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JohnKelly

10-28-2002, 07:46 PM

Suggestion for the creation of a Forum Section titled "International Police".

I have an interest in Law Enforcement and the life styles of other LEO's from other countries, not just America, and I believe that the creation of such an International Forum would encourage members from other countries, to post more often about subjects that are of interest to other Officer.Com members from other parts of the world.

I believe that there are many overseas members on this site who do not post, simply because most of the posts relate only to American topics and there is little response or interest shown in anything that is posted in relation to anything that has occurred outside of America.

The International Police Forum could provide an opportunity for LEO's from all countries throughout the world and give an insight into Law Enforcement in other countries besides America.

The Forum sould be an open forum, availabe to all members of Officer.Com, where various questions could be asked about the country that the particular member comes from. These questions need not relate just to the job, but could cover everything from culture, travel, tourism, visits and so on.

The forum should not be restricted to Police Officers but open to other LEO's such as Customs Officers, Prison Officer etc and be established mainly to give those Officer.Com members, the opportunity to establish contact other international members.

10-28-2002, 08:24 PM

Top idea JK. I'd be there.

10-28-2002, 10:48 PM

Good idea. In the mean time, if you are interested in what is happening in Canada, check out the forum at <a href="http://www.blueline.ca." target="_blank">www.blueline.ca.</a>

rugbyman

10-28-2002, 11:31 PM

JK, I'll be a starter. We can talk about the All Blacks.. :p

JohnKelly

10-29-2002, 02:42 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rugbyman:
JK, I'll be a starter. We can talk about the All Blacks.. :p <hr /></blockquote>Indeed, I am a Wallaby first, Irish second and then a high regard for the All Blacks.

I have never been to New Zealand but I have heard about the awesome scenery that you have.

I heard on the grapevine that your beer is pretty awful and I was told that your draught beer is delivered to the pub it tankers, just like delivering petrol. Is that true!!!??

Thanks for your support. :)

JohnKelly

10-29-2002, 03:16 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Soho bandit:
Top idea JK. I'd be there.<hr /></blockquote>Thanks mate - Are you City of London or Met. The City of London put me up in a Section House - I was well looked after and it was only a stones throw to the city centre.

Cheers. :)

Edited due to spelling error.

[ 10-29-2002, 03:18 AM: Message edited by: JohnKelly ]

JohnKelly

10-29-2002, 08:11 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KL:
Good idea. In the mean time, if you are interested in what is happening in Canada, check out the forum at <a href="http://www.blueline.ca." target="_blank">www.blueline.ca.</a><hr /></blockquote>Thanks for the info KL - it is as you say, a very informative site on Law Enforcement in Canada.

10-29-2002, 09:11 AM

I'm Met, work in the West End. Not tall enough for the City (HAHAHAHA, not really)
Thanks for your support against the helmet in my other thread, you should try having a footchase wearing one.

rugbyman

10-29-2002, 11:19 AM

JK, you are right about the scenery and beer, though there is now a trend for some 'boutique' pubs to brew their own.
PS we serve the beers cold unlike Soho's mob.

Babylon

10-29-2002, 11:22 AM

Bloody helmets.........
Christ i hate them..anyone else find the metvest(our body armor,its overt,and supposedly stops up to .357.....yeah right) interesting to wear also during a footchase.....

As for internatonal forum...yes please and i think that it would be well appreciated.I like the idea of a international spin on things,i know its a US based website,but for example the Met in London has close links with the NYPD...and at the end of the day we all do the same job dealing with international idiots!!
Besides someones got to bring a bit of intelligence to this place:)

Babylon

10-29-2002, 11:24 AM

god kiwis and beer.......
Something that you'd never see <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

PeteBroccolo

10-29-2002, 12:05 PM

JohnKelly - the idea sounds good, but when you stop and think about it, it is interesting when the Commonwealth (or former!) guys like us and Soho bandit (et al) jump in to a topic (plus we can confuse those USA types with terms like, "Constable", "the Crown", "gaol" - shhhh, Don may be listening!)

Urban Jedi

10-29-2002, 02:26 PM

A very good idea.

I am sure that there are plenty of people across the globe who read O.com forums, but don't post so rather than set up a completely different website, why not expand O.com??????????????????

Pete, obviously the creation of an international forum still wouldnt stop us jumping in to the usual discussions and using alien terminology to confuse our American brethren!!!!! :D

JohnKelly

10-29-2002, 08:21 PM

Thanks for your support in relation to my suggestion for an International Forum. Still no reply from management but I intend to keep this suggestion alive.

There are still International Members who have not yet posted and I am hoping that when they log on they will give their support.

Soho - does the height requirement still exist for the City of London. I remember it was 5'11" and I think they had the Nickname of "Monuments"?

BrickCop

10-29-2002, 11:50 PM

You got my vote.

As some of you may know, I proposed a similar idea in the Restricted Forum a while back. I still think it's a great idea. I travel as much as a potted plant and subsequently have tons of questions (mostly moronic) for you guys. :D

Let me know if you don't hear anything from the Webmaster. I'll call him and pass along your suggestion.

JohnKelly

10-30-2002, 07:02 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BRICKCOP:
You got my vote.

As some of you may know, I proposed a similar idea in the Restricted Forum a while back. I still think it's a great idea. I travel as much as a potted plant and subsequently have tons of questions (mostly moronic) for you guys. :D

Let me know if you don't hear anything from the Webmaster. I'll call him and pass along your suggestion.<hr /></blockquote>Yes, you did indeed Brickcop and at the time, as I recall, I thought that perhaps we could have used the Restricted Area, but it would not pratical because many international members do not have access to that Area and in any case, the Restricted Area is not really meant for that purpose.

I have had a re-think and I feel now, that the way to go is to have an open International Forum.

Thank you for your support and your offer of assistance would be appreciated.

What have we got to lose by at least giving it a try?

[ 10-30-2002, 07:08 AM: Message edited by: JohnKelly ]

10-30-2002, 07:24 AM

JK, no the height thing went quite a few years ago which is why you can now see PC's in public order kit who are smaller then the long shields !!

Keep this thread going, one of the brass is going to have to see it soon.

Ha ha, the Commonwealth are rebelling.......

JohnKelly

10-30-2002, 07:26 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Urban Jedi:
A very good idea.

