A vote for the 2nd

[Thisguy1996]

There is a vote on the USA Today website.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm

[Bighead]

Nice to see that on the USA Today poll the individual right to bear arms is weighing in at 97 percent.

[JTShooter]

Yes, but it's a funny question. It's asking exactly what it states. It's not asking if you believe in it, or if you agree with it. Just asking you if the 2nd amendment says you "have the right to bear arms".

[Blackdog F4i]

It would have been a better question if stated:

"Do YOU believe that Citizens have a Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms?"

[Monkey]

I think it more has to do with the recent claim (I can't remember who said it) that the 2nd amendment has been mis-construed, and the original intention was to protect the rights of the people to bear arms only if they were a part of the "well-regulated militia", which IIRC, this person took to mean the NG.

[JTShooter]

I think it more has to do with the recent claim (I can't remember who said it) that the 2nd amendment has been mis-construed, and the original intention was to protect the rights of the people to bear arms only if they were a part of the "well-regulated militia", which IIRC, this person took to mean the NG.

I've heard that a lot.

But I prefer how someone else put it, and I believe someone said it on this forum, the 2nd is the "Reset Button" for the nation. If things get too crazy or stray to far, the 2nd allows us citizens to make everything start over.

[jwise]

Huckabee was quoted (in the "Huckabee for President" thread) as saying it best:

"The Second Amendment is primarily about tyranny and self-defense, not hunting. The Founding Fathers wanted us to be
able to defend ourselves from our own government, if need be, and from all threats to our lives and property.
Second Amendment rights belong to individuals, not cities or states. I oppose gun control..."

[Blackdog F4i]

You want to see funny.

Go to your local University. Go find your closest group "protesting" whatever the topic of the week is. Ask them how they feel about gun control. I am sure most of them will tell you how evil guns are and how we would be better off if they were all banned.

Then ask them how they would feel if any of the other Constitutional Rights were banned. ;)

I do believe that the armed citizen is the surest way to protect our freedoms from ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic.

[zeplin]

Huckabee was quoted (in the "Huckabee for President" thread) as saying it best:

Originally Posted by Mike Huckabee
"The Second Amendment is primarily about tyranny and self-defense, not hunting. The Founding Fathers wanted us to be
able to defend ourselves from our own government, if need be, and from all threats to our lives and property.
Second Amendment rights belong to individuals, not cities or states. I oppose gun control..."

Huck got it right for sure. Too bad the vast majority out there have never read the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence or any of the Federalists Papers. These lazy morons listen to the garbage spewed by the anti-gun pukes on every media outlet and do not ever think to research what they are told just in case it could possibly be wrong. The freaking liberal gun hating left are counting on this kind of ignorance to take away all of our rights. The 2nd Amendment is all we have to protect them. With it out of the way we soon become a nation of subjects.

[bankfraudguy]

I'd only want to add that in regards to the 2nd Amendment, the Consitution protects a pre-existing, God given right, not grants it...

[RR_Security]

My retort to any claims that the right to keep and bear arms is only for the organized militia would be "And Bible owners have to belong to a well-regulated church? Or you must have two or more protesters to stand on a corner holding signs?"
I think if they gave it some thought (HA!), the gun-grabbers would realize that it's really the "Bill of Individual Rights." "Collective" rights come along pretty much by default (right to peaceably assemble, etc.) after each individual chooses to exercise his/her own rights.

[Nightshift va]

I'd only want to add that in regards to the 2nd Amendment, the Consitution protects a pre-existing, God given right, not grants it...

AMEN to that. I do not see how anyone could read the 2nd ammendment and think it only applies to a militia. Watch the Penn and Teller Episode they have on Showtime about guncontrol. They nail it on the head. I especially like the story of that lady who watched her family die in front of her because the resturant she was in did not allow any firearms so she left hers in her car and a psycho killer came in and shot people at random to include her parents and she couldn't do a thing. Kind of like the "Gun free zone" at Va Tech. Laws that take away people's rights to protect themselves kill people if anything.:cool:

[TX_CO]

I have made the "reset button" comment before and firmly believe it.
The oath I took as a soldier to support and defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic still has meaning.

If the colonists did not take up arms then there would be no debate about rights at all.

[tn_gunslinger]

the four boxes- soap box, ballot box, jury box, cartridge box

nice to see that 97% of 600,000 think that the 2nd is about individual rights.

[d10mack]

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[Blackdog F4i]

Sounds like a great reason to move.

Come on over to Indiana. We are a "shall issue" accept all other Protection Permits, and don't require any permits for long guns.

Whant more......we issue "Personal Protection" permits, NOT CCW. Once you get yours (four years or LIFETIME) you can strap your hogleg on in the open.

[JTShooter]

Sounds like a great reason to move.

