Moving to Missouri

[PTR-Jason]

Hey all,

I know this should probably be in the Employment section but I posted it here because I wanted people from Missouri to see it.

I am moving from California to Missouri in May, to Lampe, about 30 min from Branson. I am looking at departments in the area, like Branson, Springfield, Neosho, and Joplin.

1. The question I have is what the requirements in MO. are I have called MO POST and they said they do not do lateral transfers, but use a point system. What would be considered for the point system?

2. I am 23, but have been in law enforcement since 1998. I was a police explorer for 4.5 years, worked security for 2 years, and I am currently a Tribal Ranger (Tribal Police basically) on a Federal Indian Reservation. I have worked as a ranger for 3 years. I have a lot of useful knowledge and training I have picked up from my years. I am also going through a 64hour California POST PC 832 course in April. It is the minimum training requirement in California for a Peace Officer, and everyone knows CA has some of the strictest requirements for Peace Officers. I have taken NIMS classes, as well as other training provided by my department.

3. Would a department or the state take my training as experience to use on the point system?

4. Also can anyone recommend some department in the area?

5..Also I know in some states, Sheriff's Departments are pretty much civil officers that run the courts and serve papers, they do not really serve as law enforcement, like respond to calls, and act as primary law enforcement in the county. Is MO like that? In CA Sheriff's Deputies are full officers and patrol any areas that are not incorporated, they respond to calls and do the courts also, but they tend not to serve papers or stuff like that very much.

Thank You all for any help.

[Bearcat357]

1. Point system....? I am from MO and have never heard of a point system that POST uses. Personally, I would call someone there again and see if you could send them all your training certs and if they could figure where you stand and go from there.... POST is very short-handed.....and a couple of the ladies can get surley at times.....so be nice....trust me on that one.... :D

2. In Missouri, the bare minimum for training is 470 hours. So, not sure where you stack up there. See post#1......as POST is going to have the final say if you have enough training or you will be required to go through an academy......

3. I like the Branson PD a lot. They don't get paid a lot (not even sure what it is) but their Chief is a heck of a guy. He rose through the ranks and made Chief a year or so ago. He's trying to get them paid more. They do have nice equipment..... Any of the County SO's would be fine.....but you will have to look around. Some of them are very low paid and only have a couple of Deputies and the Sheriff working the road.

And yes, in MO, County Sheriff's Depts. are full service LE Agencies. But, due to manpower issues, you will probably be limited in what you do as you will be busy with other stuff....like Court.....

If I was to move back to MO and go to the area.....Branson would be tops.....Stone County, Tanney County and Barry County all have SO's. Not sure what towns have PDs as they are all very small......

Joplin and Neosho hire from time-to-time....but not sure when they are hiring again. Both seem like good PDs as well. Not sure how far you are wanting to drive or if they have residency requirements.....

Here is a link the the MO Attorney General's website.....it has a listing/contact for every agency in the state....

http://www.ago.mo.gov/policesheriffs/policesheriffs.htm

[quallze]

I've lived around the Joplin, Mo. area my whole life. I've talked to several of the PD Officers and they seem to be very squared away. Don't know what info you have on the Joplin area but there is alot to keep you busy, LE stuff and family stuff. I think it would be a good place to work.

[BehindBars]

A guy on my dept was certified in Texas and only had to take a test to get his POST certification in Missouri.

BB

[Bearcat357]

A guy on my dept was certified in Texas and only had to take a test to get his POST certification in Missouri.

BB

That's how I have seen it done in the past.....but POST also looks at how many hours you have in LE training and certs. It all has to add up to at least 470 hours for the smaller counties and 600 hours for the counties around KC and STL........

Now, that could have changed since I left there 2 years ago......as I had never heard of the "point system" like the original poster had posted.....

[DesertRat]

It is a point system. You have to go to their web site and down load the application. You then send in the application along with the required documentation and you wait, and wait, and wait, and wait.

Then you call the lady at POST three weeks to a month later and VERY POLITELY ask if they can give you an approximate time as to how long it will take.

They will snap at you.

You will then explain you have an offer from an agency but they need to fill the position soon and it is a plain clothes day shift position just 7 blocks from your house with a take home car instead of the 100+ mile commute you are making in your personal vehicle every day right now and with better insurance but they need to fill the position within two weeks.

The lady will then snap at you again, move your application to the bottom of the pile, and you will wait, and wait, and wait, and wait and the agency wil give the job to someone else.

Several weeks later when you still haven't heard anything some guy will post a message on O.com asking about certification in MO and you will do your best to maintain your diplomatic personality and explain the process to him without displaying even the slightest hint of frustration or bitterness.

I hope that answers some of your questions :)

[Bearcat357]

It is a point system. You have to go to their web site and down load the application. You then send in the application along with the required documentation and you wait, and wait, and wait, and wait.

Then you call the lady at POST three weeks to a month later and VERY POLITELY ask if they can give you an approximate time as to how long it will take.

They will snap at you.

You will then explain you have an offer from an agency but they need to fill the position soon and it is a plain clothes day shift position just 7 blocks from your house with a take home car instead of the 100+ mile commute you are making in your personal vehicle every day right now and with better insurance but they need to fill the position within two weeks.

The lady will then snap at you again, move your application to the bottom of the pile, and you will wait, and wait, and wait, and wait and the agency wil give the job to someone else.

Several weeks later when you still haven't heard anything some guy will post a message on O.com asking about certification in MO and you will do your best to maintain your diplomatic personality and explain the process to him without displaying even the slightest hint of frustration or bitterness.

I hope that answers some of your questions :)


We must have talked to the same people...... :eek: I would toss her name out.....but at this time don't want to go there.

I got into an argument with one of the ladies about training I went to in Iowa. The same course, taught by the same instructor in Missouri (who teaches it for a ton of money at MU) will not tranfer over because it was taught in Iowa... It's the same damn course!! :rolleyes:

My Chief about crapped himself when he stuck his head in my office and figured out who I was talking to in a heated manner......and finally got me to just drop it....as he didn't want them to do something to my status as a LEO....

On a side note, sorry to hear they jacked with you DR. I would suggest calling someone....but not sure whom..... I guess the Director of DPS might do...?

[BehindBars]

The part about waiting is right. It took the guy I work with nearly a year. And to cap it off to take the test he had to go to Jeff City. Luckily we are in the jail where he could work as a civilian or deputy.

BB

[glock17guy]

Hey all,

I know this should probably be in the Employment section but I posted it here because I wanted people from Missouri to see it.

I am moving from California to Missouri in May, to Lampe, about 30 min from Branson. I am looking at departments in the area, like Branson, Springfield, Neosho, and Joplin.

1. The question I have is what the requirements in MO. are I have called MO POST and they said they do not do lateral transfers, but use a point system. What would be considered for the point system?

2. I am 23, but have been in law enforcement since 1998. I was a police explorer for 4.5 years, worked security for 2 years, and I am currently a Tribal Ranger (Tribal Police basically) on a Federal Indian Reservation. I have worked as a ranger for 3 years. I have a lot of useful knowledge and training I have picked up from my years. I am also going through a 64hour California POST PC 832 course in April. It is the minimum training requirement in California for a Peace Officer, and everyone knows CA has some of the strictest requirements for Peace Officers. I have taken NIMS classes, as well as other training provided by my department.

3. Would a department or the state take my training as experience to use on the point system?

4. Also can anyone recommend some department in the area?

5..Also I know in some states, Sheriff's Departments are pretty much civil officers that run the courts and serve papers, they do not really serve as law enforcement, like respond to calls, and act as primary law enforcement in the county. Is MO like that? In CA Sheriff's Deputies are full officers and patrol any areas that are not incorporated, they respond to calls and do the courts also, but they tend not to serve papers or stuff like that very much.

Thank You all for any help.


I have lived in springfield my whole life... I have been active in tactical shooting groups made up of area LE in this area and work for a county juvenile detention center... I also am friends with many officers from all over the area. So I can cover most of your questions

1. POST in Missouri is a major deal. All officers must have 470 class B Cert. If you want to work for Springfield, You must go to their academy, which is state certified, and will give you a class A. Most other departments in SW MO are open to any POST officers.

2. I really dont know on this but, Sheriff Hill in Stone County, next to Branson, is on the POST Board of Directors.

3. ?

4. I can say that Springfield is a good department with issues in the micromanaging city manager.. that being said they are needed over 70 officers right now and are losing 20 a year, so they are hiring. Greene County Sheriffs office is my personal choice, I know the road guys and some detectives and even the chief and sheriff.... All of them are out to stop crime in Greene County, its a great department.. Stone and Taney are good counties too.. they are smaller but still have a lot of action with a good tax base... The cities in this area are small compared to Springfield.. I know that Joplin is hiring right now and is a fast paced department. Neosho just had two officers shot in the line of duty.. they are going to live, but it is small department. Most towns in this area have 2-3 man departments.. but there is still Nixa and Ozark, which have about 35 officers. Beware of the really small counties, sometimes they have only 5 officers in patrol division and do not have 24 hour road coverage.. they use the State patrol for LE on midnights.... This being said their are LE jobs in this area, if you want to work for a city, Springfield has crime and some gang activity and a daytime population if 300,000 but only 350 cops!!!! Polk and Dallas counties are north of springfield but have good departments.

5. What one of the other posters stated might not be true.. most of the Sheriff departments have a unit that is tasked with civil work and court stuff... most area departmetns are the main law enforcement in the county.. covering large areas with very few officers.. Greene has a court security unit, Patrol- with 40 officers and a civil unit that has 7 full authority officers
+ detectives , narc, warrants, and jail. most counties are focused on LE road work in this area.

[Bearcat357]

5. What one of the other posters stated might not be true.. most of the Sheriff departments have a unit that is tasked with civil work and court stuff... most area departmetns are the main law enforcement in the county.. covering large areas with very few officers.. Greene has a court security unit, Patrol- with 40 officers and a civil unit that has 7 full authority officers
+ detectives , narc, warrants, and jail. most counties are focused on LE road work in this area.


I know guys/gals that work in the smaller SO's that he's talking about South of you along the MO/AR boarder. They are not blessed like Greene County is. They have to do a bit of everything......including Court, Warrants, Road, etc......

A couple of those counties only have the Sheriff and a few Deputies.....and that's it.

As for POST....it's already been stated by Desert Rat (who is over on the STL side of the state trying to get his stuff transfered over from Vegas PD) that you can challenge POST if you have enough hours. He's got to send his stuff in....and see what the bitchy ladies at POST have to say about it.....

You might want to check your info about Hill....as he's no longer on the POST Board. Sheriff Steve Bruce (Polk County) represents the area now....

http://www.dps.mo.gov/POST/Main/CongressionalDistOutline.htm


Here's the Link with Contact Info for MO POST....

http://www.dps.mo.gov/POST/Main/Staff.htm

[DesertRat]

Sure, right after I go and say bad things one of the ladies calls me and was wonderfully pleasant and I'm scheduled for the written exam next week. I wonder what that bad Karma is going to bring me :)

[Bearcat357]

Sure, right after I go and say bad things one of the ladies calls me and was wonderfully pleasant and I'm scheduled for the written exam next week. I wonder what that bad Karma is going to bring me :)

I got chills up my spine when I posted the POST link.....as I saw her name........ :eek:

Good luck.....I had some real dumb asses in my class pass it...plus I got a 93 on it....so it's not that hard......

[PTR-Jason]

Sure, right after I go and say bad things one of the ladies calls me and was wonderfully pleasant and I'm scheduled for the written exam next week. I wonder what that bad Karma is going to bring me :)


Good luck I hope all turns out.


I will print out the app and send it in to POST and see what I can get back from them. In the mean time I will start sending my apps out to some departments, one or two for now, and see what comes from them. If they say my stuff will not work for post, but I can go through their hiring process, and they want to send me to the academy, that will work too.

I would not mind working for a small department, they can teach me stuff, and I can bring experience from California to the table with them.

The down side is I only had about 2 months notice before we found out we are moving, so its not like it was planned I was able to go through a process with a department, and have a job lined up out there. I see me working security or something for a year while I go through a process, in the very near future, anyone know some good security companies? lol I do not want to work security again, but the plus side would be I would get to know the MO (or AR) laws and also get to know the officers/deputies in the area, and find out about the departments.

[glock17guy]

Ok.. So Hill is now gone, I stand corrected.. However, Many smaller departments like Barry and ozark use Reserves to do a lot of civil stuff... mainly because they are the THE LE agency for the county along with MSHP

[Bearcat357]

I see me working security or something for a year while I go through a process, in the very near future, anyone know some good security companies?

Your going to have to go hang out in the bigger cities like Branson, Neosho, Springfield, Carthage, Joplin, etc.....to find most of the security gigs.....

I would suspect that the smaller towns are like the smaller towns up North and don't have much to offer security wise....

There are a ton of factory's in the area....you might want to check into those.....

[DesertRat]

Update on the POST reciprocity. I drove up to Jefferson City and took the exam. Once I took it they scored it immediately and handed me the certification on the spot so that was a very nice surprise. So now I'm officialy certified in MO.

[Bearcat357]

Update on the POST reciprocity. I drove up to Jefferson City and took the exam. Once I took it they scored it immediately and handed me the certification on the spot so that was a very nice surprise. So now I'm officialy certified in MO.

Congrats.....

[PTR-Jason]

Sweet, congrats. I HOPE they will take my experience, almsot 10 years into account, even though none of it was sworn. But I will be POST certified, to the min. training requirement in CA, so that may help. But I doubt it.

I didnt know that something like that would be so fast, again congrats!

[PTR-Jason]

I may try to get on with the Highway Patrol now. I am moving to Lampe and the closest towns in any direction are 35 minutes, and one is in Berryville Ark.

Does the Highway Patrol send you anywhere you are needed or do they keep you near your home? Moving will NOT be an option so I do not want to apply anywhere if I can be sent anywhere in the state.

I am going to check out Branson West, Kimberling, Stone and Berry County, and then Berryville Ark, and Carrol County Ark.


I will no longer have my POST class, mess up on my part, I did not see a class on a Saturday, and ended up missing it when I had to make a move to MO. I setup the move so it would be between the classes, but did not see the one on Sat. You are only allowed to miss like 5% which is like half a class.

I guess I will try to get on with a department that will send me through an academy.

[Bearcat357]

Does the Highway Patrol send you anywhere you are needed or do they keep you near your home? Moving will NOT be an option so I do not want to apply anywhere if I can be sent anywhere in the state.


This just came out. MSHP is now letting recruits pick where they want to be stationed at and they will try to get them there as best they can. Use to be you were sent to the needs of the Patrol and never where you came from.....

Also....at anytime you can get sent to anywhere in the State.....based on the Patrol needs.....

Plus, if you want to get promoted, you have to move as well.

I would get with MO Trooper and play 20 questions with him.......




Patrol Announces Change To Assigning New Troopers
NEWS RELEASE

For further information please contact: Capt. J. Tim Hull
(573) 526-6115
Q3072
March 2, 2007
EMPHASIS: Patrol Announces Change To Assigning New Troopers

Colonel James F. Keathley, superintendent of the Missouri State Highway Patrol, is pleased to announce the following change to assigning new troopers:

Beginning with the 87th Recruit Class, the Missouri State Highway Patrol will offer trooper applicants the option of selecting the location of their first (road) assignment. New Patrol recruits who are successful in the selection process, and finish the required Academy training, will be able to work and live in an area of their choice. These preferred assignments will be offered on a trial basis throughout the state.

Until this recruit class, in its nearly 76 years of existence, the Missouri State Highway Patrol has required new officers to agree to relocate anywhere in the state of Missouri upon graduation from the Academy. The new program is designed to recruit individuals who may have chosen not to apply to the Missouri State Highway Patrol because of the need to relocate, many times requiring a spouse to find new employment and children to change schools.

Colonel James F. Keathley initiated the change to provide more flexibility to people who are otherwise motivated to join one of the best law enforcement agencies in the nation.

http://notes.mshp.dps.mo.gov/si01/si01p001.nsf/b60fc80f6fe8a3418625725a00601e22/cadc7b083749cc3d8625728e005afeca?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,recruit

[ray8285]

When I was in the service we had the same thing. We called it a DREAM SHEET. There was a reason for that, you would only get your preferred assingnment in your dreams. The only way a new ticket writer:) will get to go where they want is if there is a current opening. Most of the larger metropolitan areas (where the fun is) are fully staffed.

[glock17guy]

I might be wrong but, I do not think it is like a dream sheet. I was talking to a Friend of mine, a sarg at the academy, the other day about this. He stated that all new hires will be able to pick which troop they are going to work in. But, if that troop is full they get to pick another. All will know where they are going to work before they go to the academy. Also, The larger areas ie troop A, C, and D are the ones that almost all new guys go to right now. I might be wrong but If you look at the last few academy grads and where they went, the majority go to A and c.. or KC and STL. These areas are where they need guys the most I would think...

I know you are just joking in calling the Ticket writers but these guys go through one of the harshest and best academies in the nation

[ray8285]

Yes, I am joking. I get along very well with all of our troopers, they are great guys. We see few rookies in Clay. Jackson which is the HQ around here may have more of them. For several years the MSHP has been running short on troopers. I know some of the guys from here went on to federal work.

Dream sheet is the same thing. You have a first choice, second choice and third choice. If the first is unavailable you get the second, if the second is unavailable you get the third.

If I was going MSHP I would want a more rural zone. Those troopers spend as much time on traffic as they do on criminal cases. The local PD's and SO's are so small the MSHP becomes the defacto LE in the area.

[glock17guy]

I agree, the rural zones are full of action, just like the big cities. In the rural areas, Troopers are sometimes the only LE on duty for the whole county, some sheriffs departments are not 24-7 patrol. In these areas the Trooper works radio calls and also investigates crimes, along with traffic work.In areas like Greene, Jackson, and St. Louis County, they work mostly traffic

[Bearcat357]

If I was going MSHP I would want a more rural zone. Those troopers spend as much time on traffic as they do on criminal cases. The local PD's and SO's are so small the MSHP becomes the defacto LE in the area.

Same here....as you would be doing more than just working traffic in a lot of rural areas. You would be humping calls with the SO and backing up some of the city guys/gals since there are so few people there working LE.

Some of the small towns only have a Chief and maybe one or two full time officers....same with SOs......

[PTR-Jason]

UPDATE - I turned in my resume and application to two departments in Arkansas, one an SO and the other a PD, last week. I got a call today from the Chief of the PD, and have an interview tomorrow. So I KNOW all will go well. It's a small town along the AR/MO border in NW AR.

[PTR-Jason]

Went to the interview today... He said he has to looking to working in one state, and living in another, but it looks promising. He is seemed concerned that the only ties I have to the area is my Fiance, and if she looses her job than I would have no place to live, and we would have to move. But that is not likely. The people she works for love us, so no worries there, plues I love it out here, I would just see if I could get a house out here. I want to stay out here no matter what.

I think he wants me, at least it seemed that way, but said it is not up to him, he lets his supervisors decided on who gets hired, becasue HE does not work with the patrol staff, they do. Which I thought was cool. Its a small dept only 10 officers.

He pretty much told me that I would be working night shift, and I would be assigned a unit, not a take home, but assigned none the less, and I think it would be a 1998 CVPI as he said it was the oldest they have. He also said that I would have to go through the academy a min of 3 months, then I will be a "trained officer" then after a year I will be certified.

But it all depends on if the state line is a problem, but if it depends on residency, I have a PO box in the state, so I can always get a AR state license, based on the PO Box, I have seen it done before, so I am hoping that will be the Loop Hole if it comes down to it.

I looked up on the Commissions website today, and there is no requirement that states that I have to live in the state. It also says that I have to have a Valid Drivers License, not even mentioning that I have to have one ISSUED from THAT STATE. So it looks pretty good so far, I just hope my credit will not be an issue, but people make mistakes, and I am still paying for them, but in time.....

Here is the website...http://www.clest.org/regulation_1002.html

But for now, it seems like I maybe in, just have to go for another interview infront of the "board" of other officers and do background.

ALL equipment is issued, from uniforms, belts, gear, and firearms, which is suprising seeing how it is a very small department.

[PTR-Jason]

Went for another interview today, and got hired. I love the area and it is a great state. Also GREAT people to work with.

[cmv_5]

good job and always be safe

[PTR-Jason]

Thanks, I am alreayd out on patrol, but not alone yet. Just have to learn the city better, and learn the ARK laws, but they are similar to the CA laws.

[rlgsmg3798]

It looks like the Raytown police website is under construction. Does anyone know anything about this department.
Do they require college credits?
Are they hiring or do they hire often?
Pay?
Have they ever lost any officers in the line of duty?

[ray8285]

It looks like the Raytown police website is under construction. Does anyone know anything about this department.
Do they require college credits?
Are they hiring or do they hire often?
Pay?
Have they ever lost any officers in the line of duty?

Look up the cities website and check HR. They are a pretty good dept. compared to some of the others around here.

How long have you lived in sewer city? I graduated from North in 84.

[rlgsmg3798]

Thanks. The HR link worked but not hiring officers right now. I clicked on employemt and that link is broken. I will check back soon. My wife and I visited Worlds of Fun with some friends last week and liked the area. We stayed in Raytown which is where our friends parents lived happened to live. Looks like a pretty decent area and I am assuming working for that PD would be a little safer for someone wanting to get started in this field.

I have lived in Sioux City my whole life. I graduated form West in 95. I would prefer to go with Sioux City PD but the 60 credit hours are a problem. I have wanted to be an officer most of my life but backed out of it when I got married and had kids. I regret that situation now because it is nearly impossible to work full time and go to class full time with having a family and a huge pile of bills. I am planning on taking classes still but a few at a time so that could be awhile. I am 30 which is of course fairly young but want to get started soon. I am a reserve deputy for Woodbury and they dont require credits for a full time deputy but they only hire maybe 1 or 2 a year it seems so that could be an eternity in itself.

Did you start in MO?

[ignignokt373]

Raytown use to be a craphole and the guys/gals on the job there were like IPD and didn't take any crap.

As I re-call, they weren't paid quite as much as IPD, Lee's Summit, Grandview, or Blue Springs.

That's been 2 years since I was in KC. Not sure what's going on now. I would suggest trying to find an Officer (if you live in the area) and ask them.

If I was going to work on that side of the City, I would go with IPD or Grandview. Lee's Summit would be up there as well.

[ray8285]

Did you start in MO?

I'm originally from here. My parents moved to Iowa when I was a kid. I ended going to Wayne State after a stint in the service and came home to MO after graduation.

[ray8285]

Raytown use to be a craphole and the guys/gals on the job there were like IPD and didn't take any crap.

As I re-call, they weren't paid quite as much as IPD, Lee's Summit, Grandview, or Blue Springs.

That's been 2 years since I was in KC. Not sure what's going on now. I would suggest trying to find an Officer (if you live in the area) and ask them.

If I was going to work on that side of the City, I would go with IPD or Grandview. Lee's Summit would be up there as well.

Best bet for pay and conditions would be Blue Springs or Lee's Summit on the Missouri side. In JoCo Ks, pick any department. They all pay well and have pretty good conditions. Olathe has some bad areas but even those aren't really "bad".

Also, you might consider hiring on any one of the departments and look to transfer to one more to your liking.

[ignignokt373]

Best bet for pay and conditions would be Blue Springs or Lee's Summit on the Missouri side. In JoCo Ks, pick any department. They all pay well and have pretty good conditions. Olathe has some bad areas but even those aren't really "bad".

Also, you might consider hiring on any one of the departments and look to transfer to one more to your liking.

Grandview is paying well now days and have a ton of toys.

I have heard that BS and LS have had some issues with morale but not sure how true that is as I haven't been in the area in a while.

IPD is always hiring and they don't take crap from anyone.

[ray8285]

Grandview is paying well now days and have a ton of toys.

I have heard that BS and LS have had some issues with morale but not sure how true that is as I haven't been in the area in a while.

IPD is always hiring and they don't take crap from anyone.

BS is on a long slow downhill slide right now. Their new chief is more into being PC than hiring people to get the job done. I know some of the people they have hired recently and several who didn't get on. Female is tops on the list. Not bashing lady LEO's but if they have 5 openings, 3 are going to go to females. I know a couple who have been hired and they are not exactly who I would want on any call let alone a fight call.

I took the DRE class at LS a couple of years ago and they were riding pretty high. Of course that was a couple of years ago:D

Grandview is great for pay and a lot of action. Basically a smaller version of KCPD east patrol. Belton is about the same but with less pay.

[Bearcat357]

I worked with a guy that was asked to leave our agncy for doing a whole bunch of suspect stuff on/off duty (not enough to get arrested but shady enough to be told to leave) and went to BS.....:eek:

I saw that LS is having issues with the LEO who's wife passed due to not letting her have health care.......:rolleyes:

I have a classmate and an Academy Instructor at Grandview.....and they love it. The classmate is on a bike and the Instructor just made SGT......

I've got two buddies at Belton....they like it...get good equipment....are happy with the pay but are looking to go to IPD because there is no (or very limited) promotion/special areas mobility.....

Got a ton of folks that work IPD.....and they love it. Mills lets them do a lot.... :D

[ray8285]

I've got two buddies at Belton....they like it...get good equipment....are happy with the pay but are looking to go to IPD because there is no (or very limited) promotion/special areas mobility.....



We hired a reserve who was at Belton, he went into construction full time, better $$$. He said the same thing, it's a great place to work but because of the size of the dept. there is little chance for promotion.

[MO Trooper]

Mills lets them do a lot.... :D

I worked for Chief Mills when he was our Colonel and I know several guys at IPD. It really surprised me to hear that just letting guys go out and work and backing them up when they are right (or not too wrong) are such foreign concepts in so many metro PD's. I guess the MSHP has definately spoiled me in that regard.

[NBW791]

I guess the MSHP has definately spoiled me in that regard.

So true, so true. The cities seem to have more at stake if they **** off people by allowing their cops to be cops, so they just don't take the risk.

[Bearcat357]

We hired a reserve who was at Belton, he went into construction full time, better $$$. He said the same thing, it's a great place to work but because of the size of the dept. there is little chance for promotion.

Hmmm....I will have to ask..... I haven't talked to anyone there in a while.....Have to see who that was.......

[Bearcat357]

I worked for Chief Mills when he was our Colonel and I know several guys at IPD. It really surprised me to hear that just letting guys go out and work and backing them up when they are right (or not too wrong) are such foreign concepts in so many metro PD's. I guess the MSHP has definately spoiled me in that regard.

Try doing what they do at KCPD...... Uncle Jim will fire you in a heartbeat just to save his own butt.... :rolleyes:

Heard the new (he's been there about two years now) Chief at Riverside protects his folks well..... He's ex-KCPD....and that kinda surprises me....but that's good to hear.....

[ignignokt373]

Try doing what they do at KCPD...... Uncle Jim will fire you in a heartbeat just to save his own butt.... :rolleyes:

Ha! See there is no love lost there. :D

He's something alright. :rolleyes: