How much do you get to show up in court?

[thomor]

You know how all cops say "I don't care about going to court, because I get paid 3x(not sure about this) overtime to be there."

So for one ticket how much do you actually make as a cop?

[That Guy]

Three hours of pay for 15 minutes of work.......

TGY

[Fuzz]

most days I am already at work so nothing more than reg pay. For court on my day off......3 hrs minimum of OT even if Im only there a short time.

[thomor]

3 hours of OT pay = $$$

I want to know the dollar amount.

[L-1]

If you are coming in on your off duty time, you are looking at four hours at time and a half. If you are a bottom pay step rookie, it comes out to around $163.

[That Guy]

$157 which is 3 hr min. and if it takes place after my shift or on my 1 & 3rd days off. Any work done on my 2nd day off is double time so it = $210.

TGY

[thomor]

so does this mean for my $80 dollar ticket the court will pay the cop more than the ticket is worth?

[irishlad2nv]

so does this mean for my $80 dollar ticket the court will pay the cop more than the ticket is worth?
Figured there was a "catch" to this thread. Most Jurisdictions, the courts have nothing to do with what the Officer/Deputy makes or gets paid. Look at it this way. You received a ticket, so most likely you broke the law. Now if it's the Officers day off of work, he/she has to come in, to attend court. Yes it's part of their job, however they could be spending that time with their family, etc.

You can look at this from many sides and you will not win on this one. Just pay the ticket and don't worry about how much one is getting paid for something you did wrong. And that was free....

[L-1]

so does this mean for my $80 dollar ticket the court will pay the cop more than the ticket is worth?

My agency does not get one penny of the fine money. The officer's money comes directly out of the department's overtime budget. So, every ticket that's appealed to court only hurts my department's funding.

[thomor]

Figured there was a "catch" to this thread. Most Jurisdictions, the courts have nothing to do with what the Officer/Deputy makes or gets paid. Look at it this way. You received a ticket, so most likely you broke the law. Now if it's the Officers day off of work, he/she has to come in, to attend court. Yes it's part of their job, however they could be spending that time with their family, etc.

You can look at this from many sides and you will not win on this one. Just pay the ticket and don't worry about how much one is getting paid for something you did wrong. And that was free....
I wasn't speeding(not even 1mph over), but yet I was pulled over for 10+ over, and the cop gave me a "break" by giving me careless driving. And I'd rather go to court and lose(I know my chances), than pay a ticket or bargain down to something I wasn't guilty off in the first place.

P.S. I find most cops to be decent people, but you seem like a jackass on a power trip.

[t150vsuptpr]

Most nearly all of my court is held on my regular work schedule. Very rare for me to be going in court on a day off, etc.

But if it happens, depending on schedule that week, could be comp time earned (straight time), adjusted schedule (again, straight time, just take back same week), overtime leave (bank 1.5 hours for each spent), or even overtime pay (pay 1.5 X rate). Time starts and stops at my door step.

:)

[That Guy]

I wasn't speeding(not even 1mph over), but yet I was pulled over for 10+ over, and the cop gave me a "break" by giving me careless driving. And I'd rather go to court and lose(I know my chances), than pay a ticket or bargain down to something I wasn't guilty off in the first place.

P.S. I find most cops to be decent people, but you seem like a jackass on a power trip.


If you had put this info in your first post no one would have responded including myself. If you are going to turn this into a "I did nothing, it's extortion" threads then please either move on or close your account.

TGY

[irishlad2nv]

I wasn't speeding(not even 1mph over), but yet I was pulled over for 10+ over, and the cop gave me a "break" by giving me careless driving. And I'd rather go to court and lose(I know my chances), than pay a ticket or bargain down to something I wasn't guilty off in the first place.

P.S. I find most cops to be decent people, but you seem like a jackass on a power trip.
Not even close. Look, you came onto a LE Forum to ask what a cop makes in overtime for court? And you think my response is because I am "on a power trip"...by far! I answered your question and then some. As I stated, just pay the ticket. It's that simple...now what do you think of me?

[vtinvestigator]

I wasn't speeding(not even 1mph over), but yet I was pulled over for 10+ over, and the cop gave me a "break" by giving me careless driving. And I'd rather go to court and lose(I know my chances), than pay a ticket or bargain down to something I wasn't guilty off in the first place.

P.S. I find most cops to be decent people, but you seem like a jackass on a power trip.

I agree with Irish. Pay the ticket. The officer wouldn't of pulled you over for nothing. To imply an officer gives you a ticket in hopes he might get paid to attend court is crazy. We would rather be with our family on our day off or in our regular job if we are working. Not waiting around in a courthouse waiitng for jokers to show or no-show. You were out of line with Irish calling him a jackass.

[spso]

my sgt usaully change my hours or I have to take comp time ( $ problems)

[cookdawg53]

You know how all cops say "I don't care about going to court, because I get paid 3x(not sure about this) overtime to be there."

So for one ticket how much do you actually make as a cop?



From your attitude in your prev. post I can see why you got a UTC. You were speeding or you wouldn't have gotten stoped to begin with. Quit blaming the world, hush up , pay up, and slow down. And as for pay, I get comp (min. 4 hrs.) each time I go to court. It doesn't matter if its traffic, county, or circuit. I can cash in up to 250 hrs. of comp time from Oct.-Dec. each year. So those citations sure do help old santa out.

[Slowing-Dee]

How far in advance do you usually find out that you have to go to court for a ticket being contested? Does your supervisor ever adjust your work schedule so that you're not coming in on your day off anymore so they can avoid paying you OT? If that person decides they're going to plead guilty after all and go in before the scheduled trial date to do so, when do you usually find out that your trial has been cancelled?

[JKralC104]

You don't have to be speeding to get careless or wreckless operation. And you probably were speeding but after you hit your brakes you were going the limit. Goodbye.

[Bigg Dogg]

I get notta for coming to court!!

[deputy x 2]

Minimum of 4 hours OT.

My pet peeve is court is ALWAYS (for some unknown reason) on my days off! uggghhhh!!!

[SgtScott31]

Minimum 2 hrs OT on my days/time off even if I'm there 20 min. OT = time and a half...

[Maxima Lover]

I always wondered about this as well. If the cops does bring up about going to court (even on a BS charge he's not sure about) because he knows he'll get paid, would that just be a moral issue?

[SgtScott31]

I always wondered about this as well. If the cops does bring up about going to court (even on a BS charge he's not sure about) because he knows he'll get paid, would that just be a moral issue?

This sentence makes no sense, but I will take a shot as to what you're trying to imply. Believe it or not, we have many other things to do (like spend time with friends and family) than to make up bullsh** traffic charges just so we could grab a couple of hours of overtime...

