Operation Zero Tolerance........

[2411Show]

It's painfully obvious Rochester (not the only city) has a HUGE problem and needs to be fixed quickly...........can RPD do a quick fix (I doubt it).... can it be done with the RIGHT management (probably)??

When you hear the words Operation Zero Tolerance - what does that mean to you? What is your opinion how this can be fixed (the right way) and how long will it take to complete it??

[tactical208]

Do I get to answer ?

[2411Show]

Go for it Tactical208 - lets hear it...........everyone stand back!

[hxd]

Do I get to answer ?

Please do. And don't hold back. :)

I've already made my feelings pretty clear on the other couple threads.

[mooseman]

Well, we should get a response from Tactical tomorrow. That's about how long it's going to take him to finish his repsonse! :D

[tactical208]

Can this be fixed quickly...NO ! it didn't happen overnight it won't be fixed overnight.

Is it an attainable goal...absolutely

What ZERO TOLERANCE mean, exactly that, a complete city wide crack down on everything from drugs, to parking complaints.

Most of the problems in neighborhoods are "quality of life" issues. If we addressed those effectively and consistently, Rochester would be a better place.

I wastalking to another retired officer who's son is on the job, his son is getting "UNLIMITED" overtime right now. That's not the answer, it's nice for the comp banks, but that's about it.


Until the Mayor and the police administration realize that the problem on the streets has a direct relationship to the way the police department is being run then nothing will be solved and all ground gained will be lost and the millions spent on ZERO TOLERANCE will be wasted.

How do we solve this problem, well we start at the top and work our way down. Take a look at where officers are assigned and why, if they aren't needed there, then out to the street they go. The department is top heavy with administrators, cut them in half, make them work for a living, they have the cushy office, make em work for it.

IA and officer relations need to improve, get rid of satellite issues, if you can't prove it, then it gets tossed out and it can't be used against you later.

Better selection process for promotions, some people are good test takers, others are not, some are good at oral interviews, others are not, some are street smart, but most are not.

write violators, parking tickets, code enforcement, be proactive, make arrests and dig for more.

Get community groups more involved in street patrols, if you make them feel wanted they will be your eyes and ears and you will solve more crime. Have an officer or two walk with them like they use to do. Go door to door, business to business and introduce yourself and let them know that you are there for them when they need you and mean what you say.

Start a gang unit, don't be embarassed about it, do something about it.

have response units, 2 officer to a car so that they can get to a call and quell a situation quicker, then have a report car come to take the report to free up the response unit to go to another call.

beef up the tactical unit, get them to sweep corners, get out and make a mass presence in an area, do more robbery details, and decoy type work.

break the narcotics unit up into 3 areas, special investigations (long term) neighborhood task force and then street buy unit. You can get a ton of intel from working at the street level.

I leave it at that for now, I don't want mooseman to be overwhelmed LOL !!!!

[mooseman]

There has to be more!!!! LOL

[tactical208]

Oh there's more, I just didn't want you to think you were reading a book

I'm the type of guy that says what he means and means what he says. If I say your under arrest...YOUR GOING, the easy way or the hard way. If you need a boot in your *** and a punch to skull, your going to get it. I'm a no nonsense person, I don't have time for dramatics and whining.

-Fire Duffy

-right new legislation that officers will vote for canidates for chief and the Mayor has NO input

-get better policies and procedures in place

-mobilize the mobile field force and hit the corners

-start foot patrols in high crime areas

-video surveillances of high crime areas with vehicle larcenies

-setup reverse stings for stolen property

-setup reverse stings for drug buyers

-Fire Duffy

-more unmarked patrol units in patrol sections

-warrants detail

-get k9 units on the corners....very intimidating and they don't like dogs to begin with

-put the command post vehicle on Conkey Ave for a week and watch the drug trade dwindle, then move it to a new location. You can process arrests right out of there.

-go back to patrol sections like goodman,clinton, lake,maple, genesse, highland. Make clinton into 2 sections and saturate it with officers.

-did I say fire Duffy.

Ok let's start with that.

[2411Show]

WOW - Tactical208 your taking it to them morons that run the RPD - I know you have MORE to say...............the floor is yours!

