.


And yes, working at a large, well trained department, that has major crime occur every day on every shift, will give you the experiance in two years that it takes 5 plus years to get at a smaller, slower department. It's not a slam, it's just reality. Other agencies don't have shootings (picked your major crime and fill in the blanks) every day of the week. Some don't have one a year, but according to you, I can get as much training and experiance working five shootings in five years as I can working one every other week for 2 years (52 shootings)?

And being good at the CVC isn't "as trained" in my book.

[pulicords]

This isn't a slam on LAPD, but just because it's a large agency doesn't mean the members have the same levels of training or experience. Although some divisions have a large amount of crime (violent and non-violent), other divisions are as quiet or more so than many neighboring departments. LAPD is so large and so under policed (manpower wise) that their officers have far less investigative responsibilities, are provided much less advanced officer training and (because their running call to call) provide much less service at scenes of incidents/crimes because they don't have the time to devote.

My agency has hired many laterals from LAPD and virtually all of them have said that they never anticipated they'd have so much to learn, have so much responsibility given to them or had so much expected of them with their prior employer. Yea, they worked more murder scenes at a South-Central division than my agency, but most officers did relatively little beyond establishing a perimeter and letting specialized units conduct the "important work." The initial crime reports were often only a few sentences long and that's for a huge variety of crimes that investigators never responded to conduct follow-ups on.

Arrests frequently resulted in lack of filings due to poor search and seizure training (no time for it due to patrol demands) and even divisional detectives often have little experience in obtaining search warrants or conducting other "significant" follow-up, due to insufficient numbers of personnel to handle in-custody filings.

Obviously LAPD's SWAT and other specialized details are first rate, but many of the officers on my department work patrol but are fully qualified SWAT trained as a collateral assignment. How many patrol officers working a regular division have that kind of training in LAPD? Routinely, our officers have collateral duties and training far beyond the average LAPD officer.

I believe these things to be true because for four years, I worked as a member of a multi-agency task force with LAPD officers as partners and for LAPD supervisors. The people were great, as hard working, professional and dedicated as any officers I've known anywhere, but their level of training, overall experience and ability to go beyond the basics was generally much poorer than my department's officers (with the same level of time in service). Again, this isn't a slam on the department or it's people, but the fact is they can only do (and learn) so much when the demands for time and resources are so high. My department and many throughout the state provides better and more service because we've been given more resources by our citizens, who expect more from us.

[DOAcop38]

didn't want to go there,Pulicords- BUT having worked in slower specialized policing,and having WORKED and trained with both LAPD and LASD- I'd have to give the "nod" to LASD.you guys tend to expect the avg Deputy to DO MORE ! A Deputy,like a lot of non LAPD area PD officers,by the way often does his/her work as a solo patrol unit,whereas LAPD works the 3 man "A" car rotation. Remember riding with Buddies at CPT ( station 28?),and Deputies on a 187 crime scene literally have the investigiation boxed up prior to LASD Detective Bureau and the station DB coming on scene.Deputies also free lance alot more in terms of getting their own warrants executed, contacting and following thru cases,and they rarely get hassled for making out of patrol area arrests.One of the thing that most deputies I know are impressed with ,in terms of LAPD is the ability to call on manpower,the two man unit issue,and the accessibility to air support( folks don't realize that deputies DON'T like giving up perimeter direction and containment to air support like LAPD unit does) .


Although training in both Depts ( been to alot of AOT courses by both) is superb IMO, the ability to rapidly use what you learn also has the nod with LASD-LASD stations have the call to call run issues like LAPD,but deputies make far more obs hooks( they see they grab it immediately);Having worked with Lennox and Marina LASD Stations ,then comparing them to Pacific Div and West L.A LAPD Div in my neck of the woods -the freedom to do "police work 101" goes to LASD hand down. Plus -working in a specialized PD- you don't have the feeling of having to "prove" yourself everytime you run in an LASD with a caper like you do with LAPD; had a new Pacific area desk Sgt look at my patch , and say "airport PD ,hmmm- IF you need help writing the rpt or booking the suspect ,I can get an officer to help.In the division I worked beforewe always helped school PD officers" - I've been hooking an booking pizzzant nickle bag coke possession arrests at that divisional jail for nearly 2 decades !!!!! Had I brought the SAME arrest into Lennox station or the Marina, the Watch Deputy or Watch Sgt would have asked - good job, but wheres the GUN and the OTHER arrestees?"Altough its gotten better with LAPD- LASD has ALWAYS treated other PDs fairly and with equal respect( cause they've trained personnel form most of the LA Co. agencies) and you'll rarely see LASD deputies out on patrol who don't or Won't stop to check on you on even an mere T/Stop or won't hesistate to jump in on a call with you as just your back up or secondary.

NO one has the market exactly "Cornered" on police work. LAPD machinewerks serve the city of L.A. well- considering its politics and fickle populace.I too think that nearly 20 yrs of wrestling to get LAPD fully under civie control has taken its toll on a "superpower" in terms of westcoast policing-you can compare the Stanley Miller arrest incident with LAPD to The Compton -LASD multi officer shooting; both had poor tactical issues( happens that way in the field) yet ALL the deputies are STILL on the job with LASD,compared to the officer who used a few well placed ,and NON injury causing blows to FELON and car thief Millers shoulder to gain compliance.IF LAPD had of been in a shooting like Comptons -Officers would have FRIED.( terminations, federal invs,etc) I advise anyone getting into L.E. to really search out the type of Dept they want to be in-NOT everyone is cut out for the "run and gun" type of policing , and "super ghetto copper " personalities rarely survive in places like Hermosa Bch PD or Burbank PD.but as far as everyday ,fight a felon work? Watched 4 BHPD units scrapping with 3 cholo types near Wilshire and La cienega several wkends ago while on a date ( my girl thought it was "sad" that stuff like that was happening in Bev.Hills).today I was leaving the mall at the So.Bay Galleria and Redondo Bch Pd had several thuglifes on their knees at gun point- neither agency ,from my perspective is a hard as a southWest div LAPD or an East L.A Station -LASD,but to the officers that work there- they have to have there stuff together none the less.That 2 yrs of experience in LAPD equalling 5 yrs elsewhere ?? depends on what div that LAPD officer works,and the level of work he or she gets into...............

