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NavyCop
03-30-2008, 04:52 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/17122191.html

Commish cracks down on 2 narcotics cops
By WENDY RUDERMAN
Philadelphia Daily News

rudermw@phillynews.com 215-854-2860

Flexing his authoritative muscle, city Police Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey this week personally punished two narcotics cops in connection with racially offensive, Klan-related stickers found inside a locker in January.
On Thursday night, Ramsey transferred officers Scott Schweizer and Eric Dial out of the force's elite Narcotics Strike Force and put them back on routine patrol in districts where they got their start as rookies.

He also gave each officer a 20-day suspension without pay and prohibited them from using vacation days toward the unpaid leave.

Ramsey yesterday called the discipline "harsh" but "just" and said he stopped short of firing Schweizer and Dial because the officers "had no histories that would indicate that they engaged in any racist type of activities."

But going forward, Ramsey warned, if Schweizer and Dial are ever implicated in any racially-charged incidents, he would not hesitate to dismiss them.

"We live in a diverse society . . . Police officers can't harbor prejudices," Ramsey said in a phone interview. "We do have to serve everyone equally and fairly."

The disciplinary action capped a two-month internal investigation that began after superiors found two racist stickers inside Schweizer's locker: One sticker read: "White Power." The other depicted a cartoon of a man, half as an officer in uniform and half as a Klansman, with the words "Blue By Day - White By Night."

Schweizer's attorney, Allan J. Sagot, had maintained that his client was the victim of a practical joke played by another officer, who affixed the stickers to the outside of Schweizer's locker. Upon seeing the stickers, Schweizer quickly ripped them off his locker and stuck them inside, without thinking, Sagot said.

An investigation by the Internal Affairs Bureau concluded that Dial had created the stickers and put them on Schweizer's locker in the narcotics strike force headquarters in Bridesburg, Ramsey said.

"Officer Dial does not admit to it but the evidence is there that he did in fact participate," Ramsey said.

Ramsey said a third officer who works with Dial "came forward" and "provided information about [Dial's] involvement."

"It's my understanding that [Dial] thought that this was a prank, but it was in incredibly poor taste," Ramsey said.

Efforts by the Daily News to reach Dial at work and at home were unsuccessful.

Sagot said he believes Schweizer will appeal the disciplinary actions against him to the police union.

The disciplinary action taken against Schweizer and Dial marked only the second time since Ramsey took office in January that he exercised a prerogative known as a "Commissioner's Direct Action," which empowers him to directly impose penalties against an officer and bypass a disciplinary hearing.

Rochelle Bilal, president of the Guardian Civic League, which represents 3,000 African-American officers in Philadelphia, said she hoped Ramsey's ruling "sends a message to the department that all jokes aren't funny."

Schweizer, 33, who had been on the strike force for the past seven years, will return to patrol in the 24th Police District, where he got his start as a rookie in 1997. The district encompasses the lower Northeast section of the city and includes the neighborhoods of Kensington, Harrowgate, Port Richmond and Juniata.

Dial, 32, a 10-year veteran of the force, will return to the 17th District in South Philly, where more than 80 percent of the residents are minorities and about 17 percent are white.

"I realize that there is a significant African-American population in each of those districts, but the reality is that there was nothing in the investigation that revealed that these officers really had racist attitudes," Ramsey said. "If these officers can't function then we'll have to take steps to see to it that they no longer serve as police officers." *


Maybe I'm missing something but it seems that Schweizer shouldn't have been punished at all.

LA DEP
03-30-2008, 05:09 PM
They probably would have got about the same with my agency.....smart thing would have been to 86 the stickers, not put them in his locker.....

CityCopDC
03-30-2008, 05:36 PM
They probably would have got about the same with my agency.....smart thing would have been to 86 the stickers, not put them in his locker.....

I have no idea what an "86" is. But I would think that the smart thing would to not have brought that nonsense to his job at all... http://tools.digeratimarketing.co.uk/content/lb/smile/confused/confused0065.gif

LA DEP
03-30-2008, 05:43 PM
I have no idea what an "86" is. But I would think that the smart thing would to not have brought that nonsense to his job at all... http://tools.digeratimarketing.co.uk/content/lb/smile/confused/confused0065.gif

86 (adjective); Lose; get rid of; dispose of; s**tcan; ect ect

Rex
03-30-2008, 05:44 PM
The prank was in very poor taste but I think the discipline was a bit extreme. In particular for Schweizer.

CityCopDC
03-30-2008, 05:47 PM
The prank was in very poor taste but I think the discipline was a bit extreme. In particular for Schweizer.

