Ny/nj Port Authority Pd

[Giants03]

I took the test November 1 and got my letter saying I passed. Does anyone know when they might be calling people from the new list? I've heard of other's going through the interview process, but I don't know if they've been called from the old list or not. Anything anyone could tell me would be helpful!

Thanks.

[NYPDxJx]

I took the test November 1 and got my letter saying I passed. Does anyone know when they might be calling people from the new list? I've heard of other's going through the interview process, but I don't know if they've been called from the old list or not. Anything anyone could tell me would be helpful!

Thanks.

My best friend is in the PAPD Academy right now and he was telling me back in December that the people who just took the test should be hearing back from the PAPD anywhere from mid January to February. From what he says, they are looking to put at least 200 cops on the street with this current list and you probably will find out deff by June.

If you have any other questions about the PAPD just let me know and i'll ask him for you and try to help you out the best i can.

[NYCTNT]

your gonna need one of these to get on any time SOOOOON!

[Giants03]

Thanks NYPD. I 10,000 people took the test, so it's going to be a tough road. The only other question I have, if you don't mind asking, is will they notify me only if I'm called to move through the process or will they let me know if they've already called everyone they are going to call for this year? I know the list is good for 5 years, so I assume they don't put everyone through to the remaining steps in one year.

I'm not currently in Law Enforcement in anyway, so I'm not familiar with how these procedures work. I really appreciate any insight you might be able to offer. Thanks again.

[NYPDxJx]

Thanks NYPD. I 10,000 people took the test, so it's going to be a tough road. The only other question I have, if you don't mind asking, is will they notify me only if I'm called to move through the process or will they let me know if they've already called everyone they are going to call for this year? I know the list is good for 5 years, so I assume they don't put everyone through to the remaining steps in one year.

I'm not currently in Law Enforcement in anyway, so I'm not familiar with how these procedures work. I really appreciate any insight you might be able to offer. Thanks again.

Yeah thats what my friend told me that only 10,000 people took the test this time around, which actually works out very well in your favor. My friend took the test last time around about 5? years ago and when he did around 30,000 people took it. And yes the list is good for 5 years, so if you did score well your basically going to be called. The trick here is making it through the Interview and all the other processes.

As for your question, my friend told me they will send you a letter either way letting you know if you passed the written test or not. If you did pass, it should say on the letter that they will be in touch with you to further your process.

[wpaterno]

there are threads about this already. It is a pass/fail test. 7000 people passed and those names are then chosen at "random" to continue.

[gbotj]

yeah 2007 was the jackpot on test taking. Alot of big 4 year exams came out and people had to really pick and choose which exam they wanted to take mainly for financial reasons. To name a few SCPD, NCPD, FDNY, PAPD, NYC Sanitation, and TBTA all gave their exams and for anyone looking to take all of them they'd spend about $500 or more on filing fee's over the course of the year. Its just the way it worked out, and PAPD had less people file for their exam. Good luck.

[Giants03]

I received my letter telling me I passed towards the end of November. What prompted my question was I had read on other forums that people had starting interviewing for the PAPD already. I wasn't sure if they were from the new list, the old list or if it wasn't true at all.

I tried looking for other threads on this site but couldn't find any. Thanks for your responses, I appreciate it.

[NYPDxJx]

I received my letter telling me I passed towards the end of November. What prompted my question was I had read on other forums that people had starting interviewing for the PAPD already. I wasn't sure if they were from the new list, the old list or if it wasn't true at all.

I tried looking for other threads on this site but couldn't find any. Thanks for your responses, I appreciate it.


Just got off the phone with my friend and asked him about that. He said its a good sign that you recieved your letter that early but wasnt sure why you werent called for an interview yet because he said people are already being interviewed for the next class coming up.

If i get any more info ill be sure to let you know.

[gbotj]

they started interviewing off the new list.

everyone got their results at the same time. and you probably werent picked in the random lottery. Not everyone gets picked who passes the exam.

[JackieBoy]

The PAPD's 109 academy started this past August and should be graduating soon. What happened was that they called a first group of people for the 110 academy last June from the 2002 list to start the process. Then the PAPD called a second group of people for the 110 academy in December from the 2007 test / list.

Keep in mind that the PAPD didn't start calling people from the 2002 list until 2005 and there were 11,000 people on that list and supposedly they exhausted the entire 2002 list. Also, alot of people from that list were current NYPD and those guys were forced to bow out due to the current dispute. I believe that they usually call 2 to 3 thousand people at a clip just to get a class of 50 to 90 cadets. With 7000 people on the new list, they should go through it pretty quickly. I know they were disappointed in the fewer number of people who took the 2007 test. Not a big showing.

[JackieBoy]

16,000 people took the 2002 PAPD test, not 30,000.

Yeah thats what my friend told me that only 10,000 people took the test this time around, which actually works out very well in your favor. My friend took the test last time around about 5? years ago and when he did around 30,000 people took it. And yes the list is good for 5 years, so if you did score well your basically going to be called. The trick here is making it through the Interview and all the other processes.

As for your question, my friend told me they will send you a letter either way letting you know if you passed the written test or not. If you did pass, it should say on the letter that they will be in touch with you to further your process.