Pete, obviously the creation of an international forum still wouldnt stop us jumping in to the usual discussions and using alien terminology to confuse our American brethren!!!!! :D <hr /></blockquote>Talk about confusing our American Brethren. We had a couple of US Secret Service members who were on a visit to Australia. They were being shown around the CI Office and everyone was standing around just having a bit of a chat.

Government buildings are Non Smoking Areas and you should have seen the look on the faces of the Americans when our Senior Sergeant said he was going out to have a Fag and would they like to join him. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Urban Jedi

10-30-2002, 09:38 AM

:D ROTFLMAO!!!!!

SpecOpsWarrior

10-30-2002, 10:28 AM

It sounds like it might be an interesting idea.

10-30-2002, 06:50 PM

Ha ha, told you one of them would look in the end.
I reckon it would be a great forum addition, stick it directly under "ask a cop" or something, common, we rock and you all know it.
You love the way we talk and write (you don't understand but it makes you laugh) and Pete B and WonderWoman can act as translators if ness.
I would suggest a poll but I know how they are regarded here and I wouldn't want any of the mods to pull the plug on m

Babylon

10-30-2002, 08:33 PM

To quote a tv show from here,being as im from the place its based in.......
GWAN GWAN GWAN GWAN GWAN GWAN GWAN .......

Do it create the international forum..
If you i'll be your best friend...

Urban Jedi

10-31-2002, 03:44 AM

Do it!!! C'mon mods, lets have it. This thread won't die until the suggestion is implemented!!! :D :D :D

JohnKelly

10-31-2002, 05:10 AM

Has anyone heard from Wonga - I wonder how he is settling in at you know where. (Mum's the word on his new location)

Still no word from management on the suggestion for an International Forum, maybe they are trying to work out how to give me the big flick. :D

JohnKelly

10-31-2002, 09:26 AM

Hey mateys, I reckon a few days down the track, your are going to be saying, " Jeez, that John Kelly was a good bloke, it's a pity he got the arse from Officer.Com :D

10-31-2002, 05:13 PM

I reckon we should 'take' a forum, something harmless like the 'training' one. That would show the mods we mean business. Yeah, get them to give us our International forum and free passage to a web site of our choice and we;ll give them the training forum back. No, hold on, then the International forum would be useless 'cos we wouldn't be there. Dagnamit.
OK, plan B: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE (works for my son) PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ...........

SpecOpsWarrior

10-31-2002, 06:04 PM

BRIEFING FOR ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH OFFICER.COM

We have identified five KFT's (Known Forum Terrorists):
1. Soho Bandit
2. Urban Jedi
3. John Kelly
4. Rugbyman
5. Babylon

These five individuals are part of a small and loosely organized terrorist cell. We have recieved information that they are attempting a take over of officer.com! It is believed that they are seeking independence from officer.com and that they seek to establish their own forum.

If any of these "members" are seen, they are to be considered armed and dangerous, do not attempt to apprehend them. They are to be shot on site!

We have also identified two other forum members who may be collaberating with the five KFT's.

They are:
1. Brickcop
2. KL

They are not to be considered armed and dangerous, they are wanted only for questioning. If you should see any of these members, please alert the nearest staff member.

This plot was discovered by an R.C.M.P. officer, who was doing undercover work in The Squad Room. Obviously we will not be releasing his name for his own safety.

[ 10-31-2002, 06:07 PM: Message edited by: SpecOpsWarrior ]

Peeler

10-31-2002, 07:13 PM

Bugger, late again for a good topic. :(
Well brothers you got my vote. United we stand, divided we fall etc etc.
Don't you thing that `International Officer.com` has a nice ring about it :D

SOHO, you forgot to stamp your feet aswell <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

11-01-2002, 05:35 AM

Ha, nice to see my name at the top of the list when it was all Kelly's idea (yaknow, it's just like back at school.....)

I would never wish to leave O.com, it's one of my biggest sources of amusement (well that and my boy walking into a doorframe yesterday whilst wearing a pillowcover over his head)

Mods, you'll never take me alive. You'll have to storm my computer, after pumping haluc.....hello mr fluffy bunny, how are you?

MacLeod

11-01-2002, 10:20 AM

Good plan, I'm all for it.

Mac

p01ic3m4n

11-01-2002, 02:55 PM

if some $$$ happened to magically appear in my swiss paypal account, i might be persuaded to assist with US operations. :)

JohnKelly

11-01-2002, 07:08 PM

I wonder if there are any members of An Garda Siochana that are belong of Officer.Com?

Babylon

11-02-2002, 03:56 AM

i,m also curious about that...being from there but due to a 55yr old bloody recruitment policy wasnt able to join..so here i am..
But yes...they have unearthed our plans to campaign and corrupt all the good god fearing decent folk out there on o.com with our plans for a international forum..
Let us take over the training forum...the time for action has come...did we back down when the nazis bombed pearl harbour??
Did we stop when they changed marathon to snickers??
Did we object when they made fun of our beer??
Did we complain when they gave us wwf?
You'll never take our freedom!!!!!!!!
Whos with me!!!!!!

Babylon

11-02-2002, 06:32 AM

Regarding this whole thing,it seems that a post i entered as a joke in the training forum has been deleted.Plus from the moderator niteshift apparently i have been warned.
I was not aware that anyone was being paid to moderate or construct anything on this site,so if i am wasting anyones working time i apologise.
It seems that i possibly took a joke too far,so to Niteshift i repeat a apology,which is genuine.
My sense of humour can tend to go towards the rather inane sometimes,its all that monty python as a child.
I think that all these posts from various folk have been entered with a tongue firmly in cheek,which is something that i thought was shared by many people using this site.I have long read this site before i joined the police and since have found it valuable and interesting,and i owe a lot of folk many thanks for advice given regarding various subjects(To sbandit,thanks re the bike advice,i'll get back to you this week).But i didnt really appreciate the tone to the message,as i said i apologise for any annoyance,but i did not need to spoken to like a child.I found the tone insulting to say the least,and this was annoying considering that i on average spend about 30-45 mins a day reading this site,at least.
Thats my part over with,i think i'll be limiting my use of this site to work releated questions in future.
I know people reading this thinks theres a element of "teddy being thrown in the corner",well maybe,but if you socalise(so to speak)somewhere,and you have a bad experience,you hardly want to hang out there do you?