[towncop]

If you have a clean jacket any PD in the Country will take you because you worked at LAPD.




:rolleyes: Yeah........ok.

[TheInlandEmpire]

If you have a clean jacket any PD in the Country will take you because you worked at LAPD.


And yes, working at a large, well trained department, that has major crime occur every day on every shift, will give you the experiance in two years that it takes 5 plus years to get at a smaller, slower department. It's not a slam, it's just reality. Other agencies don't have shootings (picked your major crime and fill in the blanks) every day of the week. Some don't have one a year, but according to you, I can get as much training and experiance working five shootings in five years as I can working one every other week for 2 years (52 shootings)?

And being good at the CVC isn't "as trained" in my book.

Five shootings in five years? lol...please tell me what departments you're speaking of. And,,how many of those "52" shootings did the patrolman investigate and make an actual arrest?? "Every crime on every shift"?? Just like mentioned above, what LAPD divisions are you referring to?? And I'm sorry, but showing up to 52 shootings in 2 years,,and for the most part putting up crime scene tape and waiting for Detectives to conduct the meat of the investigation, isn't really getting solid experience. Don't get me wrong,,it can be a good time:D But filling out a basic "check the box" report reference your activity at the scene and turning it in? No wonder it's so much fun to work patrol there! Do LAPD patrol officers investigate the entire crime, and do their own crime scene sketch? In our city, absent a homicide, there could be multiple gunshot victims in a gang related incident, and Detectives don't respond (JFI..happens all the time here). Patrol handles all aspects of the investigation,,the scene, crime scene log, witness statements, follow-up (as much as can be done) ect. We (Detectives) get the case sometimes days later.

Or if your the poor sap that gets a deuce/T.C.,,you may get stuck with both the collision and the 23152 portion of the investigation! (that really sucks but good beat partners usually hook u up and at least to the TC for you). Or maybe getting a call of a person who is a danger to self, others, or gravely disabled. From what I understand about LAPD, some sort of "5150 Team" responds to "properly" evaluate them because I guess at LAPD, the average patrol officer isn't qualified to determine if someone meets the criteria:confused :confused: (Of course they're qualified,,and by law,,they're able to make that determination,,My god,,,,a monkey can!!)

At our department, If you get a Rape investigation,,the patrolman does the WHOLE THING! Interviewing the victim,,the suspect (if there is one). Your responsible for having the rape kit completed by physicians for both the victim and the suspect, and the booking of all the evidence (including the suspect), completeing the Statement of Probable Cause ect. (By the way, we don't need a patrol supervisor to read our Statements of Probable Cause BEFORE we book someone. If the judge doesn't like what we wrote, they reject it, which rarely happens). And,,we don't make an arrest and have to bring the case to a Detective or supervisor to tell us what penal code is appropriate. That's straight out weird! In fact, most of the time our supervisors don't even show up to look over your shoulder during these investigations.

This isn't a slam either,,it's just reality. Please don't tell me how much more "far advanced" LAPD officers are compared to all other departments. Especially if your comparing LAPD to other California police departments. I've been very surprised at the lack of BASIC knowledge. As far as field tactics, sure,,LAPD officers are well trained. And, of course, LAPD's tactics are different than ours,,i.e..we ride (for the most part) one man rides,,not two. (that changes things) and we do the "Riverside Stop" here for felony car stops ect... But...let me share something with you. We've had LAPD laterals that couldn't cut it here. Didn't make training. When I was a Background Investigator in the mid 90's, I literally had to tell some LAPD applicants they had to take some English classes in College, and re-apply if they wanted (after reading their five page autobiography) That's no joke!! I've had LAPD laterals who didn't know the basic elements of certain crimes,,or, for example in one case, that it was against the law for a gang member to possess a firearm (not being a convicted felon). Some came here and have been complete lops.

But anyway,, I'm not sure what the comment about knowing Vehicle Code violations had anything to do with what I said about policework,,but I have a close friend who lateraled from LAPD to Torrance PD, and almost didn't make training there because he was deficient in alot of these things I mentioned. Example..He was so used to stopping people (gangsters) without PC,,he got blasted by his FTO for doing it. Now,,I'm all for stopping gangsters for no reason,,don't get me wrong,,BUT if your in the FTO program at another department,,it might "help" if you knew a little about the vehicle code.

I remember the LA Times did an assessment years ago about how many homicides LAPD cleared vs. LASO. LASO came out WAY on top. The quality of thier investigations was noted as far more superior than LAPD. So please...get off the high horse.

[hbliam]

You didn't actually read my post did you? You went on an LAPD tirade instead. My assertion is: you will get more experiance dealing with crime in two years at a large agency then you will in five at a slow agency. It's purely a numbers game, not a slam on any department. I went from a department that had about 2500 calls a day, to one that has just over a hundred.