[rpd1794]

I always wondered about this as well. If the cops does bring up about going to court (even on a BS charge he's not sure about) because he knows he'll get paid, would that just be a moral issue?

On EVERY summons, EVERY time, we MUST thoroughly explain it and the options available to the person charged to take care of it. In Va, you can pre-pay on most offenses or show up on the date and time on the summons.

I'm amazed that anyone thinks we actually enjoy putting on a uniform and going to court on our day off for a couple hours of OT. I have better things to do. By the way, all my cases are scheduled for day shift when I'm at work anyway. The OT isn't worth screwing up what few days off I get.

[L-1]

I always wondered about this as well. If the cops does bring up about going to court (even on a BS charge he's not sure about) because he knows he'll get paid, would that just be a moral issue?

No. All it means is by saying, "I'll see you in court," you tried to bully the officer. Instead of being frightened, he came back with a snappier retort which crushed your ego.

If you wish to speak of moral issues, consider the other side of the coin. Is it moral to force an officer to come to work on their day off, or their off duty time (perhaps in the middle of their night if they work graveyard shift) and compel them to do so for free? I don't know what you do for a living, but consider how moral it would be if you were forced to work for free everytime one of your clients disagreed with something you did in your job.

As far as arresting someone on a BS charge that we are unsure about, remember that officers must sell their reports to a supervisor before they are processed. In addition, they and their department are civally liable for false arrests. While I have no doubt that there are a few idiot cops out there, what you speak of rarely happens.

[kpd105]

Millions!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Millions!!

[BrickCop]

You get paid 1 1/2 OT, minimum 4 hours.

[cookdawg53]

Minimum of 4 hours OT.

My pet peeve is court is ALWAYS (for some unknown reason) on my days off! uggghhhh!!!
This one has me cracking up because that is exactly what happens to me. Plan a motorcycle trip 3 months in advance,,,schedule vaccation time,,,make deposits on rooms.....everyone is set to go and wham the dept. process server has a sup. that is scheduled smack dab in the middle of my trip.....................leaves me with on thought.......)(&^*^%&^%$* &^

[That Guy]

This one has me cracking up because that is exactly what happens to me. Plan a motorcycle trip 3 months in advance,,,schedule vaccation time,,,make deposits on rooms.....everyone is set to go and wham the dept. process server has a sup. that is scheduled smack dab in the middle of my trip.....................leaves me with on thought.......)(&^*^%&^%$* &^


In order not to have any court on your days off we submit leave slips even on our days off. That way no nasty surprises. Of course the ahole who started the threat and the 18 yr old morality king don't have a clue about what this job demands of you.
Best part is that neither of them have responded.

TGY

[Maxima Lover]

Here is a video of what I'm talking about.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1978406706936066267

This officer was ticked off that I hit the green light perfectly and went right thru the intersection he was stopped at.

You can see he threatens me with court like he doesn't care that he's just made up my speed, because even if I fight it and win, he still wins. Of course he changes his attitude when I inform him of the video camera. Although I didn't have the camera rolling to show how fast I was going, he apparently thought otherwise and knew I would embarrass him in court if he did write me up.

I mean how many of you would really give a verbal warning after you get what you're going to call an attitude from a teenager? Also when he comes back he says I don't need to be going at the speed limit. Well say that at the beginning and don't start pulling numbers out of your butt and lying.

Other notes: It had JUST started spitting snow and the ground was too warm for it to even stick.

Also, I never went other 38MPH in the 40 zone. The was confirmed by my Kustom Golden Eagle that was on at the time of the stop.

[cookdawg53]

I wacthed your video. If it had been me that clocked you at 50mph you would have gotten a UTC and I would've taken your tape into evidence. The Officer was direct and to the point. What did you want him to do? Call you master? I don't get your point. The clip I have seen of your tape proves nothing other than the Officer was stern with you. When you somewhat showed compliance he cut you some slack. You should be thanking this Officer but instead you are acting like a 12yr old.

[SgtScott31]

Here is a video of what I'm talking about.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1978406706936066267

This officer was ticked off that I hit the green light perfectly and went right thru the intersection he was stopped at.

You can see he threatens me with court like he doesn't care that he's just made up my speed, because even if I fight it and win, he still wins. Of course he changes his attitude when I inform him of the video camera. Although I didn't have the camera rolling to show how fast I was going, he apparently thought otherwise and knew I would embarrass him in court if he did write me up.

I mean how many of you would really give a verbal warning after you get what you're going to call an attitude from a teenager? Also when he comes back he says I don't need to be going at the speed limit. Well say that at the beginning and don't start pulling numbers out of your butt and lying.

Other notes: It had JUST started spitting snow and the ground was too warm for it to even stick.

Also, I never went other 38MPH in the 40 zone. The was confirmed by my Kustom Golden Eagle that was on at the time of the stop.

I thought you were done trying to lure us to your videos of "officer abuse." Why don't you do us a favor and go play in traffic.

[SgtScott31]

No. All it means is by saying, "I'll see you in court," you tried to bully the officer. Instead of being frightened, he came back with a snappier retort which crushed your ego.

If you wish to speak of moral issues, consider the other side of the coin. Is it moral to force an officer to come to work on their day off, or their off duty time (perhaps in the middle of their night if they work graveyard shift) and compel them to do so for free? I don't know what you do for a living, but consider how moral it would be if you were forced to work for free everytime one of your clients disagreed with something you did in your job.

As far as arresting someone on a BS charge that we are unsure about, remember that officers must sell their reports to a supervisor before they are processed. In addition, they and their department are civally liable for false arrests. While I have no doubt that there are a few idiot cops out there, what you speak of rarely happens.

Don't get worked up L1. If you've read Maxima's posts before, he's just a mad teen with an anti-cop attitude. He doesn't have anything better to do than drive around with a video camera in his car looking for "injustice." Seriously needs a life.

[L-1]

Don't get worked up L1. If you've read Maxima's posts before, he's just a mad teen with an anti-cop attitude. He doesn't have anything better to do than drive around with a video camera in his care looking for "injustice." Seriously needs a life.


I totally forget. Must be old age setting in.

[L-1]

You can see he threatens me with court like he doesn't care that he's just made up my speed, because even if I fight it and win, he still wins. Of course he changes his attitude when I inform him of the video camera. Although I didn't have the camera rolling to show how fast I was going, he apparently thought otherwise and knew I would embarrass him in court if he did write me up.

I mean how many of you would really give a verbal warning after you get what you're going to call an attitude from a teenager? Also when he comes back he says I don't need to be going at the speed limit. Well say that at the beginning and don't start pulling numbers out of your butt and lying.

Other notes: It had JUST started spitting snow and the ground was too warm for it to even stick.

