Race topics really starting to bother me..

[Mr Twigbert]

I ready this today on this site..

LIMA, Ohio --

A white police officer has been charged in the shooting death of a black woman during a January drug raid, an altercation that touched off protests and discussions about race relations.

Many citizens and civil rights leaders, including the Rev. Jesse Jackson, demanded that Chavalia and police officials who planned the raid be held accountable.
This is just getting out of hand.. However, 2 black guys kill a white college student and nothing is said..

Society is soooo messed up!

[CityCopDC]

I ready this today on this site..

LIMA, Ohio --

A white police officer has been charged in the shooting death of a black woman during a January drug raid, an altercation that touched off protests and discussions about race relations.

Many citizens and civil rights leaders, including the Rev. Jesse Jackson, demanded that Chavalia and police officials who planned the raid be held accountable.
This is just getting out of hand.. However, 2 black guys kill a white college student and nothing is said..

Society is soooo messed up!

Im black, african amercian or whatever you want to refer to me as. I have never agreed with the whole reverse discrimination thing and believe me, it exists. My dept is approximately 65% african american. If an african american officer shoots an AA suspect, no harm, no foul. If a caucasion officer shoots an AA suspect its an uproar. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0006.gif

[ateamer]

What was overzealous about the officer shooting the subject?

[Ten-32]

Im black, african amercian or whatever you want to refer to me as. I have never agreed with the whole reverse discrimination thing and believe me, it exists. My dept is approximately 65% african american. If an african american officer shoots an AA suspect, no harm, no foul. If a caucasion officer shoots an AA suspect its an uproar. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0006.gif


CityCop, I've always thought you were one of the more reasonable people on this board, and this helps prove it.

I'm curious - what is your opinion of Jesse Jackson in general?

[LeanG]

CityCop, I've always thought you were one of the more reasonable people on this board, and this helps prove it.

I'm curious - what is your opinion of Jesse Jackson in general?

I'll answer this. (not speaking for City, but for myself)

Jesse Jackson is a very smart man. Intelligent, articulate (there's that word again), and driven.

However instead of using his knowledge, popularity, and drive for the good of all communities, he uses his popularity and his position for division. When I was younger, I actually thought he stood up for the greater good of black Americans. As I've gotten older, and wiser ;) I began to notice that he did not fight for injustice...he fought for controversial issues that I didn't agree with, using the media as his megaphone as he drove the "black view" through the tv and radio. But that wasn't my "view".

I really turned against them when I noticed that their (he and Al) stance on a majority of police shootings were to take up the support of the perp who was shot, (irregardless of the pages of priors)and not of the officer who was in fear. This has left a sour taste in my mouth.

I wonder...If I were in a police involved shooting, having shot another black man/woman, who would Jesse support? A black officer trying to make a difference, or a black perp, who tried to resist/fight/kill me, but now plays the role of a victim as I answer countless questions about "why didn't you use your OC, or why didn't you shoot him in the leg".

Be safe.

[CityCopDC]

CityCop, I've always thought you were one of the more reasonable people on this board, and this helps prove it.

I'm curious - what is your opinion of Jesse Jackson in general?

Why thank you. :)

Im pretty much in the same boat as LeanG. While I do respect Jesse Jackson, I feel he is an "oppurtunist". When you have a clear cut shooting- suspect attempted to carjack a victim, produced a handgun, police roll up= dead badguy. Suspect black, officer white. To imply that it was racially motivated is what makes me wretch. And of course, "mr badguy" was the pillar of society in his neck of the woods, walked all the kids home from school and constructed lemonade stands for free "juice" during the dog days of summer. :rolleyes:

[J. Slacker]

I read that article and it made me cringe as well. I'm a black guy, and I too felt that the writer/editor/etc unnecessarily emphasized the racial component of the story for shock value. Very tasteless, IMHO...But so is the case in much of today's media.

As far as Jesse Jackson, I shake my head at him and the ("Rev Al", too). "Civil Rights Leaders" of this grain are, as was previously stated, opportunists. I would even go as far as to refer to them as sharks. They smell blood and they go in for the proverbial kill. I don't disrespect them, and I know what the ends to their fight are ("Equality"). I would love to see them switch their means, to see them promoting equality across the board, across "racial/ethnic" lines. The attitude that all black men (and women) killed as a result of (white) police actions were killed solely based on racism is ignorant. That theme has been stomped into the ground, and we (as a society) have gone nowhere

There are certainly historical cases of racist cops and illegal acts (both "way back when" and more recently), and it would be naive of us to think that racism is non-existant. The pervasive theme (according to the Jesse/Al crowd), however, is that the police/CJ system is systemically racist, and that most, if not all "white" police officers go out into the field with racial baggage and happy trigger fingers. That mindframe disgusts me, and it is counterproductive.