Come on over to Indiana. We are a "shall issue" accept all other Protection Permits, and don't require any permits for long guns.

Want more......we issue "Personal Protection" permits, NOT CCW. Once you get yours (four years or LIFETIME) you can strap your hogleg on in the open.


:eek:

I'm moving to Indiana.

[JTShooter]

Wait, do you have a Castle Doctrine and a "no duty to retreat" law?

[That Guy]

Sounds like a great reason to move.

Come on over to Indiana. We are a "shall issue" accept all other Protection Permits, and don't require any permits for long guns.


Better yet come to Alaska; we have NO CCW permit requirements for any weapons....and you carry in the open...

TGY

[Blackdog F4i]

Wait, do you have a Castle Doctrine and a "no duty to retreat" law?

Yes. And Occupied Vehicles and Businesses are included in "Castle Doctrine".

[Blackdog F4i]

Better yet come to Alaska.......


I have thought about it, but how high is your cost of living?

I would love to find a place where I can sit on my back porch and shoot 1000 yard targets without worrying about where the bullets are going.

[JTShooter]

Yes. And Occupied Vehicles and Businesses are included in "Castle Doctrine".

Sounds like Indiana is Florida with snow, open carry, and no ocean!

:D


Indiana has now made the list.

[zeplin]

Missouri has Castle Doctrine, is "Shall Issue" and honor all states CCW permits. Cost of living ain't bad. Usually have the lowest gas prices in the nation here in Springfield. Also no city, county can ban CCW. Just the usual not allowed in schools, gov. offices, bars, gambling establishments, etc.

[Thisguy1996]

Low gas prices. That is a very good sell Zeplin. We have castle doc, I am guessing we shall issue (not real familiar with issuance). While in NY I found out that folks think everyone in Texas carries a gun anyhow. The problem I have with MO is saltwater is waaaaaaaaaay too far away.

[That Guy]

I have thought about it, but how high is your cost of living?

I would love to find a place where I can sit on my back porch and shoot 1000 yard targets without worrying about where the bullets are going.

The COL is not as bad as everyone thinks but thats fine with me because it keeps the population down.:cool:

Just because I believe a Dem will take office next year I have begun a quest of buying up weapons I feel will be in the new ban.

TGY

[jaybird33081]

Just because I believe a Dem will take office next year I have begun a quest of buying up weapons I feel will be in the new ban.

TGY

if clinton wins you can count a a ban for sure i know where my tax returns going.. first AR you can ban guns all you want but the bad guys already aint buying them legal so you dont fix anything.. thats what i dont get about government wanting bans

[Tmg]

all of you guys have it wrong.


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[zeplin]

if clinton wins you can count a a ban for sure i know where my tax returns going.. first AR you can ban guns all you want but the bad guys already aint buying them legal so you dont fix anything.. thats what i dont get about government wanting bans

The government, especially the clintonites are afraid that those of us who have arms will one day get totally P***ed off and exercise our 2nd Amendment Right to bring them down.

[JTShooter]

Nah, I think they're just trying to play to the anti-gunners hoping that more of them will vote for them.

It's all politics. Just like when Romney tried to pull a fast one and said he was a lifetime hunter but was caught with his pants down when it was found that he's only had a hunting license for 2 years.... :rolleyes:

[RR_Security]

The government, especially the clintonites are afraid that those of us who have arms will one day get totally P***ed off and exercise our 2nd Amendment Right to bring them down.Maybe, but I think it's also (or more so) that armed, self-sufficient citizens wouldn't be in need of their cradle-to-grave, Government-as-all-things-to-all-people Liberal programs.
"You don't need guns for hunting. Nobody should have to hunt for food, because we're the Free Lunch (Brady) Bunch."
"You don't need guns for protection of your person and property. Just call 9-1-1 and we'll send someone right over." They just can't grasp that some people would prefer to have 9mm (.45, 12 ga., whatever) and 9-1-1. They can't accept that gun control is not crime control. Then they might have to admit that they don't have all the answers.

I just began an online Constitutional Law class. I haven't gotten into the chapter about Amendment II yet, but from what I did see so far, it seems to be neutral. I may end up diagramming the sentence for somebody before that section is over. "(T)he right . . . shall not be abridged."

[zeplin]

Low gas prices. That is a very good sell Zeplin. We have castle doc, I am guessing we shall issue (not real familiar with issuance). While in NY I found out that folks think everyone in Texas carries a gun anyhow. The problem I have with MO is saltwater is waaaaaaaaaay too far away.

...and North Texas ain't far from Salt Water? Are you North of Armadillo home of the 'BIG TEXAN'? If you is Springberg is just another 4 hours more from salt water. :D Once I drove from Corpus to home in less than 11hours or was it 13?:eek: