1811 - Oig

[Up_On_Base]

Do all 1811 OIG's get a take home g-ride? Does it depend on the parent agency?

I know they get LEAP but what is the retirement? 20 or 25?

Thanks.

[tua]

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[GB0610]

its 20 years, but the earliest you can get out if at the age of 50. Or, after 25 years at any age.

[SA13]

Most 1811s, including those with OIGs, get the "6c" retirement which requires a minimum of 20 years in a "6c" covered job, before age 57. 6c covered retirement requires the employee retire no earlier than age 50, or they can retire at any age if they have 25 years of service.

"Take home" G-rides will vary from agency to agency, and there are 1811s with agencies that are not OIGs that also do not get "take homes."

This is true of things other than G-rides. Most things vary greatly from agency to agency, OIG or not.

[GoldBadge]

I haven't heard of any OIG 1811's w/o take home cars. I think GSA OIG was one of the last to get one.

OIG's generally look for experienced 1811's to fill their ranks. They would have a very difficult time attracting experienced agents if the didn't offer a take home car, which is now considered a very basic benefit.

[FedIG]

I haven't heard of any OIG 1811's w/o take home cars. I think GSA OIG was one of the last to get one.

OIG's generally look for experienced 1811's to fill their ranks. They would have a very difficult time attracting experienced agents if the didn't offer a take home car, which is now considered a very basic benefit.


There are many OIG's, especially the small ones like mine, that do not have take homes. Even some larger ones, like HHS OIG, have assigned cars, but not take homes unless going direct to the field on cases by case basis. Off the top of my head HUD, AG, DCIS, and VA have take homes, but not Treasury OIG (which was basically gutted after 9-11 to start Homeland Security OIG). The smaller OIG's usually cover large parts if not the entire U.S. from a single location and must fly to their destinations and rent a car, eliminating the need for a take home. Cars are available for local cases at the office.

[GoldBadge]

There are many OIG's, especially the small ones like mine, that do not have take homes. Even some larger ones, like HHS OIG, have assigned cars, but not take homes unless going direct to the field on cases by case basis. Off the top of my head HUD, AG, DCIS, and VA have take homes, but not Treasury OIG (which was basically gutted after 9-11 to start Homeland Security OIG). The smaller OIG's usually cover large parts if not the entire U.S. from a single location and must fly to their destinations and rent a car, eliminating the need for a take home. Cars are available for local cases at the office.

I'm not disputing you, I've just never heard of any that didn't. I know that TIGTA, SSA, Labor, and DOJ definitely have take home cars. I believe DHS as well.

[Up_On_Base]

I haven't heard of any OIG 1811's w/o take home cars. I think GSA OIG was one of the last to get one.

OIG's generally look for experienced 1811's to fill their ranks. They would have a very difficult time attracting experienced agents if the didn't offer a take home car, which is now considered a very basic benefit.

Thanks for the info guys! I spoke with the recruiter for the OIG that I applied and she claimed they prefer people who already completed CITP but the fact I did the FLETC mixed basic program and my other training w/ USSS-UD it should not hurt my chances too much. The position I applied for is an entry level 1811, hopefully something will work out.

[keydet]

Having spent the last 15 years as a Fed, I can attest to the fact that not all IG's, nor non-IG Fed agencies, have take-homes. Many IG's, such as Postal IG, do indeed have G-cars, but it depends on the size and budget of the IG, and in large part, who the present agency Inspector General is at the time. G-cars are like promises - there's no guarantee they'll last, and they can come and go on the whim of the newly appointed IG.

Many larger, non-IG investigative agencies are in the same boat. NCIS has takehomes for members of their major crime response teams and afloat agents, but none for the common crim. street agent - most of them share pool cars.

If you're seeking a federal career and want to be a cuff slapping, criminal busting Fed, IG isn't the place for you. Gotta remember - IG's primarily focus on fraud, waste and abuse. They have as many administrative cases as they do criminal cases, and jurisdiction is generally limited to employees within the respective agency. For those of us who've gotten our share of being "cops" at other federal agencies before coming to the IG, it's a welcome change of pace, and a good paycheck. Generally an easier lifestyle, less stressful lifestyle. Sure, the crim cases are still there, but it aint the ATF or ICE or NCIS or FBI. IG's serve a vital function and do indeed prosecute many of their cases, but you won't be busting down the doors very often. More often than not, you'll be reading your suspect their Kalkines rights instead of Miranda, with job termination as your most likely outcome. If you can deal with this, the IG community is a good deal. If you gotta be Johnny Cop and kick down doors, look at DEA, then come back to the IG community once you've had your fill of being on the street. Good luck

[SA13]

. . . and jurisdiction is generally limited to employees within the respective agency. Well this is not true for many OIGs, like the ones whose parent agencies administer benefit programs, such as SSA/OIG, HUD/OIG, Ed/OIG, USDA/OIG, etc. The agents I know who work for those OIGs do the majority of their cases involving people outside the parent agency commiting crimes that affect the programs they administer.