[NYPDxJx]

16,000 people took the 2002 PAPD test, not 30,000.

The DI's told my friend it was around 30,000 people in 2002.

[Giants03]

Thanks everyone! I had been hearing conflicting reports about whether they started calling off the new list or not yet, so I'm glad you were able to clear that up for me. I guess I'll keep exploring other options and hope to get called relatively soon. We'll see I guess.

Thanks again!

[JackieBoy]

I'm sorry, but that's not accurate. 16000 people took the test and 11000 people passed. That is exactly what it said on the pass/fail notices that were sent out after the exam in 2002.

The DI's told my friend it was around 30,000 people in 2002.

[NYPDxJx]

I'm sorry, but that's not accurate. 16000 people took the test and 11000 people passed. That is exactly what it said on the pass/fail notices that were sent out after the exam in 2002.

I know, my friend got the same letter. Im just saying what the DI's told them, thats all.

[gbotj]

I cannot believe (I believe you, I'm just saying its amazing) that PAPD went through 11,000 people off the previous list. I know a few thousand (like 3 or 4) was NYPD and could not take the job, but even with that your looking at 7,000 people. Plus guys who after 2002 went on NYPD and then couldnt switch (ok thats like what 6,000) and then the ones who got on other PD's or left the state, moved on, changed there mind over the course of 4 years, now were down to 5,500.....actually thats pretty realistic.....Now I see how they exhausted the list.

This exam is out of 7,000 which means once you weed out current, and future NYPD you guys may look at a candidate pool of 5,000 just excluding NYPD. Good luck guys.

[NYCTNT]

huh?

what was that?

[JackieBoy]

I hear ya. The fact is that the PAPD exam doesn't get a big turnout like Suffolk & Nassau exams.

I know, my friend got the same letter. Im just saying what the DI's told them, thats all.

[dapc131]

Does anyone know:
1) if there is a PAT requirement?
2) how the salary increases work? The website mentions 32,361 to start and 83,141 after 5 years, what are the steps throughout those five years.
3) how you are assigned to your pct and if transfers is possible.

[dapc131]

Anyone have any info on what chart PAPD uses?

[sik70ss]

Ok guys, heres the deal. Im currently in the NYPD academy and i had a hard time continuing my investigation with the PAPD, however, they made accomodations for me to finish the process.... And i know everyone would say definetly go to the PAPD, but i have doubts.. im 22, and just starting my LE career. i think working for the NYPD now and working in an impact zone can be exciting and would be real police work, however, i have a feeling when i get older its not going to be as fulfilling and i will want to move up in the ranks or go into a unit... but at the same time, i feel the PAPD is great pay but you dont do as much, as far as handling cases like in the NYPD. i know i need to think about the future, especially money wise..... anyone have any advice/ info on the PAPD and what they would do?? thanks guys

[SCPS PO]

Ok guys, heres the deal. Im currently in the NYPD academy and i had a hard time continuing my investigation with the PAPD, however, they made accomodations for me to finish the process.... And i know everyone would say definetly go to the PAPD, but i have doubts.. im 22, and just starting my LE career. i think working for the NYPD now and working in an impact zone can be exciting and would be real police work, however, i have a feeling when i get older its not going to be as fulfilling and i will want to move up in the ranks or go into a unit... but at the same time, i feel the PAPD is great pay but you dont do as much, as far as handling cases like in the NYPD. i know i need to think about the future, especially money wise..... anyone have any advice/ info on the PAPD and what they would do?? thanks guys

Out of curiosity, how did the PA accommodate you? Did PD release your files to the PA?

If I was in your position, I'd take the money and run. No one takes on the role of a Police Officer to be rich but no one does it to be poor. PAPD from what I hear is a department that treats you like an adult and pays well. When you have a family and a mortgage, every penny counts.

[sik70ss]

im in the academy now and they were able to reschedule my appointments.... can anyone list any other benefits of the PAPD other than the pay, as compared to the NYPD..

[JackieBoy]

This covers it all pretty much:

*15 mins ot for standing roll call. Approx. $2,500 yearly
*2 one hour meal periods per tour. (In the contract its 30 mins and 45 mins but we all do the hour/hour)
*Excellent uniform allowance.
*NYPD time carries up front.
* You will prob be sent to one of three facilities that are getting killed in OT The Lincoln Tunnel (Bundle up) The PA Bus Terminal or possibly JFK. You may also be assigned to whats called the central police pool, in which you are sent to ANY facility to cover manpower deficienies (sp) at that command. You do recieve a "Pool Stipend" of approx (Correct me if im wrong PA guys) $1500, so its not so bad.
*You are treated like a gentleman.
Most are 4 on 2 off 8h 15min tours. SOME Admin spots, and a few 5 0n 2 off 5 on 3 off but rare. You will be assigned a 4 on 2 off. Vaca picks are good. You are guaranteed a summer vacation or winter (prime time christmas pick). Lots of goodies in the contract but be prepared to be bored. Use the job to get a masters or law degree. Lot of down time if youre not looking for activity.