And mocking specialized details (like the 5150 one) is assinine. We had that detail at my last agency. Yeah, lets have patrol play taxi every shift to prove that they can figure out the elements to the 5150 code. If you don't "need" it, that's just proof you guys don't have the quantity of calls to support it. That just backs up the argument that you get more experiance at a larger agency dealing with that type of call. And do you think they are always available?

Small agencies with less then five shootings a year? In CA, that would be hundreds of agencies. I'll throw Los Al, Signal Hill, Seal Beach, and Fountain Valley out for starters.

And whatever agency you work at they are not the only agency having patrol do their 261, 23152, 187, 288 investigations. Some large agencies do it as well (including my last), and many, many more times per year thus again backing up the assertion that you get more experiance at larger agency then a smaller one.

RE: LASO. Uhh that's a large agency. Great agency. If it wasn't for the "work the jail" for 5 plus years I would have applied there.

CVC: It's great for stopping people. My point was, at the small agencies around here they do alot of traffic. I learn less doing traffic compared to answering 15-20 calls for service a night.

[shadowhaus]

I learn less doing traffic compared to answering 15-20 calls for service a night.

Sorry just had to chuckle on that one.....but that would be a welcome night around here. Average is 30-35 calls per officer.

[TheInlandEmpire]

You didn't actually read my post did you? You went on an LAPD tirade instead. My assertion is: you will get more experiance dealing with crime in two years at a large agency then you will in five at a slow agency. It's purely a numbers game, not a slam on any department. I went from a department that had about 2500 calls a day, to one that has just over a hundred.

And mocking specialized details (like the 5150 one) is assinine. We had that detail at my last agency. Yeah, lets have patrol play taxi every shift to prove that they can figure out the elements to the 5150 code. If you don't "need" it, that's just proof you guys don't have the quantity of calls to support it. That just backs up the argument that you get more experiance at a larger agency dealing with that type of call. And do you think they are always available?

Small agencies with less then five shootings a year? In CA, that would be hundreds of agencies. I'll throw Los Al, Signal Hill, Seal Beach, and Fountain Valley out for starters.

And whatever agency you work at they are not the only agency having patrol do their 261, 23152, 187, 288 investigations. Some large agencies do it as well (including my last), and many, many more times per year thus again backing up the assertion that you get more experiance at larger agency then a smaller one.

RE: LASO. Uhh that's a large agency. Great agency. If it wasn't for the "work the jail" for 5 plus years I would have applied there.

CVC: It's great for stopping people. My point was, at the small agencies around here they do alot of traffic. I learn less doing traffic compared to answering 15-20 calls for service a night.

It sounds more to me like your point is you get more experience working for a busy department as opposed to a slower department. It doesn't matter how big the department is, it matters what area of that particular city/county you work. It's easy to say "We handle 2500 calls a day at my department", when your actually speaking about an area of 400 square miles and X amound of patrol divisions (if you were speaking about LAPD), BUT you only work 4 sq. miles of that 400. I'm talking about LAPD and responding to the forum members who think 2 years at LAPD is like 5 to 10 years at "any other department".

My point is that smaller (or I guess I should say mid sized California departments) tend to produce a more well rounded patrol officer, in comparison to a larger department like LAPD, for the reasons I mentioned above. Your point about working for a larger department makes you a more experienced patrol officer is rediculous,,because again,,what area of the department is one working?? Like DOACop38 said,,other smaller cities (Pomona, Ontario, Santa Ana, Riverside, San Bernardino, ect..will give many LAPD divisions a run for your money.

And as for the 5150 example,,,handleing those types of calls are statistically one of the most dangerous calls an officer can respond to. "Us guys" here respond to those all the time (subject with a knife/gun ect..) and once we handle the situation..we handle it all the way through. Many times the "Taxi" you refer to is an ambulance,, because we either shot um or they did hurt themselves. My point is..."Us guys" handle that call,,book the idiot,,and then we ALSO move on to the 25th call of the night. (and how does that prove we don't have the "Quantity" of calls a night :confused:) Now, if you handle an average of 15 to 25 calls a night (which is easily done at my place of employment),,then how does it matter how big the department is?? It's the same amount of radio calls for each place.

And better yet,,how is it that (in your opinion) rushing from one hot call to the next hot call,,jumping out and standing next to crime scene tape make one a more experienced officer?? Because you stood there and watched a scene for 1 hour, then jumped in your patrol car,,,rushed to another shooting and stood and watched another scene??

[hbliam]

Sorry just had to chuckle on that one.....but that would be a welcome night around here. Average is 30-35 calls per officer.

Yeah, I just pulled a number. :) I think the most calls I did in one night was just over 40.

[hbliam]

It sounds more to me like your point is snip...

Arguing on the internet is for retards. What you are going to think is what you are going to think. I think your "knowledge" is a bit scewed. Keep on living the dream in the IE. Be safe.

[TheInlandEmpire]

I WIN!! jk...this is a forum dude,,,debating is part of the reason we're on here.

[CHUCKnmnV]

IE
Lops....LOL...Haven't heard that word in years.

[TheInlandEmpire]

IE
Lops....LOL...Haven't heard that word in years.

COPS: "LOPS"
Day shift "SLUGS"
SWAT Team "PRE-MADONNA's" (Hope there's not a mirror at at the location!)