I would love to see more of our civil rights leaders, our black clergy(wo)men, our civic leaders attacking the problems that are pervasive in our communities (i.e. illicit drugs, gangs, broken homes, etc). Going after these problems, rather than trumpeting the lives of thugs who were killed as a result of their criminal enterprises/lifestyles as martyrs would go a long way to improving the communities that desperately need it. I would like to see for once...just once, Jesse Jackson, reach out to other leaders (from law enforcement and the political realm) and attempt real reforms at communication and partnership so that we can combat the TRUE problems facing many of our downtrodden American neighborhoods.

ETA: I think it's possible that the "standoffish" mindframe of "leaders" of the above mold regarding police relations may be partly (if indirectly) related to the "stop snitchin'" mentality of today...

[Frank Booth]

I don't see anything wrong with the newspaper article as it's written. They mention race because there's a racial angle. If it were an all black or all white cast, there would be no racial angle and no need to mention race. The newspaper didn't cause the racial overtones to the case and I don't see why they shouldn't report it.

It wouldn't be very good reporting if they said "A local police officer shot a local woman in a case that's generated accusations of racism...." etc.....

I'd wonder "what's up with the racism angle? Arab cop killed a Jewish guy? Japanese cop shoot a Korean merchant? Should I assume it was a white cop who shot a (any other race) guy?"

Unfortunately the race angle is news. Until it isn't (if that day ever comes) it's only logical to report it if you're in the newspaper business. I don't think that day will come any sooner if the media just ignores the racial overtones in a case like this.

[Ten-32]

I don't see anything wrong with the newspaper article as it's written. They mention race because there's a racial angle. If it were an all black or all white cast, there would be no racial angle and no need to mention race. The newspaper didn't cause the racial overtones to the case and I don't see why they shouldn't report it.

It wouldn't be very good reporting if they said "A local police officer shot a local woman in a case that's generated accusations of racism...." etc.....

I'd wonder "what's up with the racism angle? Arab cop killed a Jewish guy? Japanese cop shoot a Korean merchant? Should I assume it was a white cop who shot a (any other race) guy?"

Unfortunately the race angle is news. Until it isn't (if that day ever comes) it's only logical to report it if you're in the newspaper business. I don't think that day will come any sooner if the media just ignores the racial overtones in a case like this.

I can't disagree with you Frank... I know it's idealistic, but I keep hoping for the media to report only relevant facts.

The media knows that by mentioning irrelevant facts, such as the races of the people involved, that they are subconciously swaying the minds of their readers/watchers. Just because they mention the races, people automatically think it was because of race.

A prime example is the phrase "gunned down." Well, the gun didn't do anything - it was the person holding the gun who "shot" another person. "Shot" is a factual word. "Gunned down" is a phrase designed to pique emotion and focus on the fact that the murder was committed with a gun, rather than by a person.

One more thought... If everyone desires racial equality, why is race mentioned in every freakin' news story??? Frank is right - because it's news. But it's only news because the MEDIA says so. It really shouldn't be.

['02SilverBullet]

You guys may have missed a similar story here in my back yard. It was a hell-of-a uproar about this.
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=BBB051DAE432F0F6CE0D7DD074932207 ?contentId=3690800&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

That Sgt. ended up quitting after months of the community and "activists" ( Jesse and All) were calling for his dismissal. They say he quit for a better job oppotunity but he was never fired.

[Frank Booth]

While the media is not new to stirring up the races (they stirred up the white folks into a riot in Tulsa in the 20's and various other cities with stories of blacks raping white women, etc.) I think there would still be a racial element to a lot of these cases, with or without the media and with or without J.J. and Al. As far as chicken or egg, racial hysteria definately came first. You can't call JJ an "opportunist" without admitting that. He may take advantage of it, but I don't think he manufactures it. Same with the media, certain outlets being worse than others.

[SammyCal1]

I hate this race B.S. I cannot understand why it is so unacceptable for a white police officer to kill a black criminal in defense of himself or others.

Why is there no racial uproar in regards to the two peices of sh--t that killed that beautiful girl in North Carolina? Or is that sort of murder acceptable in our society.

There will never be racial harmony as long as there are people like black Jessie Jackson & Al Sharpton, and white people like the KKK and skin heads.

Just my little rant. Thanks for listening (so to speak).

Also, did the sergeant quit the job or take a retirement. Either way he is off the job, but there is a difference.

Sammy

[Frank Booth]

I hate this race B.S. I cannot understand why it is so unacceptable for a white police officer to kill a black criminal in defense of himself or others.


Apparently there was enough evidence to issue a warrant. If you can't accept that it might have been a bad shooting, you can't expect others to accept "good" shootings when circumstances and evidence show that they were "good" shootings.

Lima Officer Charged in Fatal Shooting


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17 March 2008 @ 11:19 am ESTNext Global News Article
LIMA, Ohio (AP) - A white police officer has been charged in the shooting death of a black woman during a January drug raid, an altercation that touched off protests and discussions about race relations.



E-mail: A grand jury charged Sgt. Joseph Chavalia with negligent homicide in the death of Tarika Wilson, 26, who was killed in a SWAT raid at her house while looking for her boyfriend, the special prosecutor said Monday.

When she was shot, Wilson was holding her 1-year-old son, who was also wounded. Chavalia was charged with negligent assault for the injuries to the boy, who required his finger to be amputated.

Wilson's family and Lima's NAACP office said the misdemeanor charges against Chavalia should have been more severe.

"When you take aim and shoot someone with your gun, I don't see how it's negligent," said Ivory Austin II, brother of Tarika Wilson.

"No one's above the law, even if he serves it. Don't separate the police from the people. We are all equal in the society. Treat the police like you would treat the common man."

A message seeking comment was left for the police chief. There is no telephone listing for Chavalia in the Lima area.

Little else is known about what happened during the raid. Police said Wilson's 31-year-old boyfriend, who was arrested, was the target of a drug investigation.

Many citizens and civil rights leaders, including the Rev. Jesse Jackson, demanded that Chavalia and police officials who planned the raid be held accountable.

Jason Upthegrove, president of the Lima NAACP, said the group will ask the FBI and Justice Department to determine whether the case was handled fairly.


You gotta love this quote though:
"When you take aim and shoot someone with your gun, I don't see how it's negligent," said Ivory Austin II, brother of Tarika Wilson.

If black cops shot a white citizen, holding her baby, and blew off a baby finger while doing it, in a mostly white area patrolled by mostly black cops, and there was a history of tension between the residents of the neighborhood and police, I think you'd probably hear about it. Ever heard of Ruby Ridge?

In this case, without knowing more, it sounds like the guy may have gotten off lightly with a misdemeanor charge that would allow him to keep his job. And like I said......"WITHOUT KNOWING MORE".

[Steve Talley]

You guys may have missed a similar story here in my back yard. It was a hell-of-a uproar about this.
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=BBB051DAE432F0F6CE0D7DD074932207 ?contentId=3690800&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

That Sgt. ended up quitting after months of the community and "activists" ( Jesse and All) were calling for his dismissal. They say he quit for a better job oppotunity but he was never fired.

Sounds to me the guy is ****ed off at the City Council because he is no longer on it. I took it that the shooting gave him the opportunity to get back at them for something.:confused:

[DH21187]

You have got to love one of the guy's quotes that the Mayor has allowed too many young, white guys to be cops in a black neighborhood.

On a side note, that reporter April is smoking on the video...

[ParkCop 23]

You guys may have missed a similar story here in my back yard. It was a hell-of-a uproar about this.
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=BBB051DAE432F0F6CE0D7DD074932207 ?contentId=3690800&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

That Sgt. ended up quitting after months of the community and "activists" ( Jesse and All) were calling for his dismissal. They say he quit for a better job oppotunity but he was never fired.

Yea I remember this, Notice the name of the community group is, "Concerned PASTOR's and Citizens" That just made me chuckle, anyone from memphis knows what I mean. During the COGIC convention 20% of memphis population becomes "pastors".

I used to work just on the other side of the river from where this went down and I know what its like being a white officer trying to do right for a community that doesnt want you there, then they sent me to Northeast (appling farms) :p wonder why.

Oh and about the reporter, welcome to memphis baby!

[JSD73]

I too am tired of this country being divided by self appointed civil rights leaders. They do nothing to combat poverty or any real problems facing the minority communities, but instead choose to maintain the 'victim' status of these communities, telling them they are victims of every little thing under the sun and that only they are their ray of hope. Rather than attempting to build people up, they keep them down and it sickens me.

I remember the old school house rock t.v. vids and when all the different color children would jump into the big pot and it would swirl into one big mass and the message was, that we were all Americans, no matter what. Now we have 'celebrate diversity'. You cannot continually point out how different everyone is, how unfair it is for ONLY certain people, that ONLY one race can be the victim, and so forth and expect there to be ANY type of unity. However, division is in these folks best interest, for without it, they aren't needed anymore, they have no more job to make them important.