There are many different charts. Most guys have steady tours and work 4 on and 2 off. Some work 4 and 2 and alternate between days and afternoons. Many have the admin chart with weekends off with chart days added. Some work the 5 on 2 off, 5 on 3 off you mentioned. The contract states what the minimum/ maximum number of RDO's you must have per year. It's a minimum 120 and a maximum of 123 RDO's.

Pay Scale

Effective 1/21/06
Academy Rate $32,362
1st year 34,834
2nd year 46,183
3rd year 53,102
4th year 61,056
5th year 70,203
6th year 80,719

Effective 1/21/07
Academy Rate $32,362
1st year 34,834
2nd year 47,568
3rd year 54,695
4th year 62,888
5th year 72,309
6th year 83,142

Effective 1/21/08
Academy Rate $32,362
1st year 34,834
2nd year 49,471
3rd year 56,882
4th year 65,403
5th year 75,202
6th year 86,467

Effective 1/21/09
Academy Rate $32,362
1st year 34,834
2nd year 51,450
3rd year 59,158
4th year 68,020
5th year 78,210
6th year 90,000

These are only base numbers. Add night diff of 12.5 % for tours 1 & 3, longevity pay of 0.5 % of base for every year of service, 15 minutes of OT every tour for roll call, 7.5% extra for working plainclothes, and 14 holiday pay(double time) days (Christmas Eve 12/24 and New Years Eve 12/31 included.)

Personal Days
5 personal days are received each year with the ability to convert comp time into 4 additional personal days. They can be saved and carried over into the next year. Only very specfic reasons for a personal day to be denied, as outlined in the contract.

Uniform Allowence
3% of the current MAXIMUM base police officer pay. On 1/21/06 that will be $2421.

Overtime Cap
Removed from contract, no cap.

Full health benefits after retirement, United Heathcare PPO Plan , $5 co-pay for doctor's visit, precription plan $2 for generic, $5 for name brand, Met Life Dental 80% coverage for most everything.

Vacation
28 days after 5 years, 29 days when you hit 25 years of service.

Sick is complicated but virtually unlimited.

We don't pay into our pension hence no interest is paid on it.

Current contract expires 1/21/10
You get vacation days, you start out with either 20 or 21 vacation days and by 5 years work your way up to 28 days, you can do vacation swaps with other guys and also work your vacation and get paid for that too, that is called a Vacation X. Stay Safe out there

im in the academy now and they were able to reschedule my appointments.... can anyone list any other benefits of the PAPD other than the pay, as compared to the NYPD..

[NYCAPO]

WOW. That is awesome. I cant wait til they hire again.

This covers it all pretty much:

*15 mins ot for standing roll call. Approx. $2,500 yearly
*2 one hour meal periods per tour. (In the contract its 30 mins and 45 mins but we all do the hour/hour)
*Excellent uniform allowance.
*NYPD time carries up front.
* You will prob be sent to one of three facilities that are getting killed in OT The Lincoln Tunnel (Bundle up) The PA Bus Terminal or possibly JFK. You may also be assigned to whats called the central police pool, in which you are sent to ANY facility to cover manpower deficienies (sp) at that command. You do recieve a "Pool Stipend" of approx (Correct me if im wrong PA guys) $1500, so its not so bad.
*You are treated like a gentleman.
Most are 4 on 2 off 8h 15min tours. SOME Admin spots, and a few 5 0n 2 off 5 on 3 off but rare. You will be assigned a 4 on 2 off. Vaca picks are good. You are guaranteed a summer vacation or winter (prime time christmas pick). Lots of goodies in the contract but be prepared to be bored. Use the job to get a masters or law degree. Lot of down time if youre not looking for activity.

There are many different charts. Most guys have steady tours and work 4 on and 2 off. Some work 4 and 2 and alternate between days and afternoons. Many have the admin chart with weekends off with chart days added. Some work the 5 on 2 off, 5 on 3 off you mentioned. The contract states what the minimum/ maximum number of RDO's you must have per year. It's a minimum 120 and a maximum of 123 RDO's.

Pay Scale

Effective 1/21/06
Academy Rate $32,362
1st year 34,834
2nd year 46,183
3rd year 53,102
4th year 61,056
5th year 70,203
6th year 80,719

Effective 1/21/07
Academy Rate $32,362
1st year 34,834
2nd year 47,568
3rd year 54,695
4th year 62,888
5th year 72,309
6th year 83,142

Effective 1/21/08
Academy Rate $32,362
1st year 34,834
2nd year 49,471
3rd year 56,882
4th year 65,403
5th year 75,202
6th year 86,467

Effective 1/21/09
Academy Rate $32,362
1st year 34,834
2nd year 51,450
3rd year 59,158
4th year 68,020
5th year 78,210
6th year 90,000

These are only base numbers. Add night diff of 12.5 % for tours 1 & 3, longevity pay of 0.5 % of base for every year of service, 15 minutes of OT every tour for roll call, 7.5% extra for working plainclothes, and 14 holiday pay(double time) days (Christmas Eve 12/24 and New Years Eve 12/31 included.)

