LAPD signing bonus

[MrBug708]

On January 16, 2008, the Police Officer Signing Bonus took effect. This Signing Bonus provides up to $10,000 to qualified candidates applying for the position of Police Officer with the Los Angeles Police Department. The Signing Bonus is offered for a limited time only. Many of your questions about the details, candidate eligibility and program expiration can be found below. To view the complete ordinance in its entirety, please click here.

What is the Los Angeles Police Department Signing Bonus Program?

LAPD Signing Bonus Program is a pilot program to encourage qualified, experienced officers (laterals) and new recruits to join the Los Angeles Police Department. Both Mayor Antonio R. Villaraigosa and Chief William Bratton are committed to growing the department to ensure the City’s safety and prosperity.

Who is eligible?

The signing bonus program will cover recruits who have started the training academy on or after January 8, 2007 and have graduated the training academy by March 31, 2009.

The January 2007 through October 2008 classes are eligible based on when they pass probation.

Laterals will continue to be eligible for the bonus beyond October 2008 because their academy training is abbreviated (depending on qualifications); therefore, they can enter the lateral academy at a later date and potentially be eligible, provided that they graduate by March 31, 2009. For information on lateral (Police Specialist) requirements, please click here.

How much will I receive?

· A new recruit will receive a maximum signing bonus of $5,000.00

($2,500.00 upon graduating the training academy; $2,500.00 upon

successful completion of their probation period.)

· A lateral recruit will receive a maximum signing bonus of $10,000.00

($5,000.00 upon graduating the training academy; $5,000.00 upon
successful completion of their probation period.)

Which academy class will receive their initial signing bonus payment first?

The February 2008 academy class will be the first recruits to receive their initial payment of $2,500.00 (New recruit) or $5,000.00 (Lateral) upon graduating the training academy. The remaining balance will be given at the successful completion of the probation period.

What is the operative date?

The operative date is Jan 16, 2008. The ordinance has an operative date tied to it, which activates the start of this pilot program.

When will I receive my signing bonus?

The following academy classes will be eligible to receive their signing bonus in one lump sum once recruits successfully complete the probation period:

* January 2007 (1-07) through June 2007 (6-07)

* These classes will receive an appt bonus in accordance with the City ordinance.

The following academy classes will be eligible to receive their signing bonus in two payments (1) graduation from academy, (2) successful completion of probation period:

· July 2007 (7-07) – October 2008 (10-2008)

Laterals will continue to be eligible for the bonus beyond October 2008 because their academy training is abbreviated (depending on qualifications); therefore, they can enter the lateral academy at a later date and potentially be eligible, provided that they graduate by March 31, 2009. For information on lateral (Police Specialist) requirements, please click here.

What steps must I take to receive my signing bonus?

· If you are a recruit from July 2007 (7-07) – October 2008 (10-08 ) academy classes, the Commanding Officer of LAPD’s Training Division will forward correspondence to LAPD’s Fiscal Operations Division with the names of those who are to receive the first half of their signing bonus. Fiscal Operations Division will pay the candidates by check within 6 to 8 weeks.

When the Recruit Officers successfully complete their probationary period, the Commanding Officer of LAPD’s Personnel Division will forward correspondence to LAPD’s Fiscal Operations Division with the names of those who are to receive the second half of their signing bonus. Fiscal Operations Division will pay the officers by check within 6 to 8 weeks.

· If you are a recruit from January 2007 (1-07) through June 2007 (6-07) who has already graduated from the police academy, the appointment bonus will be paid in one lump sum at successful completion of probation.

When does the program end?

The program will end on March 31, 2009. The graduating class of March 2009 will be the last eligible group to receive the appointment bonus.

For additional questions please contact:
The LAPD Recruitment Division at (866) 444-LAPD or by email at joinlapd@lapd.lacity.org

http://www.joinlapd.com/bonus.html

[Kieth M.]

Well, this ought to thoroughly torque the jaws and bunch up the panties of those ineligible officers who just started the academy/got off probation prior to the start of the program.

And what will the net gain be? I predict very little. As I have said before, the Department loves to alternately boast or complain that they hire only one in 300 applicants. Today's headline saying that, perhaps, 29 Metro Division officers may be charged for their actions in the May 1, '07, incident will do little to attract tenured officer candidates from other agencies. Although I still admire Chief Bratton, I would not want to work for Mayor Villareconquista and the city councilmembers, again for any amount of money - I know that's easy to say after finishing 30 years and retiring and moving a thousand miles away. I sincerely hope that the department gets the candidates it needs to get the job done, but I would hope they do the work on behalf of a better city leader(s).

[syphon157]

Just like the military. Throwing tons of cash around to get and keep people around.

[DOAcop38]

..........

And what will the net gain be? I predict very little. As I have said before, the Department loves to alternately boast or complain that they hire only one in 300 applicants. Today's headline saying that, perhaps, 29 Metro Division officers may be charged for their actions in the May 1, '07, incident will do little to attract tenured officer candidates from other agencies. Although I still admire Chief Bratton, I would not want to work for Mayor Villareconquista and the city councilmembers, again for any amount of money - I know that's easy to say after finishing 30 years and retiring and moving a thousand miles away. I sincerely hope that the department gets the candidates it needs to get the job done, but I would hope they do the work on behalf of a better city leader(s).

No shame in telling the truth! (29) well trained,highly disciplined and hard working officers LAID OUT over some lousy UNAMERICAN squatters and criminals(one of my classmates got the bruises from being hit by those "innocent" plastic water bottles that no one admitted were full of HARD Frozen water being thrown by the "immigrants")-and the city council ,led by Jan "pimp the poor" Perry,Bernard "SATAN" PArks ,et al think that $10K,eerrrr, actually $6,500 AFTER taxes, is such a BONUS to want you to work under those conditions???? Even in my backwards Dept-Airport PD, a trainee can easily make 25%-30% more than starting salary in his /her first yr!(currently we start at $2,000/yr more than our harder working LAPD counterparts) I can't remember in the past when applicants would perfer to work a Bell Gardens ,Costa Mesa or Arcadia PD over LAPD !!!

