Lincoln University Police

[orlandofed5-0]

Anyone know the deal with Lincoln University police? Ive seen about 10 to 15 announcements within the last months. I believe they are a state university on the lines with Temple University in Philly but they require both Act 120 and Act 235 for their police officers. Any reason why?

[PAnarcagent]

Anyone know the deal with Lincoln University police? Ive seen about 10 to 15 announcements within the last months. I believe they are a state university on the lines with Temple University in Philly but they require both Act 120 and Act 235 for their police officers. Any reason why?


No idea why, but it doesn't really make much sense because anyone who is ACT 120 certified can get a waiver and get ACT 235 without going through the training. Most cops that get ACT 235 waivers do so because they work part-time armed security jobs on the side.

[tp2165]

Anyone know the deal with Lincoln University police?

I seem to remember Tpr. B---- getting shot by one of their officers years ago. First impressions really do last!

[MPSoldier84]

No idea why, but it doesn't really make much sense because anyone who is ACT 120 certified can get a waiver and get ACT 235 without going through the training. Most cops that get ACT 235 waivers do so because they work part-time armed security jobs on the side.

You usually get ACT 235 when you graduate from the Academy, however they don't take the waiver for Part Time Police Officers, at least not three months ago. This may have changed.

[PAnarcagent]

You usually get ACT 235 when you graduate from the Academy, however they don't take the waiver for Part Time Police Officers, at least not three months ago. This may have changed.


I didn't get 235 after my 120 academy. I only got my ACT 120. I got paperwork that says I have to apply to PSP for an ACT 235 waiver if I want one. I'm full-time, so I don't know about the part-time officer situation.

[e-man]

I didn't get 235 after my 120 academy. I only got my ACT 120. I got paperwork that says I have to apply to PSP for an ACT 235 waiver if I want one. I'm full-time, so I don't know about the part-time officer situation.

This is 12 years ago, so things may have changed by now.

same here, I dont think 235 allows a person to do anything but carry a gun holstered in view for a security type job.
Im not sure if it gives one arrest powers like 120...

[PPDSWD]

Temple and Lincoln University are not owned by the Commonwealth they are state related universities. Here is a list of state owned universities. http://www.passhe.edu/content/?/universities/summary

Temple PD has a good mix of college and neighborhood areas they police. Dont now much about Lincoln University, believe its pretty similar to Cheyney University, know someone who worked for Cheyney and hated it.

[Waggs369]

Lincoln is out in rural southern Chester County, near Jennersville, nothing like Temple. It's a fairly quite area, I think PSP covers most of the surrounding area. I believe that the school police only cover the campus, like Cheyney and the other State Schools - I attended a state school and even though the campus cops had to be 120 certified, they did not carry guns! They backed up the town PD, and drove cars with lights, etc. - even made car stops - but they were not armed!! Pretty crazy huh??????

[PaRoadDawg]

I remember going to a "mini" riot at Lincoln back in 2000. Pretty much disbursed prior to actually going on to campus.

[dcmaxfine]

I attended a state school and even though the campus cops had to be 120 certified, they did not carry guns! They backed up the town PD, and drove cars with lights, etc. - even made car stops - but they were not armed!! Pretty crazy huh??????

Hey Waggs...that wouldnt have been LHU?

[MPSoldier84]

Lincoln is out in rural southern Chester County, near Jennersville, nothing like Temple. It's a fairly quite area, I think PSP covers most of the surrounding area. I believe that the school police only cover the campus, like Cheyney and the other State Schools - I attended a state school and even though the campus cops had to be 120 certified, they did not carry guns! They backed up the town PD, and drove cars with lights, etc. - even made car stops - but they were not armed!! Pretty crazy huh??????

Yeah, I heard Lock Haven University does that, they have to request to go back to the station and arm up. The dept I work at, didn't carry guns for like 20+ years. It wasn't until the Late 90's that they started to be armed up.

[orlandofed5-0]

Indiana Univ. Of PA cops still dont carry guns!

Lincoln Univ. I think now carries guns. They require both Act 120 and 235. Or at least that is stated in the job announcement.

Temple PD hires often but I applied like 15 times over the past 5 years and never heard anything from them other than the standard HR F U letter.

[Waggs369]

Not LHU, Good Ol' KU!!!! As far as I know, they still don't carry..........

[PAnarcagent]

You usually get ACT 235 when you graduate from the Academy, however they don't take the waiver for Part Time Police Officers, at least not three months ago. This may have changed.


You are correct. PSP does not recognize part-time police officers, or capital police, park rangers, forest rangers, railroad police, or just about any other category of police officer. You have to be a full-time municipal police officer to get the waiver.

[Tikidaddy]

I just graduated the academy last December and we were told that we could apply for 235 as soon as the firearms training was complete. I knew a guy that worked at LU, he hated it. They used to only have to have 235 but, I believe in the last year they now require their officer's to have their 120.

[JJS]

When I was going to school at IUP the campus police would bring up the issue about getting armed every year, but the school would shoot them down everytime.

In Maryland community colleges with 5000-6000 students have armed police, but IUP has 16,000 that live there and all they have is OC and a baton. A little crazy if you ask me.

[orlandofed5-0]

Well apparently Lincoln is moving fast in their hiring as I have the interview and PT test on Monday.

[99TAC]

When I was going to school at IUP the campus police would bring up the issue about getting armed every year, but the school would shoot them down everytime.

In Maryland community colleges with 5000-6000 students have armed police, but IUP has 16,000 that live there and all they have is OC and a baton. A little crazy if you ask me.

IUP police were approved by their board of trustees at the end of 2006 to be armed. They should be carrying guns very shortly if they haven't begun already.

[shook0002]

You are correct. PSP does not recognize part-time police officers, or capital police, park rangers, forest rangers, railroad police, or just about any other category of police officer. You have to be a full-time municipal police officer to get the waiver.


I'm a former Transit cop (SEPTA)which falls under Railroad police, and know guys who retired from SEPTA Police and got a 235 waiver no problem.

[NYCde]

1:
Lincoln University Police Department (LUPD) is a division under the Lincoln University Department of Public Safety (DPS).
LUPD is a bonafide law enforcement agency in the State / Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (agency ORI: PA0154700).
Lincoln University employs sworn police officers with full police authority within Lincoln University jurisdiction; such as within the lands and buildings owned, leased or managed by Lincoln University. This includes all campus and branch locations and the communities and the roads within such..... enforcing all criminal and vehicle laws within such jurisdiction.
Locations include:
Chester County (main campus), 1920 acres / 3 square miles;
Philadelphia (graduate campus), located by the 30th St station.
LU police officers attend the Police Academy (Act 120) and do yearly in-service training mandated by the State (Act 180).
LUPD officers are armed with the Beretta 96D (40 cal), drive marked and unmarked vehicles that are computer equipped (MDT), and are trained, as well as have access to auxiliary weapons (shotgun and AR15) should a situation warrant the need for greater fire power.
Lincoln has an ERT / SWAT unit, a bike unit, and an investigative / detective unit. K-9 units are to be added in early 2009. The K-9 units will consist of one explosive detecting dog and one narcotic detecting dog.
Lincoln is one of largest police agencies in Chester County and among the largest departments in the State (when compared to the size of most municipal police departments in the state).
Lincoln only hires full time police officers. There are no part time police officers or volunteer officers.
Indeed Lincoln is in a rural location, but it is a very active department due to the urban influence and elements.
According to the US Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice records, it states although Lincoln University is in a rural location, the student body is mostly composed of persons from the major urban centers in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions of the country. This factor has contributed to an urban-type campus environment with urban-type quality of life problems.

I can understand why some people assume Lincoln police officers are unarmed. This is because people often confuse LU police officers with LU security officers; which is due to the uniforms being almost identical.
Note: Identical uniforms are by order of the Director of Public Safety and the Chief of Police to create the illusion of police omnipresence.

2:
The reason why Act 235 became an issue is because years ago Lincoln University disbanded its police force to save money and hired a private security company to handle public safety. The private security company was soon phased out and Lincoln returned to employing its own personnel; whom were titled "Public Safety Officer" (a glorified title for security).
These public safety officers were required to have Act 235 to possess and carry a firearm on duty.
As per US Department of Justice records, the Pennsylvania State police handled all complaints and incidents at Lincoln University during the period of public safety officers..... however, the increase in drug activity, crime and disorder, assaults on public safety officers, incidents involving a firearm or edged weapon, inability of personnel to deal with police matters, and response time of state police being a legitimate concern, forced the University to re-establish a police department..... thus the Lincoln University Police Department was reborn.
Lincoln is one of four non-state controlled universities in Pennsylvania to have a police department under MPOETC. The others are:
Pennsylvania State University
Temple University
University of Pittsburgh
University of Pennsylvania.