JohnKelly

11-02-2002, 07:11 AM

Babylon - you should not be the one to apologise.

I also was not aware that these Moderators got paid for what they do and the way in which you were addressed was just a pure insult. If this so called Niteshift is a paid employee, then is the Website Owner aware of how this employee is dealing with Members?

I made the suggestion for an International Police Forum and contray to the claim made by Niteshift, I have never been advised of any discussions being held by management in relation to adding a Forum. There has been no response from Management in relation to my suggestion.

What comes as a shock to me is that the whole subject was handled by members in a light hearted manner and the attack on you by Niteshift seemed threatening and vindictive. It was just way over the top and I can see by your reply that you are also in a state of disbelief.

I am not going to pursue the suggestion any further, it was done in good faith to encourage international members to have discussions on sujects that were occurring outside of America.

Maybe international members are not wanted here?

[ 11-02-2002, 07:32 AM: Message edited by: JohnKelly ]

Urban Jedi

11-02-2002, 08:14 AM

Hmmmmm.

Calm down everyone............we're all tired..........

Urban Jedi

11-02-2002, 08:35 AM

Here is Niteshifts post in reply to babylon (seeing as how the thread is locked, and we cannot respond):

You know, this is starting to get on my nerves.

Several of you have been told that adding a forum is being discussed. But that's not good enough. You want if 5 minutes ago. So you start thread #5 about the topic.......plus the other unrelated threads where comments were inserted.....and the signature lines.

Enough already. You're acting like children! We don't get paid to construct another section for you and you're not paying to post here. So it will happen if and when one of the admins has time to do it.

And I will tell you this much, trying to take over the training forum would be a bad move.

This thread is closed. Similar ones will be deleted without notice.

--------------------
Niteshift- Ma.WL.

I think that maybe Nite has misunderstood good natured (possibly slightly juvenile) banter and humour for some sort of desire to ****** people off.

I think the sig lines and 'comments inserted into other threads' are irrelevant really. Again, it was a response to other members posts (US members as well, who have joined in the banter). Remember, it was a mod who started the amusing chat about 'forum terrorists' etc, so how are we expected to respond?????

In resposne to Niteshift, yes, we appreciate that when a mod/administrator has time, they may well respond to requests for an international forum, which would be fantastic. We know that it may take time, and it needs to be discussed, and we fully understand this.

But your response to babylons post was somewhat vitriolic. Could you not just have PM'd or emailed him? Most of us use O.com because its a laugh, everyone (or so I thought) had a sense of humour, and its interesting to read and correspond with cops from all over. I think you may have made at least 4 members feel rather unwelcome.

Niteshift

11-02-2002, 09:01 AM

Ok.......

I was in a bad mood when I replied this morning and some of that reply has been edited out. But some of it does stand and I'll explain why:

"I was not aware that anyone was being paid to moderate or construct anything on this site"

We're not paid. That was my point. This is something we do, of our own time. We donate our time to it. We make the long distance calls from our own phones to verify people for the RA forum etc. That's partly why I find it particularly irksome to have people complaining because something wasn't done in a big rush. I'm not getting paid to do it. So it happens when I have time.

"But i didnt really appreciate the tone to the message,as i said i apologise for any annoyance,but i did not need to spoken to like a child."

And I apologize for that. I'd had a bad night and I took it out on you.

"I also was not aware that these Moderators got paid for what they do"

We're not John. See the above answer.

"I made the suggestion for an International Police Forum and contray to the claim made by Niteshift, I have never been advised of any discussions being held by management in relation to adding a Forum."

I never claimed YOU were told. Contrary to your opinion, it's not all about you. Others have been.
And one moderator DID reply in this very thread that it was an interesting idea. There were replies in other threads too.

"What comes as a shock to me is that the whole subject was handled by members in a light hearted manner and the attack on you by Niteshift seemed threatening and vindictive."

Vindictive? :rolleyes: I've already apologized to him. I don't owe you an explaination. But what Babylon didn't mention was that he DID post a thread in the Training Forum, "taking it over" and claiming it as the new International Forum.

"Maybe international members are not wanted here?"

Melodrama much John? I simply don't understand why you guys can't be patient? We do this for free. So what if you don't get it at the snap of your fingers? Do you have to beat the topic into the ground?

"We know that it may take time, and it needs to be discussed, and we fully understand this."

Apparently, everyone does not.

"But your response to babylons post was somewhat vitriolic. Could you not just have PM'd or emailed him?"

I actually had to laugh was this, because you've had a PM sitting in your box for 2 days about this topic and haven't read it. PM's are worthless if you don't read them.

Anyway, I've made my apology to Babylon. I truly mean it. I do still feel that this whole issue is simply being pushed entirely too hard. Apparently everyone has heard the saying that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, but not everyone has heard that patience is a virtue.

Urban Jedi

11-02-2002, 10:28 AM

Nite, we still love you. Thanks for the heads up about the PM!!!! :D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

BrickCop

11-02-2002, 10:34 AM

Now that the dust has apparently settled.... :p :D

It's time to discuss some serious stuff:

If you guys call cigarettes "fags", what is the UK slur used for gay people?

Over the years I watched several TV programs on Aussie beaches and have yet to see a fat person. Where do you hide them? :confused:

Are the cops in Bermuda from the UK? Do you have to bribe the Queen to get assigned there? :D

Have you ever pat frisked Elton John? Did you find he enjoyed it? How about George Michael?

Is Paul McCartney's wife as annoying as she seems in her TV interviews?

More later.....

[ 11-02-2002, 10:41 AM: Message edited by: BRICKCOP ]

Don

11-02-2002, 10:58 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BRICKCOP:

Over the years I watched several TV programs on Aussie beaches and have yet to see a fat person. Where do you hide them? :confused:

<hr /></blockquote>I've noticed the same thing Brick. What I believe is this: Either they take fat folks out and uh, er, shall we say "dispose of them" or perhaps they confine them to "fat farms." Well hidden from public view.

As a fat person myself, I've gotta say it will be a COLD DAY IN HELL before anyone sees me on the beach in a speedo. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> But we all know that common sense is lacking amoungst the general populace. . . :rolleyes:

rugbyman

11-02-2002, 01:01 PM

Just logged back in......woohhh...

Babylon

11-02-2002, 05:02 PM

Right everyones hugged..
Thanks to all,on all sides,
It seems i took a joke too far(i sent a monty pythonesque post to the training forum demanding shrubberies)and well hey ho..
Back to business folks and my search for that deputy continues.

gazza

11-02-2002, 11:29 PM

Top idea john good to see you also involved us correctional people as well,there was a forum started a while back for corrections a lot of people joined but bugger all posted as you yourself know John we/i correctional people are the forgotten ones <your people catch em and we hold em,as an old screw saying went ..the catchers and the keepers..keep on about it John ill back you ..cheers mate :)

JohnKelly

11-03-2002, 01:26 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gazza:
Top idea john good to see you also involved us correctional people as well,there was a forum started a while back for corrections a lot of people joined but bugger all posted as you yourself know John we/i correctional people are the forgotten ones <your people catch em and we hold em,as an old screw saying went ..the catchers and the keepers..keep on about it John ill back you ..cheers mate :) <hr /></blockquote>Thanks Gazza - I have always hated that "we are better than thou attitude" between Police and other Law Enforcement Members; it is not as bad as it used to be, but it even happens within the Police Forces, where one Branch thinks they are better than the other. I remember when State Police Forces used to look down their noses at FEDPOL but not anymore.

Thankfully, I think that attitude is a thing of the past, but I guess you will strike it now and again.

MadMax

11-03-2002, 05:05 AM

JohnKelly

11-05-2002, 09:26 AM

The Melbourne Cup - An Irish horse has once again won Australia's most prestigious horse race. It never ceases to amaze me how such a small country as Ireland can, over the centuries, produce such greatness. Actors, dancers, singers, writers, poets, policemen, soldiers, US Presidents, Australian Prime Ministers, horses, sports men/women and the list just goes on.

Sure if it wasn't for the Irish, countries like the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Britain, wouldn't be the great nations that they are today. :D

Babylon

11-05-2002, 07:24 PM

bless you john kelly..
The cheque is in the post...

:)

JohnKelly

11-08-2002, 02:29 AM

How's thing Lads and Lassies or as the case may be - Blokes and Sheilas or maybe just good mates.

The TV is buzzing here with The Ashes - The Old Pom is for a change, an absolute gentleman, but he is still going to get done.

Actually, the truth be known, I'm not into Cricket, but I do love to watch a good Fast Bowler, a Bradman like Batsman, a Sharp Wicket Keeper and a High Flying Catcher.

[ 12-11-2002, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: JohnKelly ]

Niteshift

11-08-2002, 03:54 AM

Perhaps using the smilies to indicate humor would eliminate some of the misunderstandings. They are available for that purpose.

JohnKelly

11-08-2002, 06:31 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Niteshift:
Perhaps using the smilies to indicate humor would eliminate some of the misunderstandings. They are available for that purpose.<hr /></blockquote>Sorry, my fault, I was talking about real life - not about Computer Websites.

I worked with Americans on Military Police Detachments back in the 60's and 70's, a bunch of good blokes - they reckoned we were as mad as two bob watches and we reckoned that they were as dumb as horse ****, but we were good mates. :) :) :D :D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[ 11-08-2002, 06:40 AM: Message edited by: JohnKelly ]

JohnKelly

11-08-2002, 07:20 AM

Hey Niteshift, just as a matter of interest. Are you a Bloke or a Sheila? :)

Niteshift

11-08-2002, 08:19 AM

I kept trying to type me answer but the profanity filter won't let me do it :p

JohnKelly

11-10-2002, 04:42 AM

I have this dreadful feeling - that the Poms are going to take the Ashes!!!

JohnKelly

11-11-2002, 09:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JohnKelly:
I have this dreadful feeling - that the Poms are going to take the Ashes!!!<hr /></blockquote>I was wrong!!! :D

MadMax

11-11-2002, 10:13 PM

MadMax

11-11-2002, 10:19 PM

What do you guy's down under, drive while on patrol? What are the pro's and cons? Also are your police national?

I would also like to get some patches, if any one is willing to trade let me know...

JohnKelly

11-12-2002, 09:35 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MadMax:
What do you guy's down under, drive while on patrol? What are the pro's and cons? Also are your police national?

I would also like to get some patches, if any one is willing to trade let me know...<hr /></blockquote>In Australia we have 7 State Police Forces and One Federal Police Force.

Check out the following which will give details on the vehicles used by Australian Police Forces and information on each Police Force.

<a href="http://www.acay.com.au/~jbartok" target="_blank">www.acay.com.au/~jbartok</a> & <a href="http://www.cops.aust.com" target="_blank">www.cops.aust.com</a>

JohnKelly

11-13-2002, 09:39 AM

Any truth in the rumour that Scotland is to have a National Police Force.?

Niteshift

11-13-2002, 09:45 AM

I'd be plenty happy to see Scotland become an independant coutry again.

JohnKelly

11-14-2002, 01:25 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Niteshift:
I'd be plenty happy to see Scotland become an independant coutry again.<hr /></blockquote>I'm pretty sure that they now have their own Parliament, but I'm not sure how it works in relation to Westminster.

I have worked with a fair few Jocks in my time, they are good blokes to have on your side when you are facing some angry men.

Never met one yet that didn't have a love for a good Malt.

Cheers :)

MacLeod

11-18-2002, 09:39 AM

No truth in the rumor we're going to have a national Police force.

It's an old idea that get punted about from time to time, nobodys done anything with it.

We do have our own parliamnet which so far hasn't done anything outstanding, but it's only young.

I doubt well be independant anytime soon. But at least the malt is still flowing.

Mac

JohnKelly

11-28-2002, 07:33 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BRICKCOP:
[QB]Are the cops in Bermuda from the UK? Do you have to bribe the Queen to get assigned there? :D

I remember, years ago, in the days when the sun never sat on the British Empire, there was great overseas jobs in Colonial Police Forces and Prison Services. A Constable or Prison Officer in a UK Force was able to virtually transfer to a Colonial Police Force and go straight to the rank of Inspector. I'm talking about places like, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Kenya, Bermuda, India, Palestine - there were lot of other places, but I just can't remember them all.

ajwilson1978

11-28-2002, 09:29 AM

How easy is it for police officers from one Commonwealth nation to relocate to another Commonwealth nation...say from Canada to Australia?