[tactical208]

I just got off the phone wth a friend of mine who manages some apartments on the east side of the city. A tenant called him and said she hears banging on the near hers. He goes over there and this male black is trying to kick in the door. He calls 911 and the m/b gets into a car. He takes a cellphone photo of it, the police show up while the suspect is there. They never even took this guy out of the car, they let him go with no charges. There were boot marks all over the door. Now you would think they would look at this clowns boots and then lock him up...Nope !!!! just a report. Now that is lazy police work, but hat's what we've come to expect because they don't want to do the job any more. SAD !!!

FIRE DUFFY

[2411Show]

That is awful..............happy that I don't live in Rochester!!

Tactical208 keep the opinions coming and others I am sure you have your thoughts...............

[2411Show]

Tactical208 must be napping...I am sure he is not done...or are you?

[tactical208]

Time to get a checks and balance system going for RPD and they need a chief and Mayor that they have confidence in and can at least trust. It's time for separation of powers and let the rank and file determine who will be chief. That way they can only blame themselves if they are miserable, but a least they could get somebody in the chiefs office that they like and is fair.

-more traffic check points around the city, put officers in between the check points on foot to catch the runners and the one's who try to avoid the area. Show up with plenty of tickets and tow trucks and get some of the garbage vehicles off the road

nap time LOL !!

[mark7777]

some great points. yes the east side westside thing needs to end. Bring back the section offices maybe not all 7 of them but 5 at least.

[2411Show]

Sorry to ask this BUT - what is traffic check points?? Avoiding the area?

[mooseman]

When police departments setup road blocks to check for registration/inspections and/or seat belt violators.

Avoiding the area means......when approaching the road block, someone tries to turn around to avoid it. Which, mostly likly means they are trying to hide something.

[2411Show]

Mooseman - thank you for the explanation.................I can see where any officer would be suspicious of a person driving away from a checkpoint........but sometimes there are good reasons people don't want to wait...........

Tactical208 must be in hibernation..................

[2411Show]

RPD Investigates First 2008 Murder
Rochester police continue to investigate the city's first 2008 homicide. It happened on the city's northeast early Saturday morning.

RPD has unsolved murders for years and they won't get this one either......................Tactical208 where have you gone........:)

[rubyrose]

Bumping up this thread.

Why?

Because I can.

I especially like the bolded part below:

Can this be fixed quickly...NO ! it didn't happen overnight it won't be fixed overnight.

Is it an attainable goal...absolutely

What ZERO TOLERANCE mean, exactly that, a complete city wide crack down on everything from drugs, to parking complaints.

Most of the problems in neighborhoods are "quality of life" issues. If we addressed those effectively and consistently, Rochester would be a better place.

I wastalking to another retired officer who's son is on the job, his son is getting "UNLIMITED" overtime right now. That's not the answer, it's nice for the comp banks, but that's about it.


Until the Mayor and the police administration realize that the problem on the streets has a direct relationship to the way the police department is being run then nothing will be solved and all ground gained will be lost and the millions spent on ZERO TOLERANCE will be wasted.

How do we solve this problem, well we start at the top and work our way down. Take a look at where officers are assigned and why, if they aren't needed there, then out to the street they go. The department is top heavy with administrators, cut them in half, make them work for a living, they have the cushy office, make em work for it.

IA and officer relations need to improve, get rid of satellite issues, if you can't prove it, then it gets tossed out and it can't be used against you later.

Better selection process for promotions, some people are good test takers, others are not, some are good at oral interviews, others are not, some are street smart, but most are not.

write violators, parking tickets, code enforcement, be proactive, make arrests and dig for more.

Get community groups more involved in street patrols, if you make them feel wanted they will be your eyes and ears and you will solve more crime. Have an officer or two walk with them like they use to do. Go door to door, business to business and introduce yourself and let them know that you are there for them when they need you and mean what you say.

Start a gang unit, don't be embarassed about it, do something about it.

have response units, 2 officer to a car so that they can get to a call and quell a situation quicker, then have a report car come to take the report to free up the response unit to go to another call.

beef up the tactical unit, get them to sweep corners, get out and make a mass presence in an area, do more robbery details, and decoy type work.

break the narcotics unit up into 3 areas, special investigations (long term) neighborhood task force and then street buy unit. You can get a ton of intel from working at the street level.