Personal Days
5 personal days are received each year with the ability to convert comp time into 4 additional personal days. They can be saved and carried over into the next year. Only very specfic reasons for a personal day to be denied, as outlined in the contract.

Uniform Allowence
3% of the current MAXIMUM base police officer pay. On 1/21/06 that will be $2421.

Overtime Cap
Removed from contract, no cap.

Full health benefits after retirement, United Heathcare PPO Plan , $5 co-pay for doctor's visit, precription plan $2 for generic, $5 for name brand, Met Life Dental 80% coverage for most everything.

Vacation
28 days after 5 years, 29 days when you hit 25 years of service.

Sick is complicated but virtually unlimited.

We don't pay into our pension hence no interest is paid on it.

Current contract expires 1/21/10
You get vacation days, you start out with either 20 or 21 vacation days and by 5 years work your way up to 28 days, you can do vacation swaps with other guys and also work your vacation and get paid for that too, that is called a Vacation X. Stay Safe out there

[JackieBoy]

It's an excellent job, but very difficult to get. It's hard to figure out their selection criteria when it comes down to their psychological testing. Alot of people get knocked out during that stage of the process - doesn't matter if they're already LE or not.:confused:

WOW. That is awesome. I cant wait til they hire again.

[dapc131]

JackieBoy,

Great post! Thanks for answering all of my questions. One more, any idea how many officers PAPD is looking to hire in the near future?

[ICE MAN516]

JackieBoy,

Great post! Thanks for answering all of my questions. One more, any idea how many officers PAPD is looking to hire in the near future?

If you are a current NYPD, they will not hire you. NYPD will not release your personnel records and PAPD will not hire you. NYPD won law suit recently stating in sum they did not have to turn over their records.

[ICE MAN516]

Ok guys, heres the deal. Im currently in the NYPD academy and i had a hard time continuing my investigation with the PAPD, however, they made accomodations for me to finish the process.... And i know everyone would say definetly go to the PAPD, but i have doubts.. im 22, and just starting my LE career. i think working for the NYPD now and working in an impact zone can be exciting and would be real police work, however, i have a feeling when i get older its not going to be as fulfilling and i will want to move up in the ranks or go into a unit... but at the same time, i feel the PAPD is great pay but you dont do as much, as far as handling cases like in the NYPD. i know i need to think about the future, especially money wise..... anyone have any advice/ info on the PAPD and what they would do?? thanks guys

I work with the PORT guys all the time plus we have several PORT Detectives assigned to our office. Pay and benefits are awesome, NYPD would be more exciting and more high speed. You have to figure out what you want. The way things are now, I say go PAPD and never look back. be safe out there.;)

[dapc131]

If you are a current NYPD, they will not hire you. NYPD will not release your personnel records and PAPD will not hire you. NYPD won law suit recently stating in sum they did not have to turn over their records.

Does this hold true for civilian MOS as well?

[JackieBoy]

To be honest with you, no I really don't know on how many they plan on hiring. What I can tell you is this: Last year (2007) they had 2 academy classes, one in January and one in August. I believe the January class had about 80 to 85 cadets and the August academy had about 60 to 65 cadets. The academy class that started in June of 2006 only had about 50 to 55 cadets.

So the truth is, they really don't hire many and I believe their academy class has a capacity of 90 cadets and they really don't fill all those seats. It also seems like they really only have one to two academies per year at most.

I think if they hire over 400 officers in the next 4 years, that's going to be alot for them and trust me, they will exhaust the entire 7000 candidate list to get those 400. They are VERY selective.

JackieBoy,

Great post! Thanks for answering all of my questions. One more, any idea how many officers PAPD is looking to hire in the near future?

[Giants03]

I got a DHL package inviting me to the remaining steps of the Port Authority process. Anyone get the same thing? It lists a ton of things I need to have for an interview scheduled for April 6 (Sunday). Just wanted to see who was in the same boat and what I should exptect. Thanks.

[richbrown123456]

I didnt so congrats to you... just curious once you get called for the process and pass the PT is it still a long shot to get in or are you pass that part and just have to pass the next steps?

[JackieBoy]

There is no physical agility test in their process. This is how their process works:
1) Go in for initial paperwork processing, drug test, fingerprinting
2) Come back in to meet with background investigator
3) Background investigation (very extensive)
4) Oral interview
5) Written psyche
6) Oral Psyche & medical exam

[Cadet2020]

Received a DHL package from PAPD....its a good amount of paper to complete with so little time.....What was once a great thing to hear from the PAPD has become a complicated one....since I'm already in an academy for another agency, but at the same time would not want to let an opportunity like this go by...and do not know if I would be able to attend the future dates in July-Sept...any ideas anyone...

[MPDCjock]

I haven't received anything since receiving my passing written exam results. Congrats on moving on in the process!

If you don't plan on leaving your current agency I would withdraw from the process. If you'd rather work for PAPD then you have a difficult choice to make. Some academies allow a recruit/cadet to take leave, most don't though. If yours does, see if you can take leave for the dates you need to process with PAPD.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do!