You are right as usual ,sarge! the money could be BETTEr used to spread out amongst officers, buy newer and better crime fighting equip-put in a OT war chest,or even in a law suit war chest- anything ,but trying to bribe people who are going to apply anyway... and what will they do when EVERYONE ELSE starts offering bonuses of like or better $$$?- give away hyundai's or ford focuses to succesful applicants?.......

[ateamer]

No wonder they're paying a bonus. After they announced that they want to have 29 of their own officers imprisoned for doing their jobs against a violent insurrection, they are going to have a hard time finding anyone who wants to work for Bendover Bratton and Vivalaraza.

[IMachU]

Nope - not enough to get me to lateral. Not NEARLY enough.

[Five-0fromSoCal]

No point for someone to lateral . We can make that in o/t in one or two months.

[IMachU]

Got that right!! I'm actually talking a break from the OT at the moment...gotta get stuff done around the house that I neglected while working the OT

[DOAcop38]

No point for someone to lateral . We can make that in o/t in one or two months.

Lateral? LAPD doesn't treat you as a latera(yuor outside PD experience equals only 1/2 the time of a LAPD officer,vs. an LAPD officer lateralling somewhere else.also "discovered" that not all LAPD "laterals" to other agencies are as "bright" or hard working as the dept protrays them to be) Have 2 friends who went over ( for one it was an inter city transfer,for the other -he LEFT LASD;neither are currently happy with their "choice" even though both have passed probation).IF LAPD had a true lateral program where they respected the training and experience of outside officers,plus some serious incentives,you'd get more officers laterling to LAPD form smaller depts locally.....

[Garbage Man]

Even if I spent every penny of that money on booze it still wouldnt seem like a good idea. And my experience is only 1/2 counted?!? when I do twice the quality of police work in my current agency?!?

[DOAcop38]

Even if I spent every penny of that money on booze it still wouldnt seem like a good idea. And my experience is only 1/2 counted?!? when I do twice the quality of police work in my current agency?!?

Yup,sir ,we'd only make "HALF" of an LAPD copper with same time on the job:D

[Five-0fromSoCal]

Lateral? LAPD doesn't treat you as a latera(yuor outside PD experience equals only 1/2 the time of a LAPD officer,vs. an LAPD officer lateralling somewhere else.also "discovered" that not all LAPD "laterals" to other agencies are as "bright" or hard working as the dept protrays them to be) Have 2 friends who went over ( for one it was an inter city transfer,for the other -he LEFT LASD;neither are currently happy with their "choice" even though both have passed probation).IF LAPD had a true lateral program where they respected the training and experience of outside officers,plus some serious incentives,you'd get more officers laterling to LAPD form smaller depts locally.....

It is rare for a LASD dep to lateral to LAPD. Usually a custody Dep who got impatient. I know of two, and both are trying to come back. Know of couple more who went to Newport PD. They both came back also. Very rarely is greener somewhere else.

[DOAcop38]

It is rare for a LASD dep to lateral to LAPD. Usually a custody Dep who got impatient. I know of two, and both are trying to come back. Know of couple more who went to Newport PD. They both came back also. Very rarely is greener somewhere else.

you hit the situation right on the head ! this was POST Satan,eerr "parks" and early "bratton" ( at that time ,LASD had not gotten the last decent raise thats in effect right now) -several DSTs made the jump and now regret it.LAPD is a good dept if you are "Raised" in it or familiar with it- we've had LAXPD and PORTPD cops inter city transfer to them as well as LAPD officers transfer to airports /Ports) BUT if you are from a totally different L.E. agency, you won't like LAPDs style of policing-not as liberal in terms of officers "finding their own work"(often they DON'T have a choice due to sooo many calls for service)

[Garbage Man]

I guess we have an LAPD SGT applying to lateral to us now.. The LAPD lats died off after Bratton but now they have picked up again..I hear they have this policy that if someone complains about you, your career is frozen for 5 years..so guys who are on the list to transfer find themselves stuck in place.

[Kieth M.]

I hear they have this policy that if someone complains about you, your career is frozen for 5 years..so guys who are on the list to transfer find themselves stuck in place.

Traditionally, at LAPD, there is an unofficial five-year freeze in the aftermath of a sustained complaint. Merely being complained against does not cause any long-term problem. I had a sustained, and even though it was a "paper penalty" with no suspension, it kept me from promoting beyond minimum wage sergeant level before I retired.

[LA Copper]

Traditionally, at LAPD, there is an unofficial five-year freeze in the aftermath of a sustained complaint. Merely being complained against does not cause any long-term problem. I had a sustained, and even though it was a "paper penalty" with no suspension, it kept me from promoting beyond minimum wage sergeant level before I retired.


This is true, it has to be a sustained complaint, not a pending complaint. Even then the sustained complaint has to be fairly significant, not something dumb like failing to qualify or a preventable traffic collision (unless of course it's a HUGE collision).

[LA Copper]

No wonder they're paying a bonus. After they announced that they want to have 29 of their own officers imprisoned for doing their jobs against a violent insurrection, they are going to have a hard time finding anyone who wants to work for Bendover Bratton and Vivalaraza.


This is not true. What the department did was complete their investigation into the incident and came up with 29 officers who they think used force that was out of policy. They gave the report to the District Attorney and let him decide what to do with it. The department didn't say anything about wanting to have them prosecuted.

Also, the bonus has been in place long before this incident took place.

[Sgt.Reality]

Notice my sig line

How about people post FACTS around here about LAPD, or post what you HEARD , IE: type you heard it, not that you know it.

Let's get it straight, LAPD has many faults, but to fat mouth a particular agency on every level, especially when the poster does'nt work for a city, rather, an entitity, (that, many times, is a specialized PD IN LA), should be a clue as to a bias/former dispute against said dept.

Do LA specialized PD's have a right to complain about perceived wrongs by LAPD? Sometimes. But to post the negativity day in and out here is a little much without specific incidents.

I would'nt persuade a lateral to LAPD except for two reasons 1.Promotability 2.Specialized assignments.

1.: We are a rank heavy agency, it has it's faults but leadership is a shrinking commoditiy in all large agencies. We have many laterals rise to the top here and for good reason. They are usually go getters who wanted to do more than where they were at.