SUBJECTS: Bro's,,,Bro Hoe's-(bunch of punk asses!)
Riverside Skins-(White Supremacy punk asses!)
Vagos-(Green Machine and the rest...)
Julio's or 'Piasas'-(as far as I'm concerned..the REAL SURENOS!)
Black Gangsters-(Crips/Bloods/ Independant "Black Rags"
..(in L.A. County..only Pasadena knows what that means!)
Cosby Kids-(Non Black Gangsters..basically good kids)
Peanut Heads-(Hispanic Gang Bangers)
Bag of Peanuts-(Car full of same)
Soccer Mom's-(Women wrongly targeted by Motors and traffic)
Professional Victims (So far,,Evans Street in Casa Blanca)

Many others I can't spit out right now..:)

[SouthLACop]

The funny thing is that I started this whole mess ha ha ha ha ha. I work in South LA (hence my name) and I grew up in the Inland Empire and have also lived in Riverside, and currently live in Murrieta, and have lot's of friends on all the neighboring departments. I know the streets there very well, and they do not compare to the streets in South LA. They may compare to our West LA Division. But I am mainly talking about South LA, the real police work. For someone that has not worked LAPD sure thinks he knows LAPD. You have no clue BUD. As for your laterals from LAPD not being able to make it, well guess what? they obviously didn't make here either. The number 1 reason why we lose officers to other agency's is because they couldn't handle it here and wanted something slower, very lazy people and shouldn't even be police officers in the first place in my opinion. Now onto the "5150" deal, what we have is called a SMART team. Officers may choose to request one, but getting one is a little harder than you think. We handle our "5150's" to the end, whether it's booking them or taking them in OUR patrol car to the hospital. We also place our own holds(72 hr WIC). So your info is wrong. LAFD does not transport 5150's, well that is if we didn't beat the hell out them or taze/bbag them. The reason why we have a SMART team is because of the time it takes for a "5150". That is pulling a patrol car off their beat for hours, when they could be back out on the streets doing police work.

Nobody can touch us on shootings, perimeters, searches, foot pursuits, stolen vehicles (with pursuits), gangs, guns, narco, air support, all the REAL police work. Isn't that what law enforcement is??? or is it doing a follow-up BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE TIME because some girl punched her boyfriend in the face. We choose LAPD because we want REAL police work, and that is not writing a book of citations for no front plates. As far as going to one shooting and just standing there (again he must know LAPD because he worked here RIGHT) while detectives do everything, you are mistaken BUD. Patrol officers conduct the follow-up to the susp's location, hook and book and write the rpt (except Homocides) if info leads to a susp that day of the shooting, which often occurs and have many under my belt.

For some of you that may think you know LAPD, don't talk about it unless youv'e worked it. Here is another one that should get you to debate on.....I'll bet that our phase 3 probationers can give a 5 year veteran at SBDSO, RSO, Upland PD, Ontario PD, Pomona PD, oh and definately Murrieta PD (not a PD in my book and I live there ha ha ha) a run for their money anyday.

[TheInlandEmpire]

The funny thing is that I started this whole mess ha ha ha ha ha. I work in South LA (hence my name) and I grew up in the Inland Empire and have also lived in Riverside, and currently live in Murrieta, and have lot's of friends on all the neighboring departments. I know the streets there very well, and they do not compare to the streets in South LA. They may compare to our West LA Division. But I am mainly talking about South LA, the real police work. For someone that has not worked LAPD sure thinks he knows LAPD. You have no clue BUD. As for your laterals from LAPD not being able to make it, well guess what? they obviously didn't make here either. The number 1 reason why we lose officers to other agency's is because they couldn't handle it here and wanted something slower, very lazy people and shouldn't even be police officers in the first place in my opinion. Now onto the "5150" deal, what we have is called a SMART team. Officers may choose to request one, but getting one is a little harder than you think. We handle our "5150's" to the end, whether it's booking them or taking them in OUR patrol car to the hospital. We also place our own holds(72 hr WIC). So your info is wrong. LAFD does not transport 5150's, well that is if we didn't beat the hell out them or taze/bbag them. The reason why we have a SMART team is because of the time it takes for a "5150". That is pulling a patrol car off their beat for hours, when they could be back out on the streets doing police work.

Nobody can touch us on shootings, perimeters, searches, foot pursuits, stolen vehicles (with pursuits), gangs, guns, narco, air support, all the REAL police work. Isn't that what law enforcement is??? or is it doing a follow-up BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE TIME because some girl punched her boyfriend in the face. We choose LAPD because we want REAL police work, and that is not writing a book of citations for no front plates. As far as going to one shooting and just standing there (again he must know LAPD because he worked here RIGHT) while detectives do everything, you are mistaken BUD. Patrol officers conduct the follow-up to the susp's location, hook and book and write the rpt (except Homocides) if info leads to a susp that day of the shooting, which often occurs and have many under my belt.

For some of you that may think you know LAPD, don't talk about it unless youv'e worked it. Here is another one that should get you to debate on.....I'll bet that our phase 3 probationers can give a 5 year veteran at SBDSO, RSO, Upland PD, Ontario PD, Pomona PD, oh and definately Murrieta PD (not a PD in my book and I live there ha ha ha) a run for their money anyday.

ha ha hah ha...no offense BUD..but I'm not talking about every officer at LAPD....BUD,,and I'm not talking about all the laterals I've dealt with Bud....ha ha ha...you would have a fight on your hands...BUD...if your speaking on every LAPD cop that's ever lateraled to my department BUD..police work doesn't start and end at LAPD BUD..ha ha ha...

[TheInlandEmpire]

If you read my posts SouthLACop..you would note that I have alot of friends from LAPD and know them to be outstanding cops. I'm not speaking on all LAPD coppers,,and I'm not trying to offend you. I'm sure you know your sh-t,,but how many laterals to LAPD from the outside do you deal with? I deal with alot of LAPD types on my end. And so you know, I've been on many a dope surveillance in South Central, Lennox, Inglewood, Compton, ect..and been involved in wire tap investigations dealing with the same bull**** ,, I'm very familiar with your world. Your world is bigger than you think. Now,,I know (by the shear size of South L.A.) it doesn't compare to smaller cities like you mentioned,,,but,,again..true to form,,the typical LAPD mentality is ooozing in your post ,,declaring a "3rd phase probationer" has more experience than whoever...blah blah blah...kills me:D I grew up in Pasadena,,L.A. County..not the I.E. like you. So big deal!

[Berlioz]

Wow...another LAPD vs the world thread...never seen that one before.

Just a question, though. If I can handle calls (code 2/3) in my Division (Newt) by myself...why couldn't I do the same in an OC or Riverside agency? Seriously, what changes? Im not intending to sound cocky but I dont buy that an LAPD officer is subpar to everyone else.

[TheInlandEmpire]

Wow...another LAPD vs the world thread...never seen that one before.

Just a question, though. If I can handle calls (code 2/3) in my Division (Newt) by myself...why couldn't I do the same in an OC or Riverside agency? Seriously, what changes? Im not intending to sound cocky but I dont buy that an LAPD officer is subpar to everyone else.

I guess the only thing that changes is you do the job without the chip on the shoulder..lol...(just kidding)..I just disagree with the comment about how 2 years there equals 5 to 10 years at any other place. Depends on what other place your comparing it to. I'm sure you'll do fine anywhere else.

[nobodyjr]

Interesting thread. I'm not going to get into LAPD vs the world, I don't have the knowledge base to comment. What's interesting to me is everyone's (different) definition of "real police work."

Obviously that's a LE cultural difference between agency and region.

From what it looks like here are some of the above definitions of "real police work"

More action = real police work.

more arrests = real police work.

more calls for service = real police work.

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Here (at least in my view) the emphasis on what "real police work" - for the patrol side at least- is proactive work that puts people in prison. Or an investigation that leads to prison. There's a lot of commendations that go to patrol officers here who do very very through investigations and get a suspect in custody instead of just "writing a report." Here there is a lot more emphasis on the thinking game in LE as opposed to the running and gunning (though we do a lot of both).

Not to minimize a lot of work that people (including I) do.. but anyone can put people in jail for kibbles and bits, hit the enroute button 30 times a day to handle BS 415 calls, or stand post on a permiter.

[TheInlandEmpire]

good point

[DOAcop38]

The funny thing is that I started this whole mess ha ha ha ha ha. I work in South LA (hence my name) and I grew up in the Inland Empire and have also lived in Riverside, and currently live in Murrieta, and have lot's of friends on all the neighboring departments. I know the streets there very well, and they do not compare to the streets in South LA. They may compare to our West LA Division. But I am mainly talking about South LA, the real police work. For someone that has not worked LAPD sure thinks he knows LAPD. You have no clue BUD. As for your laterals from LAPD not being able to make it, well guess what? they obviously didn't make here either. The number 1 reason why we lose officers to other agency's is because they couldn't handle it here and wanted something slower, very lazy people and shouldn't even be police officers in the first place in my opinion. Now onto the "5150" deal, what we have is called a SMART team. Officers may choose to request one, but getting one is a little harder than you think. We handle our "5150's" to the end, whether it's booking them or taking them in OUR patrol car to the hospital. We also place our own holds(72 hr WIC). So your info is wrong. LAFD does not transport 5150's, well that is if we didn't beat the hell out them or taze/bbag them. The reason why we have a SMART team is because of the time it takes for a "5150". That is pulling a patrol car off their beat for hours, when they could be back out on the streets doing police work.

LAPD does have a good system in that not only the SMART team handles the bulk of 5150 WIC calls ( but not all- have had to stand in line behind plenty of WEST Bureau coppers trying to get my own "ding" into Psych at Harbor gen'l -UCLA); they also do a good job of trying to track them citywide with MEU following up on and putting out teletypes. but Having grown up in south L.A.(eerrr "south Central L.A., homey- or "sur Central,vato") you should KNOW that Depts like south Gate PD , Gardena PD, Inglewood('I-hood) PD,on So.L.As boundaries are par for par on the level with Harbor,SouthEast,77th div coppers. and in terms of investigation and follow up skills? alot of the smaller Depts have more flexibility and time to knock them off .

having worked with my court Liaison officer ,who was in the same office and daily interfaced with our LAPD counterparts-we got to go over alot of related crime rpts and arrests,and often WINCED at how bad alot of LAPD intitial reports and invs were-many had poor PC,vague details,and even some were down right contradictory to the follow up inv completed by Dets.I've been in classes where LAPD personnel have touted that they are "Better" than outside agencies,even seen them make fun of what they considered Bad rpts and invs completed by other area depts -but rarely say anything about their # of D.A. and C.A. rejects because or sorry rpt writing and lack of detailed inv. sorry,southL.A. -there are actually those of "us" who,though we DON'T work LAPD, deal with LAPD enough on a daily basis to SEE their flaws. all and all, LAPD is still a "good" choice and should be one of the FIRST choices for anyone in so.cal looking to join a PD.



Nobody can touch us on shootings, perimeters, searches, foot pursuits, stolen vehicles (with pursuits), gangs, guns, narco, air support, all the REAL police work.

ahh, maybe- maybe not! try Southgate PD,Bell PD, Bell Gardens PD ,Huntington Park PD, inglewood,Hawthorne,Gardena PDs(plus they also often get LAPD air support and LASD when available.Visit torrance and Gardena PD-officers can turn in an arrest and be clear alot more than the avg LAPD officer( TPD can BOOK a felon/evid/rpt in about 1 hr and turn around and be out and on patrol !) As for LASD? they actually can and do match LAPD hook for hook and then some -rode with a bud one night @ century Station- LASD. as a one man unit( guess it was "two" with me on board) he got (3) "franks" -felon with handgun, foot pursuit of ADW suspects-caught the shooter, and a last minute "ghetto gazzelle" on parole with rock cocaine,and (2) lowly "mover" cites- he knocked the arrests and rpts out in 10 hrs 22mins. on an 8.5 hrs patrol watch-just trying to get 2/3 of the arrests my deputy bud did with an avg A car in a LAPD div.would have eaten up that 10.5 hrs and THEN SOME.Once again -the avg 5 yr LAPD P-2 is a "stud" in terms of patrol work, but he/she isn't the only ones on top of their game.



Isn't that what law enforcement is??? or is it doing a follow-up BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE TIME because some girl punched her boyfriend in the face. We choose LAPD because we want REAL police work, and that is not writing a book of citations for no front plates.

Its ALL "real police work" because it matters- our jobs are to serve the public and protect them.the funny thing is that in the academy and even in the West bureau,they used to comment derisively at my dept and even the School PD as "misd" cops in a FELONY WORLD. The sad part is that police work of "major consequence"( all the big time felonies that LAPD likes to brag about ) were often discovered while INVESTIGATING so called lowly "misd" invs like "some girl punched her boyfriend in the face". got a flag down once of a girlfriend /girlfriend dispute that LAPD units in my area had been there and blown OFF-further inv. and interview of the LAPD deemed "mutual combat" issue( actually a 273.5 Pc viol by definition of the law) turned out that the dominent aggressor was in fact a WANTED "federal fugitive" and-at the time of the original call ,had a stolen and LOADED .380 auto on her ( but was NEVER searched by that earlier inv. LAPD unit).I'm sure you can count the # of times you may have dealt with a CHP or former MTAPD or LAUSDPD,where officers failed to properly inv a call,so its not an isolated issues for one agency alone-my folks have screwed up plenty too- but when its the issue of WHY LAPD can't handle so called "less important" calls,its always "we've got too much to handle".That stuff NEVER goes over well in smaller depts,and officers up to even chiefs have been sent packing over it.

For some of you that may think you know LAPD, don't talk about it unless youv'e worked it. Here is another one that should get you to debate on.....I'll bet that our phase 3 probationers can give a 5 year veteran at SBDSO, RSO, Upland PD, Ontario PD, Pomona PD, oh and definately Murrieta PD (not a PD in my book and I live there ha ha ha) a run for their money anyday.

this can be said of LAPD as well- was sitting in Pacific div,filing a burg rpt and booking evid, and a P-2 walked up and commented to me,"why book that-I'd have left it in the victs car".I told him I got a print off the item( a homemade slim jim piece that bent/broke off).as we talked ,some Culver city PD officers had arrived and were in the process of transferring a warrant prisoner.As soon as they left- out came the "stories" about "what" culver city PD is all "about"( some of it actually was accurate).now for those who DON'T work routinely with LAPD or don't get your Dept policies/have access to your manuals/procedures,your stations,or don't train with you- I can understand you concern about "hearsay"-but L.E. in so.Calif is not isolated.alot of coppers know LAPD personnel,see or hear issues with LAPD,and- just like the PAC DIV officers talking about CCPD,they ARE in a position to " talk" about LAPD.

Now saying that a Phase 3 probie is EQUAL to a (5) yrs Vet anywhere????!!!! very arrogant and presumptuous-they don't even have equal skills from division to division( you know darn well a West LA div, or Devonshire Div P-1 can't hang with a southwest Div. or hollenbeck Div P- 1) !! NO probie is equal to a "vet" officer on patrol- it takes at least (5) yrs anywhere in CA. to have a basic idea of WTF is "going on" ! a LAPD P-1 at "phase 3" may be ahead of say,a Probie at West Covina PD,or Redondo Bch PD(but not by much),but i'd doubt very seriously IF they could match a 2 yr Officer at Bev.hills PD, L.A. Port PD, or Downey PD,let alone a 5 yr "Vet"! experience is important,no matter what dept you work for,and -all and all, LAPD is still a very good choice for entry level personnel to work and grow in. as a rule,when someone comes to me and asks about joining L.E.,the very first Dept I often suggest( even BEFORE my own) is LAPD............

[mtxpro752]

ahh, maybe- maybe not! try Southgate PD,Bell PD, Bell Gardens PD ,Huntington Park PD, inglewood,Hawthorne,Gardena PDs(plus they also often get LAPD air support and LASD when available.Visit torrance and Gardena PD-officers can turn in an arrest and be clear alot more than the avg LAPD officer( TPD can BOOK a felon/evid/rpt in about 1 hr and turn around and be out and on patrol !) As for LASD? they actually can and do match LAPD hook for hook and then some -rode with a bud one night @ century Station- LASD. as a one man unit( guess it was "two" with me on board) he got (3) "franks" -felon with handgun, foot pursuit of ADW suspects-caught the shooter, and a last minute "ghetto gazzelle" on parole with rock cocaine,and (2) lowly "mover" cites- he knocked the arrests and rpts out in 10 hrs 22mins. on an 8.5 hrs patrol watch-just trying to get 2/3 of the arrests my deputy bud did with an avg A car in a LAPD div.would have eaten up that 10.5 hrs and THEN SOME.