Also, I never went other 38MPH in the 40 zone. The was confirmed by my Kustom Golden Eagle that was on at the time of the stop.

You know, I'll bet the judge is an enlightened man who would just love to hear your story. You reallly should drop by the court and let him know all about this.

[chaser266]

Also, I never went other 38MPH in the 40 zone. The was confirmed by my Kustom Golden Eagle that was on at the time of the stop.
Hmmm... Riding around in your personal vehicle, equipped with a radar gun. Cool, Daddy-O. Ever go on a date? Maybe you should spend more time trying to get laid, and less time acting like a tool in front of the police.

[L-1]

Of course he changes his attitude when I inform him of the video camera. Although I didn't have the camera rolling to show how fast I was going, he apparently thought otherwise and knew I would embarrass him in court if he did write me up.

.......don't start pulling numbers out of your butt and lying.

Other notes: It had JUST started spitting snow and the ground was too warm for it to even stick.

Also, I never went other 38MPH in the 40 zone. The was confirmed by my Kustom Golden Eagle that was on at the time of the stop.

Your insistence on ethics, morality and the truth prompts me to ask you a couple of questions and perhaps help prepare you for your day in court .

The purpose of courts and trials is to seek the truth. Contrary to what you seem to believe, it is not a game of "gotcha". Instead, it is a process where each side gets to carefully review the other's evidence and respond to it thoughtfully. Obviously, there are rules as to how this is done. First let's talk about discovery. Just as a defendant is entitled to discover and review evidence against it, the prosecution is also entitled to discover and review any of the defense's evidence. If you try to surprise the officer with radar and tape evidence at your hearing, the prosecution is entitled to inquire further into this area and may ask for a continuance in order to receive and review any documentation you may need to provide.

In order to establish that you know how to properly operate the radar device and that your readings are accurate, the prosecution may ask you to provide them with copies of your radar training certificate and copies of all training materials, handouts, classroom notes, etc., your prepared in connection with training you received in the operation of this device. You may also be asked to provide a copy of all manuals used to train you in the operation of this radar device.

You may be asked to provide the name, model, and serial number of the radar device you used to ascertain the speed of your vehicle on the date in question, along with the serial numbers of the tuning forks used to test the speed-measuring device.

You mal also be asked to provide copies of the maintenance, certification, and calibration records, for the last twelve months, of all speed measuring devices you used to ascertain the speed of your vehicle in connection with this incident.

You may be asked to provide a copy of the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) license that authorized you to lawfully operate your radar device on a specific frequency or range of frequencies.

You may be asked to provide a copy of that portion of the RADAR unit manufacturer's operator manual relating to field use and operation

If you are unable to provide these, your testimony as to your speed (as determined by your radar) probably won't have any credibility in the court's eyes.

If your state has a reasonable and proper speed limit, you may also need to demonstrate your expertise and training (including any certificates you may have) regarding your ability to determine what reasonable and proper speeds are for driving on wet pavement where snow is falling.

In your conversation that night, you indicated to the officer that you had videoed the event, so the prosecution is entitled to a copy of the video as well. Of course, this poses a problem because you now "claim" that was you were bluffing and there is no video. The court can interpret this two ways. First, it may take you at your word and accept that you lied to the cop that night about the video. OTOH, the court may also conclude that you really did make a video but are now hiding it and lying about its existence because it contains evidence of your guilt. Either way, it appears you lied about evidence pertaining to this event. The problem here is that the rules of most courts say that if a witness is found to have lied about a portion of what went on, then it is reasonable to consider that all of their testimony is untruthful. So much for your credibility in the eyes of the court.

Best of luck on your day in court. Please come back and let us know how much your fine was.

[TnDeputy]

Also, I never went other 38MPH in the 40 zone. The was confirmed by my Kustom Golden Eagle that was on at the time of the stop.

I am sure you keep accurate calibration records for your radar, right???

Wonder how much mommy and daddy paid for that...

[Jimmy127]

Sadly, I get comp time for all my court hours that are off duty. Thankfully, all of my traffic court is scheduled for a day shift.

[Mirrain]

Here is a video of what I'm talking about.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1978406706936066267

This officer was ticked off that I hit the green light perfectly and went right thru the intersection he was stopped at.

You can see he threatens me with court like he doesn't care that he's just made up my speed, because even if I fight it and win, he still wins. Of course he changes his attitude when I inform him of the video camera. Although I didn't have the camera rolling to show how fast I was going, he apparently thought otherwise and knew I would embarrass him in court if he did write me up.

I mean how many of you would really give a verbal warning after you get what you're going to call an attitude from a teenager? Also when he comes back he says I don't need to be going at the speed limit. Well say that at the beginning and don't start pulling numbers out of your butt and lying.

Other notes: It had JUST started spitting snow and the ground was too warm for it to even stick.

Also, I never went other 38MPH in the 40 zone. The was confirmed by my Kustom Golden Eagle that was on at the time of the stop.

Oh boy.

Ok first off, I saw nothing about what he said in this that would even indicate there was a threat. What do you want him to do, argue back and forth on the side of the road whether you were going that fast or not? "yes you were" "no i wasn't" "yes you were!". :rolleyes:
If he paced you, he paced you, that will stand in court. Like he is really going to risk his credibility in court over your driving. Puuulease!

He gave you a break because he was afraid of your recorder? Right, because you are the exception. In case you didn't know the 95% of people who have photo/video options on their cells get breaks from us too.

Driving too fast (for conditions) is just that. Then again you probably knew that the road is most slippery when it first starts raining or gets wet right? After all, what do you think happens to all the road grime and oil there?

Ok so to recap, you have a radar installed in your car AND a recorder? I can only think of one reason you would have that in your car, and it isn't for safety. My suggestion is to take it back and get the model with the common sense feature installed.

I'm also keen to see how often you test/calibrate your radar AND if you can even explain the prinicpal behind how it works.

/end rant

[Berlioz]

So, how often do you go to court? IF broken down by average, would it be once a week, month?

Agency specific question: If an LAPD officer makes an arrest and it goes to trial, will his/her partner be summoned as well?

[Maxima Lover]

Hmmm... Riding around in your personal vehicle, equipped with a radar gun. Cool, Daddy-O. Ever go on a date? Maybe you should spend more time trying to get laid, and less time acting like a tool in front of the police.


Well nice job on a personal attack. The radar unit is temporary mounted in my car and we use it to test radar detectors.

I don't act like a tool in front of the police, but they always manage to like in this stop I had.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1522.asp

[Maxima Lover]

Your insistence on ethics, morality and the truth prompts me to ask you a couple of questions and perhaps help prepare you for your day in court .