2.: Specialized agencies: Do the numbers:

Motors: try 250+
Air support: Largest Police fleet in the nation, approx. 15+ airships/7 fixed wing aircraft
Major Crimes SIS: speaks for itself,
And of course:
Metropolitan Division: 275 total 60 SWAT

That's in addition to the fact most agencies only allow officers to be Detectives as a Sergeant or on loan (our spots are permanent rank)

If you want to run a hack for your whole career, go with a small agency, better equipment, station environment.

But for promotion/specialized assignments, we're pretty hard to beat.

And for the LASO/LAPD lateral thing, those on this board with OVER 10 years know it runs on a CYCLE. Both agencies bounce back and forth with pay scales, pension amounts. Both have pros and cons. Very different agencies on some things, similar on others. I can list 10 former LASO guys that would never go back, probably the same for LAPD at LASO.

One worked SEB, came here and worked SWAT, promoted to Sgt, came back to Metro as a Sgt., and now is a Lieutenant, all in 20 years.

What you do with your career/happiness is dependant on what YOU put into it.

[IMachU]

Notice my sig line....SNIP....then cut to -

Let's get it straight, LAPD has many faults, but to fat mouth a particular agency on every level, especially when the poster does'nt work for a city, rather, an entitity, (that, many times, is a specialized PD IN LA), should be a clue as to a bias/former dispute against said dept.

Do LA specialized PD's have a right to complain about perceived wrongs by LAPD? Sometimes. But to post the negativity day in and out here is a little much without specific incidents.

Do you KNOW that every officer working for an LA City specialized department WANTED to work for LAPD and now has a gripe against LAPD? I doubt that. As a matter of fact, I know a few guys/gals personally that refused to go to LAPD and wanted to go to the specialized agency. Then, while working there, got their fill of the Big Blue.

Look, I know you are True Blue. I admire a guy that stands by their department through thick and thin. Keep in mind, though, that just because someone works for an allied City agency (or other specialized agency for that matter), that they are inferior. They also may actually have educated insight into THE LAPD, and give their viewpoints to inquiring minds. I feel sometimes it's an unbiased opinion, and other times it's a little jaded.

Just like when someone who is staunchly in defense of their agency will view things through rose colored glasses.

And posting specific incidents on a publicly-viewable internet forum? Are you NUTZ??? Dude....come on. I'm a sergeant as well. If I see "specific incidents" on the board involving my folks, I have a duty to act. The fewer "specific incidents" I see the better!! Stuff like that is better left to private messages.

[Garbage Man]

Air support: Largest Police fleet in the nation, approx. 15+ airships/7 fixed wing aircraft


Confirm or deny a rumor for me please, I heard this from one of our many LAPD laterals (Almost any of whom you may have back upon request). Of those air ships 5 of them are for the exclusive use of internal affairs...true?

[Sgt.Reality]

First off,

I'd venture most of your laterals from us have less than 5 years, if that's the case, please accept my condolences as I really wonder why any agency takes a guy with 5 or less and has to deal with all the ego a youngster has, let alone any extra b.s. they may think they are something due to LAPD.

I wrote to you on another thread about this. Nail the guys that give your agency any lip or attitude. I don't accept it from laterals here, many agencies actually like our guys for their obs skills. If you have a batch of bad ones, fire the pukes, it's that simple, if you can't, make them better, it's on ALL of us to improve the weak ones.

As for airships, there are certain ones for special flights. They certainly don't use 5/LOL. These are for surveillance, warrant prep., dignatary protection, event planning, and IA. We also work for smaller agencies on contract when asked.

Mach1

Check yourself. I never said anything about specialized wanting to work for a city or vice versa.

Remember RTD? Been there, merged that. Dual Status Sergeant/Detective, Metro, I'm as LAPD as they come and I came from there. That's what's great about message boards, you never know who you're talking to.

I know both sides so you can put the rose colored glasses comments to someone else. I know the shenanigans/laziness some specialized dept.'s cops play and I know the BS of city departments. As far as posting incidents, if you've seen something illegal, then you need to do something about it. Anything less, say it like it is if YOU saw it and let's discuss it.

In other words, I'm FAIR and BALANCED :D

[Garbage Man]

[QUOTE=Sgt.Reality;1101039]First off,

I'd venture most of your laterals from us have less than 5 years, if that's the case, please accept my condolences as I really wonder why any agency takes a guy with 5 or less and has to deal with all the ego a youngster has, let alone any extra b.s. they may think they are something due to LAPD.

I wrote to you on another thread about this. Nail the guys that give your agency any lip or attitude. I don't accept it from laterals here, many agencies actually like our guys for their obs skills. If you have a batch of bad ones, fire the pukes, it's that simple, if you can't, make them better, it's on ALL of us to improve the weak ones.

As for airships, there are certain ones for special flights. They certainly don't use 5/LOL. These are for surveillance, warrant prep., dignatary protection, event planning, and IA. We also work for smaller agencies on contract when asked.

So '"No" is the answer?... I can tell the former metro officer w/ 10 years he is full of it? I am glad to hear it because 5 airships just for IA purposes sounded a little scary, kind of Orwellian actually. Seriously the mere fact that someone is denying it casts enough doubt in my mind so that I shall never repeat it again.

I responded to your dogged LAPD defense on the other thread.

[DOAcop38]

To wade in the water as one of "those specialized agency officers"- Having worked for the city of L.A. as a POLICE OFFICER, I can tell you ,with out any regard that LAPD "poo" does stink- it is this fact that has caused LAPD to step on its own proverbial "pair",Sgt Reality ,all the while both your rank and file and your mgm't has been ARROGANT enough to think you are SUPERIOR to the "other" 60,000 fellow L.E.officers in this state.(your OWN mgm't got on TV to bad mouth the tactics of Inglewood Pd officer Jeremy Morse and even touted the "supeiror training of LAPD academy vs,rio hondo academy-that is ,until the Stanley miller beating on TV) .