[gbotj]

Cadet, as bad as it seems you have to remember you have a great job right now and are in the academy for it. Not for PAPD, anything can happen with PAPD, they are very selective. You may decide to leave the academy now to process for PAPD and then wind up not getting hired and now your SOL.

You should be able to defer to a later group, did they send any letters like that?

[codese7en]

There's a wealth of info on the NJLawman forum about the PAPD. Alot of guys get knocked out during the last phase (psych), and there's pretty much nothing you can do about it. Good luck!

[Cadet2020]

Hey gbotj...yea I do know I have a good job going on here and so far its been a positive experience and I would not leave it for any 1st phase invitation letter from any other agency...but this was an opportunity I didn't want to just let go...At least to see what happens, already knowing the process is very demanding...
No theres no defer letter...but I will call and find out...

[Giants03]

Thanks for the info. I have an "interview" on Sunday in Jersey City. They stated in the letter that we should wear "business attire". According to what was posted earlier, all we're doing is getting pictures taken, drug test and fingerprints? They have also scheduled interivews for the following week as well, my letter doesn't say whether I need to go to both. Any input would appreciated. I've never applied for a Police job of any kind, so this is all really really new to me. Thanks.

[JackieBoy]

Oh boy, well you're in for it with these guys. First off, try to get as much of the requested documentation as possible because it will make things alot easier for you. Secondly, make sure you have your blue book notarized!!!! Or you will get chewed out. Thirdly, get ready to sign a bunch of paperwork that gives them the right to view your entire personal life like an open book. Fourthly, get ready for them to bust chops with their "para-military" rhetoric and expect them to try to scare & intimidate alot of people into dropping out of the process initially.

You do need to go to both interviews because the second interview is when you meet your background investigator and he goes over your booklet and required documentation. And whatever else they need to discuss with you.

Thanks for the info. I have an "interview" on Sunday in Jersey City. They stated in the letter that we should wear "business attire". According to what was posted earlier, all we're doing is getting pictures taken, drug test and fingerprints? They have also scheduled interivews for the following week as well, my letter doesn't say whether I need to go to both. Any input would appreciated. I've never applied for a Police job of any kind, so this is all really really new to me. Thanks.

[Giants03]

Thanks for the heads up. I'm glad I found out about this stuff now instead of at 6:30 am on a Sunday morning! I have just about all of the paperwork listed inside the blue book and it will be notorized by the time I get there. Any idea how long I should expect to be at these "interviews?"

[JackieBoy]

You're going to be there for a while - maybe even up to 6 hours. Depends on how many people are in your group. Like I said, not really an interview, just alot of paperwork & processing - go here, go there, fill this out, fill that out, etc...........

Thanks for the heads up. I'm glad I found out about this stuff now instead of at 6:30 am on a Sunday morning! I have just about all of the paperwork listed inside the blue book and it will be notorized by the time I get there. Any idea how long I should expect to be at these "interviews?"

[Giants03]

I see. I'm surprised they want us in business attire if they are just going to be shuffling us around for the morning. Should be interesting if nothing else. I'll post back what happens and how the day went on Monday. My time slot is Sunday morning in Jersey City at 6:30 am, it's the worst time slot available!

[richbrown123456]

always wear business attire!!! the only time you do not is during the pt and sometimes the med.

[JBStateCO]

Giants,

Is that the PA letter for the test in 07?

[Giants03]

JB,

I took my written test Nov. 1 2007. I received a passing letter about a month or so after that. This past wednesday i received a DHL package inviting me to the next steps in the process. I have to report to Jersey City this Sunday for initial processing. Hope that answers your question.

[JackieBoy]

They will emphasize that when you go there this Sunday. You will need to be in business attire for the entire steps of the process. Don't ever go to the Jersey City Technical Center without a suit and tie. Also, you will need to be in business attire when you go for your med & psyche in their NYC office. Good luck!! The job is well worth it.

I see. I'm surprised they want us in business attire if they are just going to be shuffling us around for the morning. Should be interesting if nothing else. I'll post back what happens and how the day went on Monday. My time slot is Sunday morning in Jersey City at 6:30 am, it's the worst time slot available!

[JackieBoy]

There is no pt. Like I said, you will need to be in business attire for the med. The only time they will be lax on that policy is when the background investigator comes over for a home visit and you can ask your BI if you need to be in suit when he calls you to schedule the visit.

always wear business attire!!! the only time you do not is during the pt and sometimes the med.

[JBStateCO]

Hey Giants,

Concrads! Alot of us that took the exam and recieved the passing letter are waiting for a DHL letter. Good Luck and I hope all goes well

[Giants03]

Thank you very much. I'll keep everyone posted on the events as they unfold, although it seems like jackieboy is pretty savvy with the entire process. I'll see if I can add anything to what he's already told us!

[bigblue8081]

Listen to this. I passed the test. Just bought a house, it slipped my mind to change address. Then i havent checked my e-mail in a couple days. Last night i checked it and saw the message dated 03/27. I called this afernoon and spoke to someone in the city and she wanted me to come in today, i couldnt i was on way to work. Then they told me the 5th and 12th i gg to Jersy to see investigator. The 12th i gg to a wedding lol. I am taking off tomorrow to fill out a Blue Book?? What should i do. My current job (CBP) is good, almost the same $$ and 25 year retirement, plus 5 years on already. I am going to go tomorrow to see what the story is and make a decision from that point. How long will it take me to fill out the blue book maybe i dont need to miss a day of work if i go in the morning. I gotta be @ JFK for work @ 1300. I need to be at Park ave takin ferry from S.I. then try to make it to work, possible??