:cool:

11-28-2002, 03:34 PM

Answer to JK's thing, we still post officers to the Caymen Island's and a few other hell holes and no, we don't bribe the Queen (what, like she need's more money?!)

As far as transfering between one Commonwealth country to another......yeah, right. I've got as much chance getting to live in the US as I have Canada, although it's fine for them (all of them, NZ, AUS etc) to come and live and work in the UK.

9-11

11-28-2002, 10:45 PM

Soho Bandit you are absolutely correct. Try coming here to the U.S to work, you, the kiwis, and the aussies have almost no chance. However, if kiwi cops want to travel to Australia and take up residency, no problem. The Queensland Police have a lateral recruitment program that allows kiwis to join up. However, the NZ Police have no such scheme, and any Aussie cops wanting to join the NZ Police (are there any?), have to start at square one! What gives? If Aussies or Kiwis want to work as a cop in the UK, no problem, they just need to be citizens of the Commonwealth. If a British cop wants to go to Australia, forget it! Seems a little one-sided to me.

JohnKelly

11-29-2002, 07:50 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Soho bandit:
Answer to JK's thing, we still post officers to the Caymen Island's and a few other hell holes and no, we don't bribe the Queen (what, like she need's more money?!)

As far as transfering between one Commonwealth country to another......yeah, right. I've got as much chance getting to live in the US as I have Canada, although it's fine for them (all of them, NZ, AUS etc) to come and live and work in the UK.<hr /></blockquote>Well, why shouldn't we Australians go back to the Mother Country and rip you off - you were the ones that sent us out here on convict ships in the first place and just for either stealing a loaf of bread or for being Irish, but I tell you what, we've done well for ourselves and we can now play Cricket and Rugby better than you Poms anyday. :p

JohnKelly

11-29-2002, 08:25 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 911:
Soho Bandit you are absolutely correct. Try coming here to the U.S to work, you, the kiwis, and the aussies have almost no chance. However, if kiwi cops want to travel to Australia and take up residency, no problem. The Queensland Police have a lateral recruitment program that allows kiwis to join up. However, the NZ Police have no such scheme, and any Aussie cops wanting to join the NZ Police (are there any?), have to start at square one! What gives? If Aussies or Kiwis want to work as a cop in the UK, no problem, they just need to be citizens of the Commonwealth. If a British cop wants to go to Australia, forget it! Seems a little one-sided to me.<hr /></blockquote>911 - on a more serious note than my last post.

Quote - " If Aussies or Kiwis want to work as a cop in the UK, no problem, they just need to be citizens of the Commonwealth"

Wrong - for a start there is no such thing as a Citizen of the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth of Nations is a loose international association of nations that were previously part of the British Empire and in my opinion still just get together for old times sake over a cup of tea, a Gin and Tonic and perhaps a few beers over a good game of Cricket.

However, there are provisions for Australians, who are of British parents or grandparents to work and live in the UK indefinitely.

I could keep going on this, but this is basically my understanding of the current situation.

ajwilson1978

11-29-2002, 11:04 AM

What about international agreements between police forces...sorta like exchanges? A police officer from Canada switches with an officer from Australia, or something along those lines? It would go a long way towards promoting an understanding of differences in international policing procedures.

:)

11-29-2002, 05:18 PM

You might have some luck with the Aussies but over here, it's almost impossible to get an exchange / attachment at another station in the Met. There is noooooooooooooo way they would let us go abroad. :(
JK, btw, well done in the old cricket, could you ever see the result going any other way????
Crapped on the All Blacks though a couple of weeks ago though, always nice to see after that lovely dance they do before kick off. :D

JohnKelly

12-01-2002, 04:42 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Soho bandit:
You might have some luck with the Aussies but over here, it's almost impossible to get an exchange / attachment at another station in the Met. There is noooooooooooooo way they would let us go abroad. :(
JK, btw, well done in the old cricket, could you ever see the result going any other way????
Crapped on the All Blacks though a couple of weeks ago though, always nice to see after that lovely dance they do before kick off. :D 

<hr /></blockquote>I know what you are saying but, I'm a bit worried about the current standard of the Wallabies against The All Blacks.

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By-Tor

12-03-2002, 04:25 AM

Hello from Scotland.

Just to answer a few points.

1.No National Police Force as yet. It has been discussed at politician level and I believe it is on the back burner. The idea actually isn't that strange. The law in Scotland is different from England and Wales to start with [ we apply Scot's Law]. As pointed out we have our own parliament. Our country is divided into 8 different Forces which are co-terminus to the old Regions [states]. We all basically wear the same uniform, have the same equipment etc so one force, say divided into 8 Divisional areas wouldn't be too difficult.

2.The malt still flows [hic, hic]

3.Paul McCartneys wife is an clown [and anti-police][she lost her leg after being hit by a police motor cycle I believe]

4.Aussies, that was some display of cricket!!AWESOME

5.Na na na na na, we don't have helmets.

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JohnKelly

12-04-2002, 08:40 AM

New Zealand Police Officers - great news on the acquittal of Senior Constable C. ABBOTT. :)

9-11

12-06-2002, 02:06 AM

John Kelly - wrong. Maybe you should have done some research before stating that "there is no such thing as a citizen of the Commonwealth".

In fact, commonwealth citizens who do not have restrictions on their stay, are eligible to join English Police Services.

West Mercia Police:
NATIONALITY : Candidates must be either British citizens or Commonwealth citizens

South Yorkshire Police:
NATIONALITY : Candidates must be either British citizens or Commonwealth citizens

Nottinghamshire Police
A British citizen or a Commonwealth citizen

Surrey Police:
Nationality - Are you a British Citizen, Citizen of the Irish Republic, or a Commonwealth Citizen?

Thames Valley Police
Question
Do you have to be a British Citizen to become a police officer?
Answer
The current entry criteria is that inorder to eligible for appointment the candidate must be a British Citizen or a Commonwealth Citizen.

JohnKelly

12-06-2002, 10:37 PM

Ok 911 - let me put it another way. A citizen is a person who has full rights in a nation by birth or by naturalisation. The Commonweath is not a nation and therefore does not have any citizens as such.

Howvever, what the Commonweath does have, is Citizens of Countries which are members of the Commonwealth.

Cheers.

rugbyman

12-06-2002, 11:17 PM

JK, cheers mate. If he had of been found guilty the ramifications for all of us were too horrible to imagine.
Thankfully commonsense prevailed. :)

JohnKelly

12-15-2002, 06:30 AM

Joining the Police Force - I remember the days when the most sought after person to join the police was someone who had knocked about a bit - military, banks, building sites, factories, mines, farms, shops and so on. They would look at joining the job as a means of having a secure job and would be content to remain a Constable until they retired. Some, once in the job, realised that they had a bit of potential and got promoted to Sergeant and beyond. However, no matter what, they stayed in the job and it was from the cradle to the grave. In lots of cases the sons followed the father into the job.

The basic qualifications for the job was was to be a certain height and weight, fit, have no criminal record and to be able to read and write and compose a good essay and have a good general knowledge about your country and its people.

The Police Forces were always screaming out for good men and if you fitted the above criteria, then they would snap you up.

You got paid from the day you joined and once you graduated from the Academy or the Training Depot, you were part of The Brotherhood and so on it went.......

So, based on my experiences, I just wonder to myself how the ordinary man (oops person) as described above is ever going to get into the Police Force these days?

Just looking at this Website under Job Search, I see people who have University Degrees in This and That, they enter Police Academies and have to pay there own way and have to buy their own equipment and they don't even get a salary while they are a Recruit.

Thankfully that is not the case in Australia, New Zealand or the UK, but the qualifications and the back ground of the Recruits has changed and the Recruits that are coming out of the Police Academy are no longer your Farm Hands, Bank Tellers, Builders Labourers, Trades Men etc but instead University Graduates with Degrees in everthing except commonsense.

Yet, the job itself hasn't changed in terms of catching crooks, helping people out, breaking up fights in Pubs and so on.

So, how come you have to have all these academic qualifications these days, just to be a Flat Footed Walloper, The Old Bill, The Filth, a Wooden Top, a Jack, a Copper and whatever else?

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JohnKelly

12-15-2002, 06:38 AM

oops - double post

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Sig220Man

12-15-2002, 12:14 PM

JohnKelly,

I think the reason you see such an emphasis on higher education in American (and I think even Canadian) police forces is that there has been an effort for some time now to elevate the social status of this job from blue collar ranks to something along the lines of say, a computer technician or engineer.

It's no secret that some police administrators are of the mindset that college education = more likely to succeed. You are correct in that it seems like police departments everywhere are more likely to hire someone with a degree in anything but common sense, than someone with a basic high school education but has learned at an early age to survive the real world without the help of Mommy and Daddy.

One definite benefit of a college-educated recruit is that they are more likely to succeed in those areas that require those same basic high school skills. In some parts of the US, it is not uncommon to find a person with a high school diploma who cannot read and write beyond a 6th grade level. A common complaint from academy trainers and FTO's across the country is the growing number of recruits who cannot even write a simple police report.

ajwilson1978

12-16-2002, 12:14 AM

I fail to see how earning a university degree automatically discounts an individual from having common sense??
:confused:

I have a degree in Criminal Justice, and I like to think of myself as a commonsense everyman...in addition to my degree, I enjoy carpentry and renovation work and I love dealing with people. I am equally at ease with writing an essay as swinging a hammer or running new electrical service or chatting people up at the local market.

I think this issue is another one of people stereo-typing degrees holders as out of touch with reality...that is inaccurate (for the most part), and just not cool.

:cool:

Niteshift

12-16-2002, 12:33 AM

"I fail to see how earning a university degree automatically discounts an individual from having common sense??"

That's not what Sig was saying at all........

What he means is that merely having a degree is by no means a guarantee of having common sense. But some agencies are under the mistaken impression that a degree qualifies someone and lack of a degree disqualifies them from being a good cop.

Some of the smartest people I've met don't have degrees. I know an old guy that has more practical engineering knowledge than most professors do, but he didn't complete high school.

Likewise, I've met people with Ph. D's that make me wonder how they manage to tie their own shoes in the morning.

A degree doesn't make you smart; lack of a degree doesn't make you dumb and vice versa.

Sig220Man

12-16-2002, 05:31 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ajwilson1978:
I fail to see how earning a university degree automatically discounts an individual from having common sense??<hr /></blockquote>It doesn't, but I know quite a few people who are "educated" but sometimes cannot figure out solutions to simple problems.

Yet, like JohnKelly said, it seems like there is a perception among some higher-ranking LE that if you hire a college-educated recruit, you're more likely to get a successful candidate than one who only has a basic high school diploma. I know that when I took my CJ classes in college, at least a couple of the textbooks had mentioned this.

Just look at the recruiting standards of many departments. A commonly found one here in CA is "sixty semester units." It doesn't specify what TYPE of classes, just 60 units. So I guess if I took enough classes in physical education, work-study, and underwater basket-weaving, I will qualify for the job :rolleyes:

Sgt Lobster

12-16-2002, 12:28 PM

Here in the UK the police have more graduates than all the armed services combined.

In fact degrees are common place. One of my fears is that the expectation of these officers will simply not be fulfilled.

At the momement the police services of the UK are mass recruiting. There is a story going round that students are joining the job in their gap year -

Sparky

12-16-2002, 04:23 PM

Gap year?

Career break?

Sorry, but I seem to be a little light on the lingo.

Fascinating, though. Two nations seperated by a common language. :D

Sgt Lobster

12-16-2002, 07:18 PM

Sparky,

In the UK students normally go onto university at 18/19 after taking their Advanced Level General Certificates of Education - A Levels.

Some students however take a year out of studying and travel/enjoy themselves hence the term gap year.

You can join the police here at 18 years 6 months. So what some of them have been doing is joining the police doing the training on

JohnKelly

12-17-2002, 05:13 AM

I have been browsing through our previous posts in the International Police Forum and you would have to admit that there are some top informative posts that give the reader some excellent information on International Policing.

I was the one that launched the International Police Forum. :)

Would there be anyone out there who would be prepared to nominate me for a Life Membership of Officer.Com? :D

rugbyman

12-17-2002, 12:57 PM

JK, I'll do it, but it will cost you a XXXX gold lager :)

Urban Jedi

12-18-2002, 07:34 AM

Jonno
I'll second your nomination. It'll cost you a real beer, not your usual watered down antipodean sheep dip stuff tho!!!!! :D :D

JohnKelly

12-20-2002, 06:41 PM

Thanks anyway guys - but forget the Life Membership Nomination; I've just come up with a better idea. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Rugbyman, you have good taste in beer - XXXX Gold is not a bad brew. It is a Queensland Beer and is therefore mainly consumed in that State.

Urban Jedi, I'm not really up with English Beers -but I did taste a few when I was there on a trip in 1999. Most were Lagers and I really prefer a good Bitter and I think that would be the case with most Australians.

Most Brits think Fosters is the only Australian Beer - not so, we only export Fosters because no one here will drink it. :D

All the best, hope to see you both around the traps. :)

sheriff3399

12-22-2002, 05:58 PM

I love to drink a Heineken on the international forum. Nice idea, JK!

kyvid

12-28-2002, 06:38 AM

G'day from Downunder

New to this forum so I thought I drop an intro.

I am a Sergeant of Police with the Queensland Police Service. I have been with the QPS for twenty years now. Have been back in Uniform for last three plus years. Prior to that I was a Detective in the Juvenile Aid Bureau investigating Child Abuse, Juvenile Crime and missing kids. I was in the Juvenile aid for 14 years prior to going back to Uniform.

In my spare time I also help run an email and Forum group for Australian and New Zealand Law Enforcement called Aussiecops. It is not affiliated with any Department or Union and is just a group of Law Enforcement Officers who share ideas, stories and peer support for each other.

A number of members enjoy hosting visiting Police and subsequently we have set up an area on the aussiecops website so that we can help out or meet up. This can be found at
<a href="http://www.aussiecops.com/internat.html" target="_blank">http://www.aussiecops.com/internat.html</a>

All members are genuine in their willingness to help and meet visting Law Enforcement Officers. My Family have been fortunate enough to host 6 visiting Police and their partners. We do our best to ensure integrity and security of the group for obvious reasons.

If we can be of assistance to any visiting law enforcement Officers then please do not hesitate to ask.

Take care and stay safe

Dave Wells
Moderator
Aussiecops
<a href="http://www.aussiecops.com" target="_blank">www.aussiecops.com</a>

Deputy757

12-28-2002, 02:10 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sgt Lobster:

We also get a lot of graduates leaving on career breaks and not coming back. What the job needs to do is balance the graduates with mature recruits, who are prepared to spend 30 years doing the job the public expects.<hr /></blockquote>That's what my wife did. She joined the police service when she was 21 and had just completed university. She was supposed to be one of many they recruited from universities that were "fast tracked" to higher rank but that never happened. She spent 14 years working as a PC and finally said enough is enough. I think the fact that the service was hiring people that had no drivers license pushed her over the edge!

Sgt Lobster

12-29-2002, 12:43 PM

There are only a finite number of senior officers posts in any force, so if people are being completely honest then the majority will never get higher than constable/sergeant.

That said what is wrong with doing the job you joined to do and what the public want ? What I think get some people down, are that some seem to get far more opportunities than others.

As George Orwell wrote "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

Lobster.

Deputy757

12-29-2002, 03:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sgt Lobster:
That said what is wrong with doing the job you joined to do and what the public want ? What I think get some people down, are that some seem to get far more opportunities than others.
<hr /></blockquote>I would agree but if the job you were hired to do included being promoted within a certain amount of time and then you weren't and it didn't look like you would for the forseeable future...that would not exactly make you a happy camper!
One might ask..well, why keep at it then...but it's not always so easy to leave something once you've invested a bit of time into it.

rugbyman

12-29-2002, 06:35 PM

In today's PC, new age, EEO police departments, it would be very very brave to GUARANTEE someone promotion within a certain time.
I can see the employment lawyers grinning already.
Whatever happened to the bad old days of "best person for the job" (sigh).

Peeler

12-29-2002, 08:59 PM

Kyvid, welcome to the best topic in town. Now, where were you when I was burgled twice in a week when I lived in Kangaroo Point, ehh ehh thats what I want to know <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
Seriously though its good to know that you run such a `scheme`. I have some good friends in Indooroopilly which I may visit this year. If I do, I'll be in touch :)

kyvid

12-30-2002, 12:45 AM

Peeler, I wasn't there as you were on the wrong side of the river. If you had been on the northside now thats a different story. :D

Hope you do come to visit and if you haven't got a place to stay let me know. You will be most welcome. The family loves having visitors.

Take care

Dave

Sgt Lobster

12-30-2002, 03:01 PM

In the UK whilst we do not have entry other than at constable level; if you meet the criteria you can apply for the High Potential Development Scheme.

This scheme is very hard to get onto: but provided you achieve the very high levels of performance required; and pass the sergeant and inspector's promotions examinations, you should reach Chief Inspector rank within 5 to 7 years.

The expectation of any officer on this scheme is that they will reach Chief Officer rank.

Lobster.

9-11

01-01-2003, 11:46 PM

I have worked for three law enforcement agencies. The first one had a GED hiring requirement (High School Diploma). Although it was a traffic enforcement agency, and generally hired good people, some had no idea. The second was a very large PD which also required a GED for entry. This dept hired people you wouldn't even consider for law enforcement. My current dept requires a 4 yr degree for entry. Although we have lazy cops, there is not one officer who is inept or stupid. The degree requirement has made a huge difference in services to the public and, personally made me believe that generally, a degree-educated officer is a more competent officer.

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JohnKelly

02-03-2003, 10:27 PM

I have been browsing through some of the posts in the International Police Forum and found some really interesting subjects and topics.

A recommended read for anyone seeking information on life outside of the US. :)

Urban Jedi

02-04-2003, 05:25 AM

I couldnt agree more, Jonno.

Bumpity bump.....

dc298

02-04-2003, 08:02 AM

Good day to all,, I have been a member of O.Com for a few months and beleive it or not this is the first time in this thread, I recognize some names from other forums and Say a hello to all.. I am 25 yr veteran Police Officer in Toronto Ontario Canada. I am 58 yrs old and intend to retire as soon as my wife lets me..I havent met any other officers from my service in any posts.. If anyone has any questions about Ontario forces let me know I will answer or locate the answer for you..

Sgt Lobster

02-10-2003, 04:30 AM

dc298

How does the pension work in Ontario ?