The purpose of courts and trials is to seek the truth. Contrary to what you seem to believe, it is not a game of "gotcha". Instead, it is a process where each side gets to carefully review the other's evidence and respond to it thoughtfully. Obviously, there are rules as to how this is done. First let's talk about discovery. Just as a defendant is entitled to discover and review evidence against it, the prosecution is also entitled to discover and review any of the defense's evidence. If you try to surprise the officer with radar and tape evidence at your hearing, the prosecution is entitled to inquire further into this area and may ask for a continuance in order to receive and review any documentation you may need to provide.

In order to establish that you know how to properly operate the radar device and that your readings are accurate, the prosecution may ask you to provide them with copies of your radar training certificate and copies of all training materials, handouts, classroom notes, etc., your prepared in connection with training you received in the operation of this device. You may also be asked to provide a copy of all manuals used to train you in the operation of this radar device.

You may be asked to provide the name, model, and serial number of the radar device you used to ascertain the speed of your vehicle on the date in question, along with the serial numbers of the tuning forks used to test the speed-measuring device.

You mal also be asked to provide copies of the maintenance, certification, and calibration records, for the last twelve months, of all speed measuring devices you used to ascertain the speed of your vehicle in connection with this incident.

You may be asked to provide a copy of the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) license that authorized you to lawfully operate your radar device on a specific frequency or range of frequencies.

You may be asked to provide a copy of that portion of the RADAR unit manufacturer's operator manual relating to field use and operation

If you are unable to provide these, your testimony as to your speed (as determined by your radar) probably won't have any credibility in the court's eyes.

If your state has a reasonable and proper speed limit, you may also need to demonstrate your expertise and training (including any certificates you may have) regarding your ability to determine what reasonable and proper speeds are for driving on wet pavement where snow is falling.

In your conversation that night, you indicated to the officer that you had videoed the event, so the prosecution is entitled to a copy of the video as well. Of course, this poses a problem because you now "claim" that was you were bluffing and there is no video. The court can interpret this two ways. First, it may take you at your word and accept that you lied to the cop that night about the video. OTOH, the court may also conclude that you really did make a video but are now hiding it and lying about its existence because it contains evidence of your guilt. Either way, it appears you lied about evidence pertaining to this event. The problem here is that the rules of most courts say that if a witness is found to have lied about a portion of what went on, then it is reasonable to consider that all of their testimony is untruthful. So much for your credibility in the eyes of the court.

Best of luck on your day in court. Please come back and let us know how much your fine was.


Well none of that matters since I didn't get a ticket. How many guilty, smart-*** kids do you know that don't get a ticket. None! Why? Beacuse I wasn't one. I was a innocent, smart-*** kid and the cop knew I could prove it.

[Maxima Lover]

Oh boy.

Ok first off, I saw nothing about what he said in this that would even indicate there was a threat. What do you want him to do, argue back and forth on the side of the road whether you were going that fast or not? "yes you were" "no i wasn't" "yes you were!". :rolleyes:
If he paced you, he paced you, that will stand in court. Like he is really going to risk his credibility in court over your driving. Puuulease!

He gave you a break because he was afraid of your recorder? Right, because you are the exception. In case you didn't know the 95% of people who have photo/video options on their cells get breaks from us too.

Driving too fast (for conditions) is just that. Then again you probably knew that the road is most slippery when it first starts raining or gets wet right? After all, what do you think happens to all the road grime and oil there?

Ok so to recap, you have a radar installed in your car AND a recorder? I can only think of one reason you would have that in your car, and it isn't for safety. My suggestion is to take it back and get the model with the common sense feature installed.

I'm also keen to see how often you test/calibrate your radar AND if you can even explain the prinicpal behind how it works.

/end rant

Well I have no problem getting treats from officers just like this link will prove.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1522.asp

Lots of other times I've been threatened as well. I'm much more scared of the local police than any criminals.

[Maxima Lover]

So, how often do you go to court? IF broken down by average, would it be once a week, month?

Agency specific question: If an LAPD officer makes an arrest and it goes to trial, will his/her partner be summoned as well?


I almost never go to court. I've been pulled over 25 times not inlcuding checkpoints and have gotten 4 tickets. I don't and never have had any points on my license.

[e-man]

I almost never go to court. I've been pulled over 25 times not inlcuding checkpoints and have gotten 4 tickets. I don't and never have had any points on my license.

Well isn't that special Brett. In the immortal words from Niedermeyer "What do you wanna do with your life?"
In case you dont comprehend, thats a line from a Twisted Sister video. What do you think u are going to accomplish or change here? get cops to NOt stop people anymore? To get a few cops to be more Yes sir, No sir? Grow up....

Oh and BTW- I get 2 hrs OT if its before or after my shift, 4 hrs. if its my day off. SOmetimes I even have to bring my kids to court since its my day off and I have a life.. Oh and we dont get travel time either, just the minimum hours guaranteed by our contract...

[e-man]

Well I have no problem getting treats from officers just like this link will prove.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1522.asp

Lots of other times I've been threatened as well. I'm much more scared of the local police than any criminals.


so THATS what this is all about, your deep seeded hatred for the local constabulary... You are afraid of cops NOT because of your own interactions but because of a ill-percieved notion that cops are bad ruthless jack-booted thugs beating up on little innocent kids.....Go see a psychologist, they can help with that problem :D

[Maxima Lover]

Well isn't that special Brett. In the immortal words from Niedermeyer "What do you wanna do with your life?"
In case you dont comprehend, thats a line from a Twisted Sister video. What do you think u are going to accomplish or change here? get cops to NOt stop people anymore? To get a few cops to be more Yes sir, No sir? Grow up....


I will publicly expose bad cops for what they are. Police officers are the only profession that doesn't want to see their coworkers that do wrong, punished. It makes all cops look bad when they want to protect the bad ones.

Local media has contacted me on several videos I have made. They want the information to be public as well. Just like how the majority of citizens thought I was treated the wrong way. Of course lots of LEOs don't care what the public thinks even though they work for us.

I have the TONS of respect for LEOs that do their job correctly and within the law. I have zero respect for LEOs that play the game by their own rules. I can tell there are some of each on this board.

[Maxima Lover]

so THATS what this is all about, your deep seeded hatred for the local constabulary... You are afraid of cops NOT because of your own interactions but because of a ill-percieved notion that cops are bad ruthless jack-booted thugs beating up on little innocent kids.....Go see a psychologist, they can help with that problem :D


No. I'm afraid of many police officers because of my interactions. My main one being when I was almost shot by a drunk one when I was 17. I've also had too many since that have threatened me with jail/tickets because they don't like what I legally do. Did you guys not take some type of oath? Were you guys taught to go by the law or by your personal feelings?