I leave it at that for now, I don't want mooseman to be overwhelmed LOL !!!!

[NycNick98]

tactical208 for president!

[NYCAPO]

Does Rochester have a Auxiliary police force?

[rubyrose]

Does Rochester have a Auxiliary police force?

No. The union has fought even talking about it.

The closest we have is what I am part of -- PAC TAC (police and citizens together against crime).

We are mostly "eyes and ears" and also sort of PR -- a friendly side to the PD.

Right now, however, they have a PAC TAC foot patrol detail that is walking sections of two streets on the West Side. I'm not absolutely certain about this, but I believe they are getting the funds for the OT from grant money supposedly supporting PAC TAC. Volunteers are supposed to walk with them.

As it stands, however, with the exception of a couple of people who walked a few times, I am the only one actually taking it seriously -- and benefitting from it. My street these days is so quiet...

And I'm learning a lot.

Tonight I sent off an email to the powers-that-be suggesting that they might want to offer participation in these walking patrols to folks who are interested in joining the RPD or who are in process.

I've done two ride-alongs and what I've been able to observe on the walks beats a ride-along hands down.

You'd probably have to join PAC TAC to do them. There's a volunteer orientation/training session down at the Public Safety Building Auditorium (85 Exchange) the first Tuesday of the month, 7 p.m. Radio training is offered the last Tuesday of the month, same time, same place.

We need more volunteers.

Anyone who wants more detailed info is welcome to PM me.

[rubyrose]

I just got off the phone wth a friend of mine who manages some apartments on the east side of the city. A tenant called him and said she hears banging on the near hers. He goes over there and this male black is trying to kick in the door. He calls 911 and the m/b gets into a car. He takes a cellphone photo of it, the police show up while the suspect is there. They never even took this guy out of the car, they let him go with no charges. There were boot marks all over the door. Now you would think they would look at this clowns boots and then lock him up...Nope !!!! just a report. Now that is lazy police work, but hat's what we've come to expect because they don't want to do the job any more. SAD !!!

FIRE DUFFY

Most likely had to do with the street the apartments are on.

My experience is that certain streets it's nearly impossible to get a timely response to a call (if any response at all). I understand that certain streets have been pretty much "written off," "unofficially," of course.

However, I am also finding if enough law-abiding citizens band together and make a big enough fuss, eventually they will get attention. But they have to keep the pressure up constantly.

BTW, it looks like Zero Tolerance has sort of unofficially faded away.

[Schnuffs]

What exactly does the RPD Tactical Unit do, as opposed to the rest of the department.

[rubyrose]

Not sure if Tactical208 will get to this. I'm just a volunteer but I do know something about what they do, based on people I know/have known who do it as well as discussion in the citizen's police academy.

If I make a mistake here, I welcome correction from RPD folks.

Tactical for the RPD is what other depts. might call SWAT. In addition to the usual activities that come immediately to mind re: SWAT, the TAC squad is often deployed around the city to perform what I guess might be called pro-active duties. They are out driving around in squad cars but they do not respond to service calls. They are not assigned any specific geographical area, and are not confined to the usual East Side/West Side divide (for those who don't know the city, a river runs through it, cutting the city essentially in half).

I know more details than that, but that's the most I can give without breaking confidentiality.

I'm sure, also, there are more than a few things they do that I don't know about.

What exactly does the RPD Tactical Unit do, as opposed to the rest of the department.

[CO1259]

Right now, however, they have a PAC TAC foot patrol detail that is walking sections of two streets on the West Side. I'm not absolutely certain about this, but I believe they are getting the funds for the OT from grant money supposedly supporting PAC TAC. Volunteers are supposed to walk with them.



That sounds great. It's not bad enough that the PO has to watch his own back, now he has to keep a civilian volunteer outta trouble too :rolleyes:

So glad my Dept hasn't come up with this great idea yet.

[rubyrose]

There are always two officers walking. Civilian gets out of the way whenever the officers have to TCB.

There would be no funds for the foot patrol without civilian involvement. Grant requirements.



That sounds great. It's not bad enough that the PO has to watch his own back, now he has to keep a civilian volunteer outta trouble too :rolleyes:

So glad my Dept hasn't come up with this great idea yet.