NYPD Off-Duty Carry

[Back to NYC]

Does the NYPD permit you to concealed carry your duty weapon while off-duty, or do you have to purchase one of the approved off-duty guns to carry off-duty? Also, what are the rules for off-duty holsters/rig?

[gbotj]

you can carry ANY authorized firearm off duty.

the holster just has to be a pancake.

[redstormgsr]

you can carry ANY authorized firearm off duty.

the holster just has to be a pancake.


Authorized meaning.........the glock the s&w or the sig? Or is it authorized meaning any gun with the nypd approved trigger?

[IAmJeff]

what would be the point of requiring the holster to be a pancake? that really limits what kind of off-duty rig you can use doesnt it?

[gbotj]

whos going to wear a duty holster off-duty?

the NYPD has a list of authorized service automatics and a list of authorized off duty automatics. You have to choose from one (or more) of them from those two lists. It cannot be any firearm w/ a NY trigger.

[wnt2bacop]

the holster just has to be a pancake.


Incorrect, while the pancake holster is the preferred off-duty holster for NYPD, you can also utilize other types of holsters, only prerequisite is that the holster must be attached to your belt, and must have a retention device, whether it be a thumb break or a trigger guard retention device.

[gbotj]

really? I thought the pancake was the only holster with the thumb break?

[BklynsFinest347]

The NYPD can carry their duty weapon off-duty if they wanted to. Any MOS can carry any one of these authorized off-duty firearms (Glock 26, S&W 3914/3953 or the Sig P239) off-duty. The leather "pancake" holster is authorized to wear when an MOS is carrying out administrative duties within a police facility (desk duty or anything similar - i.e. processing an arrest, assistant desk officer, working the telephone switchboard, etc.)

For concealed off-duty carry, a holster that has a retention device (thumb break and/or trigger guard device) is highly recommended to holster your firearm in.

really? I thought the pancake was the only holster with the thumb break?

Nope. I have a DeSantis IWB (inside-the-waistband) leather holster with a thumb break w/ metal belt clip to conceal carry my Glock 26 off-duty. Administratively, I carry my Glock 19 duty weapon in a leather pancake holster.

[redstormgsr]

ok thank you!!

[ntberrympo]

What is the law for out of state officers carrying a firearm (pistol/revolver) in New York City? Can they carry or not?

[SCPS PO]

LEOSA covers you. Federal law allows you to carry nationwide.

[ntberrympo]

Awesome.....thanks for the reply. I had heard that NYC had passed a city ordinace about LEOs from out of state/town not being able to carry unless working. Best to ask the source!!! Thanks again.

[Army2PD]

I Just have one question, if you have your off duty on you and your off duty where is your duty pistol ? Do they have an arms room or something ?

[gbotj]

you keep your service auto in your locker at work, or you can keep it at home. If its at home you have to safeguard it though.

[Army2PD]

Thanks gbotj. I would safeguard it at home , things have been known to walk out of lockers .

[2971511]

Thats why you have a lock on your locker. I personally dont like leaving a weapon @ work because we have a lot of people going thru the facility, cleaners, maintenence, etc. and it is not 100% secure. I take my duty weapon home with me and lock it in a gun safe, and wear my off duty when i'm out and about.

[the_sh0w]

so freakin weird, i asked this question in the nypd trainee forum. back to the topic, i would totally agreed, on-duty guns should be kept safe @ home, neverr @ ur workplace. but now i know that when ur off duty, u can still carry a piece on u as long its concealed. but i gotta ask, aside ur off duty weapon, what else can u carry? extra ammos? handcuffs?? idk if it sounds dump, but i want to know. what other stuffs should u carry durirng ur off duty?

[NYCTNT]

can we please keep this thread for COPS WHO ARE IN NYPD TO ANSWER?

Too many I THINKS and I THOUGHT. If your NOT nypd, why would you answer or attempt to answer this thread? I dont get it.

You have a choice. You can carry your service weapon or an off duty firearm that you must purchase on your own.

TECHNICALLY, the firearm is preferred to be in a pancake holster on your hip, but its a preference. Many many many cops carry with a inside the waistband holster. The only "loophole" is that the holster must LOOP to your belt on your waist. No pun intended. They DO sell inside the waistband holsters with loops, so thats an easy one. If you are probably caught with a clip on IWB holster, you may get one for it.

All ammo you carry either on you or in your gun must be department issued ammo. I cant see why you cannot carry more ammo, but if you need more than 11 rounds(the baby glock), then you have a bigger issue and dial 911.

and

TECHNICALLY as per hr218(FEDERAL LAW), you can carry in all 50 states. Let me not finish.

[ntberrympo]

So is the pancake holster a NYPD rule for just off duty NYPD people? Also....do the NYPD guys have many incidents where they use or even have to draw when off duty? Anyone have many problems with people off duty?

