Toilets Facing Mecca

[cap'n104]

I was listening to talk radio today and the host read from a publication that at a prison in the UK officials were re-locating the toilets because they face Mecca and it is against Islamic law to go to the bathroom facing that direction. He went on to say this move was based on complaints from Muslim inmates and that the work will come at tax payers expense to appease the inmates.
I have not been able to confirm this story. Have any of you heard about this?

[oshphopeful]

here's the link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4926114.stm

[NavCop22]

That's so freaking PC of them. If the muslims dont like it TOO BAD they shouldnt be in there to begin with. If they appease them whats next? There maid because its the order of ISLAM. This PC garbage has to stop.

[School Cop]

Tell 'em to leave the toilets facing Mecca and tell the inmates to sit sideways or something. Problem solved.

[Rogerthump]

Because we all know that if you turn your back the Lord can't see you pee.

[SlowDownThere]

Oh my aching ..........!

Un...freezing...believable.

[PPDMO373]

I have never heard that before.....what a bunch of PC suckers. :rolleyes:

I have been to Saudi and thinking back....we had crappers facing all sorts of directions...and at least one of them had to be facing Mecca and now seemed to mind over there.....

[MountainCop]

Heard about this - my first thought was 'Who gives a s...', but that is SOOOOO politically incorrect. But then again, who give a s...

I LOVE circular arguments :D

[Rogerthump]

I LOVE circular arguments :D

Speaking of, wouldn't the curve of the Earth mean that one is not facing Mecca unless they are within a certain mile range? And if Mecca is East, then at what point do they consider Mecca West of their location? If your North or South of Mecca is it still considered an East West thing?

The same as tossing salt over your shoulder in my opinion.

[MountainCop]

Speaking of, wouldn't the curve of the Earth mean that one is not facing Mecca unless they are within a certain mile range? And if Mecca is East, then at what point do they consider Mecca West of their location? If your North or South of Mecca is it still considered an East West thing?

The same as tossing salt over your shoulder in my opinion.

You're right - depend on the distance to the horizon, etc. Otherwise, you're facing outer space.

Then again, back to the circular argument - Who gives a ... :D

[Sleuth]

Oh, lets get some of our UK members to describe their "open prisons". The US cops will not belive them!
And a UK chief decided that he could not release photos of some escapees, becuse it might violate thier human rights!

I think they need Sherrif Joe ASrpio from Maricopa County AZ over there!

[Bobbycop]

Oh, lets get some of our UK members to describe their "open prisons". The US cops will not belive them!
And a UK chief decided that he could not release photos of some escapees, becuse it might violate thier human rights!

I think they need Sherrif Joe ASrpio from Maricopa County AZ over there!


I fail to see the link between toilets facng Mecca and open prisons.

Open prisons are minimal security prisons for low risk petty offenders, that intend to rehabilitate via working on farm duties etc.
Should somebody breach this trust placed upon them they would not qualify again and would be put in a higher security jail.
On the whole, people who receive a sentence at an open prison do not jeapordise their position by escaping.

[vtinvestigator]

I guess it was okay for the prisoners to commit crimes facing mecca??

But they can't do their business facing mecca?

[Bobbycop]

I guess it was okay for the prisoners to commit crimes facing mecca??

But they can't do their business facing mecca?

Excellent point

[BritCop in Iraq]

In their own countries, they don't even have toilets as we know it. They sh*t in a hole in the ground. Personally, I'd give em what they're used to. If they don't like it, they can always go home (after serving their sentence) can't they? Oh, and if there are any left-wing "do gooders" reading this post, you know what you can do don't you???

[Sleuth]

Ah, Bobbycop, the connection is an apparent 'over-concern' on the part of some in the UK law enforcement/correctional system about the "feelings" of the inmates.

And the escapers in question were, per the article I read, in for murder. That's not viewed as a 'petty crime' in the US.
Just another difference between our systems?

[BritCop in Iraq]

Hi there Sleuth; the apparent "over-concern" about the "feelings" of inmates is not shared by all of us over here, I can assure you. We're not all a bunch of "limp-wristed" socialists in the U.K. despite what the notoriously Anti-British FOX "News" tells you. Don't believe everything you watch on T.V. Oh don't get me wrong, we get the same kind of B.S. too. Especially from the notoriously Anti-American B.B.C. Again, their "reporting" certainly does not reflect the majority of British opinion (unless you're an ultra-left wing vegetarian tree-hugger, of course) Anyway, just wanted to put the record straight for us Brits - or Half Brits (in my case) I'm Half American, on my mother's side. In fact, I'm moving out to the states in just 2 weeks time. Looking for an L.E. job on the other side of the pond. All the best. Jon

[Sleuth]

No worries - I have several friends in the UK, most ex or present Army or Police. We have more than our fair share of "limp-wristed" types in the US - would you like some of ours?
You may not know a Gov. of Calif. apointed a convicted murderer who had completed his time as the warden of a prison!