[SgtScott31]

Don't feed the trolls......

[cookdawg53]

No. I'm afraid of many police officers because of my interactions. My main one being when I was almost shot by a drunk one when I was 17. I've also had too many since that have threatened me with jail/tickets because they don't like what I legally do. Did you guys not take some type of oath? Were you guys taught to go by the law or by your personal feelings?
WOW.......................What are you thinking.....ohhh you aren't are you????

[kyle7]

Bah, I've been pulled over by a local "County mounty" because I was in a highschool parking lot after hours and I looked "suspicious".

Do I complain? No. In fact I'm gratefull for the officer giving me a verbal warning on my insurance (which my dad seemed to have stashed away in the hardest place to find on earth).
I've never met a crooked cop, been pulled over once in my life, been in the car when it was pulled over a half dozen times by different officers from different departments, and they've all been polite and understanding, even if a speeding ticket was issued. Maybe I'm just living outside the "Cess-pool of corruption" but I highly doubt it.

[cookdawg53]

Bah, I've been pulled over by a local "County mounty" because I was in a highschool parking lot after hours and I looked "suspicious".

Do I complain? No. In fact I'm gratefull for the officer giving me a verbal warning on my insurance (which my dad seemed to have stashed away in the hardest place to find on earth).
I've never met a crooked cop, been pulled over once in my life, been in the car when it was pulled over a half dozen times by different officers from different departments, and they've all been polite and understanding, even if a speeding ticket was issued. Maybe I'm just living outside the "Cess-pool of corruption" but I highly doubt it.



THANK YOU VM KYLE

[NBW791]

Most of my court is when I'm working, but if not, it's a minimum of 2 hours overtime. PLUS...I have a take home car so I get paid from the minute I walk out to my driveway until I get back home. During that time, I may stop some more cars, work a crash, who knows....but I can milk it for OT if I really wanted to.

[Mirrain]

Well none of that matters since I didn't get a ticket. How many guilty, smart-*** kids do you know that don't get a ticket. None! Why? Beacuse I wasn't one. I was a innocent, smart-*** kid and the cop knew I could prove it.

Well I have no problem getting treats from officers just like this link will prove.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1522.asp

Lots of other times I've been threatened as well. I'm much more scared of the local police than any criminals.

If i wrote tickets to every smart *** kid I came across, I wouldn't have much time for anything else. You are not the exception to people who think they know the law better than we do.

You could not prove a charge otherwise in court. If you even attempted to bring in the radar unit and your version of what happened you will not be taken seriously. Unless you are certified, the unit is calibrated by a qualified tech, was tested accordingly, used properly and last but not least, you understood the principals of how it works, you stand no chance of beating the charge...period. But beyond that, driving too fast for the road conditions is not a typical speeding charge. It comes down to his word against yours, and I highly doubt you'll convince a judge (unless you are a professional driver) that you knew better than he did.

Nice try on the links, even the one included doesn't qualify for mistreatment. The police have every right to conduct checkpoints, stop people and lawfully detain for the purposes of an investigation into impaired driving. No reasonable person would react like that right off the hop. Even at that, the audio was missing in several areas and the poor victim couldn't even transcribe several parts of it. Which begs the question of why he of all people transcribed it to begin with. He may not have qualified for an obstruction charge but I imagine if the police wanted to entertain it, Mr Darrow could have walked himself into one. I wish him the best with his lawsuit.

As eman stated, you have a deep seeded hatred for police. I don't believe for a minute that you have any respect for the cops who follow the letter of the law. Why? Because unless they conduct themselves in a manner which you feel is appropriate, you discredit them. Just like your assumptions of people on this board having not even met any face to face.

[Taylor1430]

On a somewhat related note, does anyone's agency (or court) allow them to choose their own court dates. I learned this was a luxury that most agencies do not have.

We are not allowed to pick the exact date of the case, but based on the type of charge. For example, traffic court could be held on Monday's and Wednesdays. Criminal Court Mon, Tue, Thur, Friday. We get to submit a schedule saying I want traffic on the first and third monday of the month and I want my criminal on the second and third Thursday. Our schedule rotates and changes every couple of weeks so this allows us the luxury of not being in court all day while working midnights.

[Mirrain]

We don't exactly get to pick the days (i wish) but we do have specific days of the week that are for certain types of crime, ie: youth, provincial, federal, etc.

I could see a little more flexibility in smaller depts but it would be far too difficult to manage everyone's court in the larger metropolitan ones.

[Maxima Lover]

If i wrote tickets to every smart *** kid I came across, I wouldn't have much time for anything else. You are not the exception to people who think they know the law better than we do.

I'm sorry, but I am.

You could not prove a charge otherwise in court. If you even attempted to bring in the radar unit and your version of what happened you will not be taken seriously. Unless you are certified, the unit is calibrated by a qualified tech, was tested accordingly, used properly and last but not least, you understood the principals of how it works, you stand no chance of beating the charge...period. But beyond that, driving too fast for the road conditions is not a typical speeding charge. It comes down to his word against yours, and I highly doubt you'll convince a judge (unless you are a professional driver) that you knew better than he did.

Well the fact that the police car didn't have a calibrated speedometer and the officer has no training (at least from that department) in pacing vehicles. Around here that would be tossed out.

Nice try on the links, even the one included doesn't qualify for mistreatment. The police have every right to conduct checkpoints, stop people and lawfully detain for the purposes of an investigation into impaired driving. No reasonable person would react like that right off the hop. Even at that, the audio was missing in several areas and the poor victim couldn't even transcribe several parts of it. Which begs the question of why he of all people transcribed it to begin with. He may not have qualified for an obstruction charge but I imagine if the police wanted to entertain it, Mr Darrow could have walked himself into one. I wish him the best with his lawsuit.

Well apparently you aren't familiar with how DWI checkpoints can be conducted here. Once a person is identified as not being under the influence, they are to be on their way immediately. I was never given any sobriety test and the officer even admitted to detaining me because I wouldn't tell him where I was going. Not giving up your travel plans is not illegal in the US...Yet.

As eman stated, you have a deep seeded hatred for police. I don't believe for a minute that you have any respect for the cops who follow the letter of the law. Why? Because unless they conduct themselves in a manner which you feel is appropriate, you discredit them. Just like your assumptions of people on this board having not even met any face to face.

For some officer, yes. It comes from personal experience with them. Like when I ask why I'm being detained and I get a resonse saying the officer is going to "find a reason" to arrest me if I ask that again. If they can't conduct themselves in a professional manner and according to the law, yes I discredit them. That is not unreasonable.

I do have assumptions about some officers on this board. Some continue to support behavior from officers when they are clearly in the wrong.