I dont think the punishment was harsh enough. Dismissal? No. 30-45 days? Yea.

jebtcop
03-30-2008, 05:59 PM
I dont think the punishment was harsh enough. Dismissal? No. 30-45 days? Yea.

If someone put a sticker on your locker....you should get suspended? I must be missing something.

Ten-32
03-30-2008, 06:06 PM
I'm glad they didn't get fired, but it was VERY irresponsible of Dial. Termination probably would have been justified for Dial, but I'm glad he has a second chance. Schweiser seems to have been the recipient of the prank, so I think the penalty is a little harsh for him.

Frank Booth
03-30-2008, 06:13 PM
God forbid some WASP should tell a Polish joke....

LA DEP
03-30-2008, 06:17 PM
God forbid some WASP should tell a Polish joke....

Under our 'policy of equity' you could get dinged for that too.....(even by a third party that overheard it).....and no, I'm NOT joking.....

DAL
03-30-2008, 06:31 PM
I don't think there is enough information to assess whether Schweizer's punishment was appropriate. Merely possessing such trash is far less serious than is displaying it.

LA DEP
03-30-2008, 06:37 PM
If someone put a sticker on your locker....you should get suspended? I must be missing something.

He didnt get suspended for getting the sticker put on his locker....at least from what the article states, he had removed the sticker from the front of his locker, and then put it INSIDE his locker.....he should have destroyed them ASAP.....that might have helped in getting his chestnuts removed from the fire.....

Frank Booth
03-30-2008, 06:59 PM
Under our 'policy of equity' you could get dinged for that too.....(even by a third party that overheard it).....and no, I'm NOT joking.....

But when's the last time it happened? I think we can all relate a story of when someone got in trouble for offending a woman, African-American, gay or lesbian or Muslim officer, but when's the last time you heard of discipline meted out as a result of a joke played at the expense of a European-American?

CityCopDC
03-30-2008, 07:24 PM
If someone put a sticker on your locker....you should get suspended? I must be missing something.

No. The officers that actually did it.

Brav989
03-30-2008, 09:34 PM
What exactly was wrong with the White Power sticker? As if I've never seen any other races say/display (insert race) power before. :rolleyes:

LA DEP
03-30-2008, 10:56 PM
But when's the last time it happened? I think we can all relate a story of when someone got in trouble for offending a woman, African-American, gay or lesbian or Muslim officer, but when's the last time you heard of discipline meted out as a result of a joke played at the expense of a European-American?

Happens all the time on my agency.....ANY emails, jokes, pictures; conversations that are overheard ect that have any connection to race; sex; religion; sexual orientation; ect are expressly forbidden......

If if the person that the remark ect was directed to was not offended, it doenst matter,,,,if a third hand (forth hand) party is offended, then an investigation is started, and discipline handed out if any violations are found....

DaLAW
03-30-2008, 11:02 PM
Well, if the officers truly were joking and didn't really hate Black people before...they will now! (Ramsey is Black). If Rodney King needs to go to Philly for any reason, he better do it within the next 20 days...Oh, I kid, I kid...


Quote:

"What exactly was wrong with the White Power sticker? As if I've never seen any other races say/display (insert race) power before."


LMAO! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Good one, good one. You got me, you got me, that was good. You had me going for a minute, I really thought you were being serious. Haha, you got me good...

Chit2001
03-30-2008, 11:02 PM
I received 3 days off without pay for forgetting that I saved a funny video on a computer (govn't). No one found out about it except for my boss.... no one was offended, everyone lauged (even him) and he threw me under the bus. The most ridiculous thing ever. I now have to put that on all my BI packets.

It was ultimately my fault and I took responsibility for it immediately.... but he did nothing when another employee popped a round off from her duty weapon in the charging barrel (who was clueless in how to operate her weapon). There's no sense in it.

syphon157
03-30-2008, 11:04 PM
Happens all the time on my agency.....ANY emails, jokes, pictures; conversations that are overheard ect that have any connection to race; sex; religion; sexual orientation; ect are expressly forbidden......

If if the person that the remark ect was directed to was not offended, it doenst matter,,,,if a third hand (forth hand) party is offended, then an investigation is started, and discipline handed out if any violations are found....

Yes, I remember the entire 6 hours of lecture on the POE. The main thing I got out of it is that we are a respect based organization and basically, like our mothers tell us, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

GGG
03-31-2008, 06:16 AM
I file a hostile work environment complaint about the prejudicial language used everytime our prisoner transport van is referred to as a "Paddy Wagon" but I have not won a case yet.

Gee I wonder why?

Those two guys could be the most racist individuals in the dept and they are fine, as long as they do not display that racism. They could be the most open minded people around, but tell a joke, and get fired.