In The UK constables and sergeants generally have to retire at 55, inspectors and superintendents at 60 and chief officers at 65.

You can take a half pension on completion of 25 years service and attaining 50 years of age, and a full 2/3 pension after 30 years service. You do not have to be 50 to draw a full pension and some officers can therefore retire at 48 1/2.

The government takes 11% of your basic salary to help finance our non-funded pension scheme.

Lobster.

dc298

02-10-2003, 08:02 PM

Thank you for the reply... Our pension plan is a joint contribution system..(Which for the past couple of years has been suspended due to enormous profits the pension administrators have made in the stock market,and gov't regulations governing pension plans)The employer pays a percentage of the contibutions and we pay a percentage..I cannot give you a good overview of all of the options other than to say..The officers must work and accumulate a combination of age in years and years of service to a certain total(because of all the various options i will explain mine) I have to accumulate a minimum 85 factor in order to retire. the number of years of service dictates the amount of pension paid. Usually the pension is not paid until age of 60 is attained.. I am 58 yrs 3 months of age. I have 25 yrs and 6 months service= 83yrs 9 months.basically the time doubles for every month of service (age+seniority) I can retire now but the pesnion amount will be too little for me to survive until age 60 when the Canada Pension plan kicks in....so I have to wait for the factors to build by 15 divided by 2 =7.5 months==85.. I will then be almost 59 yrs old.. I still have to wait until im 60 to get enough pension money, so I will be working until some time in 2004, i will use all my annual leave, my accrued days and a few hundred sick bank hours to get me to 60.(total of approx 87 factor) I will retire and will have a city pension of approx $33000.00 I will then at 60 yrs old be able to collect my Canada pension plan of approx $7000.00 yr totalling $40,000 less taxes of course..It works out to approx $1200 a year for every year of service in the end, I will have a paid drug and dental plan..For a 30 year man it would be approx 60% of base salary..It is complicated and it is hard to explain without having the manual here.. Hope this is informative...

Sgt Lobster

02-11-2003, 05:36 AM

dilligaff,

Certainly the impression this side of the Pond is that police pensions especially in the US are much better than you get here.

The police pension scheme in the UK is very good, and you are allowed to commute a tax free lump sum up to a maximum of 2 1/4 times your gross pension entitlement. Taking the lump sum does however reduce your monthly pension. If you manage to accrue a full 30 year pension it is certainly possible to live off it, especially if you have paid your mortgage off.

There are also provisions for ill health/injury pensions, death benefits etc. Whilst ill health/injury pensions are enhanced if you have less than 26 1/2 years service you will not get a full pension. State pensions are not payable until you reach 65, and private health care is not necessary due to our National Health Service.

Lobster.

9-11

02-11-2003, 06:05 AM

One downside of the US retirement scheme is that officers are loathe to move. I know of several NYPD cops who tried to lateral down to Florida. When they discovered they could not move their retirement plans with them, they gave up and stayed in sunny NY. My impression is that the all important retirement package stops a lot of great cops from moving around the US.

Sgt Lobster

02-11-2003, 06:28 PM

Police pensions in the UK are common to all forces and governed by national regulations. Therefore if you do a lateral move to another force you do not lose any benefits.

Lobster.

Traffic_Goddess

02-14-2003, 01:26 AM

John-
Where have you been? The International forum went missing!

Bump!

Deputy757

02-14-2003, 07:13 AM

Sgt Lobster,
Perhaps you can help me out. My wife has resigned from the police service after 14 years on the job. We are now living in the US. She is going to write to someone to get some information about where she stands and what her options are regarding her pension, but we're not holding our breath on how quickly we'll get a reply. Do you have any information about that sort of thing? We are specifically wondering if she can roll the money over into a pension system here without having any huge tax liability in the UK.

Sgt Lobster

02-14-2003, 10:37 AM

Deputy 757,

Ordinary Pensions.

Officers may retire any time after completing 25 years service but will not receive a pension until they attain the age of 50 years, or have completed 30 years service whichever is the sooner.

Preservation of Pensions for Early Leaver - Deferred Pension.

A police officer leaving the service who has completed 2 or more years service will have his/her pension frozen and it will be paid on attaining 60 years of age.

In the UK if you are coming from or going to certain other occupations you may also be able to transfer your previous pensionable service towards a police or other occupational pension scheme.

Suggest your wife writes to her former forces pay & pensions department. She may also be able to get advice from her former Police Federation Office.

Unfortunately I am not an accountant so I have no idea about tax matters. I know of a number of officer down the years who have emigrated to Australia and joined the police there but could not transfer their police pension rights.

Lobster.

dc298

02-14-2003, 03:05 PM

Deputy 757...I know of several British Police officers that came to Canada and took up employement with Canadian Police Agencies....they used previous police employment to get accepted.. I seem to recall that they couldnt swithch over their pensions to here, nor could they use their accumulated seniority from Over there.. But i think that some of them enjoy getting some form of pension from Britian.. I will refer you to our police association, email them and ask if someone can assist you with info.There are numerous members from GB that are now retired. <a href="http://www.torontopoliceassn.ca" target="_blank">http://www.torontopoliceassn.ca</a>

Deputy757

02-15-2003, 07:07 AM

Thanks Lobster...and dc. She is writing to the pension board (or whatever it is) however, overseas correspondence is timely and nothing like talking to someone face to face. We may just leave it until we visit there later this year. dc, I appreciate the link and the info. I know that many former UK officers work in Canada. I guess there isn't the citizenship problem to contend with there. I wish we didn't have that problem here, though she isn't too keen on doing anymore law enforcement anyway.
Once we get this sorted, the next thing is figuring out if she can continue to contribute to the state pension. Oh..the headaches she took on in marrying me!!! :D

Sgt Lobster

02-21-2003, 08:22 AM

Deputy 757,

The following web site may prove useful <a href="http://www.dwp.gov.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.dwp.gov.uk/</a>

This is the site for the Department of Work & Pensions(DWP) formerly known as the Department of Social Security(DSS). It has loads of information on state pensions and benefits. Also have a look at the UK Government site which should also prove helpful <a href="http://www.ukonline.gov.uk/Home/HOHome/1,1031,~801b22~fs~en,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.ukonline.gov.uk/Home/HOHome/1,1031,~801b22~fs~en,00.html</a>

Lobster.

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