[Bobbycop]

Ah, Bobbycop, the connection is an apparent 'over-concern' on the part of some in the UK law enforcement/correctional system about the "feelings" of the inmates.

And the escapers in question were, per the article I read, in for murder. That's not viewed as a 'petty crime' in the US.
Just another difference between our systems?

From Wikipedia:- UK prisons

A Category A Prison is a maximum security prison, highly secured, and used mainly for high risk offenders such as murderers, serious sex offenders and terrorists.

A Category B Prison is for prisoners who do not require maximum security, but for whom escape needs to be made very difficult, either because they would pose a threat to themselves or society, or because they have a high likelihood of attempting to escape.

A Category C Prison is for prisoners who cannot be trusted in open conditions but who are unlikely to try to escape.

A Category D Prison is for prisoners who are trusted enough to wander freely but must show up for daily roll calls.



So are all prisons in the USA maximum security?
If so, why?
Oh, please can you post a link to the report of murderers escaping from open prison. It would be interesting to see.

Oh and as for whoever said 'they can all go home when they finish their sentences', chances are they are British citizens.

[BritCop in Iraq]

Thank you BobbyCop for your overview of the British Prison System, prepared for our American friends. I'm sure they will find it most enlightening?

Yes I must admit, I would also be fasinated to know about the Murderer escaping from an Open prison. In all of my 24 year career, I have never heard of a Murderer doing time in a Cat D establishment?

I suspect that this might be a case of "creative" reporting?

Anyway, enough of that. I would like to clarify my remark about "going home" which I sense has ruffled your feathers....

Yes, quite possibly the Muslim inmates in question may well hold British citizenship.

However, it is highly likely that either they, themseves (or at least their parents) will have originated from another country - unless, of course, they are muslim converts? (Personally, I have never met one although I accept that extremely small numbers do exist)

That said, they (or their parents) will most probably have ties with another country. I'm going to take a really wild guess and say to the East of us?

My point is this....

If anyone doesn't like our country, it's laws, customs, traditions, way of life etc. then they are free to leave the country at any time (unless they are in jail, of course) But they are free to leave, after they get out.

Many muslims in the U.K. have a choice - a very easy choice.

Because many retain family ties with their "home" country, they can very easily go and live there, and some do return / go to those countries. They have made a choice to reject our system of living. That's fine by me.

What I am absolutely fed up to the back teeth of, is people that continually complain about the country, but do nothing about it (especially when they have a clear alternative choice, if they so wish)

It's like people who continually say that they hate their job. Hey, resign and get another one, if you don't like it! It's that simple....

The thing is, these people won't leave the country (you know that, and I know that) because they have it way too easy.

They know that the current Labour government cares more about the feelings of a minority, than they do about the wishes of the majority (who very foolishly voted them in power)

So in the end, it is the "original" British that leave the country, not the "new" citizens (who always get their own way) whilst the rest are ignored.

Why do 6,000,000 British citizens now live abroad, I wonder? And that figure is steadily going up and up, all the time. (I'm one of them in 2 weeks time)

Just a question for you BobbyCop. If YOU were unfortunate enough to be imprisoned in an Islamic country, what rights do you think YOU would have? Do you think that they might change the toilets around for you, if they didn't meet with your satisfaction?

I think you can figure that one out.

Bye the way, I've just finished working in a muslim country (Iraq) for the last year. Also, I've travelled extensively throughout the rest of the Middle East.

It's funny, but I never once heard anything about toilets facing (or not facing) Mecca? It's strange that, isn't it?

Oh another thing, muslims don't use toilet paper either. They use their bare hand with some water. Perhaps we should then remove all toilet rolls from prisons, just in case muslim inmates might be offended by their presence?

Hey, I just might send in a letter of suggestion to the Govt about that one. I reckon they'd probably agree to it.

Anyway, enjoy the rest of your career in Merseyside. I'm in Manchester at the moment, but will be moving to Florida in 2 weeks time.

All the best.

[cookdawg53]

can't face mecca and crap huh.....better than that they wata point thier acce towards it.............yeah that'll make "thier" god proud....lol

[dogma vs karma]

can't face mecca and crap huh.....better than that they wata point thier acce towards it.............yeah that'll make "thier" god proud....lol

it's their.

and it's the same god as jesuit, christian, and hebrew faiths.

[ignignokt373]

can't face mecca and crap huh.....better than that they wata point thier acce towards it.............yeah that'll make "thier" god proud....lol

If your going to bitch about something....at least be smart enough to spell your words right and try to type in complete sentences....so you look semi-intelligent....


:rolleyes:

[Bobbycop]

Brit Cop in Iraq,

Thank you very much for explaining your position with argument and reason. It looked far better than your original post.

Actually my feathers weren't rustled too much on this occasion, hence only my subtle reply earlier.

I hope that while you are in Florida you will continue to find gratification that other people are dealing with criminal types in grey North West English cities just like you have done for the last 20+ years.

All the best again

Bobbycop

ps Seriously , good luck in USA.