[Bearcat357]

We do have a HUD OIG SA on here....maybe he will show back up when time allows and post.....

From talking to him.....he works the ghetto of LA and loves it.....and does a lot more than the typical OIG SA does.....

[Washingtonian]

Can anybody say definitively, is the '6c' retirement 2.5 percent per year? Meaning after 20 years, you can get out at 50 percent, as long as you're old enough? Or is it 2 percent, and you get 50 percent after 25 years? Amazingly, I get mixed replies from people who are/were in the system, they don't seem to really know...

Also, since take home cars are being discussed, does anyone know if DOT SA's get them?

[GB0610]

Neither. 6c is 1.75% after 20 years of service, getting out no earlier than the age of 50. OR, at any age after 25 years of service. 57 being the age cap and the age you must retire.

[Up_On_Base]

We do have a HUD OIG SA on here....maybe he will show back up when time allows and post.....

From talking to him.....he works the ghetto of LA and loves it.....and does a lot more than the typical OIG SA does.....

Anyone know anything positive/negative about USAID OIG? My brother applied, he is looking for travel and adventure, seems like they got places all over the world.

Living in Europe is one thing, I would not be too excited about Iraq or SE Asia.

[SA13]

Can anybody say definitively, is the '6c' retirement 2.5 percent per year? Meaning after 20 years, you can get out at 50 percent, as long as you're old enough? Or is it 2 percent, and you get 50 percent after 25 years? Amazingly, I get mixed replies from people who are/were in the system, they don't seem to really know...

Also, since take home cars are being discussed, does anyone know if DOT SA's get them?Under the current FERS system, it's 1.7% per year for the first 20 years of 6c covered time, for 34% after 20. Each additional year, whether it's 6c covered time or not, is an additional 1%.

For example when I'm eligible to retire I'll have 29 years of time (20 6c years, plus 9 years non-6c years), and will get 43%, if I go out when I turn 57 I'll have 33 years of time, and will get 47%.

http://www.opm.gov/asd/hod/pdf/C054.pdf
See page 12.

New employees are no longer eligible for CSRS, and therefore the FERS calculations apply.

[Washingtonian]

Thanks for the info GBO610 and SA13. That's very enlightening, the way everyone raves about 6c I thought it was a lot better.

[SA13]

Thanks for the info GBO610 and SA13. That's very enlightening, the way everyone raves about 6c I thought it was a lot better.It is a lot better. A federal employee that is not in a 6c covered job would need to work 34 years to get a 34% annuity, v. 20 years for the 6c covered employee to get 34%. If the 6 covered employee decided to work 34 years, they'd get 48%. That's a huge difference.

Also, both 6c and non-6c employees are entitled to participate in the Thrift Savings Program, which functions like a 401k plan. Any fed employee who does not agressively use the TSP is a fool.

[GoldBadge]

Anyone know anything positive/negative about USAID OIG? My brother applied, he is looking for travel and adventure, seems like they got places all over the world.

Living in Europe is one thing, I would not be too excited about Iraq or SE Asia.

They travel extensively and can be sent anywhere in the world where US aid is sent. Not too much aid goes to Europe so don't count on spending too much time there, but a lot of aid gets sent to some pretty remote places.

[Washingtonian]

It is a lot better. A federal employee that is not in a 6c covered job would need to work 34 years to get a 34% annuity, v. 20 years for the 6c covered employee to get 34%. If the 6 covered employee decided to work 34 years, they'd get 48%. That's a huge difference.

Also, both 6c and non-6c employees are entitled to participate in the Thrift Savings Program, which functions like a 401k plan. Any fed employee who does not agressively use the TSP is a fool.

I meant I thought it was a lot better than it really is, I know that it's a lot better than federal non-6c retirement, that's what I have. But 20 years at around 35 percent isn't great, especially compared to many local PD's. It's not BAD, trust me, i'd rather have 6c, but I have people telling me "you have to go somewhere else so you get 6c!" even if it means taking a huge pay cut and going to a job I like a lot less. It's just not worth it.

[GB0610]

No your right. Most local PD's have a much better retirement program. But due to their exceptional programs, many cities, San Diego for example, are going under. Not to say its the norm, but it still is an issue.

But ya, overall, you will walk with more in retirement with local PD, but most will make you work 25 to 30 years a aposed to 20 with 6c.

[SA13]

I meant I thought it was a lot better than it really is, I know that it's a lot better than federal non-6c retirement, that's what I have. But 20 years at around 35 percent isn't great, especially compared to many local PD's. It's not BAD, trust me, i'd rather have 6c, but I have people telling me "you have to go somewhere else so you get 6c!" even if it means taking a huge pay cut and going to a job I like a lot less. It's just not worth it.Keep in mind it's 34% of your 3 high years of tenure, including LEAP (or OT if you get it), and locality pay, and many fed jobs pay VERY well. For example a SA (1811) in most agencies who does his last three years in Tacoma, WA and never takes a supervisory position will be making $129,013 per year (GS-13 step 10 with LEAP). Good pay, no matter how you look at it.

So after 25 years of service, and those last three years at that pay, the retirement annuity would be .39 x 129,013 = 50,315. That is before any Social Security Benefits, or pay outs from the TSP. This is also cost of living adjusted each year, which many local agency retirement plans do not include. I've also seen many local plans that do not include OT pay in calculating their retirement.

There are many well paid state and local LEOs, with good retirement plans, but I don't know many that earn six figures per year by their 5th or 6th year without working tons of OT AND tons of off-duty. The OT may or may not count for the retirement annuities, but the off-duty certainly does not.

[Washingtonian]

Keep in mind it's 34% of your 3 high years of tenure, including LEAP (or OT if you get it), and locality pay, and many fed jobs pay VERY well. For example a SA (1811) in most agencies who does his last three years in Tacoma, WA and never takes a supervisory position will be making $129,013 per year (GS-13 step 10 with LEAP). Good pay, no matter how you look at it.

So after 25 years of service, and those last three years at that pay, the retirement annuity would be .39 x 129,013 = 50,315. That is before any Social Security Benefits, or pay outs from the TSP. This is also cost of living adjusted each year, which many local agency retirement plans do not include. I've also seen many local plans that do not include OT pay in calculating their retirement.

There are many well paid state and local LEOs, with good retirement plans, but I don't know many that earn six figures per year by their 5th or 6th year without working tons of OT AND tons of off-duty. The OT may or may not count for the retirement annuities, but the off-duty certainly does not.

Good points, I didn't realize they factored in LEAP/OT to the retirement, that definitely sweetens it. Thanks for the info.

[SoCalFed]

Do all 1811 OIG's get a take home g-ride? Does it depend on the parent agency?

I know they get LEAP but what is the retirement? 20 or 25?

Thanks.


The lovely take home car "g-ride" question. As most others have said, generally most have it, but some don't. I know in Southern California almost every OIG has take home rides except Education OIG. Also there is alot of turnover at Education OIG, as many people get on board to get CITP under their belt and then move on to greener pastures.

Around this neck of the woods alot of people have jumped ship from various traditional and OIG offices to get on board with Postal OIG. For the non-1811's here, there is a Postal OIG AND Postal Inspection Service. Postal IG handles most the the administrative cases and recently took over internal crimes. Postal Inspections still handles the crimes involving thew use of mail, such as sending drugs (except those involving postal employees). The Postal Inspection Service kept all the good stuff IMHO. Postal IG works alot of IA, workers comp, and administrative cases. Not my cup of tea, but to each his own.

No two OIG offices are alike. You could have an agent with Education OIG who has never drawn his/her weapon outside on qualification in years and a agent from another OIG who has to draw it several times a week (legitimately). Do your homework. In terms of working more street level stuff (and most frequent contact with local LEO's), you will see it most with HUD, SSA, and DOL. If you love mountains of endless paperwork apply at any OIG...but if you want Mt. Everest amounts, apply to HHS.


PS - Even with the 6c retirement, I still think it stinks at 1.7% per year compared to the local LEO's I work with who get 3% per year. Yes, that is NOT a typo. Some regular non-LE city/county/state employees have a better retirement than me! I invest heavily in TSP (Thrift Savings Plan) and see that as my real retirement....