Its funny when guys like me attend AOT in places like Orange co (OCSD Academy) and when asked to introduce where I'm from, conversation ALWAYS turns to what a bunch of "F'ups the LAPD" they(-the local agencies- )have run into; its either from guys trying to lateral and being obnoxious in dept interviews( and we are NOT only talking 2-5 yr pootbutt rookies) to how unprofessional or disrespectful LAPD personnel have been in off duty contacts with local depts.then the conversation turns to "how do you feel about LAPD?"- honestly ,as a FELLOW city employee, I defend those who deserve it and berate those who deserve it. My Dept -airport PD, has been the butt of jokes and derision by your vaunted Dept for YRS- despite that , we have tried to have a pleasant and amicable work environment with LAPD personnel. LAPD-"you guys are inferior" truth ? most Airport PD personnel have MORE CA. POST hours in training than their comparable LAPD counterparts for time on the job .LAPD-"You guys have inferior background checks"! Truth ? airports ACTUALLY had polygraph exams BEFORE LAPD and has HAD THE SAME Background checks as LAPD for more than 20 yrs!.when I hired on ,it was my LAPD background check ,which was done FASTER than the Airport PD backgrounds that allowed me to get the job as an airport Pd recruit! even nearly 20 yrs ago, i attended,like alot of airport PD recruits ,LAPDs academy - in 2 classes in a row ,airport PD recruits took the TOP Recruit award,and that cherished .38 cal snubby that LAPRAAC would award the academies ' top recruit! LAXPD was POST compliant when requested and LAPDs entire training format went from "P.O"s ( POST objectives- meaning LAPDs "way" of presenting CA. POST standard training) to LDs (Full POST complaint Learning Domains to keep LAPD in line with what everyone else in the state was required to learn); as bogged down as the politics of LAPD is- it is also sometimes a hinderance for the specialized units that also serve the city of L.A. Your own mgm't was leery of changing from the puny 115 gr JHP rd in the city Berettas to MORe potent 147 Gr JHP rds, UNTIL the PORT and Airport PD got the city atty to sign off on them. You couldn't even get the GLOCK until Bratton" noticed" that the GLOCK was being issued to Airport Cops; and as far as "knowing LAPD" and what goes on? 90% of airports Policy/procedure has to match LAPDs-ditto Port PDs-UCR goes across the board from us to LAPD and feeds the overall city stats- mgm't (Sgt,LTs,FTOs Dets) have to be LAPD trained ,and on almost every area call we work with or LAPD works with us,so the interaction is a daily thing.

I think you've read far too much into the "negativity" thing; I don't know of anyone who WANTED or couldn't get into LAPD that works with me(those that wanted to go LAPD simply "108'd" over and never had a problem getting on the job.ditto those who either CAME OVER from LAPD or bounced back and forth)You can't get the job where i work IF you don't qualify to also be LAPD(alot of our recruits are "aggressively" pushed to change their minds and go LAPD instead of PORT or LAXPD)- its still a city job and a city badge,although in some parts of LAPD, officers work load is greater.what alot of the "outsiders" you see here are talking about is the stupidity of what they see LAPD personnel have go thru just to get their jobs done- true we don't have to go thru it in some cases,but as you also know from local history "what effects LAPD,will eventually effect us all".Sooner or later,some bean counter will see what you guys go thru and think ,"hhmmmm- my depts officers should be treated that way too"(we had an IAD Lt who thought that Airports PD should also be under "consent decree" and damn near went to city council to get us included;even the fledgling Gen.Services PD,which is seperate from LAPD,has to fall under the authority of the Police commision). No,Sgt -we don't hate LAPD-alot of us admire your guys for their courage and the ability to work in a sometimes inpossible environment.but when it comes to a point when you CAN'T accept the critiques of your "peers" then you are in the wrong business...

[IMachU]

Well said, DOA!! But if you and I say things like this, we're not REAL cops so he'll tell you to "check yourself." But if another, 830.1 agency officer (think-GM) says this, he'll debate it. He's a lifer there. Let him stew in that.

[DOAcop38]

First off,

I'd venture most of your laterals from us have less than 5 years, if that's the case, please accept my condolences as I really wonder why any agency takes a guy with 5 or less and has to deal with all the ego a youngster has, let alone any extra b.s. they may think they are something due to LAPD.


Sadly its the immaturity not sponsored by "being LAPD",but of this generation.
We -at my city dept- experience people whom fought thru all that B.I. checks,testing,LAPD academy ,only to BARELY pass probation and start talking crap about "no action or movement"( often these same folks have only 1 or 2 yrs on) then they see the ads of "smiling ,shiny officers" with nice shiny cars and what appears to be MORE $$,with X,Y,Z, dept and off they go( only to cry foul there and want to come back home).Alot of agencies need people,especially people with some experience and the slower depts often THINK that an officer from a big and potent PD Like LAPD must have "experience"( I recently worked with an LAPD transfer with 7 yrs on the job-that didn't believe me when i directed him to book a suspect for kidnap for robbery-same officer was trying to get by with just booking the suspect on a traffic warrant).from some depts stand points-an officer who worked a LAPD div-most having at least 200k citizens in them for 2 yrs can easily handle a 5-10 sq mile city of 50-100K citizens;that and the fact that its easier to get a 2-5 yr experienced officer to patrol than a recent academy grad or put thru an applicant from start to FTO program.

what the city and LAPD mgm't refuses to understand is this- you are right when you say that LAPD has alot of opportunity for someone to lateral over ,bu the problem is that "insulting" 1/2 time experience recognition and the lower retirement (LAPD just can't beat 3%@50/55)- would you leave LAPD to another agency if they told you your ,say 20 yrs at LAPD(and all the training , all the arrests,invs, pursuits,etc) is only equivalent to 10 yrs experience at the slower "buttslap PD"?????? Even LASD ,OCSD, and other local larger Depts take people as laterals on a yr for yr basis.......

[Sgt.Reality]

Mach1 , again

You post that I think every specialized guy wanted to be LAPD. I have 5 Code 7's at Taylor's that I NEVER posted that.

Of course folks wanted to work specialized units from the start. Not all, you have to admit (DOA, at least as well as anyone from LAUSD), that some were FIRED from LAPD and other cities. THAT is a FACT.

Now, Garbage man,
whew, where do you get the "defending LAPD"? Let's get it straight here, NO one is posting here from LAPD, just a bunch of anti LAPD (some warranted, some not) The mere fact an LAPD person posts some rebuttals does'nt make it purely all "defend at all costs" I hope you don't use that short sighted mentality in trying to make probable cause, that would'nt result in a lot of rejected cases.

Here's some more "REALITY"

As stated, former RTD, Worked LAX on O/T for last 5 YEARS, only missed 5 months. Also dealt with School PD in patrol, as a Detective, and as a Sergeant.

Now, that should let DOA know EXACTLY who I am.

I already worked my 2 this DP DOA, I'll post when I'm there next. I can talk about your agency too, both from the shifts and from experiences on observing your SRT in training sessions.

So, I'll post when time permits, I'm not going away. I have a much wider view of specialized/ city poilcing, I'm sure we all have lots to talk about.

And Garbage Man, don't over think yourself with any "Media Issues" It's the Internet, not a federal court/lol. RELAAAAXXX. That excuse is MUTE.

[IMachU]

You can't even get my screen name right...what makes me think you really give a crap about anything NOT LAPD?

[Sgt.Reality]

Sorry, seriously,

You posted you're a mustang fan in another thread, I thought it was a freindly post.

IMACHU from now on. What's with the crap and such. I'm not going to go into name callling.

Was thinking we can meet up soon on duty, I have city wide coverage, more than happy to meet over a cup with a fellow Sgt.

[IMachU]

Maybe if we did meet up, we'd get along a little better. At least I hope so. I'm ALWAYS up for a meet. I like coffee.

[DOAcop38]

Mach1 , again

Of course folks wanted to work specialized units from the start. Not all, you have to admit (DOA, at least as well as anyone from LAUSD), that some were FIRED from LAPD and other cities. THAT is a FACT.


..Actually -"no", only 2 people in 20 yrs fired from LAPD came over to LAX;they were probationers and had to start the process over (both are Sgts -LOLOLOLOL!!)One of my former trainees, who TANKED on probation here cause he couldn't catch "on"( according to other FTOs) resigned in lieu of -at the direction of me and his Bro-a torrance ,CAPD officer,he applied later for LAPD and PASSEd probation at 77th div- it happens all over


As stated, former RTD, Worked LAX on O/T for last 5 YEARS, only missed 5 months. Also dealt with School PD in patrol, as a Detective, and as a Sergeant.
Now, that should let DOA know EXACTLY who I am.

Sounding kinda' "Brown"-hmmmm???? :D


I already worked my 2 this DP DOA, I'll post when I'm there next. I can talk about your agency too, both from the shifts and from experiences on observing your SRT in training sessions.

you and I both CAN TALK about "SRT"-LOLOLOLOLOL!!! Talking about young ,dumb ,and -"a-scared" of patrolling the "Hardcore streets of Westchester,CA:rolleyes:-hence "cooler to run around in blu ninja gear; however,they PASSED both beg, and adv SEB (LASD SWAT schools),and for some reason they have been given some check off by LAPD as being "capable"- remember they are a relatively "young" unit as far as their expertise goes(functional only about 6 yrs)-they've been getting out to "play" alot more under the Butts regime ( a few warrant jobs, the recent GPD officer shooting) time ,like everything will tell.....but in all honesty,i hope that neither LAPD SWAT, Airports SRT,BICE HRT, FBI HRT,LASD SEB NEVER have to be deployed in full at LAX-that day will be another "columbine day"


So, I'll post when time permits, I'm not going away. I have a much wider view of specialized/ city poilcing, I'm sure we all have lots to talk about.
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And "IF" I know you ,then i also respect your opinion as well as KNOW that you KNOW what the potential and capabilities of "specialized PDs" are also.Like every Dept they have blocks and squared away folks- all depends on what "cheese" mgm't is putting out. People get all gut busted about LAPD 'cause-sadly , they just won't lay back out of the spotlight.unlike LASD-LAPD doesn't see other depts as "fellow L.E."-just plain "others" Instead of just plain smiling and going along, LAPd has a habit of slamming people ,often without giving the full story.when I went thru 1880 n.academy drive,i was actually told by staff- and not jokingly,that i'd have to drive citizens around on "pushman carts and deliever luggage"( thats what they heard) even one D.I. commented to me and 4 other airport recruits that we would be little more than "misd. cops in a felony world"-so much for teamwork and interdept bortherhood.

even in 2005 Bratton was telling people all kind of B.S. about us-one citizen even came to our station with a news clipping to file a complaint against an officer on a T/Stop-why? Bratton said in the local news that "airport PD had no authority to conduct traffic stops and issue tickets"- when Measure "A" FAILEd by 2/3 vote , Bratton back peddled on his Airport PD sucks-LAPD ONLY at LAx rhetoric( read the old blog on the LAPDweblog from bratton "just the facts") That of course didn't stop your guys from doing everything possible to stop AB 1882,even though it wouldn't effect your pay or #s at LAx or city wide.the animousity sometimes isn't in - LAPD sucks but "why does LAPD think its better than everyone else"? From prior experience you also KNOW that alot of LAPD interference inhibits alot of decent police work that other depts could do,even within their own areas of responsibility-often causing MORE work for an already overworked LAPD;the line and rank personnel don't ( or won't) see the politicking,and often think that anyone else- from neighboring suburban PDs to city affiliated specialized Pds - are "just lazy" (just re -read the MOA with LAPD and L.A. Gen Servs PD- if the MOA were followed to the letter nothing would get done by GSDPD on patrol and LAPD could Never get to half of the things they "promise" to do; one LAPD P-III I know who works OT out here from SoW,also a former LAXPD officer, put it this way "thats just too bad, there will be more crime tomorrow").LAPD isn't the worst when it comes to corruption, or incompetence or brutality(I've seen officers at LAX,at Inglewood and locally ,at el Segundo Pds get away with stuff that would have put Koon and powell in prison for the rest of their lives if they had done the same at LAPD),its the problem that they won't say-like the LASD does to get out of trouble,"yeah we screwed up,we're sorry, never again".....

[Bully]

Why would anybody leave a 3@50 PERS agency with years of experience for the "City" retirement and only 1/2 the credit. The only good thing I've heard about the city retirement is the DROP program.