[Taylor1430]

The world is out to get you. It was spitting snow by your own admission and you are ****ed off because the cop gave a verbal warning for driving like an ***. I would like to say thank you to for opening my eyes...an epiphany if you will. Because of your stop, I will no longer give any warnings, especially if they are younger than me. 18 year old kid is doing 42 in a 40, I will make the stop and he will definately get a citation. After all, you want it by the book, right? I guess all of those teenagers I have let go with a warning should consider themselves lucky.

BTW, we have a charge here that is driving too fast for conditions...and you can be written it while driving the speed limit.

Here is a video of what I'm talking about.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1978406706936066267

This officer was ticked off that I hit the green light perfectly and went right thru the intersection he was stopped at.

You can see he threatens me with court like he doesn't care that he's just made up my speed, because even if I fight it and win, he still wins. Of course he changes his attitude when I inform him of the video camera. Although I didn't have the camera rolling to show how fast I was going, he apparently thought otherwise and knew I would embarrass him in court if he did write me up.

I mean how many of you would really give a verbal warning after you get what you're going to call an attitude from a teenager? Also when he comes back he says I don't need to be going at the speed limit. Well say that at the beginning and don't start pulling numbers out of your butt and lying.

Other notes: It had JUST started spitting snow and the ground was too warm for it to even stick.

Also, I never went other 38MPH in the 40 zone. The was confirmed by my Kustom Golden Eagle that was on at the time of the stop.

[cantue5]

My daddy always told me that if you weren't doing anything wrong than you had nothing to worry about. Even if you were arrested by "accident" that the truth would come out sooner or later. I was always taught that police are on your side if you are a law abiding cititzen. I was also taught that you get back what you put out....that means that if you give someone attitude you will get attitude back, and that includes cops....they are people too. I went on some ride alongs with city and county officers and have come to the conclusion that these guys don't get paid enough. They have to deal with morons like maximalover on a daily basis! All the officers I came in contact with were great...some were lazy, some motivated, some were jerks, some were extremly kind, but all of them did their job in a way that made me feel safe. Almost everyone they stopped to talk to were either trouble makers or were on their way to commit trouble. There was one or two that were pulled over that weren't doing anything and were let go after about five minutes. No skin off anyones nose. Five minutes isn't going to make or break anyones day. In my time spent with these guys on their shifts I saw meth heads, prostitutes, intoxicated people, theifs and overall scumbags put behind bars...and not just in "bad" neighborhoods but in ritzy upperclass neighborhoods too. If I got stopped and questioned I would answer the questions and be on my way. I may have the "look" that says I am a criminal but if I am doing nothing wrong than common sense will tell me that the officer is just doing his job and to cooperate and make it easier on both of us. Better to be stopped than to have the above mentioned scum walking around or driving around my neighborhood. I am sure you would support anyone that was being "harrassed" by police after they broke into your place and were "inocently" walking down the street. Can't wait to get a job as a cop so I can "harass" innocent" people like you (ie morons).

If you don't want to get attitude from cops then stop looking for it. Any attitude I may have encountered I chalk up to a small price I have to pay for the safety I enjoy. Tired of police harrasment? Move to Iraq pal...Im sure you will feel much safer there! "Harass" on police men and women....I feel much safer knowing you are keeping us all safe! Ha!

[Sgt. Geezer]

I do know some County Deputies that have "schedules" worked out so that they generate traffic tickets in certain towns where the weekly court dates are outside their normal shift schedules. They stack them up in rotation almost like it was a scientific endeavor; and I've been told by these same Deputies that the result equals almost $10k additional per year. I have no problem with it based on the inferior pay that most agencies suffer and the fact that the Towns attain a portion of the fines. If the folks didn't violate they wouldn't be "invited" into the game.

[e-man]

My daddy always told me that if you weren't doing anything wrong than you had nothing to worry about. Even if you were arrested by "accident" that the truth would come out sooner or later. I was always taught that police are on your side if you are a law abiding cititzen. I was also taught that you get back what you put out....that means that if you give someone attitude you will get attitude back, and that includes cops....they are people too. I went on some ride alongs with city and county officers and have come to the conclusion that these guys don't get paid enough. They have to deal with morons like maximalover on a daily basis! All the officers I came in contact with were great...some were lazy, some motivated, some were jerks, some were extremly kind, but all of them did their job in a way that made me feel safe. Almost everyone they stopped to talk to were either trouble makers or were on their way to commit trouble. There was one or two that were pulled over that weren't doing anything and were let go after about five minutes. No skin off anyones nose. Five minutes isn't going to make or break anyones day. In my time spent with these guys on their shifts I saw meth heads, prostitutes, intoxicated people, theifs and overall scumbags put behind bars...and not just in "bad" neighborhoods but in ritzy upperclass neighborhoods too. If I got stopped and questioned I would answer the questions and be on my way. I may have the "look" that says I am a criminal but if I am doing nothing wrong than common sense will tell me that the officer is just doing his job and to cooperate and make it easier on both of us. Better to be stopped than to have the above mentioned scum walking around or driving around my neighborhood. I am sure you would support anyone that was being "harrassed" by police after they broke into your place and were "inocently" walking down the street. Can't wait to get a job as a cop so I can "harass" innocent" people like you (ie morons).

If you don't want to get attitude from cops then stop looking for it. Any attitude I may have encountered I chalk up to a small price I have to pay for the safety I enjoy. Tired of police harrasment? Move to Iraq pal...Im sure you will feel much safer there! "Harass" on police men and women....I feel much safer knowing you are keeping us all safe! Ha!

Very nicely spoken, thank you...

As far as Maxima Luuver, he is just a kid who is just bored with life OR has a nice fat trust fund waiting for him and needs SOMETHING to do during the day or night and figures he can change the way cops do their jobs.
YES WE ALL AGREE there are BAD cops, there are BAD LAWYERS, THERE ARE BAAAAAAD DOCTORS who kill FAR MORE people than cops do, go to www.doctors.com and bark up their tree with your crap. ACtuALLY i think you might have a career in undercover news reporting, you know the people who pose as people with back pain and secretly film chiropractors and film people on workers comp and video them working out and stuff.
Might be a good career move Maxima....

[Mirrain]

You claim to know more about the law than the officers here, yet you can't provide anything to back it up.

1) Police Interceptors are calibrated. If you had ever sat in one, and not in the rear seat, you would see it written on the plastic by the Odometer. Now regardless of whether that is tested regularly or not is irrelevant because it's one additional test your Maxima or whatever you drive hasn't been put through, at least not to the point of being certified. Furthermore, we have the equipment in place to show if there was something out of whack. You obviously didn't read the part I wrote that said "Driving too fast for conditions is just that". Doing the speed limit when the roads are slippery does not mean you can't be cited. I've had people challenge it and have won every time. It's been mentioned by other people here too. Your very admission of the weather on that tape would have supported the officer's case had he in fact cited you.