Reality is completely irrelevent. Perception is the important factor. I love how Retard Ramsey states that there is no evidence to think either are racist, but he is going to bankrupt their savings taking 20 days pay to teach them a lesson.

CityCopDC
03-31-2008, 11:35 AM
You're joking right? Any public official that is racist shouldn't be a figure of authority carrying a gun. There's enough racist a-holes on the streets carrying a gun, but they just don't have authority. It's also just pure hate!

How would you feel if you pulled a vehicle over and saw a bumper sticker displayed "kill a cop and save you liberties?"

I don't think it was a "practicle" joke, more of a reflection of their character.

I think he is saying that its "ok" to be a racist as long as you dont bring your personal feelings to the job. Yea, like that happens. http://tools.digeratimarketing.co.uk/content/lb/smile/rolleye/rolleye0012.gif You can always tell who the undercovers are when they deal with "certain" prisoners. This goes for black white asian and the like. Then I agree with you because then that leads to nasty little things like "profiling" and slip ups such as this. If you have racial "insensitivies" then you shouldnt be serving the public period...

SgtD401
03-31-2008, 11:35 AM
There is no room for this kind of bs....I love a joke more than anyone else, come on this is over the edge and to put yourself in that position and then deny it? Something is wrong. Dial should be grateful he still has a job.

kingsman
03-31-2008, 11:41 AM
The point being, you can be racist and no one knows you are, at least until you make a public mistake.

I got yelled at, kinda, by my supervisor the other day when we were trying to determine a womans hair color on the survailance camera.

She came in and was trying to leave when she couldn't seem to figure out how to work the lever on the door to leave the building. I was trying to continue our conversation about hair color and made a freudian slip about "she's a blond" as she wrestled with the door.
(Here hair was Platinum Blond).

But he thought I might have said it loud enough for her to hear it, and that it could get me fired.

MPDCjock
03-31-2008, 11:41 AM
+1!

I don't believe the hogwash story of having found the sticker on his locker then placing it inside of his locker. Would he have done this same thing with drugs or money? I highly doubt it. Nice try, but that story doesn't pass the ol' sniff test.

I think they should've been fired. If an officer finds a racist joke funny, chances are their sense of humor shows through their work.

LeanG
03-31-2008, 11:42 AM
Looks like Dial threw Schweizer under the bus...

SgtD401
03-31-2008, 11:49 AM
The point being, you can be racist and no one knows you are, at least until you make a public mistake.

I got yelled at, kinda, by my supervisor the other day when we were trying to determine a womans hair color on the survailance camera.

She came in and was trying to leave when she couldn't seem to figure out how to work the lever on the door to leave the building. I was trying to continue our conversation about hair color and made a freudian slip about "she's a blond" as she wrestled with the door.
(Here hair was Platinum Blond).

But he thought I might have said it loud enough for her to hear it, and that it could get me fired.

Now your situation is an extreme and sounds like your Supervisor needs to chill out.

I get what you were saying, however, if push comes to shove, she was blond.

Mannix
03-31-2008, 12:33 PM
Seems cops are nothing but thin skinned snitches these days.

CityCopDC
03-31-2008, 12:37 PM
Seems cops are nothing but thin skinned snitches these days.

Based on your response and your location in "the south" you deem this acceptable? http://tools.digeratimarketing.co.uk/content/lb/smile/rolleye/rolleye0012.gif

LeanG
03-31-2008, 12:49 PM
Seems cops are nothing but thin skinned snitches these days.

What would be appropriate for cops to report to their supervisors?

Gulf Po Po
03-31-2008, 01:17 PM
Washington D.C. was the capital of the confederacy.

nogginbuster24
03-31-2008, 02:31 PM
If you're dumb enough or just plain childish enough to play racist practical jokes you deserve to get suspended without pay.

LA DEP
03-31-2008, 03:01 PM
Washington D.C. was the capital of the confederacy.

Ummmmmm....that would have been Richmond, Virginia......not DC......

CityCopDC
03-31-2008, 03:09 PM
Ummmmmm....that would have been Richmond, Virginia......not DC......

Dep, I would have just let him wade in that for a few pages thinking he was right... http://tools.digeratimarketing.co.uk/content/lb/smile/happy/happy0045.gif

SgtD401
03-31-2008, 03:37 PM
What would be appropriate for cops to report to their supervisors?

crimes aganist person(s) comitted in your presence

Gulf Po Po
03-31-2008, 03:53 PM
It was an attempt at a joke.

Thank you folks! I'll be here all week! Try the veal!

Ex Army MP
04-01-2008, 12:25 PM
Washington D.C. was the capital of the confederacy.

And Thomas Jefferson was the President of the Confederacy. Or was it Gray Davis? Maybe Sammy Davis.

I forget.