Pistol for police marketed to the public

[gonzo1510]

Saw this story thought I'd post it..

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/los_angeles_metro/la-me-sis12jan12,1,334882.story?track=rss

Is this really an issue to officers here ?

[jato]

http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/pistols/SIS/sis-main.jpg (http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/sis/)

Great! Now I want one! See what you did! :)

In 2002, LAPD™ SWAT selected a Kimber 1911 .45 ACP as their duty pistol, purchased approximately 160 units and placed them in service. In 2005, SWAT Team members put SIS Detectives in contact with Kimber, and the Detectives requested that Kimber work with them to create a duty pistol that met their high standards and unique requirements.

[LA DEP]

Nope. I have ZERO problems with citizens having firearms. As long as they can pass the background, and take the basic safety test.

Also, the gun described above is only a tricked out 1911...not that I would turn my nose up at the chance to carry one.....hahahaha

[gonzo1510]

http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/pistols/SIS/sis-main.jpg (http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/sis/)

Great! Now I want one! See what you did! :)

Yeah...I should've thought this one out...I know, Now I want one too !

I also have the Custom II, the same model used by LAPD S.W.A.T. (without the roll marks) It was a gift from the guys at work, it was either that or a full blown bachelor party.

[DAL]

The LAPD should have trademarked "SIS" in order to control the use of the symbol.

The big problem here is that the SIS is very controversial because of the way they operate and LAPD does not want to generate publicity for it. The SIS has a reputation for following known criminals, waiting for them to commit a crime and then shooting them. (Doesn't bother me, but some people think that the police should stop the criminals before they commit the crime, so that they can go free.) I suspect the resemblance between the shape of the S's is "SIS" logo and those in the Nazi SS logo is probably another concern.

[John from Maryland]

If LAPD doesn't want publicity for SIS, they probably shouldn't be cooperating with the planned television series about the unit.

Until I read the idiocy of the various police commissioners and civil rights attorneys about Kimber marketing the SIS pistols to the public, I hadn't planned on purchasing one. Now, I might have to reconsider.

[Stugotz]

Somewhat off topic but I remember this great movie about SIS:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106850/

[DAL]

If LAPD is cooperating with a TV show about SIS, I suspect that their objective is to soften SIS's image, which, of course, is exaggerated in the press and the movies that have been made about it. Chief Bratton is quite savvy when it comes to media relations.

[reils49]

:rolleyes:Its a 1911.

[Royd5150]

I want one too, would be a nice off duty gun. Maybe someday I can go down to LA for training and show mine off. =)

[SV Goodguy]

Can someone explain exactly how this is accomplished?
"Kimber's SIS models for the LAPD and the public can be cocked and fired with one hand, in case the other is injured or otherwise unavailable.":rolleyes:

[SoCalSheriff]

To CHARGE THE WEAPON, Catch the lip of the ejection port on your boot heel. Or any other surface available. FYI this can be done w/ most semi-autos. We practiced this technique in the academy.

With the 1911 platform, "cocked" refers to pulling the hammer back. Pretty simple task, IMHO

[DinoTX]

That is one fine looking weapon.

[Badkharma]

LOL what a ridiculous article.

Unbelieveable. As if this 1911 is so much different than the dozens of other variants.

"There is something fundamentally wrong with the commercial sales of these highly specialized weapons to the public," said civil rights attorney Carol Sobel."

How about you learn about weapons first before criticizing them. These are the same clowns that think a gun is "more dangerous" because it has a pistol grip.

[GLOCKMASTER]

WOW..very nice looking weapon they have produced.

After reading the article I'm just glad that I don't live in California. Some of the quotes in the article make me laugh, sad and mad all at the same time. I would hate to know some of those people were making decisions for me.

[SV Goodguy]

To CHARGE THE WEAPON, Catch the lip of the ejection port on your boot heel. Or any other surface available. FYI this can be done w/ most semi-autos. We practiced this technique in the academy.

With the 1911 platform, "cocked" refers to pulling the hammer back. Pretty simple task, IMHO

Point taken. The statement that "Kimber's SIS models for the LAPD and the public can be cocked and fired with one hand, in case the other is injured or otherwise unavailable." implies an extraodinary feat no other semi-auto pistol is capable of.

[pulicords]

LOL what a ridiculous article.

Unbelieveable. As if this 1911 is so much different than the dozens of other variants.

"There is something fundamentally wrong with the commercial sales of these highly specialized weapons to the public," said civil rights attorney Carol Sobel."

How about you learn about weapons first before criticizing them. These are the same clowns that think a gun is "more dangerous" because it has a pistol grip.


I guess commercial sales of unspecialized weapons to the public is okay? I guess Sobel would support the right of felons to carry firearms with the serial numbers removed. Oh yea, the American Criminal Liberties Union!

[Biz_mikee]

To CHARGE THE WEAPON, Catch the lip of the ejection port on your boot heel. Or any other surface available. FYI this can be done w/ most semi-autos. We practiced this technique in the academy.


The glock can be chambered too by catching the rear sights on an item if your ever injured and only have 1 hand.

[1970k10]

just wanted to add with a standard 5" government model you can push the underlug (underneath the barrel, forget name)

and it will chamber a round.

[bar room heroes]

You would have to push VERY hard..

[LA DEP]

Sobel is a tool.....if they are getting this worked up over a 1911, I may just have to buy it....just so it raises their blood pressure

[DOAcop38]

Its a 1911. Welcome to the Peoples Soviet Socialist Republik of Kalifornia!!!!!

LOLOLOLOLOL!!"But" you applied for 3/5 depts that are in CA!! Be real- with the expection of L.A. ,San Diego and and 'frisco - CA is most assured a moderate republican state .So stop whining ansd ENJOY the warm weather and better economy (though we are kinda' in the "red" right now)....:D

[DOAcop38]

Nope. I have ZERO problems with citizens having firearms. As long as they can pass the background, and take the basic safety test.

Also, the gun described above is only a tricked out 1911...not that I would turn my nose up at the chance to carry one.....hahahaha

.....SAW this "coming" when they did the promo videos and photo adds in my patrol area(got to watch the "hype of the production") !!! ONE of the SIS Dets showed me the .45 and I was told that it has "improvements" over the version that METRO and "D" Platoon (SWAT) carry. SIS dets are really GOOD investigators-they have a high arrest and case closure rate;because everyone they go up against is a VERIFIED hardened felon,SIS sought a well made .45 cal handgun as a preference( also hard that GLOCK was interested in an offering for SIS,as they now supply LAPD and the rest of the city of L.A.depts with .40 Cal handguns). not saying that every officer doesn't deserve the best ,but this is a specialists gun,made for specialists in combatting crime....

[bar room heroes]

I believe the 1911 is the best CQB pistol ever made.
A well maintained 1911 paired with good training makes for a great fighting tool.

The problem is it takes too much time to maintain thousands of 1911's. I do not believe there is a single "PRODUCTION" 1911 ready for duty use out of the box.

The glock is a simple solution as is the sig and others.

[DOAcop38]

GLOCKS are basic "grocery getters" in terms of duty weapons- they take abuse,are easy to repair or replace,and work virtually when other guns of similar cost and mass quantity fail.

[1970k10]

You would have to push VERY hard..


negative, i have a 18.5 lb spring and its very easy.

u can even do it by grabbing the trigger guard with your thumb and pulling the lug with your pointer finger.

[bar room heroes]

Pulling or pushing?