2) How do you know what the officer has or doesn't have training on? Pacing cars is not something you get a course on. If you are following a vehicle and your PC says he's going 120 mph, it's safe to say he's doing that. It has and will continue to be accepted in courts for the forseeable future. If he were pacing your from two fixed objects, it's a mathematical formula, not brain science or rocket surgery.

3) Ahhh the truth comes out. I'm sorry to tell you but you are mistaken about DWI checkstops. It is up to the officer to make the determination whether you are impaired, not you. Yes, not providing your travel plans is not against the law, however, if you are being evasive in answering questions because you don't believe you need to discuss your travel itinerary, guess what, any reasonable human being will question the reason behind that. It could be an indication you are intoxicated (and not necessarily by alcohol) or that you are a bad guy. It is also a lawful detainment, tried and tested.

4) Okay so with your logic you have an expectation that the police be friendly/professional when you attempt to provoke an arguement by not answering a simple question. Do you really think we are at all interested on where you are going? I'm sure any question they would have asked you would have gotten the same answer. I see nothing of what any of them did which would even indicate being unprofessional. If this had gone on for another 20 minutes and they decided to give you the gears, which you refused to play along with, you could be locked up for obstruction. So hate to break the bad news but they did not threaten you, and finding a reason to lock you up is a stern warning that they are not in the mood to entertain your BS. You are upset about legitimate stops and questions being asked, how would you like it if they started stopping you and holding you up every chance they got because of your reputation? Remember when you were told as a kid, "treat others how you want to be treated". I'd say you got off pretty easy because I probably would have put you through the roadside tests and gone over your car with a fine tooth comb to make sure it was safe on the road. All well within the letter of the law I might add, something you've preached on about.

5) Who determines whether the officers are in the wrong? You? What they did was not illegal, otherwise you would be rich and they would be unemployed.

Why don't you go out and do something about this, other than taking a video camera out and recording every time you get stopped by the cops and crying to the local media about it. If they are wrong, go to the court and win it. You won't but maybe that's what it takes. You know what we do for a living yet you haven't said what you do, other than the police don't like your "legal employment". I'm just going off on a shot in the dark but yes, professional crybabies are up there with lawyers on our un-favorites list. I mean really, you film police conduct you know nothing about and try to stir drama by spinning it into being unprofessional. Don't shake the bee's nest and then complain when you get stung.

You sir, need to find something else to focus your attention into and drama queen is not it.

The funny irony in all of this is while you shell out money from your own pocket in taxes to pay the police, you also spend money on tapes, radars and other junk. All to try and prove wrong the people you are paying in the first place. Even worse, they are probably laughing about it while having a coffee break. I know that is callous....but it's true.

[Maxima Lover]

You claim to know more about the law than the officers here, yet you can't provide anything to back it up.

1) Police Interceptors are calibrated. If you had ever sat in one, and not in the rear seat, you would see it written on the plastic by the Odometer. Now regardless of whether that is tested regularly or not is irrelevant because it's one additional test your Maxima or whatever you drive hasn't been put through, at least not to the point of being certified. Furthermore, we have the equipment in place to show if there was something out of whack. You obviously didn't read the part I wrote that said "Driving too fast for conditions is just that". Doing the speed limit when the roads are slippery does not mean you can't be cited. I've had people challenge it and have won every time. It's been mentioned by other people here too. Your very admission of the weather on that tape would have supported the officer's case had he in fact cited you.

If he thinks I was driving to fast for conditions, tell me that. Don't come up with a BS number of 50MPH when you and I both no I wasn't doing that.

2) How do you know what the officer has or doesn't have training on? Pacing cars is not something you get a course on. If you are following a vehicle and your PC says he's going 120 mph, it's safe to say he's doing that. It has and will continue to be accepted in courts for the forseeable future. If he were pacing your from two fixed objects, it's a mathematical formula, not brain science or rocket surgery.

But he didn't pace me. He was stopped at a stop light. We got the green as I was approaching and went thru it. He sped up, caught up with me and lit me up just over a 1/4 mile. He had no chance to pace me.

3) Ahhh the truth comes out. I'm sorry to tell you but you are mistaken about DWI checkstops. It is up to the officer to make the determination whether you are impaired, not you. Yes, not providing your travel plans is not against the law, however, if you are being evasive in answering questions because you don't believe you need to discuss your travel itinerary, guess what, any reasonable human being will question the reason behind that. It could be an indication you are intoxicated (and not necessarily by alcohol) or that you are a bad guy. It is also a lawful detainment, tried and tested.

Yes it is up to the officer. If he thinks I'm impaired though, what better way then to do a FST on me. He didn't do that because he didn't think I was impaired, just ****ed off I didn't lick his boots like everyone else that night. Do you really think a drunk is going to say, "I don't wish to discuss my personal life with you officer"? No, they are going to kiss *** to get out of there as quick as they can.

I think you are forgetting, DWI checkpoints and not a place to go fishing. This is not a regular traffic stop and the courts have made that clear. If I'm not intoxicated or another crime is not obviously apparent, I'm to be on my way immediately according to Rehnquist.

4) Okay so with your logic you have an expectation that the police be friendly/professional when you attempt to provoke an arguement by not answering a simple question. Do you really think we are at all interested on where you are going? I'm sure any question they would have asked you would have gotten the same answer. I see nothing of what any of them did which would even indicate being unprofessional. If this had gone on for another 20 minutes and they decided to give you the gears, which you refused to play along with, you could be locked up for obstruction. So hate to break the bad news but they did not threaten you, and finding a reason to lock you up is a stern warning that they are not in the mood to entertain your BS. You are upset about legitimate stops and questions being asked, how would you like it if they started stopping you and holding you up every chance they got because of your reputation? Remember when you were told as a kid, "treat others how you want to be treated". I'd say you got off pretty easy because I probably would have put you through the roadside tests and gone over your car with a fine tooth comb to make sure it was safe on the road. All well within the letter of the law I might add, something you've preached on about.

Yes, police are paid to be professional and act according to the law, I am not. When I get stopped in the middle of the road during the night while not doing anything illegal, I'm not going to be very happy and want to chit chat about my life. I have the 5th amendment right not to say a word.

I really don't care if he cares where I'm going, but I'm not going to talk about it. How about ask if I've had anything to drink and keep asking where I'm going 3 times?

I would have loved for them to lock me up. All for not licking their boots. That's not a law yet, but I know a lot of LEOs are pushing for it.

Threatening an innocent, law-abiding citizen with arrest for asking why he was being detained when he hadn't done anything wrong is appropriate? I can tell you the overwhelming majority of citizens in the US think that is wrong. I also know that the tax payers in that county that will soon see this story on their local news will thing it was unacceptable as well.

What do you mean you would have gone over my car? The inside or for equipment violations? I can tell you now, you wouldn't have found any violations as I keep my car up to state and local statutes.

5) Who determines whether the officers are in the wrong? You? What they did was not illegal, otherwise you would be rich and they would be unemployed.

Well it depends on the situation. Sometimes the courts and sometimes the public. Just because either of those hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean they won't. Neither of those were my goal though.

Why don't you go out and do something about this, other than taking a video camera out and recording every time you get stopped by the cops and crying to the local media about it. If they are wrong, go to the court and win it. You won't but maybe that's what it takes. You know what we do for a living yet you haven't said what you do, other than the police don't like your "legal employment". I'm just going off on a shot in the dark but yes, professional crybabies are up there with lawyers on our un-favorites list. I mean really, you film police conduct you know nothing about and try to stir drama by spinning it into being unprofessional. Don't shake the bee's nest and then complain when you get stung.

What do you expect me to do about it? File a complaint? Asking for a complaint in some departments around here will get you arrested. My goal is for LEOs around the area to know they are being taped and go back to acting like they are paid to do. I don't want to do to court and win because then everyone would say my goal is to profit financially.

I am a full time college student and own a painting contractor business.

The funny irony in all of this is while you shell out money from your own pocket in taxes to pay the police, you also spend money on tapes, radars and other junk. All to try and prove wrong the people you are paying in the first place. Even worse, they are probably laughing about it while having a coffee break. I know that is callous....but it's true.

I don't have a choice in paying the police. I do what any employer would do, make sure the people they are paying, are doing their job. They can laugh as much as they want. I can guarantee their supervisor aren't laughing when their departments are seen in a bad light.

[Berlioz]

I almost never go to court. I've been pulled over 25 times not inlcuding checkpoints and have gotten 4 tickets. I don't and never have had any points on my license.

ASK-A-COP!

I ask question, cop answers question. Please and thank you.

[McPhenius]

We are simply 3 hours pay.

[Blackie T.]

I wasn't speeding(not even 1mph over), but yet I was pulled over for 10+ over, and the cop gave me a "break" by giving me careless driving. And I'd rather go to court and lose(I know my chances), than pay a ticket or bargain down to something I wasn't guilty off in the first place.

P.S. I find most cops to be decent people, but you seem like a jackass on a power trip.


But is thomor actually Serbian for Moron?

[Smurfette_76]

If court is on my day to work then I just go to court...if it's on a day off, then I get OT, assuming I haven't taken time off during that pay period. But I'm kind of confused about the question...I have one court day a month...set by my PD...and all my cases are set on that day. So when I go to court, I'm not going just for one person. I have anywhere from 20-80 people on the docket for me...excluding those that felt like paying off the ticket prior to the court day (if that option was available). So, to the original poster, dont' think of it as us getting paid to go take care of you...we're taking care of lots of people...you are merely one of many...and the fines and court cost (in NC anyway) go to the STATE not to us nor to my department....so again, I don't understand the line of questioning.

[MNCop2b]

Maxima:

Why do you insist on agitating people? Do you honestly believe that LE has nothing better to do that to arbitrarily pull you over to give you a ticket? You must believe that prison is full of innocent men too don't you. If you spent as much time in school as you do trying to goad LE into pulling you over you might even graduate some day.

I really hope you actually need a police officer one day but he's tied up on some BS traffic stop similar to the crap you're pulling. Get a life!

[thinblue]

Lets end this. I get minimum 1 hour OT for court on my days off. If I'm already on duty just my hourly rate. Anything over an hour is time and half. Now if you got pulled over and the officer gave you a citation that means he's right and your wrong. The officer has to be pretty dam* confident about the stop and to give you a citation. So you want to go to court and guess what your screwed. We as officres have to articulate. I fhe wasn't sure you wouldn't have gotten a citation. Good luck in court.

[sooner1975]

we dont get OT. We get comp time

[Rohan]

Yes, police are paid to be professional and act according to the law, I am not.
Sorry but no where in my job description and definitions in our general orders does it say that- what it does say is that I'm to enforce the laws statutes and ordinances of the State of Michigan and ________ County (who employs me). The only place it makes any generalizations regarding behavior and professionalism is the section which states-

General Order 110, section 1.38.1; Standards of Professionalism
"Deputies of this department are requested to maintain a higher standard of professionalism and tolerance than the citizenery they protect, and even officers of other police departments. However, it is noted by this office, that it is oftentimes neither beneficial or prudent to operate within this guidline. During such times it is left up to the deputy to ascertain and decide what type of behavior is appropriate for a particular situation. In example, a deputy may raise his voice in certain situations as he sees fit. Utilization of cursing or swearing at the general public is also left up to the individual deputy depending on the situation, but is discouraged. In some cases such behavior may be the only method for regaining control of an unruly crowd or person. However, deputies are cautioned to not exceed what a reasonable person might deem "reasonable usage" while employing these tactics.

In the event a deputy should receive a citizen complaint regarding behavior outlined in this section, investigative and disiplinary proceedures outlined in General Order 110, section 1.52.3 will apply, as will the appeal of said rulings outlined in General Order 110, section 1.52.8."


I don't have a choice in paying the police. I do what any employer would do, make sure the people they are paying, are doing their job. They can laugh as much as they want. I can guarantee their supervisor aren't laughing when their departments are seen in a bad light.ooooooh, that's scary. :p

[Rohan]

3 hours minimum at OT rate for informal hearings for traffic
4 hours minmimum at OT for other court
I dont' know why theres a difference.

[Stewie]

Well I have no problem getting treats from officers just like this link will prove.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1522.asp

Lots of other times I've been threatened as well. I'm much more scared of the local police than any criminals.

You are such a tool, I bet you are just a lady killer...Do you try to impress them with your hi-tech radar gadgets?

You're 19 years old, when you could be out having fun with friends(Your right hand does not count), instead you are out trying to expose a huge police conspiracy!

Go away, and go get a life that leads to something productive.

PS: Yes I know this is Ask a Cop, but I feel compelled to say something to this asshat. So if I get banned, nice knowing everyone!

[ateamer]

We get four hours OT, minimum. Unless court runs into our regular shift - then it is just OT from when we arrive at court to when our shift starts.

[notasheep]

You know how all cops say "I don't care about going to court, because I get paid 3x(not sure about this) overtime to be there."

So for one ticket how much do you actually make as a cop?

3 hours minimum of O.T.