Be honest i was talkin to someone yesterday bout how i wasted $75.00 on this test, Never expected to make it through the lottery... when it rains it pours. Now i gotta worry bout mortgage payments and paycut. Lookin for advice. Thanks

[Cadet2020]

Somewhat similar situation here...bigblue ...like i said in my last post....never thought to make it through the lottery system this quick....

[jrf328]

Man I wish I could get that package. My girlfriends father is retired PAPD and knows alot of people. It really would be a great opportunity. I guess time will tell.

[JackieBoy]

Supposedly having a "hook" won't help you as far as the selection process (mainly due to their psyche evaluation), but obviously it does help once you make it onto the department.

Man I wish I could get that package. My girlfriends father is retired PAPD and knows alot of people. It really would be a great opportunity. I guess time will tell.

[kablaam]

Listen to this. I passed the test. Just bought a house, it slipped my mind to change address. Then i havent checked my e-mail in a couple days. Last night i checked it and saw the message dated 03/27. I called this afernoon and spoke to someone in the city and she wanted me to come in today, i couldnt i was on way to work. Then they told me the 5th and 12th i gg to Jersy to see investigator. The 12th i gg to a wedding lol. I am taking off tomorrow to fill out a Blue Book?? What should i do. My current job (CBP) is good, almost the same $$ and 25 year retirement, plus 5 years on already. I am going to go tomorrow to see what the story is and make a decision from that point. How long will it take me to fill out the blue book maybe i dont need to miss a day of work if i go in the morning. I gotta be @ JFK for work @ 1300. I need to be at Park ave takin ferry from S.I. then try to make it to work, possible??

Be honest i was talkin to someone yesterday bout how i wasted $75.00 on this test, Never expected to make it through the lottery... when it rains it pours. Now i gotta worry bout mortgage payments and paycut. Lookin for advice. Thanks

Not to put your current job down or anything but, I doubt you can compare the benefits/pay package of your current job(or any federal) to the PA.

100k+
20 Years out(50% pay plus med/dental)
Nice gigs
Loads of OT
Great bunch of guys/gals

Don't let this opportunity pass you by, do whatever you have to do to get the job, then make your decision. Call in sick, skip the wedding(if they love you they will understand), do whatever it takes! People would do anything to be in your position.

[CLOCKWORK ORANG]

^ x2

That's a once in a lifetime opportunity.

I hope I get called.

[PlainSilverTin]

Listen to this. I passed the test. Just bought a house, it slipped my mind to change address. Then i havent checked my e-mail in a couple days. Last night i checked it and saw the message dated 03/27. I called this afernoon and spoke to someone in the city and she wanted me to come in today, i couldnt i was on way to work. Then they told me the 5th and 12th i gg to Jersy to see investigator. The 12th i gg to a wedding lol. I am taking off tomorrow to fill out a Blue Book?? What should i do. My current job (CBP) is good, almost the same $$ and 25 year retirement, plus 5 years on already. I am going to go tomorrow to see what the story is and make a decision from that point. How long will it take me to fill out the blue book maybe i dont need to miss a day of work if i go in the morning. I gotta be @ JFK for work @ 1300. I need to be at Park ave takin ferry from S.I. then try to make it to work, possible??

Be honest i was talkin to someone yesterday bout how i wasted $75.00 on this test, Never expected to make it through the lottery... when it rains it pours. Now i gotta worry bout mortgage payments and paycut. Lookin for advice. Thanks

i have a friend in customs at jfk too and it sounds like sweet gig (a little monotonus, but hey what LE job isn't sometimes...), but if you made it through the lottery there is no GS grade for financial freedom and great work enviornment. you should go and find out if you have any personal contacts to talk to to find out what the job is really like. i think it's crazy that they put a cap on your OT at customs... wish ot flowed like that in my dept.

o in otherwords, go...bang out and then skip the horrible dj music and crappy food that they claim they spent 150.00 per plate for. like clockwork said, once in a lifetime op...

[Jayc6018]

Wow

I just recieved an email today from PaPD stating I'm on to the next process and that a DHL package is in the mail that I have to fill out immediately.

I really did not think I would even get an opportunity to move forward in the process after passing the test.

Talk about luck, I will make sure not to miss this for anything.

As long as my record is clean, credit report a little stained but who's isn't in this economy. We should be good to go.

Good luck to all in the selection process.

[SCPS PO]

How often do they send out packages? I know with 7000 people passing the exam, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

[MPDCjock]

I haven't heard squat since passing the written exam.

[JackieBoy]

Don't worry guys, you will definitely get called sometime in the future - they should exhaust the entire list of 7000 people from the 2007 exam. From what I remember, they called / exhausted the entire 11000 person list from the 2002 exam in a short period of time.

[CLOCKWORK ORANG]

^ Excellent news to hear, thanks.

[hellhammer]

Don't worry guys, you will definitely get called sometime in the future - they should exhaust the entire list of 7000 people from the 2007 exam. From what I remember, they called / exhausted the entire 11000 person list from the 2002 exam in a short period of time.


Actually, a lot people were waiting 4+ years to receive the call from the 2002 exam. However, this process is going much faster so you never know.

[JackieBoy]

You're right, but they really didn't start calling people from the 2002 exam until 2005. And it took them from 2005 to 2007 to go through the entire list.

Actually, a lot people were waiting 4+ years to receive the call from the 2002 exam. However, this process is going much faster so you never know.

[richbrown123456]

Well thats good news to hear, everyone who passed is going to get their shot. Thats how it should be. Only down fall is this means they are VERY VERY SELECTIVE, from what i have heard they only hire a couple of hundred off the list.

[JackieBoy]

"couple of hundred" - that's if we're lucky

Well thats good news to hear, everyone who passed is going to get their shot. Thats how it should be. Only down fall is this means they are VERY VERY SELECTIVE, from what i have heard they only hire a couple of hundred off the list.

[gbotj]

11,000 called for what 200 positions? Might as well enter the NFL Draft...probably have a better shot.lol.

[richbrown123456]

Not only that they dont have a PT i dont think. That is what usually takes out more then half the candidates. LOL yea NFL it is. Nah just kidding i dont mean to shoot down those who just got called. Try your hardest dont look at it like this, you never know. Good Luck

[gbotj]

yea, do your best and you will be fine. Talk to current PA officers and maybe they will give some pointers on things. Good luck guys

[Jayc6018]

Not only that they dont have a PT i dont think. That is what usually takes out more then half the candidates. LOL yea NFL it is. Nah just kidding i dont mean to shoot down those who just got called. Try your hardest dont look at it like this, you never know. Good Luck

Is the PT the Pat Test? if so do they give this before the academy or in the academy?

I checked out the 1.5 mile run and you only have to do it in a little over 16 minutes. Thats a piece of cake considering NYPD's or better the pat test that most upstate depts use thats certified by NYS. You have to do that in 12mins 15 secs I believe.

[JackieBoy]

There is no Physical Agility Test during the initial screening process. You don't have to do pushups, situps or a 1.5 mile run. If you make it to the last stage of their process which is the medical and psyche, they will give you a stress test if your BMI is over 30. So they'll make you run on a treadmill and monitor your heart.

Is the PT the Pat Test? if so do they give this before the academy or in the academy?

I checked out the 1.5 mile run and you only have to do it in a little over 16 minutes. Thats a piece of cake considering NYPD's or better the pat test that most upstate depts use thats certified by NYS. You have to do that in 12mins 15 secs I believe.

[richbrown123456]

Ouch that kind of sucks. I weight 205, 5 foot 7 inches tall so my BMI has got to be real high (i havent checked in a while) I also can run forever, i had no problem at all passing the PT for suffolk, only thing is my heart beats insanly fast. I have no clue how it works but it does not sound too good for me

[Jayc6018]

Ouch that kind of sucks. I weight 205, 5 foot 7 inches tall so my BMI has got to be real high (i havent checked in a while) I also can run forever, i had no problem at all passing the PT for suffolk, only thing is my heart beats insanly fast. I have no clue how it works but it does not sound too good for me

Yeah I'm 5'9 190 but I already started running and to drop about 10 to 15 lbs

[JackieBoy]

Seems like all the people being called from the 2007 exam are in a sweet spot right now. Theoretically the PA should be hiring more rookies to curtail the OT the senior guys are getting before they retire. Here's a good article about that: http://www.nj.com/starledger/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-2/1209443855261040.xml&coll=1

[Jayc6018]

Anybody go to their first event yesterday? boy was that a ton of paperwork. What was surprising was during the before the **** test the LT literally cleared about 6 to 7 people out of the room because they thought they were going to fail the **** test.

Gook luck fellas and see ya next sat.

[richbrown123456]

fail what test?? how many people were their?

[Jayc6018]

fail what test?? how many people were their?

Oh sorry it was the urine test it apart of the first phase of the background investigation.

I was in the 4pm group. About 38 people showed up aftwards about 30 was left but judging by the first 2 groups that came earlier I sure more were sent home.

[richbrown123456]

wow sent home? for what reason? They looked like druggies or something lol or did they not have proper business attire?

[Jayc6018]

wow sent home? for what reason? They looked like druggies or something lol or did they not have proper business attire?

Nah they voluntarly left. The LT was explaining the drug policy and he said if its found out that you failed the drug test you will be banned from applying for any law enforement job. Before conducting the test he gave candidates a chance to come clean if they feel that they might fail the drug test they can withdraw with no questions asked.

[redfzn13]

Nah they voluntarly left. The LT was explaining the drug policy and he said if its found out that you failed the drug test you will be banned from applying for any law enforement job. Before conducting the test he gave candidates a chance to come clean if they feel that they might fail the drug test they can withdraw with no questions asked.