[DOAcop38]

Why would anybody leave a 3@50 PERS agency with years of experience for the "City" retirement and only 1/2 the credit. The only good thing I've heard about the city retirement is the DROP program.

funny- can't get guys to "understand this";A fellow officer ,who is on our motors unit, just went to a retirement advisory seminar put on by the city- they addressed the PERS vs LACERS system and how city employees could "better" their retirement option.also included was the FACT that LAPD is also looking at shifting future retirements into LACERS as the "civie " program is stronger and BETTER funded than current L.A. Police and fire,plus its -sadly"cheaper"-the tier3 retirement officers from LAPD don't get it as well as the Tier 5,but they have faster access to their retirements(LAPD tier 5 has a 20 yr vesting).Then when we get back on the issue of a signing bonus- almost every dept,even smaller ones like Arcadia PD-which doesn't even pay as well as LAPD,offers a $5K to 10K signing bonus,plus POST bonuses that are higher than LAPDs and 3%@50/55 . right now -the smaller LA city PDs like airports,Ports and GSD are going to go to signing bonuses,,,

I "think" the city would do better by taking the $$$ and putting it into a savings acct for every officer coming on-and locking into their retirement

[Garbage Man]

Now, Garbage man,
whew, where do you get the "defending LAPD"? Let's get it straight here, NO one is posting here from LAPD, just a bunch of anti LAPD (some warranted, some not) The mere fact an LAPD person posts some rebuttals does'nt make it purely all "defend at all costs" I hope you don't use that short sighted mentality in trying to make probable cause, that would'nt result in a lot of rejected cases.

I hope you can write a police report that articulates your point better than that. In fact from that paragraph I now know that you cant do policework at all...sound silly? Well yes it does...if you cant refute what is being said then stop trying. I am not going to forget my points just because you make up some rule about my not giving my agency or because you claim to have seen something in my posts that "Might" (Oh arent we just so tricky with our noncommital passive aggresive insults) prove I shouldnt be cop.

[Sgt.Reality]

Passive aggressive?

uh, okay.

Garden Grove is'nt that bad a place, I've met some great guys from there. Either way, I know the majority of them are'nt laterals and would'nt put up with what your complaining about as to laterals.

In other words, deal with the short sighted laterals, and how about post what your dept. does that's right instead of throwing out insults about mine.

I live about 12 miles from your dept. Feel free to PM for a meet sometime, I'm sure we can resolve a lot in person.

Been here 10 years, did 6.5 with RTD, FTO, Det., Metro, Sgt. Not too much to hide behind. I'll gladly PM my name, that's a little different from posting a dept., don't you think?

[Sgt.Reality]

I don't have the time to post like you, 12 hour shifts, working out, morning watch, takes up a lot of time.

I"ll post rebuttals as time permits, don't worry, just be patient. :D

[Garbage Man]

Oh Ill be waiting with rapt anticipation.

If you need more time just do what I do and stop working out :D

And yes...passive aggressive ...look it up.

[Sgt.Reality]

Don't confuse determination and confidence with blind, unabashed, untested anger, hatred:D

[DOAcop38]

popcorn......

plus BEER- let the battle begin ! While i love my LAPD counterparts ( sometimes), the smart money is on "Senior Gar -Bahhhhge "( OC Coppers STILL get to hit people with their Fists and they don't have to call them "distraction blows" to avoid getting terminated):D


SGT Reality? you want to see the "arrogance" that GM was talking about in terms of SOME LAPD laterals who head "south" ( or elsewhere)? merely check the GGPD website- they have a joker ,who at one time did the "cute puppy look" when he was BEGGING for that Badge with L.A.city hall on it ,talk some crap about WHY his lateralling to GGPD was so much better.I've even met a few that "passed thru" LAX from LAPD to go ( goodness knows where) they sh*t talk about LAPD harder than any of us can - or would even dare, then when they run into former LAPD or current LAPD, they "hey buddy" and start bad mouthing their new dept ! In all fairness , you are welcomed aboard the BOARD,and I expect that you can be called upon , like the Great Keith M or the newbie Berlioz ,to give some insider dish on "good goings on" with LAPD,as well s dispell some myths( even while working for the city,i too had heard that IAD had a city chopper avail to them 24/7)

BTW SGT- what ever came of that "professional standards" (IAD) surveillance that turned into an OIS in 77th Div ????The one where IA was trying to catch officers stealing money from local drug dealers,and while not catching any dirty officers,spooked the dealers into thinking that they( the undercover IA) were a possible "rip off crew" .I heard that NONE of the dealers were charged as they thought that they were "defending themselves" from armed robbery,but what of the units involved in the shooting?.....

[Sgt.Reality]

No "internet fighting" here as I was thought to be starting last night/lol.


Holy cow, I need a ticket counter for all the haters to line up, actually just 3 here.

It's cool, I just want to get it to a professional/factual level and I think it can go that way......well, maybe...:D

[Sgt.Reality]

I"ll check the GG site when I get time. That's ashame.


As for bickering on departments. WHAT ARE THE MAJORITY OF COPS BEST AT????

MOANING/COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT'S WRONG, THEY LIVE FOR IT. THE HARDER/RIGHT PART IS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

That's what most guys enjoy about working METRO, you get tasked to FIX the PROBLEM, it's that mentality that gets things done. THERE IS a POINT TO IDENTIFY A PROBLEM, BUT THE NEXT QUESTION/ISSUE FOR ALL OF US:

WHAT ARE WE (ALL OF US) DOING TO FIX THE PROBLEMS/ FAT MOUTHING.

I DON'T BELIEVE HALF OF THE FAT MOUTHING MY PEERS SPEW AS IT HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN PROVEN WRONG, BOTH LA AND AT RTD. IT'S A COP THING WE ALL DO AS A BAD HABIT. WE SHOULD BE HELPING EACH OTHER RATHER THAN JUST THROWING OUT NEGATIVE STUFF WITHOUT FACTS OR WORSE,NOT EVEN WORKING IN THE SAID DEPT.