I digress, but here's my question for my fellow brethren in LE who are of the black race. I firmly believe that many black Americans feel the way you do concerning race/the police/equality, however, why is it they as a whole do not stand up and say ENOUGH? Enough of the divisiveness, enough of only focusing on the big bad white cop killing the poor black or hispanic thug, enough of the victimization status of our race.

I never understood how these guys, like Quannell X, here in Houston can walk around in their custom made suits, roll up in a decked out Hummer, have fancy expensive jewelry showing, and act as though they are just another member of the community who actually cares but perpetuates the oh poor is me victim mentality. My question is, what are they doing, or why haven't they showed their followers what it is they did, or how hard they worked in order to be successful. It always bothered me when I heard blacks tell other blacks, that being smart or successful was being "white". I couldn't believe I heard it then and I can't believe I still hear it today!

Anyways, I digress, and let's just state for the record, I know there is racism, I know there is inequality, I know things aren't perfect, but I also know they never will be and certainly not with the pervasive attitude that we whites are all one big happy racist bunch of cops/people.

I hope to God people stand up and say enough before this little problem ends up tearing this country apart as my little girl, being tri-racial is gonna have a hard enough time as it is.

[jshawn]

My perspective on the matter as a black man has pretty much been summed up by CityCop and LeanG especially on the issue of Jackson and Sharpton (the lowest form of scum around).

[BD380]

Watch this video and listen to the commentary by the cameraman.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=507_1222605984

My question to black officers is this: is this view common among the people you're responsible for policing?

[C-15]

Watch this video and listen to the commentary by the cameraman.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=507_1222605984

My question to black officers is this: is this view common among the people you're responsible for policing?

WOW!!! i know in my town he would have been arrested. for atleast public profanity, and a few other things.

im not for or against obama but i love how he thinks if he gets in office this wont happen again, if thats what he thinks obama will be a busy man.

[SicSemper Fi]

That normal these days; that is why Obama is running. People like to hear good things and are not man enough to accept the facts.

[FNA209]

On a funny note, we arrested a guy the other day who said to the black officer with me: "Yeah, you're making me sit here on the ground. This is just another case of the black man keeping a white man down."

So I arrested him so he couldn't claim racial prejudice. :p

Our society is too fragmented. When you have parents and friends giving sound bites to the media like, "He was a good father"; "He just got a job"; etc while excusing the drug-dealing, thug activity, felon with a gun crap, you'll have reports like the one that this thread is about.

It's good news. Reporting the fragmented issues inflame the people. That's good news and it sells. Add in the racism shills who earn their livelihood off the issue, it will never go away.

[Blackavar]

My thoughts on the issue are this...."I miss Martin Luther King."

What a man of God and integrity he was.

I'm not black. In fact, if my skin were any whiter I'd be see through

[TheKansan]

Watch this video and listen to the commentary by the cameraman.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=507_1222605984

My question to black officers is this: is this view common among the people you're responsible for policing?

Yes it is a common view. As though we are supposed to excuse their crimes just because they are black. :rolleyes:

That is why we are called sell-outs and other things. They think it all has to do with race.

[rpd1794]

I've said it brfore, and I'll say it again...you're either an a-hole, or you're not an a-hole. Color, income, or religion are irrelevant.

People like Sharpton and Jackson thrive on keeping us divided. If, overnight, all this were to disappear, their gravy train would as well.

Our enemies make no distinctions. Put someone in cammies with a US Flag on the shoulder, and we're all the same to them. Yet we can't seem to grasp this concept.

At a time when I fear we may be on the brink of losing everything that most of us were sworn to protect, we still have time for this $%#. Amazing. If anybody has any words of wisdom as to how I'm suppossed to explain to my children why the country I love, swore to protect, and wanted to leave for them is gone, I'm all ears....

[PO2U]

I'll answer this. (not speaking for City, but for myself)

Jesse Jackson is a very smart man. Intelligent, articulate (there's that word again), and driven.

However instead of using his knowledge, popularity, and drive for the good of all communities, he uses his popularity and his position for division. When I was younger, I actually thought he stood up for the greater good of black Americans. As I've gotten older, and wiser ;) I began to notice that he did not fight for injustice...he fought for controversial issues that I didn't agree with, using the media as his megaphone as he drove the "black view" through the tv and radio. But that wasn't my "view".

I really turned against them when I noticed that their (he and Al) stance on a majority of police shootings were to take up the support of the perp who was shot, (irregardless of the pages of priors)and not of the officer who was in fear. This has left a sour taste in my mouth.

I wonder...If I were in a police involved shooting, having shot another black man/woman, who would Jesse support? A black officer trying to make a difference, or a black perp, who tried to resist/fight/kill me, but now plays the role of a victim as I answer countless questions about "why didn't you use your OC, or why didn't you shoot him in the leg".

Be safe.

+1

I'm a Black man, and I second that post. I feel the same way about Al Sharpton...and even...yes I'll say it...the NAACP (in some cases).

IMO, Al and Jesse try to hang on to the popularity that they received in the 1960's by attaching themselves to everything that could be remotely considered a race issue (white on black only, of course). As a Black man, I still sometimes encounter racism. Heck, I believe the Jenna 6 incident is racially motivated, but the last person I would call to lead a march against it would be Al Sharpton.

They do cause division, and conveniently cast a blind eye to reverse discrimination. If you are going to call yourself a civil rights leader and be an advocate for victims of racial prejudice, then do it for more than just your race.

My two cents
*clink* *clink*

[Blackavar]

If you are going to call yourself a civil rights leader and be an advocate for victims of racial prejudice, then do it for more than just your race.

Very well said! I think the mentality of "us against them" even in the fight for equality is one of the things that keep us apart,

[BigRob]

Watch this video and listen to the commentary by the cameraman.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=507_1222605984

My question to black officers is this: is this view common among the people you're responsible for policing?

that guys ignorance makes him part of the problem instead of solution. Racism is the one of the only things that really, really makes me mad. whether is white v. black or black v. white, its pure ignorance. i'm with everybody else, i wish people would just wake up one day and realize how ignorant they have been.

[chisgt]

Hey Guys New to the board. I just want to point out that as we all know their will always be prejudice and racism. Most of us see this every day from every race and education level. I feel that in the 12 years as a police officer it is the media that has made racism more prominent. Every time I stop a car I am accused of racial profiling. When I attempt to explain what profiling is most people look at you like you have three heads. I feel that the media has made it increasingly difficult for officers to do their job. You stop a car because the driver gave you that familiar oh-sh-t look but the media will interview the family who will tell you what a great asset to society there child is regardless of his felony convictions. Like every field their are always some bad apples, but most officers are just trying to do their job. I have no problem appologizing to someone who has been mistakenly stopped.

[tony.o]

that guys ignorance makes him part of the problem instead of solution. Racism is the one of the only things that really, really makes me mad. whether is white v. black or black v. white, its pure ignorance. i'm with everybody else, i wish people would just wake up one day and realize how ignorant they have been.

You get a gold star today for that PC post.:) Or how about a smiley face.:)

[tony.o]

Hey Guys New to the board. I just want to point out that as we all know their will always be prejudice and racism. Most of us see this every day from every race and education level. I feel that in the 12 years as a police officer it is the media that has made racism more prominent. Every time I stop a car I am accused of racial profiling. When I attempt to explain what profiling is most people look at you like you have three heads. I feel that the media has made it increasingly difficult for officers to do their job. You stop a car because the driver gave you that familiar oh-sh-t look but the media will interview the family who will tell you what a great asset to society there child is regardless of his felony convictions. Like every field their are always some bad apples, but most officers are just trying to do their job. I have no problem appologizing to someone who has been mistakenly stopped.

12 years on and you still try to explain something to people who hate you? Not all you stop, I'm talking about the one's who you can tell right away, without a word even being said yet, when you walk up to them that they really, really hate you.

[chisgt]

Lets be honest they all hate me. Must be my wonderful personna

[ray8285]

I'll answer this. (not speaking for City, but for myself)

Jesse Jackson is a very smart man. Intelligent, articulate (there's that word again), and driven.

However instead of using his knowledge, popularity, and drive for the good of all communities, he uses his popularity and his position for division. When I was younger, I actually thought he stood up for the greater good of black Americans. As I've gotten older, and wiser ;) I began to notice that he did not fight for injustice...he fought for controversial issues that I didn't agree with, using the media as his megaphone as he drove the "black view" through the tv and radio. But that wasn't my "view".

I really turned against them when I noticed that their (he and Al) stance on a majority of police shootings were to take up the support of the perp who was shot, (irregardless of the pages of priors)and not of the officer who was in fear. This has left a sour taste in my mouth.

I wonder...If I were in a police involved shooting, having shot another black man/woman, who would Jesse support? A black officer trying to make a difference, or a black perp, who tried to resist/fight/kill me, but now plays the role of a victim as I answer countless questions about "why didn't you use your OC, or why didn't you shoot him in the leg".

Be safe.

I knew there was a reason I liked you LeanG, thoughtful as always.

[Tunkle]

In that LiveLeak video of Lincoln, NE.....

"I's not ignant"

"I no's my rights" to bad he forgot about the Right to Remain Silent.