I might be wrong, but I don't think he said you'll be barred from ALL LE jobs, just PAPD.

[DOAcop38]

Seems like all the people being called from the 2007 exam are in a sweet spot right now. Theoretically the PA should be hiring more rookies to curtail the OT the senior guys are getting before they retire. Here's a good article about that: http://www.nj.com/starledger/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-2/1209443855261040.xml&coll=1


join the PAPD because its a "Good l.e. career",not becuase you think there is a "gravyboat" there-working at its westcoast equivalent,we went thru the SAME B.S. for yrs-mgm't,even our city PD partners complaining we MADE TOO MUCH $$$$,but then they-mgm't and city PD didn't do jack to help us with our workloads !! the most I've ever cleared in a yr -with OT $$$ was $158K and $147K ( post 9/11 to 2002,2003)-still easily clear $100K off of a mid $80s yrly salary.but thats cause there is actual WORK and not just "sitting around" OT( on call and must appear court on cases,late watch arrests,etc)-it always swings like this,no matter what agency-mgm't cries they need more people,have a tough time getting them( laborious applicant screening,****poor processing,etc) then won't or don't want to spend the $$ to equip and deploy them.when they get the "magic" numbers they want,mgm't complains about the high operating costs,when they run "short" and need the manpower ,they are pushy in wanting the officers to WORK the OT to be"available".good luck to all of you entering L.E.,,where ever you are...

[Waterpistola]

Wow this is good news, I thought my trip down to Jersey and my $75 were a waste. I am from Mass and would seriously consider becoming a PA officer. Still no package yet though, just the "congrats you passed along with 7000 others"

[darkhelmet]

Oh sorry it was the urine test it apart of the first phase of the background investigation.

I was in the 4pm group. About 38 people showed up aftwards about 30 was left but judging by the first 2 groups that came earlier I sure more were sent home.

there is only a urine test for the drug test portion? if that the case you can in theory get a bunch of coke heads joining.. i thought all law enforcement jobs tested using hair.. i guess not

[John2008]

there is only a urine test for the drug test portion? if that the case you can in theory get a bunch of coke heads joining.. i thought all law enforcement jobs tested using hair.. i guess not

NYPD does hair, I'm surprised PAPD doesn't do Hair instead of urine.

[JackieBoy]

There is a urine test again when you go for the medical and they will also test your blood for drugs. These guys are very thorough when it comes to their selection process and they definitely try to make sure no one slips threw the cracks.

[darkhelmet]

it is of my knowledge that testing blood was deemed unconstitutional by the supreme court which is why most agencies test the hair... I could be wrong.. i remember reading that somewhere.. ill try and locate a source.

[JackieBoy]

It doesn't matter if it's unconstitutional. The PA is like the CIA - they can do whatever they want.

it is of my knowledge that testing blood was deemed unconstitutional by the supreme court which is why most agencies test the hair... I could be wrong.. i remember reading that somewhere.. ill try and locate a source.

[darkhelmet]

It doesn't matter if it's unconstitutional. The PA is like the CIA - they can do whatever they want.

they cannot do whatever they want... there are certain rules and regulations all agencies must follow. A lawsuit is a big issue and no agency wants to fork over millions of dollars for breaking some stupid and victimless rule. If blood testing is illegal (still looking for that source) than I don't see how the PAPD can use that to test candidates.

[JackieBoy]

Woe.......Don't kill the messenger. Lawsuits aren't a big deal because the burden of proof rests on you. I'm sure there has been candidates in the past who have tried to sue them because they were disgruntled with failing their selection process, but the moral of the story is that they can't even scratch the surface.

they cannot do whatever they want... there are certain rules and regulations all agencies must follow. A lawsuit is a big issue and no agency wants to fork over millions of dollars for breaking some stupid and victimless rule. If blood testing is illegal (still looking for that source) than I don't see how the PAPD can use that to test candidates.

[darkhelmet]

i wanst trying to be combative if i was i apologize.. i was just tryin to make a point thats all :)

[JackieBoy]

No worries my friend.

i wanst trying to be combative if i was i apologize.. i was just tryin to make a point thats all :)

[John2008]

It doesn't matter if it's unconstitutional. The PA is like the CIA - they can do whatever they want.

There are certain rules a regulation they fall under, one of them is that the have to fallow NYS MPCT when hiring in NYS.

[darkhelmet]

There are certain rules a regulation they fall under, one of them is that the have to fallow NYS MPCT when hiring in NYS.

thats what i thought too.. still looking for that link.. give me a day ill find it

[John2008]

thats what i thought too.. still looking for that link.. give me a day ill find it

http://criminaljustice.state.ny.us/legalservices/mptc_regs.htm

[darkhelmet]

thanks ahole for showing me up... jk haha.. :) does that document explain how blood testing is illegal?

[John2008]

thanks ahole for showing me up... jk haha.. :) does that document explain how blood testing is illegal?

nope, but I just referring to the statement of how "they can do what they want", they talk about urine test.

[Spec VVV]

How long do drugs stay in hair??

[jerry40]

How long do drugs stay in hair??

Someones gotta guilty conscience....JK I believe its 90 days on average.