As for the PSB OIS, unknown if suspects were charged, I was unaware any were found. Hard to beileve as the IA (PSB) officers ran away, contrary to their own policy. Very contentious issue with us street guys. That's a long story in and of itself.

Bottom line, all our departments have problems. I'll talk about the facts on the ones I know of, no worries on my part.

[DOAcop38]

.. AND thats why you are a Sgt ( somebody need to baby sit) !!!!!!!!!! now honestly , what do you THINK could be better done with the $10K signing bonus? I think it would be better served in 1) paying for an AS/AA degree for new and on the job Officers ,or paying off the last yr or 2 of 4 yr college students-in exchange for working LAPD for X number of yrs

2) Improving health /mental services for Officers (stress relaxation camps /retreats,better exercise equip, rehab for the injured)

[Sgt.Reality]

Update DOA,

Since 06, LAPD instructs it's officers to call a punch, kick what it is, not a strike.

I'm also an adjunct Arrest and Control Instructor. If you were trained by us on the old M26's back in 02, I might of trained you. I know we trained some DOA guys.

Now,

What's this about one of our guys getting in trouble on the SC detail for requesting the "LaLa" police over the radio. Surely that was a slip of the tongue. I hear he got a 6 month suspension from working the detail and a DOA officer filed a 1.28 against him, is that true?

I remember when you guys were up in arms when we requested a "DOA" officers over the radio for a call in 02, yet you post your name as DOA. What's the problem then? Then your dept. did'nt want us calling you Airport police, now that's okay. Always something about what your "correct" term is. I just say LAWA, never knew there was so much drama over a name on a radio, sheesh.

[Sgt.Reality]

Signing bonus was the FIRST TIME I agreed with the LA TIMES editors that it was not good.

The 1 million was given by Mercury Insurance. Now there is no way it's corrupt, illegal but I'm leary of co.'s giving PD's money, outside of Baker to Vegas equipment, or police related equipment like in car cameras, fast plate readers, etc.

The idea was to put some sugar out to get more cops. Yes, helping officers already on the job would have been better, but when you realize it was a gift from a co. to help recruitment, you know cops did'nt have much say in how it was spent.

[DOAcop38]

No "internet fighting" here as I was thought to be starting last night/lol.


Holy cow, I need a ticket counter for all the haters to line up, actually just 3 here.

It's cool, I just want to get it to a professional/factual level and I think it can go that way......well, maybe...:D

No Haters here ,Sarge - thats just "family" love :D( 'member that scene in "training day" about "Homey love "???? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!) Man,you should have seen the "LOVE" I got when I first posted here on O.Com ( are you even a "real " police officer??? don't you have to turn your gun in after work???? my "friend" from LAPD sez you guys can't legally pursue someone on the streets!) Yup, you're just getting the family WELCOME;)

[DOAcop38]

Update DOA,

Since 06, LAPD instructs it's officers to call a punch, kick what it is, not a strike.

I'm also an adjunct Arrest and Control Instructor. If you were trained by us on the old M26's back in 02, I might of trained you. I know we trained some DOA guys.

I know- just pulling your leg !!!!



Now,

What's this about one of our guys getting in trouble on the SC detail for requesting the "LaLa" police over the radio. Surely that was a slip of the tongue. I hear he got a 6 month suspension from working the detail and a DOA officer filed a 1.28 against him, is that true?

True- the guy did it "on purpose"- just joking,not that malicious,and once upon a time you could get away with that kinda' stuff- but just like the "new" LAPD,there's new LAXPD,errr "Security"-they are legends in their own minds and can't be told they aren't anything "but" the professionals they are -WITHOUT proving themselves or earning it.In olden days LAPD and Airport cops would either "agree to meet" at Westchester Pk or the substation pakg lot if it were that bad,or go out to dockweiller and drink themselves stupid in "gooder" times.today you can't play with this generation-( I was recently counseled by some soft touch pootbutt sgt about talking about the stature of a 5 ft officer; she understood when I warned her about trying to tough it up with bigger suspects,but the Sgt saw it as harrassment:rolleyes:)




I remember when you guys were up in arms when we requested a "DOA" officers over the radio for a call in 02, yet you post your name as DOA. What's the problem then? Then your dept. did'nt want us calling you Airport police, now that's okay. Always something about what your "correct" term is. I just say LAWA, never knew there was so much drama over a name on a radio, sheesh.

Thats cause I am "DOA"- Dept of Airports PD (the title when i hired on)-city of L.A..LAPD Manual officially "recognizes " us as Los Angeles Dept of Airports Police bureau-LADAPB,the city Council ,as L.A airport Police div (hhmmmm? division? you know where they were going at one time with that) and our own mgm't -who don't know the difference between armed guards and cops ,as LAWAPD-L.A. world airports Police dept-a "div" of L.A. World airports. Frankly I make $84K a yr and sit bored most of the time- you could call me "sally" and demand that I wear a dress for what its worth,I'm still going to do whats in the BESt interests of the citizens of Los angeles, the Dept of airports,its patrons and customers, and the general public at large as a uniformed Police officer of the city.anything greater than my training ,ability,or resources,I will call upon LAPD to assist ,advise or handle- or so the manual told me when I came to the dept nearly 20 yrs ago......

NOW the "history" lesson( take a deep breath and relax)....

Originally it was an "issue" supposedly with a commander that we NOT be called "police" on the radio as LAPD is the "only police" in the city ( a guy named Moen was supposed to have said that).also the issue of the podiums was schizophrenic; when we first had to handle it again- after leaving that duty in 1984, crime went up in and around LAX and the substation was swamped with calls for service- not good when all you have is about 30-40 LAPD on a 24 hr rotation= about 4-6 officers a watch to augment footbeats ,area westchester and century corridor calls-the answer? bring in MORE LAPD!! Our guys hated the podiums anyway- sitting there for 12 hrs a day,barely getting relief,stupid conflicting orders about responding to calls,/not responding to calls.what was supposed to be temporary turned into a nightmare- LAPD guys were originally FIGHTING each other to get spots( man,did I have academy classmates calling up after yrs to get "the inside" on working out here for cash).

