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[Signal 47]

Ditto! PM me for introductions if interested. Otherwise, til Jan! :D

[cautus]

See you gents and ladies in January. The yahoo stalking can stop, hallelujah. Would also like to get a pre-January group going.

[Fed_Off]

Hey boys...count me in for Jan class.

[Mike Honcho]

Did those go out via snail-mail or email?

Thanks

[Fed_Off]

Got mine via email.

[h6cayuse]

Congrats to all who received an offer! the rest who are still in limbo, hold on tight. It will come soon!

[AxelFoley]

To all who received offers for January, congratulations! Hope to meet you all soon in the near the future!

Best,
Axel

[Scout_08]

All,
I appologize to just throw this in the middle of the thread but I have some questions that I was hoping a current DS SA could help me with.

So, I took the online assesment it said I passed. Now a bit about me.

30, former Army CPT, IN, spent a couple tours in the sand box, current FED LEO with ICE (sucks), working on an MA in international relations.

MARRIED WITH 2 SMALL CHILDREN.

Here are my concerns. First, I have no illusions about what this job is, I am sure the the process will be hurry up and wait and I am in a position that will allow me to wait. I have spoken to DS recruiters in the past but they dont seem too much different than a military recruiter.

So.....what is the quality of life like for a DS SA?

When I get assigned overseas, what is the housing like? Will they take into consideration the fact that you have a family and send you somewhere like Taiwan vs. the Horn of Africa or Pakistan?

Is there any added level of security for your family overseas?

Would you consider your famliy to be targets over seas? And if so, will they send an agent with a family to a place where they are likely to be a target or subjected to terrible living conditions?

I know that any embassy overseas is going to be a target with a US Flag flying over it. My wife was also an officer in the military and understands that much. But my concern is what their life will be like when I am gone at the embassy everyday.

Will they go to school with the locals? Is there schooling for my children?

Will I have a choice to pick a country that is not as dangerous to take my family? Or will DS simply say tough............you signed up, your going unaccompanied to Baghdad for 2 years.

I dont mind taking details overseas, I wouldn't mind going to a hot zone, but if I wanted to have my mind made up for me entirely, I would have just stayed in the military.

When I make my wish lists, are they going to be broken down by region? If so, I would assume that there would have to be order of preference for the middle east.

Ya know when I got off active duty,I realized that the military is 10X more squared away than most federal agencies but I have heard great things about this agency if you are will into to play the game that DS wants it played. My only question is.....WILL THEY CARE ABOUT MY FAMILY?

By the way, Im not sure if it is the caliber of people that attempt to apply for this position, but the discussions are 10 fold better than most other blogs.

Dave

[h6cayuse]

:DScout 8! I joined having the exact background as you except the ICE part. I currently work with a former ICE agent that worked LA. He said DSS is night and day compared to ICE! On where your family will be will depend on you! If you bid on it, then you must be prepared to live there. On the other hand, if you don't then don't worry about it. As for places that place your family in that much danger, it will most likely be an unaccompanied tour. Other than that your family will be just fine living with other American families if it is a little more dangerous than normal or among the locals in places like Western Europe. In DS, your family will be as safe as you make them. Why? Because it is DSS who is in charge of security overseas. The State Department is the most family friendly agency out there because of our overseas mission. The government figures that if we have to live somewhere outside the comfort zone then there has to be some perks like free housing, medical, and awesome private American schooling for the kids overseas! I came from two back to back Iraq tours to a whirl wind of DS Iraq deployments. They asked, I said no and they said "Thank you for serving our country in the military. I understand and have a good day!" No repercussions or anything. I was amazed I actually had a choice! I am still a FNG (friggin New guy) and feel like any minute the Army attitude of not recommended but highly encouraged will pop up but I haven't seen it since I began early this year! I actually have a say! It's pretty cool! Go for it! You'll love it!
SCOUT OUT!!

[LivindaDream]

Scout - to answer your question outright - Yes! Your family will be as safe as any other family in the Foreign Service. As a DS Agent, the security of ALL families, to include your own, is your mission.

So.....what is the quality of life like for a DS SA?

It will all depend on your expectations. The Foreign Service is not the military and the lifestyles contrast considerably. I personally think our quality of life is top notch. Some countries are better than others.

When I get assigned overseas, what is the housing like? Will they take into consideration the fact that you have a family and send you somewhere like Taiwan vs. the Horn of Africa or Pakistan?

In the FS there are generally two types of assignments: accompanied (i.e. Horn of Africa, Taiwan) and unaccompanied (all of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Beirut etc.) The list of unaccompanied tours is short. It is your responsibility to search out and "bid" on positions that meet your specific family situation. Married with 2 kids is neither unique nor compelling. I get the impression you may already have a preconceived notion of where would be a desirable or undesirable assignment for your family based on geography (Horn of Africa) or what the military would consider a "dangerous" environment. It is important you and your family understand, in the big scheme of things, the family is just as likely to be assigned to Addis Ababa, Ethiopia as Singapore.

Would you consider your family to be targets over seas? And if so, will they send an agent with a family to a place where they are likely to be a target or subjected to terrible living conditions?

Yes, American Diplomats and their families are high profile targets for anyone wishing to do our country harm. We mitigate this threat by hiring DS agents. Terrible living conditions is relative. Malaria and other funky environmental diseases - yep. Intermittent power - yep. The worst kind of poverty you could ever imagine - bet on it. But hey, this the FS.


I know that any embassy overseas is going to be a target with a US Flag flying over it. My wife was also an officer in the military and understands that much. But my concern is what their life will be like when I am gone at the embassy every day.

Will they go to school with the locals? Is there schooling for my children?

Your kids will go to an international school, play sports, make friends and excel. Your wife will make friends, establish a routine, or may even get a job. The backdrop to all this will be the criminal threat, terrorism, and political stability of the country you are assigned.

Will I have a choice to pick a country that is not as dangerous to take my family? Or will DS simply say tough............you signed up, your going unaccompanied to Baghdad for 2 years.

You will have a choice based on the assignments available at the time. I will this; if you do not want to go somewhere you do not put it on your list. If you have personally decided or will decide there are some places you will not take your family, then your choices will be limited. And since 1st world assignments are highly desired the probability for disappoint increases.

Baghdad is a 1 year unaccompanied tour.

I tried to be as succinct as possible to avoid any misinterpretation. Hope I did not come off as unsympathetic to your concerns. If you have more specific questions please feel free to PM me.

[vlasu14]

So I see some people have taken the online assessment recently, within the last two weeks. Has anyone heard anything back yet, or have an idea of when we should hear back? At the end of the assessment it just said I would be contacted based on how competitive my scores were. Anyone else get this same message?

[bork]

So I see some people have taken the online assessment recently, within the last two weeks. Has anyone heard anything back yet, or have an idea of when we should hear back? At the end of the assessment it just said I would be contacted based on how competitive my scores were. Anyone else get this same message?

From what I can tell by browsing the old posts, everyone who passed received that same message.

Looking at the earlier posts in this forum, it looks like people started hearing back around 3-6 months later. I'd love to hear something tomorrow, but I'd be very surprised if anything happened before the new year.

[Security-FS]

Anyone have an idea of how many people got invites for Jan (how large the class is)? Any ideas when the next round of invites goes out? Anyone still waiting on BI or suitability?

Anyone ever hear of a DS SA getting "released" for sub-standard performance during FLETC or DSTC, either for academic or PT issues? Anyone know when the PEB is conducted during FLETC?

Anyone have a list of items that they should've brought to training? I'm not referring to fridges, tvs, . . . etc, but more of gear they should've brought - raingear . . . ?

