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duke76
09-27-2007, 07:45 PM
I was hoping someone might be willing to provide a little advice or guidance. I have a opportunity to start the IMPD academy Oct. 29th, but I was notified by the Fishers PD of their interest and they are currently conducting the background investigation. However, I will not have a conditional offer from Fishers before the start of the IMPD academy. Personally I like the Fishers PD and would like to join the team, but I don't want to close any doors since Fishers is not a sure thing. Can anyone provide any insight on either department so to help make my decision?

operator48
09-27-2007, 09:14 PM
I was hoping someone might be willing to provide a little advice or guidance. I have a opportunity to start the IMPD academy Oct. 29th, but I was notified by the Fishers PD of their interest and they are currently conducting the background investigation. However, I will not have a conditional offer from Fishers before the start of the IMPD academy. Personally I like the Fishers PD and would like to join the team, but I don't want to close any doors since Fishers is not a sure thing. Can anyone provide any insight on either department so to help make my decision?

Hey Duke,
I think your decision is going to be made on the basis of what kind of police officer you want to be. But first, let’s look at the Pro's and Con's of both departments. Having been on Indianapolis and having worked very closely with Fishers during my time at a Hamilton County Department, I have a pretty good understanding of both.
Pros of Fishers is going to be obviously equipment, FPD will pay for just about everything from uniform to paid workout times, and everything in between. Your cruiser will be pretty new except for a few exceptions I think the guys are all driving 03's or newer. The crime rate is obviously much much much lower than your average IMPD district, which can be a pro or a con depending on what kind of police work you’re interested in. Obviously with the more affluent citizens your calls for service are going to be very annoying at times (lock outs, wanting the police b/c the complaint ant saw a black person, don’t laugh it happens a lot in fishers, lots of alarm runs, since everyone in fishers has an alrm system and they seem to be very careless about accidentally setting it off. ) And you have to remember Fishers is still a very much growing department, in the early 90's they had something of 4 or so officers and now they have almost 100. With that said, the department has experienced your average growing pains. Surprisingly enough they are paid less than IMPD, but many people will argue an IMPD officer has a much more stressful and dangerous day than a Fishers Officer.
As far as IMPD goes, I’m sure you’re well aware of the merger of IPD and the Law Enforcement Division of the MCSD. With that said the moral is very low, this new department has had a lot of problems that are still being worked out and in some cases not worked out. My best friend has been on since 96 and he is driving a 2001 with 145,000 miles....so don’t be expecting new nice equipment from them, you will be provided with the basics and that’s it. .I've heard that there is a huge manpower shortage, officers are driving from Broad Ripple all the way to the geist area just to take runs b/c there aren’t enough officers. Sounds like this is slowly getting better, they are finding some ways to address that shortage. I have another friend who is only 24 and he loves it, no moral problem with him, he likes staying busy and doesn't mind driving all over to take runs, most of his co-workers don’t feel the same as him. If you want a take home car you have to stay in Marion County and if you have kids, its not the best place to raise kids or have kids go to school. IMPD is a much more diverse department than Fishers, after a few years on the street you can go so many places that Fishers couldn’t offer to you….Homicide & Robbery, Mounted Patrol, Traffic Branch, tactical air patrol, Vice, SLED, K9, scuba, the list goes on and on. Yah, on Fishers you can do some of this stuff but you can’t have that be your job, sure you might investigate a robbery or do some undercover work but you can’t concentrate on that specialty alone.

I think it will come down to what you want to do and where you want to live.
I tried to stay the most unbiased as possible, but if I was in your shoes I would pick Metro. Just me though!
Good Luck, either way.

MidCareer
09-27-2007, 09:51 PM
Operator48......I'm going to commend you on this post. Very informative, and unlike your past posts in regards to other departments vs. IPD/IMPD, you gave a VERY good comparison. Good job. Don't think anything else needs to be said. You've covered it all.

So duke76, like he said, what kida cop you wanna be?

duke76
09-27-2007, 10:51 PM
I just want to be a cop, but when I do pick a place I want to stay there for the remainder of my career. I want to enjoy my job wherever I go. I just know whenever I've been in contact with Fishers PD they seem to really like their job. However, as operator48 said the moral at IMPD doesn't seem to be positive from my contact with their officers. And I know just a couple of years ago Indianapolis was on a hiring freeze and I just don't see that type of money problem occuring in Fishers. I'm going for a ride-a-long with Fishers this weekend. So hopefully I'll get a glance of their daily activities. When you ask what kind of cop do I want to be what exactly do you mean? Operator48, you said that personally you would choose IMPD. Is that due to the number and type of calls?

RedWhite&Blue82
09-28-2007, 12:38 AM
"what kind of cop" means do you want to be super active on call volume and experience a lot of things?(IMPD) Or do you want to have a low call volume and not have as big of a work load?(fishers)

operator48
09-28-2007, 12:55 AM
I just want to be a cop, but when I do pick a place I want to stay there for the remainder of my career. I want to enjoy my job wherever I go. I just know whenever I've been in contact with Fishers PD they seem to really like their job. However, as operator48 said the moral at IMPD doesn't seem to be positive from my contact with their officers. And I know just a couple of years ago Indianapolis was on a hiring freeze and I just don't see that type of money problem occuring in Fishers. I'm going for a ride-a-long with Fishers this weekend. So hopefully I'll get a glance of their daily activities. When you ask what kind of cop do I want to be what exactly do you mean? Operator48, you said that personally you would choose IMPD. Is that due to the number and type of calls?

My first question is are you young? If you are young and gun-ho I still think IMPD is for you. If you are older it may be a different story. I said I would pick IMPD because if I was young and just getting into the business I would want to work where there is action and the action is exciting. You have to remember IMPD is in a big transition faze right now, the department is only 9 months old. And I promise you IMPD will not be in any hiring freeze anytime soon, they need a lot of officers and they have a lot of officers retiring. Don't let what some IMPD officers have to say influence you too much. A lot of guys/gals were really emotionally hurt by this merger. County guys had lived for county, there co-workers had been killed wearing brown; it was hard for them to change. And the same for IPD officers. That "IPD" or Police-Community Partnership meant a lot to us in a different sense than just words on a police car.
I definitely would NOT turn down IMPD if you do not have your conditional offer with Fishers yet, you could really regret that down the road if you weren’t picked by FPD.
PM me the name of the officer you ride with on Saturday, I probably know him.
Again, Best of Luck.

CruiserClass
09-28-2007, 09:48 AM
Just a few things to add.
1) IMPD doesn't have SCUBA any longer, it went to IFD.

2) Morale isn't a universal and is very officer dependent. Some guys are bent out of shape, some feel legitimately screwed, some will complain regardless, and some are pretty positive about the merger. I don't know the percentages, and don't care. At least they are complaining, if you were in the military you probably learned that complaining soldiers aren't a problem because at least they still care even if they don't like the current situation, its the silent brooding soldiers that are your problem. I feel like I've been well received by both ex-county and ex-city guys, personally.

navy80
09-28-2007, 03:04 PM
If I was you I would go with IMPD because you havent got a offer from Fishers yet. Worst case scenario is you turn down IMPD to go with Fishers and they dont hire you. So the safe thing to do is go with IMPD.

Drummadude12
09-28-2007, 05:44 PM
Fishers has some great vehicles yet it is a small town, and it's all up to you. Do you want to work in the city or a subtle town?

3Charles501
09-28-2007, 09:44 PM
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3Charles501
09-28-2007, 09:45 PM
Go IMPD, it's a safe bet, even though you'd have to work with guys like cruiser and make fun of guys like me:-D

duke76
09-28-2007, 10:55 PM
I appreciate all the help you guys have provided. I guess I was hoping for some horrible story from either department to make my decision easy. I'm only 31 so I'm not old, but I'm also not young and looking for action. I would like to stay busy and avoid boredom. The only good thing about possibly losing both IMPD and Fishers is that I'm #1 on Anderson's eligibility list and my first choice, ISP, will start their process at the first of the year. I guess I'm just worried about settling and then regretting my choice. Because once I join a department and they put money into my training I don't think it is right to leave and go somewhere else. I'm going for my ride with Fishers tomorrow. Again thanks for all your advice.

Drummadude12
09-28-2007, 11:35 PM
Cool, I'm going on my first ride with Carmel tomorrow (see avatar) :D. I wouldn't recommend Carmel if you actually want more than traffic stops and domestic disturbances though.

If you really want action then obviously IMPD would be a bit more busy than Fishers. ISP wouldn't be a bad bet either.

duke76
09-29-2007, 12:19 AM
What are you wearing for you ride tomorrow? I have my intial meet and greet with my background investigator right before roll call. I don't know if I should wear a shirt and tie for this meeting or not.

towncop
09-29-2007, 07:39 AM
Carmel Police Department.........those dirty dogs and their visible tattoo policy! Grrrrrrr. :D

CruiserClass
09-29-2007, 11:41 AM
Go IMPD, it's a safe bet, even though you'd have to work with guys like cruiser and make fun of guys like me:-D

Replace "even though" with "especially since" and "have to" with "get the honor to" and you'll feel the love TripleChucky is trying to express.;)

Drummadude12
09-29-2007, 06:17 PM
Heh, Towncop, a sergeant I know worked Undercover Narc with IPD for a while, and he's the only officer allowed to have a visible tatoo. On both arms, nearly down to the elbow. Head of the motor unit.

Duke, I'm a police explorer so I wore a white polyester uniform shirt with blue pants, and a badge.

duke76
10-01-2007, 09:24 PM
Thanks for all your advice. I did a ride along with Officer Rob Thompson in Fishers this weekend and was really impressed. I have decided to take a chance on Fishers. It would allow my family to stay in our current home. If Fishers falls through I still have a chance with a Anderson PD, and I believe ISP will start another process in January. Again, thanks for all the responses.

jeeptavius
10-01-2007, 11:04 PM
Thanks for all your advice. I did a ride along with Officer Rob Thompson in Fishers this weekend and was really impressed. I have decided to take a chance on Fishers. It would allow my family to stay in our current home. If Fishers falls through I still have a chance with a Anderson PD, and I believe ISP will start another process in January. Again, thanks for all the responses.

Wow Duke....

The choice is yours man :)

I just can't imagine almost getting to the end of the IMPD process and then backing out for a "chance" I may get on with Fishers. Lots of guys got cut from this process and would love to be in your situation. :)

I always think of smaller departments like Fishers, good places to retire...but not a good place to start out. Have you ridden with IMPD yet?

I think you should do that before you decide for sure.

You may have been impressed with the gear and things that Fishers has, but I have to think a young guy like you would not spend your career there.

I have ridden with IMPD many times and almost always find myself losing track of time and wishing it wasn't over. I was in Chicago on business and was able to arrange a ride with Naperville PD. Alot like Fishers, real nice area, they had new cars and all the latest gear. Problem was they had nothing to do with it. We took 1 run which was a false alarm, and the rest of the time we ran radar. When he was getting rdy to go eat he asked me if I wanted to stick around, I said "I better head back to my hotel and get some sleep" :)

I had this same conversation over a year ago with Sgt. Kelly from IMPD.
He told me that the opportunities of a large department are endless and smaller departments have a lot more politics than larger departments.

He helped me make the decision to apply with "IPD" at the time, got to the Oral I and got cut. Re-applied with his encouragement and now I am almost to the end like you :)

Like others have said, overall morale is low, but there are people that are just happy to have a job.

As new guys coming out of the academy, we won't know any different. Eventually all the old dogs will be gone and we will be the ones that remember how it was when the departments merged :) If you can form your own opinions and be your own person....I don't hink it will affect you.

Just my 250 cents ;)

indy50
10-02-2007, 04:46 PM
fishers is a great department. while they don't see the same type of calls as Metro does all the time, they do get them occasionally. there are several officers that are much younger than you, and the morale is fantastic.

towncop
10-02-2007, 09:59 PM
Wow Duke....

The choice is yours man :)

I always think of smaller departments like Fishers, good places to retire...but not a good place to start out. Have you ridden with IMPD yet?



I've always pulled for you in this Indy Metro process Jeep, but I think that this is really a very uneducated statement at best. Now I understand that you've ridden with IMPD many, many times. Why would agencies like Fishers NOT be a good place to start out with? Please, do tell.
:confused:

Drummadude12
10-02-2007, 10:04 PM
He's probably thinking that just because Fishers is a town and not a large city, there's not as much going on. I thought that about Carmel, but on just one ride along, I found that it was very busy. For the whole 6 hours, we were going back and forth; 4 lockouts, a few domestic disturbances, one traffic stop, a funeral escort, an accident on 465. It wasn't necessarily the same type of action that IMPD may face, but it was very busy and I wouldn't mind starting out here.

My idea of a place to end my career when I'm old and a veteran would be like the Carmel Clay Schools PD, or any other school department. The officers there are like 55 and veterans.

CavalryK9
10-02-2007, 10:41 PM
It sounds like you made the right choice. Don't let others make decisions for you if Anderson, ISP or fishers is what you'd rather want than by all means don't take IMPD just to to say your a police officer. good luck

jeeptavius
10-03-2007, 11:04 AM
I've always pulled for you in this Indy Metro process Jeep, but I think that this is really a very uneducated statement at best. Now I understand that you've ridden with IMPD many, many times. Why would agencies like Fishers NOT be a good place to start out with? Please, do tell.
:confused:

Hey !!

I never claimed to be an expert...I even said it was my 2 cents :)

"My Opinion" I feel like places like Fishers and other smaller depts. have less action and are good places to retire but not good places for someone to start out. I apologize but it was just my "uneducated" opinion :) Wasn't saying working there made someone any less of an officer or anything like that.

When I rode with the officer in Naperville I felt bad for him, he was a young guy and I felt like he was missing out. The Friday before that I was in the first car in a pursuit of a stolen vehicle with IMPD. I told him the story and he was like wow, we have a no pursuit policy :(

I considered removing my post because after I posted I was thinking...."this is one less person I have to compete with, why am I encouraging him to stay in the process :) "

Please continue to support me Townie, I need all the help I can get ;)

I apologize if I offended anyone.

Ten Six
10-03-2007, 11:42 AM
Those types of comments are to be expected. The majority of U.S. police officers work for “smaller” agencies. Some would argue that an officer with a smaller agency has to be more dexterous as he/she wears many hats-evidence tech, traffic officer, investigator, dispatcher, jailer, etc. A quick check of O.com headlines will show that rural cops see plenty of action; the only question is frequency. Sadly, the officer down section is full of “small town” cops that have given their lives for their community and their country

indy50
10-03-2007, 02:52 PM
while it is true that fishers pd is "small" compared to departments like metro, or state police, fishers pd is rapidly becoming one of the "larger" departments in indiana.

duke76
10-03-2007, 08:13 PM
I know alot of people believe I should start somewhere with more excitement, but I'm 31 years old and I really don't want to start over at a new department 5 or 6 years down the road when I'm ready to start slowing down. I'm looking for a department that will be enjoyable till retirement and I believe Fishers is a better candidate. I don't mind being picky if it's what I really want. But what really helped make my decision was when I was on the ride along, wherever we went people were waving at us. And they were using all their fingers. The community really stands behind the Fishers PD and I believe that to be a very nice work environment.

jeeptavius
10-03-2007, 10:44 PM
I know alot of people believe I should start somewhere with more excitement, but I'm 31 years old and I really don't want to start over at a new department 5 or 6 years down the road when I'm ready to start slowing down. I'm looking for a department that will be enjoyable till retirement and I believe Fishers is a better candidate. I don't mind being picky if it's what I really want. But what really helped make my decision was when I was on the ride along, wherever we went people were waving at us. And they were using all their fingers. The community really stands behind the Fishers PD and I believe that to be a very nice work environment.

Fair enough :) I can see that side of it when you put it that way.

Good luck man!