And just a response to the on duty, off duty gun.....I have a Sig 229 that I leave in a secured area at work when I go home. When on the rare occasion I carry off duty, I have a Smith 428 357 revolver. Five shots, but it is enough. I do a ton of hiking and got it to carry in my back pack since it is small. I carry an extra speedloader or two when I hike.

[NYCTNT]

its gonna be connected to your hip off duty and nowhere else, one way or another.

Cannot be in a ladies bag, ankle or anything liek that OFF DUTY.

Its not a RULE, its a recommendation and preferred method.

As far as use and drawing off duty, you better have a good reason and the incidents are rare. NYC is NOT a total craphole!

As you shall learn if you get on this job, the best police action off duty is to dial 911 as this is the safest way for all parties to be completely safe as you do not have a uniform on and noone knows who is the cop and the bad guy.

[ntberrympo]

Thanks for all the info. I highly doubt I will carry, but it is always good to ask to weigh all options.

[bklynbob]

can we please keep this thread for COPS WHO ARE IN NYPD TO ANSWER?

Too many I THINKS and I THOUGHT. If your NOT nypd, why would you answer or attempt to answer this thread? I dont get it.

You have a choice. You can carry your service weapon or an off duty firearm that you must purchase on your own.

TECHNICALLY, the firearm is preferred to be in a pancake holster on your hip, but its a preference. Many many many cops carry with a inside the waistband holster. The only "loophole" is that the holster must LOOP to your belt on your waist. No pun intended. They DO sell inside the waistband holsters with loops, so thats an easy one. If you are probably caught with a clip on IWB holster, you may get one for it.

All ammo you carry either on you or in your gun must be department issued ammo. I cant see why you cannot carry more ammo, but if you need more than 11 rounds(the baby glock), then you have a bigger issue and dial 911.

and

TECHNICALLY as per hr218(FEDERAL LAW), you can carry in all 50 states. Let me not finish.

If your magazine fails.......... what if you draw your weapon an the mag falls to the ground...what if you run into multiple armed perps........... what if......................... what if.............that's another reason to carry extra ammo. If you are gonna carry off duty you had better carry extra ammo and a cell phone!

[activebimmer]

Incorrect, while the pancake holster is the preferred off-duty holster for NYPD, you can also utilize other types of holsters, only prerequisite is that the holster must be attached to your belt, and must have a retention device, whether it be a thumb break or a trigger guard retention device.

AND must be of a type that is designed to fit that specific weapon and doesnt collapse...... No one size fits alls...

[NYCTNT]

What "if's" are applied to anything and everything out there... if for any chance you do need more than 11 rounds, you have a much bigger problem!

This isnt the movies where you go and blast away 20 perps and then get promoted the next day. Mel Gibson is an actor, not a real cop.

[gbotj]

now danny glover on the other hand........

[SCPS PO]

Not NYPD but I carry my service weapon off duty IWB (with thumb break) with a clip. Easily concealed even in warm weather.

[NYCTNT]

scps, please check your pm.

thanks

[John2008]

do you have to buy your own bullets?(I know they have to be Dept approved)
if so, which ones are you allowed to buy?

[NYCTNT]

no, the range gives you ammo when you go to requalify(2x per year). You must use only their ammo, but if a cop goes to a private range they take out their dept ammo and shoot off cheap stuff and reload back to dept ammo.

The type of ammo we shoot and carry is not to be shared, sorry.

[John2008]

no, the range gives you ammo when you go to requalify(2x per year). You must use only their ammo, but if a cop goes to a private range they take out their dept ammo and shoot off cheap stuff and reload back to dept ammo.

The type of ammo we shoot and carry is not to be shared, sorry.

understandable, but if you wouldn't mind me asking.
how much do they give you?

[zeroryde]

understandable, but if you wouldn't mind me asking.
how much do they give you?

just enough...

[SCPS PO]

TNT,

Back at you.

[Xjarhead]

Guns stolen from lockers are few and far between. In my 7+ yrs ive never seen anyone get a hit for offduty holster.

[John2008]

which Sig 226 does the NYPD offer?

the all black one?
or
the two toned?
(I like the all black one better)

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

all black sig.. it does rust tho

[John2008]

Are you guys allowed to carry pocket knives while on duty as part of your duty gear?
if so, which type of knives are allowed?

[NYCTNT]

these questions are getting lame.

I dont mean to sound like a hard a55, but if your gonna expect to come into the academy, you will learn all of what you can and cannot have and what kind of gun you can choose and what ammo we shoot.

Take it easy.

[NYSJAILER2008]

these questions are getting lame.

I dont mean to sound like a hard a55, but if your gonna expect to come into the academy, you will learn all of what you can and cannot have and what kind of gun you can choose and what ammo we shoot.

Take it easy.
You are so mean TNT, you dont have to answer questions, there are other MOS that are happy to help hopefuls and new recruits

[NYSJAILER2008]

Are you guys allowed to carry pocket knives while on duty as part of your duty gear?
if so, which type of knives are allowed?
Yes NYPD patrol officers carry pocket knives, how many inches and what brand do know? I am sure EMS resuce blades or anything in Galls magazine

[NYCTNT]

Like I said, I dont mean to sound mean, but take it easy. There is absolutely no need to keep asking these questions, especially on an open forum.

It is nobodies business other than a MOS's business.

Like I said before, take it down a notch. You will learn what you need to learn in the academy and in the street.

[kxl77]

can we please keep this thread for COPS WHO ARE IN NYPD TO ANSWER?

Too many I THINKS and I THOUGHT. If your NOT nypd, why would you answer or attempt to answer this thread? I dont get it.

You have a choice. You can carry your service weapon or an off duty firearm that you must purchase on your own.

TECHNICALLY, the firearm is preferred to be in a pancake holster on your hip, but its a preference. Many many many cops carry with a inside the waistband holster. The only "loophole" is that the holster must LOOP to your belt on your waist. No pun intended. They DO sell inside the waistband holsters with loops, so thats an easy one. If you are probably caught with a clip on IWB holster, you may get one for it.

All ammo you carry either on you or in your gun must be department issued ammo. I cant see why you cannot carry more ammo, but if you need more than 11 rounds(the baby glock), then you have a bigger issue and dial 911.

and

TECHNICALLY as per hr218(FEDERAL LAW), you can carry in all 50 states. Let me not finish.

What are the "technicalities' associated with carrying within the US? I asked a friend who's been on the job for about 5 years about their carrying policy and he said New York state yes, and his exact words for out of state was "Back in the day you could carry in all 50 states."

[NYCTNT]

According to HR218, a PO in the US can legally carry in all 50 states without being arrested.

BACK in the day was a wink-wink look away type of deal, now its set in stone as per HR218.

According to DEPARTMENT policy of different agencies, some allow and some dont allow to carry out of the state.

Apparently, some departments think they are superior of the federal law, but you cant do anything but suck it up.

[Xjarhead]

If you're from some other state and you get stopped by some 3 year A/C cop, be prepared to be detained until they can verify your status.

[PTLovesMe81]

What are the "technicalities' associated with carrying within the US? I asked a friend who's been on the job for about 5 years about their carrying policy and he said New York state yes, and his exact words for out of state was "Back in the day you could carry in all 50 states."

The technicalities vary by state. For example there are different ammo restrictions depending on what state you go to. I am not getting into more detail than that, but just because you can carry a firearm into a state doesnt mean your ammo will be considered legal by that states standards.

[NYCde]

I'm sure other individual inputs are appreciated, but I agree with NYCTNT.....only current active MOS in NYC can answer the questions accurately.
As for carrying in NYC.... The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA), commonly called HR 218, is a United States federal law enacted to permit "law enforcement officers" to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the United States, regardless of any state or local law.

[NYCTNT]

Once again to elaborate, Federal Law is one thing and Department policy on backing you up if you take action is another.

Just make sure you know your departments policies prior to carrying and taking action in another state.

[2971511]

Knives, I Liked the 007 myself,, now that was a knife....

you old timers know what i'm talking about.

As for guns stolen from lockers few and far between, I seem to remember years ago, a mutt getting loose from a Squad interview room ,and getting a gun from a locker and killing 2 detectives that were transporting him back to Hazen Street.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe they were 2 queens detectives, killed on the GCP in their RMP near LG Airport, and the investigation revealed to bad guy got ahold of a gun in a locker or drawer of one of the other cops on the squad.

I may be confusing 2 different cases, but I'm sure I remember this happening.

I'll call some buddies and get mor e details like names and dates.

[2971511]

Found it. Det. Keith Williams, and Det. Richard Guerzon were both killed on November 13, 1989, in the incident i described above.

check out www.odmp.org/officer/14261-detective-keith-l.-williams

Read the fine print, they were killed by a suspect who was cuffed behind his back, and got a gun out of a locker in the squad room.

RIP brothers

[Xjarhead]

Thats still few and far between. Its not something that happens everyday. I believe we were talking about keeping the gun in your locker in the locker room, which is a different matter entirely.

[2971511]

I dont leave guns at work except long weapons locked in a safe.

If I were to leave a handgun at work, I would make sure the locker was locked tightly. And you are right few and far between, but it pays to learn from our fallen officers actions.

[PTLovesMe81]

When we went to the range we were told that if you leave your gun in a safe at home and the safe was broken into you would be getting a CD. However, if you secure your gun in a department facility locked in your locker you would be protected from any job action if someone were to break in and steal it.

Then they said when it comes to gun stuff, don't listen to any other cops cause most of them don't know the rules as well as the range people.

I am not in any way endorsing that comment, just passing on the info I received. :-)

[2971511]

When we went to the range we were told that if you leave your gun in a safe at home and the safe was broken into you would be getting a CD. However, if you secure your gun in a department facility locked in your locker you would be protected from any job action if someone were to break in and steal it.

Then they said when it comes to gun stuff, don't listen to any other cops cause most of them don't know the rules as well as the range people.

I am not in any way endorsing that comment, just passing on the info I received. :-)

Sounds like good advice, I dont know how they can say you would get a CD if you show the investigating officer a safe with a punched or drilled lock.

But yes the range people are the ones most up on policy like that.

[PTLovesMe81]

Sounds like good advice, I dont know how they can say you would get a CD if you show the investigating officer a safe with a punched or drilled lock.

But yes the range people are the ones most up on policy like that.

They said failure to adequately safeguard department property. In any case, it would probably be a warn and admonish and no loss of days I would assume.

[2971511]

I love NYPD double speak,, what is "adequately" mean... They dont want to losing your weapon, so you no longer have to take it to a bar, what if your going jogging or whitewater rafting,, how are you supposed to "safeguard" it.... typical NYPD though ,,,, glad I'm gone.

We have had officers homes burglarized, and as long as they can say they had a safe,, its like ohh well,, not liable for the loss.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

my understanding of the stupid patrol guide is if u have a safe and u have ur weapon inside and the safe is bolted to the floor if your firearm gets stolen you will be covered. but then again this is the nypd and they give cd's for wearing white socks so u never know

[2971511]

yeah thats true. I know some guys in MT dont remember S/N or 17 that got CD's for having their Picture taken in the newspaper without their hat. This was after a foot chase or a robbery suspect. Rumor at teh time was it came down from Johnston's office. Now granted this was the 80's and they have eased off the whole hat thing since then but WTF.? over.

[JohnieBK]

My take on carrying off-duty: You should carry unless you are drinking or going to the beach (or similiar place where it can't be safeguarded).

People in this country and city would give their right arm for the right to carry a weapon. I say take advantage of that right/priviledge and only get personally involved when the PERP. DECIDES to involve you or someone you love dearly.

Last year a female officer who lives in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, (68 PCT) was raped inside her home, the perp snuck in and was waiting for her. Guess where her firearm was? Inside her locker at work. Too bad she didn't have her firearm at the ready and squeeze off a few rounds into the rapists chest.

Of course always remember, that where ever you go while carrying, you are on a gun run. Perps train in disarming cops.

Also, if your firearm walks away from your locker, I believe your CO is responsible for it, not the PO. That's what our Sgt. at the Academy told us.

Direct from the range people's mouth, the NYPD cannot legally restrict you from carrying in all 50 states, nor can a state dictate what type of ammo you must carry. The federal law allows you to carry your weapon in all 50 states with whatever ammo your dept. issues.

[PTLovesMe81]

My take on carrying off-duty: You should carry unless you are drinking or going to the beach (or similiar place where it can't be safeguarded).

People in this country and city would give their right arm for the right to carry a weapon. I say take advantage of that right/priviledge and only get personally involved when the PERP. DECIDES to involve you or someone you love dearly.

Last year a female officer who lives in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, (68 PCT) was raped inside her home, the perp snuck in and was waiting for her. Guess where her firearm was? Inside her locker at work. Too bad she didn't have her firearm at the ready and squeeze off a few rounds into the rapists chest.

Of course always remember, that where ever you go while carrying, you are on a gun run. Perps train in disarming cops.

Also, if your firearm walks away from your locker, I believe your CO is responsible for it, not the PO. That's what our Sgt. at the Academy told us.

Direct from the range people's mouth, the NYPD cannot legally restrict you from carrying in all 50 states, nor can a state dictate what type of ammo you must carry. The federal law allows you to carry your weapon in all 50 states with whatever ammo your dept. issues.

The range specifically told us that our ammo was restricted in certain places (NJ being the big one). I don't know what week you went to the range, but maybe we had a different instructor.

[2971511]

I talked to NJ cops, none of them I've spoken with will give you any grief for carrying hollow points in NJ.

[NYSJAILER2008]

I talked to NJ cops, none of them I've spoken with will give you any grief for carrying hollow points in NJ.
Of course the NJPD will not jam you up, but what if God for-bid you have to use that firearm in NJ and hollows are resricted by law, What will the DA and defense attorney think about that. And what about the civil case??? Just food for thought!!!!When following the HR-218 you can carry but you have to follow that particular states carry rules on how and where, because in another state you are just a civilian with a ccw priviledge