NYPD Pay Updates??

[cjs34]

Anybody heard any info on pay increases for NYC?? I remember that there was talks a couple months ago about it possibly increasing, but I've not heard anything since.

[Pekkier]

you won't hear anything until next year of 09

[Army2PD]

The city will go broke from the retro checks!:D

[gbotj]

"I miss Guliani."

are you stupid? that guy gave NYPD 0% for 2 years followed by two 3%'s and a 6. Hes the reason why NYPD is having pay problems. NYPD was higher paid than Nassau and Suffolk Police until 1994 when the 00336 contract was given to PD and ever since then pay has just about stayed the same while others sky rocket. Theres a reason why the NYC PBA is not supporting Giuliani. and thats it.

[wnt2bacop]

Not happening as long as bloomberg is in office.
I miss Guliani.

LOL, you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are ya! Guiliani was the worst thing to happen to NYPD since Dinkens !!!!!

[gbotj]

no your wrong again. crime went down on paper when he and bratton created COMPSTAT, which is a numbers game. Big crimes would either go unreported or lowered to smaller crimes (robbery to burglary or larceny), so they would appear that crime is down. If crime did not go down or went up pct. CO's would get their asses chewed out at COMPSTATS monthly meetings on citywide crime.

[Up_On_Base]

I think the starting pay in 2002ish was 35K, now it's in the 20's...not good.

I think the city will screw NYPD again and bump the pay to only 33ish, it should be about 45K to start but that will NEVER happen, what a mess.

[cjs34]

thanks for all the info...its crap that the PD in the biggest city in the US gets paid the BS they do for the job they perform.

[gbotj]

"Ok fine your right again"

as I re read my post it seems I came across a little mean. Sorry, I just meant it wasnt correct. No problems, everyone learns something new everyday.

[JohnieBK]

As far as waiting for a raise, when you think you've waited enough, keep waiting. That's the name of the game. I just got on with NYPD and I haven't received my first paycheck yet, but I'm sure it will be pathetic.

[JohnieBK]

Your profile says your not a cop
it says your a photographer which
is what I wanted to be before
I changed my mind for a cop.

Hey nycool, I just got on the books as of this past Monday (3 days ago). Excuse me if I didn't have a chance to update my profile, I've been getting up at 5:20 AM and when I get home, I don't feel like coming on here. The only reason I'm on now is because I'm working the 4x12 tomorrow so I don't have to go to bed early. There's a lot of reasons to join and if I need to explain them to you, then you won't get it. Talk to me when one of those other agencies call you. I'm a recruit now, so instead of wasting time somewhere else, atleast I'm gaining experience. I took other P.O tests and have another one coming up, so my mind is open for change. But in the mean time, I'm atleasting getting a foot in the door.

[JohnieBK]

That's cool. What kind of photographer were you?
And will you go back to it if LE doesn't work out?



I did mostly wedding work and if LE doesn't work out I will NOT go back to it, unless I'm desperate of course. I stopped enjoying it a few years ago, so I felt it was time to move on.

[John2008]

Ok ok sorry. But all I know is crime went down when
he went into office. Thats what I was thanking him for.

Crime didn't go down because of him, he wasnt the one on the streets hiting the coners, arresting people, getting shot at, fighting with people.

[John2008]

So JohnyBK and everybody else...

WHY JOIN?

Why not just go to any other department in NY or anywhere else
where the cops are payed what they deserve?

I dont get it...

The only reason I would join the NYPD is for experience but
then I'm OUT...

well where else are going to go if you want to remain in NYS.
you have
Suffolk county police- only wants to hire 400ppl and 30,000ppl took the test.
Nassau county police- wants to hire 400 and a lil over 10,000 ppl took it.
New York State Police-a lil over 22,000 people are taking the test and I bet they're probably going to hire around 500-600 if that.
than plus all of the other little PD's around here that hire 1-5 every so often.
NYPD basically becomes your only choice if you want to remain around here.

80% chance that I will start in the NYPD first in July since I don't think anyone else will call me, I'm going to go in there save up what I can and then start applying out of state. I have my eyes on LVMPD and PSP and NJSP.

[WM40]

Is anyone else here looking at D.C. Metro P.D.? I'm from NYC, but living in D.C. I've applied to both D.C. MPD and NYPD. D.C. is a nice city, less crowded and quite a bit cheaper than NYC. Also, possible to live relatively close with a house and family without breaking the bank. The pay is much better here, as it is almost anywhere else (around $48,000 entry level) and there is a lot of overtime, I gather. I was just curious if anyone else was considering it. I'm trying to decide which one I would take if I got hired by both. I'm leaning toward NYPD in spite of the pay issues. I know I must be crazy, but there's something about New York and NYPD that just seems like it's the real deal.

[John2008]

Is anyone else here looking at D.C. Metro P.D.? I'm from NYC, but living in D.C. I've applied to both D.C. MPD and NYPD. D.C. is a nice city, less crowded and quite a bit cheaper than NYC. Also, possible to live relatively close with a house and family without breaking the bank. The pay is much better here, as it is almost anywhere else (around $48,000 entry level) and there is a lot of overtime, I gather. I was just curious if anyone else was considering it. I'm trying to decide which one I would take if I got hired by both. I'm leaning toward NYPD in spite of the pay issues. I know I must be crazy, but there's something about New York and NYPD that just seems like it's the real deal.

why come to the NYPD?
NYPD for me is my last resort.
In The NYPD you're guarantee from what all my friends tell me
Crapy pay we all know that already
and you will get sold out if anything happens and it gets media attention
and you will get crappy treatment from the administration.

[WM40]

I think you could say the crappy treatment and negative media is true in any city. Is it worse in NYPD?

Maybe you have to want to suffer to be a cop in the first place. If so, why not go where there's the most suffering?

[Bearcat357]

I think you could say the crappy treatment and negative media is true in any city. Is it worse in NYPD?

Looking from the outside of things....I think the media/city treatment of NYPD Officers is a lot worse than the treatment of MPD Officers......

That's just me....

If I had to chose btwn the two....I would go MPD in a heartbeat over NYPD......

[gbotj]

"Suffolk county police- only wants to hire 400ppl and 30,000ppl took the test.
Nassau county police- wants to hire 400 and a lil over 10,000 ppl took it.
New York State Police-a lil over 22,000 people are taking the test and I bet they're probably going to hire around 500-600 if that."

westchester county is home of some very well paid and great departments
You have
-westchester county public safety (Police)
-White Plains PD
-Yonkers PD

other great PD jobs

-MTA Police
-Port Authority Police
-NYS Park Police
-Nassau County Village/Town/City Police Departments
-Suffolk County Village/Town/ Police Departments
-NYS University Police

the more tests you take the better chance you have at getting on one of these jobs. I'd say that if you were to take all of these tests that both I and John pointed out you will be called for at least on of these PD's, and top pay for all of these jobs begin in the 70's and go into the 90's-100's.\

you just have to keep taking tests.

[Army2PD]

Honestly I cant lie I allways wanted to be a NYC police officer, from when I used to be in the NYPD explorers program, to when I was in high school studying to be an APO ( I had to wait untill I was 18 to be sheilded ). The downside is that I could have never foreseen the pay issues , the negative press , and the blatant lack of respect some people ( not even criminals regular working people ) have for the NYPD.

[Army2PD]

I am a little on the older side :D That may be something new ? I remember when I was in, they had this program ( I forget what its called ) where if you were under 21 and a APO you would go into a store buy some beer walk out with the beer and then the real police would come from like the back of the store and give the owner a summons.

[bklynbob]

well where else are going to go if you want to remain in NYS.
you have
Suffolk county police- only wants to hire 400ppl and 30,000ppl took the test.
Nassau county police- wants to hire 400 and a lil over 10,000 ppl took it.
New York State Police-a lil over 22,000 people are taking the test and I bet they're probably going to hire around 500-600 if that.
than plus all of the other little PD's around here that hire 1-5 every so often.
NYPD basically becomes your only choice if you want to remain around here.

80% chance that I will start in the NYPD first in July since I don't think anyone else will call me, I'm going to go in there save up what I can and then start applying out of state. I have my eyes on LVMPD and PSP and NJSP.

I'TS A BIG COUNTRY OUT THERE!

[bklynbob]

Honestly I cant lie I allways wanted to be a NYC police officer, from when I used to be in the NYPD explorers program, to when I was in high school studying to be an APO ( I had to wait untill I was 18 to be sheilded ). The downside is that I could have never foreseen the pay issues , the negative press , and the blatant lack of respect some people ( not even criminals regular working people ) have for the NYPD.

The reason for that lack of respect is because 99% of the rookies that have come on in recent years are sheep.You go out and hammer EVERYONE w/ bs summonses and make bs collars! Can you really expect anything else! As far as pay goes you will get what the other unions got.Perb may insist that the usual "discretionary 1.55% got to raise starting pay. P.s giulliani did not give 2 zeroes...........it was actually almost 4 zeroes,when you figure the contracts were "stretched" 4 months here and 6 months there it all adds up. The nypd will ALWAYS be behind neighboring pd's for this reason. Also..........remember if you take the nypd job you can never get into the papd.

[Army2PD]

Hey bklybob I know this question is a little off the thread topic , However do you see Impact as a real crime fighting tool ? How does a PPO learn police work while on Impact? and do you think that because of the recent idea of extending Impact for the PPOs already on it , that it could possibly have an effect on future recruiting? ( I ve heard a little chatter on other websites that some with hooks are a little upset with being stuck on Impact instead of a house or transit .)