That's because our jail SUCK and you know they do. There were two great articles in the blue line talking about joint agency task forces working in the South Bay and Hollywood areas, how the officers from other agencies made arrests in LAPD areas and took the body back TO THEIR OWN dept for booking because of how outdated and slow the LAPD jails function.


As far as the 2 yrs vs 5yr or 10 yrs, we all know that isn't true for a good deal of SoCal agencies because many of them are just a busy as we are and do actually have more start to finish involvement in some cases.

LAPD SMART team for one is NEVER available to respond, or at least never been able to come when I wanted them to. As far as crime scene logs/ sketches/ follow ups and handling the entire inv, unless it's a K then yes we do. The DUI t/c, good luck getting a traffic unit to respond, there are so many T/C's in a night there is never a t-unit available, and most of the time their are no a-cars available to assist with any part of it. If they are avail, most regular patrol coppers avoid it like the plague anyway so no help there.

I agree with you taking offense to the 2yr officer having more than a 5/10yr comment, for a lot of agencies that doesn't prove true but at some it does.

I have respect for every other agency in this area unless there is a specific incident that leads me to feel otherwise. That is usually a particular officer not the entire dept anyway.

I guess what I am saying is we ALL need to quit making assumptions of what another agency does or does not do unless you have first hand experience with that agency.

DOAcop has been the most accurate person on this thread so far.




PS- LAPD RULES, ALL THE OTHERS DROOL !! :p

[DOAcop38]

That's because our jail SUCK and you know they do. There were two great articles in the blue line talking about joint agency task forces working in the South Bay and Hollywood areas, how the officers from other agencies made arrests in LAPD areas and took the body back TO THEIR OWN dept for booking because of how outdated and slow the LAPD jails function.

And its mgm't-(both the fickle "we can't trust our own " PD civies, and internal mgm't) in other depts ,particulalry the So.bay,even LASD- a civie jailor or custody officer will grab your body ask for a PCD and booking slip ,and -unless you have to go back and further interview your suspect- you will be out of the station in a matter of minutes.tried to get my dept to mix dictation rrpt filing,then tape recorded rpt filing to sync with basic LAPD reporting standards-got (2) angry and insulting replies! 1) "why?!! LAPD doesn't do it!" and 2) you just want to make more work for the clerk typists-who as you know from working the city of L.A.- neither "clerk" nor "type",but can sneer at you and drag their feet with the GREATEST skill when you have the "nerve" to ask for something( check the city civil service website- Police clerical are ALWAYS getting suspended for NOT doing their jobs)


there are alot of ways to make the job more "efficient" in Los angeles- I've sent letters suggesting the use of CSOs( community services officers);they could roll out and take "cold calls"( 459s,484/487 invs where suspect is gone),assist LAPD units in the field on T/ Cs ,and be cross trained on CSI duties( no long distance wait for civie print people,photos,etc),and respond and transport in custody suspects that are not violent ,to the station for booking.CSOs could be promoted from CSOI/II/III and would cost LESS $$$ than the hodgepodge of civie support personnel,plus would serve as a prep position for people who want to later be police officers with the city (LAPD,PORT,LAX GSD,etc) as you know- that all fell on "deaf" ears., and the avg P-II/P-III con'ts to be worked UNFAIRLY like a sick pitbull scratchin' around on Florence and Main st!!



PS- LAPD RULES, ALL THE OTHERS DROOL !! :p

obviously you've been working the LAX detail on OT-plenty of Airport coppers looking "sleepy" or down right retarded these days ( "children leading children"):rolleyes::D

[Berlioz]

LAPD SMART team for one is NEVER available to respond, or at least never been able to come when I wanted them to. As far as crime scene logs/ sketches/ follow ups and handling the entire inv, unless it's a K then yes we do. The DUI t/c, good luck getting a traffic unit to respond, there are so many T/C's in a night there is never a t-unit available, and most of the time their are no a-cars available to assist with any part of it. If they are avail, most regular patrol coppers avoid it like the plague anyway so no help there.



For me its always "We arent able to respond but transport to Central Div and we'll evaluate there." Grrrrr.

[rangesgt]

The funny thing is that I started this whole mess ha ha ha ha ha. I work in South LA (hence my name) and I grew up in the Inland Empire and have also lived in Riverside, and currently live in Murrieta, and have lot's of friends on all the neighboring departments. I know the streets there very well, and they do not compare to the streets in South LA. They may compare to our West LA Division. But I am mainly talking about South LA, the real police work. For someone that has not worked LAPD sure thinks he knows LAPD. You have no clue BUD. As for your laterals from LAPD not being able to make it, well guess what? they obviously didn't make here either. The number 1 reason why we lose officers to other agency's is because they couldn't handle it here and wanted something slower, very lazy people and shouldn't even be police officers in the first place in my opinion. Now onto the "5150" deal, what we have is called a SMART team. Officers may choose to request one, but getting one is a little harder than you think. We handle our "5150's" to the end, whether it's booking them or taking them in OUR patrol car to the hospital. We also place our own holds(72 hr WIC). So your info is wrong. LAFD does not transport 5150's, well that is if we didn't beat the hell out them or taze/bbag them. The reason why we have a SMART team is because of the time it takes for a "5150". That is pulling a patrol car off their beat for hours, when they could be back out on the streets doing police work.

Nobody can touch us on shootings, perimeters, searches, foot pursuits, stolen vehicles (with pursuits), gangs, guns, narco, air support, all the REAL police work. Isn't that what law enforcement is??? or is it doing a follow-up BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE TIME because some girl punched her boyfriend in the face. We choose LAPD because we want REAL police work, and that is not writing a book of citations for no front plates. As far as going to one shooting and just standing there (again he must know LAPD because he worked here RIGHT) while detectives do everything, you are mistaken BUD. Patrol officers conduct the follow-up to the susp's location, hook and book and write the rpt (except Homocides) if info leads to a susp that day of the shooting, which often occurs and have many under my belt.

For some of you that may think you know LAPD, don't talk about it unless youv'e worked it. Here is another one that should get you to debate on.....I'll bet that our phase 3 probationers can give a 5 year veteran at SBDSO, RSO, Upland PD, Ontario PD, Pomona PD, oh and definately Murrieta PD (not a PD in my book and I live there ha ha ha) a run for their money anyday.

Dude just stop it already, there are plenty of ghettos around that are just as bad as LA, no need to pump yourself up over it. All you're doing is reinforcing a negative stereotype that doesn't need any help.

[mtxpro752]

DOAcop, you got my vote for next LAPD chief, seriously!!!

It will take an act of GOD to change our horrible booking process. Get a records clerk to give you a DR in 20min or less and you are a GOD!!!!

[natejpg]

DOAcop, you got my vote for next LAPD chief, seriously!!!

It will take an act of GOD to change our horrible booking process. Get a records clerk to give you a DR in 20min or less and you are a GOD!!!!

DOAsop for President 08!:D

[Berlioz]

DOAcop, you got my vote for next LAPD chief, seriously!!!

It will take an act of GOD to change our horrible booking process. Get a records clerk to give you a DR in 20min or less and you are a GOD!!!!

I used to think that the talk of slow and/or rude records clerks was just a myth because ours are actually really good. I went to 77th div once to take care of some misc paperwork, and what a mess that place is. Slow as hell and not to mention the attitude those people had.

[DOAcop38]

DOAsop for President 08!:D

I"wish" you guys,THANKS!!! I'd only make BOTH the republicans psycho democrats MAD( would get rid of welfare and projects- only the old aged and disabled would get them) and i'd spend tax money on students (forced education or the army,or both -up to a min of AA/AS degrees)

Other than signing bonuses, what other methods fo you think would get more officers to apply for local depts( including folks from out of town/state)?
I think offering first yr or two housing free would help( decent enough nieghborhood- 2 bdrm apt or condo)

[SouthLACop]

Dude just stop it already, there are plenty of ghettos around that are just as bad as LA, no need to pump yourself up over it. All you're doing is reinforcing a negative stereotype that doesn't need any help.

:D

[mtxpro752]

:D

That's what we do BEST!! HYPE IT UP!! Oh yeah we also kick major butt

[pulicords]

Nobody can touch us on shootings, perimeters, searches, foot pursuits, stolen vehicles (with pursuits), gangs, guns, narco, air support, all the REAL police work. Isn't that what law enforcement is???

I'll bet that our phase 3 probationers can give a 5 year veteran at SBDSO, RSO, Upland PD, Ontario PD, Pomona PD, oh and definately Murrieta PD (not a PD in my book and I live there ha ha ha) a run for their money anyday.

Spoken like a true two year veterano!!! LOL LOL LOL Don't take offense, since you've experienced and know it all, in another two years you'll be chief and can eliminate all those shootings, gangs, narcotics, etc and Los Angeles will be as safe as the cities that surround it. Law enforcement is about a lot more than "being there." It's about the total level of quality service provided when you are there. I've worked with a lot of good LAPD officers, including many who left that agency because they felt they could do better elsewhere and did. There was nothing wrong with those officers, one of my partners worked the South Bureau his entire career and was awarded the LAPD Medal of Valor. He taught me more about how destructive the LAPD "syndrome" was on it's own people, than anyone else.

If you haven't worked elsewhere or worked extensively with officers from other agencies, you really don't have the knowledge, time on the job, or maturity to qualify the above statements. Just another know it all, slick sleeved, junior patrolman who has more bravado and mouth than experience. Every department has them, unfortunately even LAPD. Officers like this tend to burn out fast, retire IOD early, or find themselves unemployed before they're done "playing police."

[LA Copper]

I used to think that the talk of slow and/or rude records clerks was just a myth because ours are actually really good. I went to 77th div once to take care of some misc paperwork, and what a mess that place is. Slow as hell and not to mention the attitude those people had.

77th Records has had that reputation for many years.
My divisions' record unit's folks are very nice, no complaints here.

[Berlioz]

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[natejpg]

I"wish" you guys,THANKS!!! I'd only make BOTH the republicans psycho democrats MAD( would get rid of welfare and projects- only the old aged and disabled would get them) and i'd spend tax money on students (forced education or the army,or both -up to a min of AA/AS degrees)

Other than signing bonuses, what other methods fo you think would get more officers to apply for local depts( including folks from out of town/state)?
I think offering first yr or two housing free would help( decent enough nieghborhood- 2 bdrm apt or condo)

Sounds like a plan. Then since everyone has at least a AA/AS degree we can get rid of some of this political correctness bull shi and tell people really why they are passed up on jobs or other opportunities.
As for your question and being an out of state applicant in testing processes one thing that I think would improve is a faster process, also combining the testing for multiple agencies or agencies accepting other agency testing without the Whine, and more relaxed standards on POST's end for the waiver process. (watch i'll probably get stoned by rockthrowers for saying the word relaxed standards). The housing could be a good idea or vouchers for assistance in housing in conjunction with the cop next door program. Also maybe a little relocation help for those who are out of state. Just ideas though.