Ot was plentiful all around for everybody-LAx cop,LAPD div.coppers) but then came councilmen Jack "***" Weiss- rumor again was that a young relative of his got popped by some "arrogant" airport cop ( guard) for narco, and suddenly airport cops MAKE too Much money (They were working the Sh*t out of us back from 2001 to 2004 and for nearly 4 yrs I was making min $120-130K on a $74K salary-most officers got greedy and were making MORE) Of course then Weiss decided we weren't as qualified as LAPD nor as SMART or well trained( all that without ever having reviewed our training or seen our officers working).every daily "mistake" an airport cop made,got blown out of porportion( you're LAPD you KNOW the feeling)- an Officer raced across the active runways to back an officer requesting HELP-Weiss' answer- "that officer could have crashed into a plane and killed hundreds"( no mention of the fact that we are Trained to drive on the airfield and have radio contact with the air tower and Acft) Airport SRT(SWAT) units juimp into what they thought was the end of a pursuit to back Inglewood and LAPD of armed 459 suspects and T/C when an illegal alien/unlic'd driver cuts them off ? weiss' answer- they have NO authority or right to be OFF airport property and left the airport "unguarded in case of a hijacking"(never mind that city has delineated our area of patrol as the 10.5 sq miles of Weschester /playa del rey as well as one mile diameter around airports such a Van Nuys,Ontario and Palmdale) Officers bored and low call load,so they sneek a few burgers late at nite? cops do it everywhere ,but NOT Airport cops-according "I know all things police work" Weiss- they are out of control,lazy,and LAPD is the ONLY people who can clean up the "airport security mess".add to that our unfortunate habit of making nearly Dbl our salaries for almost 10 yrs in a row( "97- 2004) and we are bunch of overpaid,dumb guards according to jAck weiSS (* never mind that any LAPD officer working at LAX during that time ,whether on footbeats or podium detail was making $30-40K/yr extra also!!).

All that sh*t talking,including "boston Bills" assertion that the city and State would not "blame him when the smoke rises over LAX and his great LAPD wasn't in charge of policing the airport" when Officer Tommy Scott got Murdered by a nutcase LAPD Pac div officers let go less than 2 day earlier becuse booking him on a coupla' thousand dollars warrant " was B.S"(EOW 4/29/05) Bratton STILL pushed LAPD superiority but City residents voted by 2/3s to keep the "nicer" police dept in l.A. afloat- the shooting of 13 yr old devin brown still fresh in many folks memories(2/05); I was in tears that day at the wake and had to sit only two table away from that bastard wiess( he will never KNOW how close he came to a beating)-but one thing was evident - the rank and file turned out for old tommy's funeral and alot showed their respect for us.Of course alot of mutual love was lost when LAPPL goaded officers into joining LAPD brass and stopping AB1882- a spiteful job down by Bratton for airport Pd not cowing down to his shoddy take over attempt(he later proclaimed a "great compromise" as LAPD would recognize LAXPD as the primary LE unit at LAX and that LAPD would work to support us in a new MOA-but forgot that it was more important for us to have the better penal code status to secure BETTER benefits for our officers from the state and city.Part of that compromise was making polygraphs mandatory for LAXPD like LAPD when hiring new recruits-that and exclusive LAPD academy training with LAPD personnel-back to the future? like when I came on)

Long winded i know ,but now you kinda' get the picture of my "view" on LAPD.LAXPD used to be the whipping boy for LAPD West bureau ("D"ummies "O"n the "A"irport as they would once call us)LAPD sgts would once rip up our rpts and red line them like we were rookies,but with pay at $58k to $84K/yr,( compared to LAPDs $55K to $89K),BETTER TRAINING, and a lighter work load,I have no complaint.as far as the future? we'll see when the FIRST LAPD officer files a grievance about THE podium detail as a "liberty issue" when LAX personnel start to replace them full time-I kinda' find it sad as it was a way for LAPD officers to chill and make some $$ while allowing airport cops -in theory- to do "police work".what i fear is that we will get a bunch of people who will go thru the motions just to get a sit on their butts job and become guards instead of cops.........

[southstacowboy]

I think IMachU and SgtReality should kiss and make up...whats the saying SgtReality, that your department made so famous?..."CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?"....LOL

[Garbage Man]

Man how are we gonna agree on issues if we cant even agree on which thread to post this stuff on? I'll be the bigger man SGt REALITY just pick one, any one..I really dont have the time to search all the different thread. Id rather use my meager allotment of time typing reposnses.

[DOAcop38]

Back on the subject- right now every police agency is facing the SAME thing- need to grow ( with community) and loss of man power( retirements, illnesses, transfers,terminations,etc)-what beats LAPD up on the issue is that almost every PD in L.A. County is hiring including the "other" #1 agency in L.A. county(LASD)- legit applicants are basically in what we'd call a "buyers' market"-thats a far cry from the bone dry pickin's I faced back in the late '80s trying to get on the job! A partner and I just watched METRO Div run some of the new LAPD recruits(no Airports,GSDPD,Port cops in this class!) thru their mobile field force training ,and the class size had to be a good 50+; now imagine how many applicants ,including those who TURNED down the job for another L.E. agency, LAPD had to go thru just to get them ???!!! the generation X and Y crowd don't like to be told to wait for a job- if they FEEL they qualify,they want it now,not 6 mos or a yr from now- you need only look at other posts from other states on O.com and you see the main qquestion applicants are demanding to know-"when will I be hired"??? Truth be told ,I don't think LAPD is really that desperate for manpower as they have always been able to make up their losses,and have only slowed the hiring when the city budget has gotten tight.couple that with a generation of folks who "work to live",instead of living to work,and you have a situation that no matter how good you tout your Dept as, the modern applicant will pick it apart when he downloads your ads and compares them to the ads of the next guy.


I've got ideas on how to fix the city recruiting issue,but since I'm a "nobody" in terms of being a city employee and not an LAPD officer, my "opinions" mean nothing.........

[Sgt.Reality]

Good points DOA/

GM, ever heard of divide and conquer, gotta keep you turning so you can keep up on your toes.

I"m out of time. I'll get back Tues. to discuss some other opinions to subjects raised.

See you all then.

[IMachU]

Wel, it will be pleasant until Tuesday.