3:
Just to correct the person assuming that Lincoln is like Cheney and to clarify why Lincoln is "state related" and not state controlled.
Lincoln is not like Cheney. Lincoln University part of the Commonwealth System of Higher Education….. not the Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education (of which Cheney is a part of).
The Commonwealth System of Higher Education is the organizing body of Pennsylvania's state-related schools. It allows independent control of the universities; permitting them to govern themselves.
Universities in this System are considered public universities, but are under independent control rather than that of the state.
The following universities belong to the Commonwealth System of Higher Education:
Lincoln University
Pennsylvania State University
Temple University
University of Pittsburgh

[Baysidegal]

I hope this is not a dup question but what is the salary and benefits?

[NYCde]

The starting salary at Lincoln sucks....only $130.90 per day, but it is expected to increase to $190 in 2009 (supposedly....lol), however, apart from a poor starting salary..... the pros / incentives of Lincoln are:

#1) no rotating shifts (thank god).
You are assigned to one of 3 shifts:
0800-1800 (8am to 6pm)
1800-0400 (6pm to 4am)
2200-0800 (10pm tp 8am)
there will soon be a 4th shift (power shift) from 1200-2200 (12pm to 10pm).

#2) the work schedule is 4 days on (10 hour shift), 4 days off
Every week your start day off advances forward 1 day.
Example of the schedule:
Week 1: Mon. to Thurs. (off Fri. to Mon.)
Week 2: Tues. to Fri. (off Sat. to Tues.)
Week 3: Wed. to Sat. (off Sun. to Wed.)
Week 4: Thurs. to Sun. (off Mon. to Thurs.)
Week 5: Fri. to Mon. (off Tues. to Fri.)...........and so on.

#3) you and your family can go to school for free :)

[rockcop]

Do Lu offer OT

[NYCde]

There is a significant amount of overtime during the school year to cover special events and parties, however at the end of each semester (when the majority of the student body is gone), there is a minimal amount of overtime available (mostly training or court).

[CityTrashman]

There is a significant amount of overtime during the school year to cover special events and parties, however at the end of each semester (when the majority of the student body is gone), there is a minimal amount of overtime available (mostly training or court).


Where do I sign up at...

[bxhousing]

What kind of retirement is offered for Lincoln cops? Is it a privatized retirement or state?

[rockcop]

i am a lincoln grad that would love to be apart of the lupd. i have no law enforcement experience, do i have a chance of getting hired with no experience.

[unsworninpa104]

i am a lincoln grad that would love to be apart of the lupd. i have no law enforcement experience, do i have a chance of getting hired with no experience.

i would assume they only hire ACT 120 certified candidates. Get that and i'm sure you'd have an advantage in the hiring process because you have a degree from the college.

[rockcop]

where & how long did it take you to get your ACT120?

[unsworninpa104]

The closest Academies to LU that I am aware of are Delaware County and Montgomery County, both through the county colleges. If you go full time it is 8 hours a day for 6 months with some weekends. If you go part time it is night classes and takes about a year. To become a certified police officer in PA you have to go through 756? hours of training. Don't quote me on that but it is less than 800 hours. There was a Corporal and a Sargent that LU sent through the academy in my class though. So who knows, they may send you through. But it's the same for most departments, if you are already qualified you save the department money and they can get you on the street right away. Because of this(in my experiences) you have a MUCH better chance of being hired. Don't let this discourage you though, a college education is very valuable if you want to you can find a department that will hire you and put you through the academy if putting yourself through is not an option. What it comes down to is you don't really know unless you try, I am only speculating. I would suggest applying and seeing if they would send you. You could also look around this forum i believe there is a guy that works for LUPD already that posts here. He seems to know quite a bit and I'm sure he could help you out with any questions regarding the department. If you have any more questions about the academy or anything else I'd be happy to answer the best of my knowledge. Good luck!