[WM40]

I'm curious about how Impact effects your assimilation into regular police work. Is it a one year thing? What happens after the one year? Do you stay in the same pct or move? If you move, do you then get to work with an experienced officer, or do you just continue working with other rookies?

[John2008]

Dear Fellow Members:

RE: Collective Bargaining Agreement 2004-2006

The PERB hearings are coming to an end on Friday, January 11th. In this round, the PBA has put forward its most comprehensive, detailed and factual presentation to date. Not only have we put on evidence that showed that New York City police officers were substantially underpaid by any standard, at a time of unprecedented financial prosperity in this City, we have also shown that New York City police officers have education, training, skills and job responsibilities that distinguish them from other uniformed City employees. Extensive data put into evidence by the PBA showed that NO uniformed group is in the same competitive position as police officers versus their counterparts in other jurisdictions. In fact, every other City uniform group is paid more that the average of their counterparts in other jurisdictions. It was shown definitively that NYC police officers are dead last in terms of compensation and even when you consider the pension and health benefits put forward by the City as superior to those of other jurisdiction, but which are not, New York City police officers are substantially underpaid.

With respect to our performance and productivity, we have shown that we continue to be the most productive of City agencies at a time where we are down over 5,000 UMOS and the Department cannot recruit and retain enough to fill our thinning ranks. While we continue to achieve unparalleled crime fighting gains and continue to put forth Herculean efforts in our non-crime responsibilities, areas within the NYPD’s mission have been increasingly unaddressed because of what the PBA and City Council members have characterized as a staffing “crisis” within the NYPD. Despite claims by the NYPD’s Personnel Chief that inability to recruit in the NYPD is attributable to the lowered starting salaries, which he himself bears responsibility for as a result of his testimony in the last round, he was proven to have absolutely no basis to make that claim and the Department’s own surveys of candidates and resignees show that top salary is the most important factor in deciding whether to take a job at the NYPD.

Finally, we put in overwhelming proof that residents of the city of New York from all communities, as well as academics and police professionals alike, have serious concerns about the salaries of New York City police officers and are supportive of raises that pay us as police professionals.

After the close of the hearings, the parties will prepare briefs summarizing the evidence for the panel. We expect a decision thereafter.

We are in the process of preparing additional detailed summaries of the hearing transcripts, which are voluminous in this round as a result of extensive cross-examination of City witnesses, and will publish them as they become available.

We appreciate your continuing support and we share your hope and expectation that the panel will render an award that comports with the overwhelming evidence that favors the PBA’s position.


Straight from the PBA website, hopefuly this mean that we'll have a new contract soon. lets see how much of a "raise" they get.

[John2008]

I'TS A BIG COUNTRY OUT THERE!

Yes indeed.
I know, I could go out west and apply and be hired within 5months, but I don't have money since I'm in college. so if I join the NYPD I'll be saving up to leave it. hopefully everything will go to plan.

[CLOCKWORK ORANG]

I'TS A BIG COUNTRY OUT THERE!
We think alike! I'm relatively young, it'll be nice for me to head out west and gain some LEO experience in a new place. Pay is incredible too, especially compared to the NYPD. Do that for a few, save up, hell I might even stay there. :D

[bklynbob]

Straight from the PBA website, hopefuly this mean that we'll have a new contract soon. lets see how much of a "raise" they get.

The same as all the other unions..............even if they get a pittance more,it will be moot after you factor in additional taxes,inflation and incresed union dues. Perb is not a panacea.The contract may well be only 2 years. The city doesn't care. Desperate people or those with an extreme amount of idealism will still take the job.That idealism quickly turns to resentment an you have a miserable cop.That filters down to friends ans family and is a recipe for disaster.Those who will settle for the lowest common denominator or have low expectations will stay.

[activebimmer]

Hey John did u make it into the academy, i see your sig has "hope i make it, and it already started"

[gunslash]

I'm in right now for the new class, hopefully the neew contract will actualyl happen this time :D

Either way, it's not such a bad deal for me as of now. The Academy gets you 33 College Credits. I have 86 right now and have mostly electives left. Even if I get 20 or so credited in my school (though it seems they will give me the whole 33...they're good at that + the administration likes me heh), I will be pretty much done, except for 1 or 2 classes.

Basically, I am getting paid right now to get yelled at, walk 1.5 miles, and get 33 college credits in 6 months....not entirely a bad deal. Even if it doesn't work out as a long term carreer, I figure I will use it as a building block for my resume/education.

For those that are able to live with their parents for the next 6 months, the academy pay situation isn't that bad really while in the academy... for those that still need the credits for a degree, good luck getting 30+ credits elsewhere in 6 months for free.

For those that can't rely on their folks, the pay is definitely an issue. Not only do you have to buy a lot of stuff at the start of the Academy, but also the day to day stuff won't really fit into the pathetic paycheck. If you have a family/dependets, I don't see how you can make it, in most situations.

Here's to hoping the new pay agreement will come soon.

[John2008]

Hey John did u make it into the academy, i see your sig has "hope i make it, and it already started"

I'm aiming for the July academy since I graduate from school in May.

[JKOSU]

Based on the current pay, would you say a single NYPD Officer (whatever rank) could afford to buy an average home in Westchester County? open to anyone..thanks

[gunslash]

Based on the current pay, would you say a single NYPD Officer (whatever rank) could afford to buy an average home in Westchester County? open to anyone..thanks


Buy? NO!
you're looking on at at least $500K+ most of the time in this area...
unless you have 5 brazlian dollars saved up....


of course, if you're a top pay sgt, detective, LT, CPT and above, the story changes as their salary is really good...but as a PO, even at top pay, I don't see it happening.
just my opinnion.

[JKOSU]

thanks for the response. What I meant was at any rank, not just PO. Do you think Sgt's can afford? Liutenants? I assumed Captain and above you could afford it. I was wondering because if the low pay issue is only for the first few years and no promotion, then I dont see much negative in that. But I know its different for everyone.

[chuckyd]

Seriously they should do 35k while in training and 45k after school! I really want a city job! only problem is i gotta relocate. NYPD is where i wanna be the most but they have the worst pay. The bank would take my home 3 months before i got outta the acadamy. Now at 35k I can survive. In jersey its not cup cake either. All the city jobs have residency requirements. So this means now i gotta "move" to Newark, Jersey City, Paterson, Passaic, Trenton, AC etc etc. I truley do not understand the residency rules. Now I can understand low pay if intend to remain a PO but doesnt everyone want to go for promotions? No one wants to stay in the mail room forever. And if you liek it there so much then you gotta live with the pay. All in all I think that the NYPD needs to just get a better starting salary. I think LAPD starts at 52k

[Nav]

Seriously all of the candidates should skip an academy and watch em come up with a new contract in a heartbeat....lol i kno its never going to happen but i'd like to see this.....
i have put myself on hold since last year..i decided to get my b.s mean while hoping that NYPD will come up with a new contract....but i guess not.....i graduate in dec. 2008 from stony brook so i guess if nuthing works out with other departments i have to go to NYPD in Jan 09. i always wanted to be a police officer so lets see what happens.
Good Luck to all of you tho.

[bklynbob]

Seriously all of the candidates should skip an academy and watch em come up with a new contract in a heartbeat....lol i kno its never going to happen but i'd like to see this.....
i have put myself on hold since last year..i decided to get my b.s mean while hoping that NYPD will come up with a new contract....but i guess not.....i graduate in dec. 2008 from stony brook so i guess if nuthing works out with other departments i have to go to NYPD in Jan 09. i always wanted to be a police officer so lets see what happens.
Good Luck to all of you tho.

That would send a huge message..........but won't happen! The FOUR ZERO'S that were handed to the nypd by giulianni killed the job. You will never catch up. Perb would need to give minimum 6% raises over 5 years to catch up.........it won't happen. If the city/pba can't agree on a longer than 2 year contract,you may only see a max of 7% when the contract is finally resolved! You may need to wait another 2-3 years for the next contract/raise!!!If you decide to take the job,have at least 2 back-up jobs.P.s If you guys were counting on that 15k for school loans,you can forget about that.

[gunslash]

That would send a huge message..........but won't happen! The FOUR ZERO'S that were handed to the nypd by giulianni killed the job. You will never catch up. Perb would need to give minimum 6% raises over 5 years to catch up.........it won't happen. If the city/pba can't agree on a longer than 2 year contract,you may only see a max of 7% when the contract is finally resolved! You may need to wait another 2-3 years for the next contract/raise!!!If you decide to take the job,have at least 2 back-up jobs.P.s If you guys were counting on that 15k for school loans,you can forget about that.

yeah PBA doesn't think it's such a good idea anymore to do the $15k loan repayment lol
too bad
I can always go back to the military, at least I knew exactly where I stood there when it came to pay and a yearly 2-3% raise was a given

[John2008]

yeah PBA doesn't think it's such a good idea anymore to do the $15k loan repayment lol
too bad
I can always go back to the military, at least I knew exactly where I stood there when it came to pay and a yearly 2-3% raise was a given

They got rid of that program? lol.
smh I was looking at that as being one of the only benifits of me joining the NYPD lol but I guess not.

[NorwichGrad05]

Hey, keep posting, us guys who moved onto other PD's out of the state are looking forward to those retro checks!!!