Thanks for answers to all the questions!

[DSS Hopeful]

Bork and vlasu I am in the same boat. Received the "you passed message" at the comclusion of the test. THere is a female in my office who took the test back in January and thinks she remembered getting a call within weeks. That may have been because of gender and HR having numbers to hit for females (just my guess). There is another guy in my office who took it and never got the call so I assume he didn't make the competitive cutoff. I figure since we are in the same boat maybe we can keep in touch via PM or on here to let each other know if/when we get contacted. And so the waiting begins...

[DSS Hopeful]

Scout I will try to sum this as briefly as possibly. I am intimately familiar with State and DS. I served as a Marine Security Guard Detachment Commander, my spouse is Foreign Service and I currently work for DS. Your family situation will be taken into concern when it comes time for assignements but bear in mind that you first two-three assignments will be directed assignment with input from you as far as what you bid on. I served in Africa with a wife and two small kids and enjoyed it immensely. THe small third world post while not as glamorous and maybe a little harder to get used to are defintely better that the large first world European Posts. You can get child care and domestic help relatively inexpensively and the American community is definitely more tightknit out of necessity. There is always something going on at the Marine House

In most cases if your wife wants to work there will more often than not be an EFM position in the embassy that she can compete for. As far as your quarters, that will depend on where you are assigned you may live on an American Compound, you may live in a local aparment/condo compound with other expats and american families or you may live on your own compound with just your family. I have lived in each situation. If you are on your own compound you will more than likely have a guard provided by the embassy depending on what country you are in. My first post I had 24/7/365 armed guard outside my residence. In Africa had a guard but he was unarmed.

You kids will probably go to the American International School in whatever country you are posted to. THere will be locals that attend but normally they are from wealthy families. The majority of the students will be children of other diplomatic families not just U.S. but all over as well children of Expat businessmen. Usually the schools are private schools and DOS picks up the tab. If there is not adequate schooling available then they provide funds for you to send your children abroad to boarding school but that is not normally the case.

From my experience State is a very family oriented and employee friendly organization to work for and is constistently ranked in the top 10 govt agencies to work for. Ok so maybe I wansn't too succint. If you want you can always PN me with any other questions you have. I will try to give you what I know based on my experience.

All,
I appologize to just throw this in the middle of the thread but I have some questions that I was hoping a current DS SA could help me with.

So, I took the online assesment it said I passed. Now a bit about me.

30, former Army CPT, IN, spent a couple tours in the sand box, current FED LEO with ICE (sucks), working on an MA in international relations.

MARRIED WITH 2 SMALL CHILDREN.

Here are my concerns. First, I have no illusions about what this job is, I am sure the the process will be hurry up and wait and I am in a position that will allow me to wait. I have spoken to DS recruiters in the past but they dont seem too much different than a military recruiter.

So.....what is the quality of life like for a DS SA?

When I get assigned overseas, what is the housing like? Will they take into consideration the fact that you have a family and send you somewhere like Taiwan vs. the Horn of Africa or Pakistan?

Is there any added level of security for your family overseas?

Would you consider your famliy to be targets over seas? And if so, will they send an agent with a family to a place where they are likely to be a target or subjected to terrible living conditions?

I know that any embassy overseas is going to be a target with a US Flag flying over it. My wife was also an officer in the military and understands that much. But my concern is what their life will be like when I am gone at the embassy everyday.

Will they go to school with the locals? Is there schooling for my children?

Will I have a choice to pick a country that is not as dangerous to take my family? Or will DS simply say tough............you signed up, your going unaccompanied to Baghdad for 2 years.

I dont mind taking details overseas, I wouldn't mind going to a hot zone, but if I wanted to have my mind made up for me entirely, I would have just stayed in the military.

When I make my wish lists, are they going to be broken down by region? If so, I would assume that there would have to be order of preference for the middle east.

Ya know when I got off active duty,I realized that the military is 10X more squared away than most federal agencies but I have heard great things about this agency if you are will into to play the game that DS wants it played. My only question is.....WILL THEY CARE ABOUT MY FAMILY?

By the way, Im not sure if it is the caliber of people that attempt to apply for this position, but the discussions are 10 fold better than most other blogs.

Dave

[rangeroo]

From another board I check, it looks like some people that have just taken the Online test have gotten a call as soon as last Wednesday if you can believe it. That's pretty fast, I know. So if you scored well you should probably hear something soon. If not, you might be waiting for a while. This process seems like a crap shoot sometimes. Good luck to everyone.

[dlo]

It will all depend on your expectations. The Foreign Service is not the military and the lifestyles contrast considerably. I personally think our quality of life is top notch. Some countries are better than others.
.

Livin'

I wonder if you'd mind this question.
I'm also former Army.
The DS lifestyle also requires frequent moving of the family.
I've read through this thread to try and get a sense of it.
To me, it almost seems even more-so than when I was active duty.
Seems to me, the DSS family will move atleast every 3 years, if not more often.
(3 yr tour for some overseas gigs, 2 year tour for domestic FO, 1 year tour for some unaccompanied)
Will this be the case through one's entire career - or do the rate of relocations change as one gains rank, seniority ?
Is there a way to add some stability to the fam?
For example, is it possible to do 2 years in a FO, take a 1-year unaccompanied, then do two more years in the same FO ?
Can you petition to stay in an FO for longer, if the need arises ?

thanks for all your continued advice.

[vlasu14]

From another board I check, it looks like some people that have just taken the Online test have gotten a call as soon as last Wednesday if you can believe it. That's pretty fast, I know. So if you scored well you should probably hear something soon. If not, you might be waiting for a while. This process seems like a crap shoot sometimes. Good luck to everyone.

Wow, that is really fast. I feel that I did well on the exam, I will just keep waiting for the call. Everything I have read on this forum has been so helpful. Thanks a lot for the information.

[Scout_08]

Thanks, that was a wonderful response. The general concenssus from my friends and family is "WTF?" Most people here in the states think that everything overseas is just like they see in the movies. My wife isn't too worried about me being gone on detail and or the unaccompanied tour say once in my career but being away ALL THE TIME, I would have been better served staying in the military and waiting for the O-4 list to come out.

The overseas life sounds fun and I would hope that the DS community is close knit.

How does the bidding system work? Will you be presented a list of available vaccancies or do you just start checking off countries you are interested in? I would assume the former.

[LivindaDream]

To put your question in perspective, Washington DC is the only domestic assignment and agent can realistically homestead. This means you can be reassigned to multiple assignments but never leave the DC geographical area. Other than DC, all other domestic tours are 2 year tours and a move every 2 years for your family. Extensions for a particular field office are rare. However, if you are sent on an unaccompanied tour you can leave your family wherever you desire, but there is no guarantee you will be reassigned to that FO. An exception would be NYFO, but I know of 3 New Yorkers who could not get back to NYFO. Extensions are normally granted for extraordinary circumstances - stability is not extraordinary.

I always recommend WFO to agents with families. It offers the best chance of stability for your family. Unfortunately, most agents have no desire to live in the DC metro area. I personally love DC, but hey that’s me.

Overseas – your first overseas tour is 2 years, the remainding tours are either 3-2 years as you stated.

Livin'

I wonder if you'd mind this question.
I'm also former Army.
The DS lifestyle also requires frequent moving of the family.
I've read through this thread to try and get a sense of it.
To me, it almost seems even more-so than when I was active duty.
Seems to me, the DSS family will move atleast every 3 years, if not more often.
(3 yr tour for some overseas gigs, 2 year tour for domestic FO, 1 year tour for some unaccompanied)
Will this be the case through one's entire career - or do the rate of relocations change as one gains rank, seniority ?
Is there a way to add some stability to the fam?
For example, is it possible to do 2 years in a FO, take a 1-year unaccompanied, then do two more years in the same FO ?
Can you petition to stay in an FO for longer, if the need arises ?

thanks for all your continued advice.

[Tirofijo]

So if you scored well you should probably hear something soon. If not, you might be waiting for a while. This process seems like a crap shoot sometimes.

The board is 911jobforums.com. Don't think anyone here cares if you post it.

I could be wrong, but it seems that where you want to take the BEX, and not test scores, have a lot to do with when you are called.

[cautus]

To those on the board who have answered questions in the past, thank you. This has been an important and extremely informative part of the hiring process for me. To those waiting for January, hope to see you there. If not we'll cross paths in April.

From my perspective, those who tested last January received a BEX notification within five weeks and most BEXed by early summer so the process can move quickly. To those waiting for the call, welcome to the world of govt. hiring. As you go along you will wear the keyboard out. Good luck, hope to see you soon.

Now I get to read the thread...again..so I can pick up all the details for January.

[Archangel4]

From another board I check, it looks like some people that have just taken the Online test have gotten a call as soon as last Wednesday if you can believe it. That's pretty fast, I know. So if you scored well you should probably hear something soon. If not, you might be waiting for a while. This process seems like a crap shoot sometimes. Good luck to everyone.

Yep, I agree. From my experience BEXing twice... First time waited 8 months for the call. Was it my score or my test site? The BEX is no small affair. They rented out a hallway of hotel suites and there were DS people everywhere making you nervous. Second time, I was given a call within a couple months and even changed my BEX site w/o any problem as they were scheduling at least two sites at the same time. You first have to get the call to make anything happen and that probably is a combo of score/site but who really knows :confused:

The best advice I ever got about waiting was from this forum. It is buried somewhere on the 111 pages herein. And, that my friends is MY advice to everyone applying. Most questions have been answered a few times. You can follow people from online test through FLETC and on to their first assignment. It kinda reads like a good book that you can't put down. I recommend not trying to go through it all on a dial up modem though :rolleyes:

Best of luck to all in the loop. Let the good times roll!

[BodySnatcher]

The board is 911jobforums.com. Don't think anyone here cares if you post it.

I could be wrong, but it seems that where you want to take the BEX, and not test scores, have a lot to do with when you are called.

I would agree with you from my observations of how they roll out invites (NYC might go first one go around or LA might go first the next). Then they go out to "smaller" locales.

LivindaDream makes a good point - relatively hard to homestead at a field office, but I swear some guys I know must have been geniuses at convincing the powers that be that staying around for a 3rd, 4th, heck 5th year was a good idea. And they got it for whatever reasons. Pretty cool in my humble opinion as some of those boys had a MASSIVE amount of institutional knowledge and connections. But overall, I'd be surprised if most people get an extra year extension out of their first tour. One could probably go HFO then SD, then MSD or CI, etc. and one year overseas only to come back to WFO as a sup or any other boutique branch for five years. Conversely, you could find a way to get out and stay out for a few posts (my goal).

Take care.

[NMDSS]

To those who just took the online examination, my experience is as follows:

First Go Round:
Online test in May 2005, BEX in August 2005

Second Go Round:
Online test in January 2008, BEX in May 2008

It takes a while before getting the BEX invite, usually within a couple of months, sometimes quicker depending on the BEX site.

You are beginning a long and arduous process, but hang in there, it is well worth it.

[DSS Hopeful]

Hey Gents,

Quick question with regard to online assessment. Is there anyone here who requested BEX in the DC metro area and of so what was the time fram between your online assessment and your notification of BEX

Thanks

[Scout_08]

disregard......

[ScrappyCoco]

what time will the office close?

[cautus]

Anyone find housing in VA that does not limit the size of a dog? I have a big, dumb, lovable dog and would hate to traumatize him for eight months. Or is there flexibility in Oakwood's 75 lb limit? Thanks.

[fritzab]

As of this afternoon, 100 people on the register. However, that still includes those who have January offers, which is good news for the next 48 of us.

[ScrappyCoco]

what time will the office close?

[cautus]

Traditionally that's the sequence. There is wiggle room for DSTC and CITP (FLETC) because FSI classes are not always scheduled just prior to CITP. There's Advanced FLETC in Charleston SC but CITP is not offered there.

[h6cayuse]

FLETC is always at Glynco, GA for us and assignments are given on the 3rd week of FSI.

[DSS-SA]

Anyone find housing in VA that does not limit the size of a dog? I have a big, dumb, lovable dog and would hate to traumatize him for eight months. Or is there flexibility in Oakwood's 75 lb limit? Thanks.

I didn't stay at Oakwood, but at other properties, my experience was that they don't whip out a scale when you arrive, and the only pet owners they ever confronted were because other residents complained about noise, aggressiveness, etc.

[rjpowe2]

Hello everyone. Putting my bonehead move out here for everyone to see.

When I did my pre-screen online, I am not sure if I put down my home phone, or my cell, or both. My wife and I are both actve duty, I am separating in January, and she is PCSing to Fort Meade, Maryland from San Antonio. My house phone is being disconnected on 5 November, and like a true genius, I cannot remember which contact number I gave. Is there a specific number that anyone knows of that I can call to update my information? Or if anyone remembers that portion from the pre screening, did we list multiple phone numbers to be contacted at?

[bjj0292]

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[Tirofijo]

rjpowe,

I'm sending you a PM with a number you can call.

But yes, the BEX invite usually comes by email. (I'd call anyway.)

[FS Femme]

Hi everyone -- Glad I found a group with such helpful information to guide me through this process. For what it's worth, here's my experience so far:

10/20 -- Online Assessment

10/27 (Sunday, 3pm) -- Invite to NYC BEX (Nov 17-21) via call to cell

From what I can gather this is a pretty short time frame compared to past SA hires. Like others have suggested, I think it's the location.

[Scout_08]

Hi everyone -- Glad I found a group with such helpful information to guide me through this process. For what it's worth, here's my experience so far:

10/20 -- Online Assessment

10/27 (Sunday, 3pm) -- Invite to NYC BEX (Nov 17-21) via call to cell

From what I can gather this is a pretty short time frame compared to past SA hires. Like others have suggested, I think it's the location.

Wow, I must have totally missed that in the threads. Did they tell you that the BEX would be a 5 day process? Or would you attend some time in that 5 day window?

[cautus]

The BEX is only a few hours.

Thanks DSS-SA. I don't know that I'll be able to get away with my dog's size. I should probably request permission so as to not scare the c%^p out of anyone. I have a Great Pyrenese and even though he's not too heavy he looks big.

[FS Femme]

Wow, I must have totally missed that in the threads. Did they tell you that the BEX would be a 5 day process? Or would you attend some time in that 5 day window?

I should have been more clear -- I had a choice of those dates between November 18th through the 21st. The test itself is only a few hours.

[Always_Hungry]

Hello everyone. First time poster here, but I've been following this thread for quite some time. Thank you to everyone who has posted helpful information here. I too am one of the Jan 08 testers, BEX'ed in April 08, and am now patiently waiting on the register. Congrats to all the people who are on the register, and especially to those who have received their final offers.

For those of you who just received BEX invites, good luck to you as well. I agree with some of the previous posts that the location chosen for the BEX site plays a huge part in how fast you get an invite.

[ScrappyCoco]

what time will the office close?

[NMDSS]

Process finally complete after 10 long months. I will be joining those in the January class. See you all there and good luck to everyone on the register and to those who just applied online.

[qbronco]

Process finally complete after 10 long months. I will be joining those in the January class. See you all there and good luck to everyone on the register and to those who just applied online.

Congrats!! Were you contacted recently or with everyone else on OCT 24th - 25th?

[ScrappyCoco]

what time will the office close?

[CavLT]

Fort those who have been through DS training, is there time to continue working on a master's degree while in training ordoes it truly consume all of your time?

I am planning on gettin started up with some online while deployed and then cranking out the rest after I get out (and hopefully I will get picked up by DS fairly quickly... not too sure where I fall on the register though since I am in a holding status).

[ScrappyCoco]

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[Scout_08]

Hey all, I recently saw a book that is intended to help you for the Foreign Service Officer Examination it has information on the written and the oral. I am thinking that this doesn't apply for the DS Bhiring process. The only written exam is the online assesment correct?

[cautus]

I am going to test the waters with family travel. From past experiences family presence during training varies on the employee. Some consider it a distraction, I'm hoping my family will ground me during stressful times. Besides the Oakwood has a pool and we don't.

[DSS-SA]

Hey all, I recently saw a book that is intended to help you for the Foreign Service Officer Examination it has information on the written and the oral. I am thinking that this doesn't apply for the DS Bhiring process. The only written exam is the online assesment correct?

The testing (and the job) is totally different, but you can draw a parallel betweent the FS exam's oral interview portion and our BEX process. I am sure there are some common themes in these test prep books that may help, but I would not rely too heavily on the subjects, topics, structures, etc. when trying to prepare for the BEX.

[DSS-SA]

I am going to test the waters with family travel. From past experiences family presence during training varies on the employee. Some consider it a distraction, I'm hoping my family will ground me during stressful times. Besides the Oakwood has a pool and we don't.

Your family, online studying, your drinking habit ;) , etc. could all be "distractions" if you let them, but BSAC is not that stressful to begin with... The biggest impact you will face with having your family with you is that you might do less bonding with your classmates after-hours and on weekends.

[vlasu14]

Hey guys, any idea if they are still calling people for the NY test? I have not heard back yet and I know some other people have. I thought I selected Newark, NJ, but I may be mistaken and they only had New York. Any one have any information? Thanks

[vlasu14]

Hey guys, any idea if they are still calling people for the NY test? I have not heard back yet and I know some other people have. I thought I selected Newark, NJ, but I may be mistaken and they only had New York. Any one have any information? Thanks

[CavLT]

Don't worry too much on the region... it SEEMS like they go east to west hitting up each BEX site for interviews but somehow it seems like they cycle back through later...

Anyways, there is another written test at the BEX but as far as the Foeign Service Exam goes, they are two different things. I looked through the same book and the BEX is really more of a personal assessment as opposed to a knowledge assessment...

[QuietAmerican]

Anybody out there have any intel as to if the January class is full or are calls still going out?

[colinm112]

Hi all, I am new to this area of the forums and thought I would start sharing. Thought I would get started here with a little info and a question or two.

I took the online test on October 18th and was called November 3rd. I missed that call and they did not leave a message. I saw that the area code was Northern Virginia so I was a little curious, but being that they called at 8pm I figured it was nothing.

She called again last night closer to 9pm while I was out at a polling party and went through the motions with me and sent me an email kit. Odd time of day to call about a gov't job I thought

Anyways, I was wondering at the average timeline and steps from the BEX to hire? Is it anything like CBPO (where you test, then need to do medical, fitness, drug, background check)?

I am in the process of reading prior posts so I apologize if these have been answered already. If they have, I will find the answer tonight. Feel free to respond. Thanks :)

[Tirofijo]

Anyways, I was wondering at the average timeline and steps from the BEX to hire? Is it anything like CBPO (where you test, then need to do medical, fitness, drug, background check)?


Timeline to being hired varies from 2.5 months after BEX to a couple of years (in extreme cases.) Reading through the post will give you lot of different people's timelines.

There are medical, drug and background checks. There is no fitness exam.

Start reading. :D

[colinm112]

If my wife is currently in the process of becoming a permanent resident, would this possibly disqualify me from obtaining the required security clearance? I know that this is most likely dealt with on a case by base basis, but does anyone have any experience with this type of situation?

[FutureAgent001]

If my wife is currently in the process of becoming a permanent resident, would this possibly disqualify me from obtaining the required security clearance? I know that this is most likely dealt with on a case by base basis, but does anyone have any experience with this type of situation?

By permanent resident, do you mean getting her green card or U.S. citizenship? It is my understanding that all immediate relatives and cohabitants must have U.S. citizenship. If she doesn't even have her green card yet, I could see that as most likely being problematic, but if she's in the process of getting U.S. citizenship, I'm guessing it should work out. That's just what I have heard.....

[qbronco]

By permanent resident, do you mean getting her green card or U.S. citizenship? It is my understanding that all immediate relatives and cohabitants must have U.S. citizenship. If she doesn't even have her green card yet, I could see that as most likely being problematic, but if she's in the process of getting U.S. citizenship, I'm guessing it should work out. That's just what I have heard.....

This is not necessarily true. Your foreign spouse is vetted of a security clearance in the same way that other spouse are, although it usually takes more time to do the overseas leg work. If the agents running the background investigation for the security clearance can’t get information or they turn up negative information this can hurt your chances. But, just having a foreign wife doesn’t disqualify you. I have a foreign wife and we have completed our sec clearance and are waiting for the outcome of adjudication. I will let you know in a few weeks if it worked for me.

I have also been told that it won’t necessarily hurt my chances of getting a Top Secret but I may not get a SCI. This can hurt your chances but it doesn’t necessarily disqualify you from the job.

[CavLT]

Like he said, just lends more scrutiny to it all...

My mother and mother in law are both naturalized citizens and that led to a bunch more questions too...
As long as everything is 5x5 you should be good, just realize it will be a longer process.

[qbronco]

Just to be clear -- My wife is not a US citzen nor does she ahve a green card/ residency.

[colinm112]

Thanks a bunch for the responses, they help a lot.

My wife has been in the states since 11 years old (26 now) and has been here legally the entire time. She has completed her degree here and has been legally employed for years. We have been married for 2 years and are basically waiting for her perm. residency card. She will be a resident 2 years after that, I believe. Makes me feel better to hear of people in the same boat!

I guess a good question would be, since I have been in the process of being hired by the Dep. of Homeland Security for a CBPO position, would the background check they perform be eligible for carry-over to this position? I have completed all the steps there and have met with a background investigator 2 months ago. From reading a few previous threads it seems they do almost the same thing (meet with my friends,coworkers, etc.)

[Scout_08]

So is your wife here on a visa? I don't see how she could be here for 15 years and not be an LPR (legal permanent resident), is she here no on an CR-1(spouse os USC, conditional resident)???? She must have some type of status. "Legal" isn't a status. Are you in the process of filing to have her go from conditional to permanent resident?

As for your DHS background check, DS will do it all over again. The half *** security clearance that will be done here is no where near a TS-SCI. I actually applied for CBPO and had my BI completed and adjudicated in about the same time frame, then when I was hired by ICE, I had to redo the entire thing. The same contractor actually came to my house, then realized he would have to send someone else out.





Thanks a bunch for the responses, they help a lot.

My wife has been in the states since 11 years old (26 now) and has been here legally the entire time. She has completed her degree here and has been legally employed for years. We have been married for 2 years and are basically waiting for her perm. residency card. She will be a resident 2 years after that, I believe. Makes me feel better to hear of people in the same boat!

I guess a good question would be, since I have been in the process of being hired by the Dep. of Homeland Security for a CBPO position, would the background check they perform be eligible for carry-over to this position? I have completed all the steps there and have met with a background investigator 2 months ago. From reading a few previous threads it seems they do almost the same thing (meet with my friends,coworkers, etc.)

[colinm112]

So is your wife here on a visa? I don't see how she could be here for 15 years and not be an LPR (legal permanent resident), is she here no on an CR-1(spouse os USC, conditional resident)???? She must have some type of status. "Legal" isn't a status. Are you in the process of filing to have her go from conditional to permanent resident?

As for your DHS background check, DS will do it all over again. The half *** security clearance that will be done here is no where near a TS-SCI. I actually applied for CBPO and had my BI completed and adjudicated in about the same time frame, then when I was hired by ICE, I had to redo the entire thing. The same contractor actually came to my house, then realized he would have to send someone else out.


Sorry for not being clearer. She was under an aslyum petition through her parents and it took the gov't that long to process it, so while she was being processed she was given a work permit which allowed her to attend school and work here. We married before they were done processing. We filed all the paperwork almost 2 years ago and have gone through all the steps, so all we can do is wait for her perm. resident card in the mail. We have been to the interview and everything is fine but you know government and paperwork.. so we wait :) but her status has always been legitimate here.


That's unfortunate that the background investigation dont carry over, it seems to be the longest part of the process!

[10thMTN_Redleg]

With regard to details such as MSD and SD, can anyone give a basic overview of the bidding process. Do you have to have been an agent for a certain amount of time, are there interviews involved, etc.?

I know it is jumping the gun, but I was curious. Feel free to PM me if need be.

[CavLT]

Most background checks don't seem to reciprocate. DoD started working mine 2 months after DoS had already cleared mine... who knows?

Every agency thinks they are better

[DSS-SA]

With regard to details such as MSD and SD, can anyone give a basic overview of the bidding process. Do you have to have been an agent for a certain amount of time, are there interviews involved, etc.?

I know it is jumping the gun, but I was curious. Feel free to PM me if need be.

Traditionally MSD and SD are second or later tours, but in the past (and likely in the future) when they are having trouble filling all slots they will get agents to come over from FO assignments early, or possibly directly out of BSAC. This is more common with SD than MSD. There is no official additional selection process outside of the regular bidding process, but most successful bidders are vetted internally by word of mouth and corridor reputation...

The reason that these assignments are not routiely offered to new agents is the same same reason why DSS wants as many new agents to serve a 2-3 year tour in an FO first: unless you are coming over from another DS or DoS job you have no idea how DSS, State and/or embassies function. Transitioning to one of these jobs is hard enough, but compounding the "normal" transition with the fact that the new agent is brand new makes the learning curve a little more challenging for the new agent and their mentor/experienced colleagues.

[Scout_08]

Does anyone know what the likelyhood of getting the San Francisco field office would be. Most other agencies have a hard time filling this location. I just purchased a new home here and about to move in. It would be almost impossible to get out of the house at this point and seeing as I purchsed it with a veterans loan, you are already uposide down in the loan about 10 K once you move in.

I have read that you do not get your actual duty assignment until week 3 of FSI, will SF only be an option if it is available? If it is available, would this be a compelling enough reason? We also have two small children and we have a phenominal baby sitter that has tought my 2 year old how to count to 50, 20 in Spanish write his name etc. We would love to keep him here as long as possible.

[FutureAgent001]

Has anyone heard news regarding the January class? Is it full? Have the second wave of offers gone out? When do March offers go out? Any news on the # of people on the register? Still hoping for January!!!!

[Always_Hungry]

FutureAgent, I was just thinking the same thing. I am hoping that March offers are given out at least by mid to late January. I know how its hard for us guys on the register since we're expecting it; that only makes the waiting even longer.

Scout08, I can't give you a definite answer about being sent back to SFO, but the SF Bay Area is usually a hard to staff area for most agencies, due to the high cost of living and other factors. It certainly wouldn't hurt to put it on your list. Good luck to you on your application process.

[FutureAgent001]

FutureAgent, I was just thinking the same thing. I am hoping that March offers are given out at least by mid to late January. I know how its hard for us guys on the register since we're expecting it; that only makes the waiting even longer.

Scout08, I can't give you a definite answer about being sent back to SFO, but the SF Bay Area is usually a hard to staff area for most agencies, due to the high cost of living and other factors. It certainly wouldn't hurt to put it on your list. Good luck to you on your application process.

It's a tough one, I mean I know being on the register is a good sign, but with the new applicants from the most recent announcement BEXing so quick, I have a funny feeling that I'm going to sit on the register and keep getting pushed to the bottom by the new batch of applicants because my # isn't the greatest. Also, even though DS is my #1 choice and certainly the best fit for me, if something else comes along, I'm not sure how comfortable I feel turning something down to wait for DS. Sorry, just venting here. I'm just hoping for a similar situation to August where there is no register!!

[fritzab]

Completely with you guys on this. Same thing has been happening to me with the register- just keep getting bumped down. Kinda of a bummer when you get those numbers even though it takes a lot to even get to the register. I'm trying to stay positive with the knowledge that nobody has heard of anyone getting kicked off b/c of the 18 month limit. But its comforting to know other people are feeling similarly.If only they'd stop adding people before they give out offers for the next class!!! Same as FutureAgent, just venting my frustration at not being able to start the best career I can imagine!

It's a tough one, I mean I know being on the register is a good sign, but with the new applicants from the most recent announcement BEXing so quick, I have a funny feeling that I'm going to sit on the register and keep getting pushed to the bottom by the new batch of applicants because my # isn't the greatest...

[Security-FS]

I've heard that all the ppl who've been offered Jan slots are still listed on the register. Does anyone know when they'll be taken off the register? That might make some of those on the register at little more "confident" in their potential slots in upcoming classes. Anyone hear anything about when upcoming classes will be offered and when invitation will go out?

[Archangel4]

I've heard that all the ppl who've been offered Jan slots are still listed on the register. Does anyone know when they'll be taken off the register? That might make some of those on the register at little more "confident" in their potential slots in upcoming classes. Anyone hear anything about when upcoming classes will be offered and when invitation will go out?

Hold tight everyone on the register... They will run out of people on the register just like last year. I think the days of 250 people on it that fall off after 18 months are over. Its too costly and takes too much time and effort to recruit that many in excess IMO. If you made it past all the hurdles its just a matter of "when" not "if".

[Archangel4]

Most background checks don't seem to reciprocate. DoD started working mine 2 months after DoS had already cleared mine... who knows?

Every agency thinks they are better

LT, I couldn't agree with you more. I don't think DoS and DoD bureaucrats are on the same page. I'm sorry your friends, family, co-workers, dog and everyone else had to be re-interviewed.

[ScrappyCoco]

erased because this was a double post.

[ScrappyCoco]

I've heard that all the ppl who've been offered Jan slots are still listed on the register. Does anyone know when they'll be taken off the register? That might make some of those on the register at little more "confident" in their potential slots in upcoming classes. Anyone hear anything about when upcoming classes will be offered and when invitation will go out?


Their goal is to hire SAs not to bump you off the register.

[vlasu14]

I took the test in Oct and I know some people that are BEXing in NY have received calls. Anyone else receive a call regarding the Oct exam not testing in NY? Thanks.

[DSS Hopeful]

Just curious if anyone in the Metro DC area haws been contacted/called for BEX invite yet. I have seen other areas start to receive calls.

[rjpowe2]

Just called the recruiting line today and switched up all my info. Thanks to all for your help in getting me that information.

I got my BEX offer today. Just a quick question for all of you who have gone through this, or are going through it now. I was told to study up on current events, State Dept, and the Bureau of Diplomatic Security, and also civics? Anyone else get told this? Seems like a pretty vague subject.

What has everyone else been told to study up on? Maybe I misheard... :confused:

[DSS Hopeful]

I got the same call today and was told the same stuff. Congrats on the BEX offer and best of luck to you.

[Tirofijo]

Seems like a pretty vague subject.

What has everyone else been told to study up on? Maybe I misheard... :confused:

That sounds right. The BEX could cover a wide range of subjects, so any study advice will have to be pretty vague.

Good luck.

[rjpowe2]

That sounds right. The BEX could cover a wide range of subjects, so any study advice will have to be pretty vague.

Good luck.

Roger that.

[DSS-SA]

There have been dozens of posts regarding preparing for the BEX. I know it may be tedious, but please go back and search this thread to get a feel for what has been shared and what is allowed to be divulged. There is a non-disclosure agreement and ethical issues involved when discussing the contents and detailed structure of the BEX so you won't probably get too much more detailed guidance than you were given when you were invited to the BEX.

[ScrappyCoco]

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[Scout_08]

Im in the same boat, what do they mean by study "civics"??


Just called the recruiting line today and switched up all my info. Thanks to all for your help in getting me that information.

I got my BEX offer today. Just a quick question for all of you who have gone through this, or are going through it now. I was told to study up on current events, State Dept, and the Bureau of Diplomatic Security, and also civics? Anyone else get told this? Seems like a pretty vague subject.

What has everyone else been told to study up on? Maybe I misheard... :confused:

[DSS-SA]

Seriously, if anyone doesn't have an idea what "civics" refers to, wouldn't it be better to google the term than to ask here? This is one of the most positive (sought after) traits that a strong applicant will have; the ability and intelligence to seek out information on their own with independent thought and action.
I am not just busting Scout's chops for his question, I am throwing this out there to all of you who read this board and either ask questions that have been repeatedly asked or those who post questions that have been succesfully answered.

EDIT: After reading this, I realized it was a bit harsh. I think this forum is a great resource and I know that at its ever-growing size it is getting harder and harder to really be aware of topics that have previously been explored ad nauseum. Please continue to post your questions as they arise, but try and help us all by not repeating standard topics over and over again.

[rjpowe2]

roger that. I wasn't trying to ask what is on the test, or what to study for...more so just to make sure if I heard her right when she said civics. My apologies for not clarifying.

[bahrain]

Did anyone on here sign up for the Greensboro, NC BEX site? If so, have you received an invitation to the BEX yet?

[Always_Hungry]

Does anybody here have a resource or a good course of fire they can recommend to me, so that I can try it out the next time I go to the range? I consider myself a decent shot, but I know DSS has some pretty high shooting standards.

If any of you have anything to recommend, please let me know. Thanks.

[CavLT]

It won't matter when somebody is shooting back, you will just put rounds in their general direction while seeking cover ;)

But I have not heard anything about having to maintain a standard as far as shooting is concerned (except pass FLETC) and am not too sure what you are asking.

I generally just shoot at the target and try to hit it center mass... (yes yes, I am being sarcastic, but I really don't understand)

[cautus]

Always Hungry

If you're a good shot I don't think you'll have any issues on the range. DSS will assuredly offer a pretty thorough course on basic firearms. But if you're interested try a simple fifty round course with rounds from the 3, 5, 7, 10, 12, 15 and 25 yard line. I'd be happy to supply you with a law enforcement range qualification course or I can forward you a SWAT movement qualification course. The latter is probably not necessary but will definitely beef up your confidence. If you can dodge a wrench..no wait...if you can shoot while moving then all else is pretty simple. LIABILITY CLAUSE: Check with your range master prior to the moving course. Some people freak out over nuts with guns moving past the range threshold, go figure. I can PM you if so desired.

[Always_Hungry]

Always Hungry

If you're a good shot I don't think you'll have any issues on the range. DSS will assuredly offer a pretty thorough course on basic firearms. But if you're interested try a simple fifty round course with rounds from the 3, 5, 7, 10, 12, 15 and 25 yard line. I'd be happy to supply you with a law enforcement range qualification course or I can forward you a SWAT movement qualification course. The latter is probably not necessary but will definitely beef up your confidence. If you can dodge a wrench..no wait...if you can shoot while moving then all else is pretty simple. LIABILITY CLAUSE: Check with your range master prior to the moving course. Some people freak out over nuts with guns moving past the range threshold, go figure. I can PM you if so desired.

Yeah, I'd love it if you could forward me with what you have. I wouldn't say I'm a great shot, but I don't totally suck either:D. PM me when you have the chance. Thanks.

[DSS-SA]

...But I have not heard anything about having to maintain a standard as far as shooting is concerned (except pass FLETC)...


You must pass the FLETC courses to pass FLETC, then you have pass the BSAC portion to graduate from BSAC. As an agent you are then required to requalify on the pistol, shotgun and SMG every four months. If you are posted overseas or on TDY in a location where qualifying is not possible, the requal requirement is waived until you can qualify again, but you are encouraged to at the minimum to find a place to do familiarization firing (Fam Fire) as often as possible until you can qualify again.

[DSS-SA]

Yeah, I'd love it if you could forward me with what you have. I wouldn't say I'm a great shot, but I don't totally suck either:D. PM me when you have the chance. Thanks.

I encourage everyone to always seek to become better at using your duty equipment, but to quell the fears of qualifying for everyone that reads this forum, it is important to note that the FLETC and BSAC courses are designed from the perspective that you have never fired a gun before. So, experienced shooters will get "refresher" instruction and likely learn some new techniques and new shooters will learn via the crawl, walk, run method.

Also, while on the topic, I want to remind those of you with experience that the FLETC program is a little rigid in how they want you to qualify using their techniques, stance, etc. Do yourself a favor and don't argue with them or tell them that you are a certified firemas instructor, expert marksman, former doorgunner on the space shuttle, yada, yada, yada. Do it their way to pass the course, then do it your way after that.

I know I have mentioned this before regarding other portions of the training and this is a good opportunity to reinforce it again - Do not, at any time during training put an instructor in a position where they feel you are challenging them or the DSS or FLETC "way". For example, a student who happens to be a black belt, openly disagrees with or challenges a Defensive Tactics instructor - it never comes out the right way and is often misinterpreted. Please just play the game and keep your mouth shut. If you are attacked on the street the next day you are more than welcome to use your own technique and then brag about it afterward.

[cautus]

I'm familiar with someone who just took a short vacation to FLETC. Didn't agree with detainment procedures and that's all she wrote. Me personally, I'm a huge fan of speed cuffing and use it all the time........DSS-SA is dead on and those of us who've been through other academies know it's their way or the highway. Still hate the Weaver Stance though.

[ScrappyCoco]

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[JI603]

How are the 10/27 guys/gals doing these days? Since it's been about 3 weeks, assignments should have been handed out, no?

[vlasu14]

I have not heard anything yet, but my test score may just not have been high enough for the first round. I am still going to be positive though and hope I get a call.

[ScrappyCoco]

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[ScrappyCoco]

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[NMDSS]

Congratulations ScrappyCoco! See you in January!

[Always_Hungry]

Scrappy, congratulations man! It's well deserved.

[qbronco]

Got the FOE today folks. See you in DC.

The Registrar's Office is pleased to extend an appointment offer for the January 21, 2009– Diplomatic Security Special Agent Class.

Scrappy,

You got the FOE via e-mail right?

[FutureAgent001]

Just got notification via email that I'm in the January class as well!!!!

[qbronco]

Just got notification via email that I'm in the January class as well!!!!

Congrats to both of you. Good luck!

[vlasu14]

Good luck guys, that's great news. I hope to be joining you in the future.

[ScrappyCoco]

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[rangeroo]

Congratulations Scrappy and FutureAgent. I'm also happy to say that not 5 minutes ago, I opened my email and found an invitation for the Jan class for me as well. I am still buzzing with excitement because I thought I would have to wait a lot longer.

Hey Scrappy, I know you were talking about Oakwood being full, has anyone PM'd you about alternatives?

To those in the pipeline hang tight, they will get to you I'm sure, I was in the 60's of the register as of yesturday just to give you some insight.

[ScrappyCoco]

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[fritzab]

To those in the pipeline hang tight, they will get to you I'm sure, I was in the 60's of the register as of yesturday just to give you some insight.
Wow- that definitely helps to know!! I still doubt I'll make January but it gives me high hopes for March. Thanks for letting us know where you were on there!! Congrats to the Jan class as well. It must feel great!

[rangeroo]

Thanks Fritz, I was suprised too because I was expecting march. Sounds like they are burning through the register. Good luck to you!:D

[FutureAgent001]

Congrats Rangeroo, happy to see that lots of others on here are getting offers as well. See you in Jan!

Just to let everyone else know, I was in the 60's on the register as well (as of early Oct), so don't lose hope! Good luck everyone

[England]

Went to the DoS site and saw that the DSS announcement is closed. Anyone know how long it stayed open and when it might open up again?

Thank you

[jsbeith]

That is outstanding news guys. BIG Congrats to all of you. :)

[qbronco]

Went to the DoS site and saw that the DSS announcement is closed. Anyone know how long it stayed open and when it might open up again?

Thank you

The application period is usually open for approximately one week each year. It was open for a week in November.

[AxelFoley]

hey guys,

the register currently has 107 people on it. does anyone know if that number includes the people extended offers for january class?

-axel

[qbronco]

hey guys,

the register currently has 107 people on it. does anyone know if that number includes the people extended offers for january class?

-axel

According to the previous posts and the info from HR, it does. From what they say in the previous two posts that means that ther should be less than 50 people waiting for the March class.

[Tirofijo]

that means that ther should be less than 50 people waiting for the March class.

They went at least into the 60s (maybe higher) to fill the JAN class.

But if you really want to try to track the numbers, keep in mind some of those that didn't accept the offer may have just deferred and will still be on the register and taking a spot in in the next class (or may have deferred to for months.) So don't be suprised if when a "new" register number comes out after removing the JAN offers and it's higher than 50.

There's still a few of us waiting to clear BI/suitability, but I wouldn't think the register would grow by very much between now and whenever the offers go out for whatever class follows JAN. Of course, I could underestimating how many are left to clear the background, because it only seems like I'm the last one left.

Anyone heard anything recently (not what was posted weeks ago) about classes after JAN? And will it still be a 48-man class? That's the news I'm waiting to hear.

[AxelFoley]

Hey Tiro,

Good to hear from you on the board. Here's some info in response to your comment: Today, as mentioned above, the register has 107. This suggests that the register is still adding people, but at a slowing rate (a number of weeks ago, I was told it had 96 people on the register.)

I also understand (I heard this from a couple of sources) that they are definitely planning to make each class attendance number 48, rather than 24, at least in theory. My question is, if they are burning through the register so fast, will they be able to have 48 in time for the March class? That would imply that the people bexing this month and next would have to be fast-laned at warp speed through the process.

I do hope that what Qbronco is saying is true and that January people are still populating the register.

Here's another question for you guys: will they wait until after January's class to make offers for March?

-Axel

[FutureAgent001]

Hey Tiro,

Good to hear from you on the board. Here's some info in response to your comment: Today, as mentioned above, the register has 107. This suggests that the register is still adding people, but at a slowing rate (a number of weeks ago, I was told it had 96 people on the register.)

I also understand (I heard this from a couple of sources) that they are definitely planning to make each class attendance number 48, rather than 24, at least in theory. My question is, if they are burning through the register so fast, will they be able to have 48 in time for the March class? That would imply that the people bexing this month and next would have to be fast-laned at warp speed through the process.

I do hope that what Qbronco is saying is true and that January people are still populating the register.

Here's another question for you guys: will they wait until after January's class to make offers for March?

-Axel

I heard from two separate people within DS that the march offers would go out in January, but I don't know the specific dates. Also, the registrar's office told me directly that both the January and March classes are confirmed to have a larger number, if that eases people's worries. Good luck everyone

[qbronco]

They went at least into the 60s (maybe higher) to fill the JAN class.

But if you really want to try to track the numbers, keep in mind some of those that didn't accept the offer may have just deferred and will still be on the register and taking a spot in in the next class (or may have deferred to for months.) So don't be suprised if when a "new" register number comes out after removing the JAN offers and it's higher than 50.

There's still a few of us waiting to clear BI/suitability, but I wouldn't think the register would grow by very much between now and whenever the offers go out for whatever class follows JAN. Of course, I could underestimating how many are left to clear the background, because it only seems like I'm the last one left.

Anyone heard anything recently (not what was posted weeks ago) about classes after JAN? And will it still be a 48-man class? That's the news I'm waiting to hear.

Yes, I agree with you. I am also waiting to hear about being placed on the list, I have been in adjudication for three weeks.

I would like to throw out a few ideas though. One, there are many other agencies hiring and some of these people may have taken jobs elsewhere. Two, there were several people on the list that had to defer from OCT to JAN. If these people had to defer again, I am told that they would have been taken off the list. Due to the rule that are only allowed to defer one offer. I am not sure how these might have redefined the list but I am interested to see how many stand after the Jan class is taken off.

[cautus]

Congrats to those in the January class and keep plugging away if you're waiting on the March class. Keep in the mind the number you're assigned on the registry is not entirely dependent on when you finish your suitability. There are other factors and some people may get bumped. Bummer for the bumped but good for the bumpee.

[Tirofijo]

If these people had to defer again, I am told that they would have been taken off the list. Due to the rule that are only allowed to defer one offer. I am not sure how these might have redefined the list but I am interested to see how many stand after the Jan class is taken off.

Never heard that rule. I could see a scenario that a soldier has deffered for 12 months because he's waiting to come back from a deployment or is on stop loss, for example. But, for all we know, he may keeps his number 1 rank on the register for the next few classes, which throws off all of our 'register watching.'

The point of my post was more to point out that there are too many variables that we can't track for us to get too worked up over the numbers. Trying to figure out whether 5 people or 10 people deferred is futile.

Cautus: I didn't know time had anything to do with your number on the registry. I assumed it was strictly merit based.

[qbronco]

Never heard that rule. I could see a scenario that a soldier has deffered for 12 months because he's waiting to come back from a deployment or is on stop loss, for example. But, for all we know, he may keeps his number 1 rank on the register for the next few classes, which throws off all of our 'register watching.'

The point of my post was more to point out that there are too many variables that we can't track for us to get too worked up over the numbers. Trying to figure out whether 5 people or 10 people deferred is futile.

Cautus: I didn't know time had anything to do with your number on the registry. I assumed it was strictly merit based.

Tirofijo,

I apologize, I went back and reread the Conditional offer material and, as it turns out, you are correct. I must have misunderstood the first time or I just didn't remember the rule clearly. Apparently, there is no limit on deferments but DOS does not guarantee a second offer.

Thanks, for setting the record straight.

[cautus]

Time is only an issue if you're on the registry for more than 18 months....I believe. Not sure how that applies to active duty but I believe they get an extension (24 months?). I was trying to set the example that some people will clear suitability and go right to the front of the registry so everyone elses registry number will change. I wouldn't sweat it if you're on the registry. Seems you're good for both March and June/July.

[QuietAmerican]

After day in and day out of the constant wondering if and when, I am excited to say I will be in the January FSI class. I have a few questions that I have not been able to find in this thread, I apologize in advance if they have been answered before.

I am a current federal employee under 6c coverage, does State fall under the FERS system as well?

Am I correct in assuming that State employees can participate in the TSP program?

Lastly, are we paid through the USDA National Finance Center? It would be cool if I could keep my current allotments.

Thanks in advance.

[ScrappyCoco]

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[bork]

So I had a missed call from a 571 area code this morning, I'm pretty sure it's them as I have no other connections in Arlington, VA. No voicemail or email left, does anybody have a experience with this? If anybody can shed some light, any info would be much appreciated! Thanks.

I'm an October 2008 online tester.

[Archangel4]

Bork,

That might very well be your invite call for the BEX. I recommend calling back immediately and leaving a detailed mesg. and confirm that you are interested and start playing phone tag. They will call you back if you leave a mesg... I promise!!! Good luck!

So I had a missed call from a 571 area code this morning, I'm pretty sure it's them as I have no other connections in Arlington, VA. No voicemail or email left, does anybody have a experience with this? If anybody can shed some light, any info would be much appreciated! Thanks.

I'm an October 2008 online tester.

[bork]

Archangel4,

Thanks, went ahead and left them a message at the missed number. Hopefully I'll hear back sometime today.

[FutureAgent001]

So I had a missed call from a 571 area code this morning, I'm pretty sure it's them as I have no other connections in Arlington, VA. No voicemail or email left, does anybody have a experience with this? If anybody can shed some light, any info would be much appreciated! Thanks.

I'm an October 2008 online tester.

My BEX invite came by email but since you are an Oct. tester, there's a good chance that the call was your BEX invite. The only time I got called from a 571 # during the process was when add'l paperwork was needed for my BI right before adjudication.

[LivindaDream]

After day in and day out of the constant wondering if and when, I am excited to say I will be in the January FSI class. I have a few questions that I have not been able to find in this thread, I apologize in advance if they have been answered before.

I am a current federal employee under 6c coverage, does State fall under the FERS system as well?

Am I correct in assuming that State employees can participate in the TSP program?

Lastly, are we paid through the USDA National Finance Center? It would be cool if I could keep my current allotments.

Thanks in advance.

Congrats on your class date.

Foreign Service employees fall under the Foreign Service Pension System (FSPS). Similar to FERS but tailored to the Foreign Service.

We do participate in TSP.

We get paid out of Charleston - good luck on maintaining your allotments.

Once again congrats - change of administrations is always an exciting time to come onboard.

[Security-FS]

Anyone know if the vehicles at FLETC are manual or auto? I just want to make sure when the offer comes that I'm not going to fail any of the tests. <Insert not-knowing-how-to-drive-a-manual-transmission joke here>

Also, anyone have what would amount to a "packing list" of stuff to bring to FLETC or DSTC. I've heard that people need black polishable boots. Anything else that should be brought from home?

Thanks for the insight and congrats to all those who have offers!

[bork]

Anyone know if the vehicles at FLETC are manual or auto? I just want to make sure when the offer comes that I'm not going to fail any of the tests. <Insert not-knowing-how-to-drive-a-manual-transmission joke here>

Hmm, maybe my years working as a valet will pay off in this career after all?

[DSS Hopeful]

As far as I know the government doesn't use any manual transmission vehicles. Certainly not at a place like FLETC. Would be kind of hard to do that sort of driving in a manual transmission vehicle but then again if Bond can do it...

Anyone know if the vehicles at FLETC are manual or auto? I just want to make sure when the offer comes that I'm not going to fail any of the tests. <Insert not-knowing-how-to-drive-a-manual-transmission joke here>

Also, anyone have what would amount to a "packing list" of stuff to bring to FLETC or DSTC. I've heard that people need black polishable boots. Anything else that should be brought from home?

Thanks for the insight and congrats to all those who have offers!

[FutureAgent001]

Been searching for this but haven't been able to find anything. What are the starting steps for SA's within FP class 6? Can it be anywhere from step 1 to 14? Also, what class/step is the non-competitive promotion potential? Thanks

[JI603]

FP6 Step 3. Not sure how far up the ladder one can go before it's competitive, sorry.

Still waiting on FedEx too.

[FutureAgent001]

Just answered my own question from http://careers.state.gov/specialist/opportunities/secagent.html

INITIAL SALARY AND SALARY INCREASES

Initial salary at appointment will normally be at Foreign Service grade FP-6, step four. Exceptions may be made to increase the number of steps based upon such factors as a master's degree in a related field (e.g. criminal justice), or a law degree, and/or other directly related specialized experience. However, maximum salary is limited to the grade that the candidate is qualified for at the time of appointment. No appointments are made above the FP-6, step-14 level ($53,986 base pay).

Salaries are determined at the time a final offer of employment is made. Entry-level salary for federal civilian employees, appointed without a break in service, will be set at the step within the Foreign Service grade to which they are appointed nearest to the base salary rate of their previous salary. No appointments are made above the FP-6, step-14 level ($53,986 base pay).

This Announcement revises starting pay upward by one step so that all new Special Agents enter on duty at the FP-6 step 4 level. On a limited basis, additional steps may be awarded for certain education and/or experience factors. All service/employment calculations are based upon a one year minimum. One step may be added for each 12 months of total creditable (and documented) experience, rounded down. Part-time experience or employment will be pro-rated but will not be credited if it totals less than 12 months. Current USG employees enter at the step that is nearest to their current base pay up to a maximum of FP-6 step 14.

The new minimum entry salary for all Special Agents will be FP-6, step 4 with the possible addition of one step (above FP-6/4) for an advanced degree in a related discipline (Master's or PhD) or a JD. On a limited basis, additional steps may be awarded for each year of documented, directly-related experience. But in any case the maximum starting salary is FP-6, step 14.

Directly-related experience may be credited only as follows:

* Military Service – one step for each documented year of specialized military service as a Special Agent in CID, OSI, NCIS and/or Coast Guard Intelligence. One step for each year of specialized experience in military organizations equivalent to those named above in which the primary duties are directly related to the functions of a DS Special Agent. No credit will be given for service as a MSG watchstander, a police patrolman or MP without extensive investigative or protective detail responsibilities. It will be incumbent on the applicant to provide supporting documentation.

* Law Enforcement – one step for each documented year of specialized, directly related experience as a detective, criminal investigator; personal protective specialist (e.g., Governor's/Mayor's Detail) or a Special Agent in a state or federal law enforcement organization.

* Other Categories – Additional salary steps are not awarded for work which cannot be documented as directly related or for experience not clearly and directly related to the functions of the Special Agent position.

Upon the successful completion of training, salaries will be adjusted (25%) for Law Enforcement Availability Pay (LEAP) and, if applicable, locality pay. Upon relocating overseas, salaries may be adjusted to include cost-of-living allowance, post differential, danger pay, and/or other allowances specific to posts of assignment. The actual differences in pay will be determined by the location of assignments.

Special Agents will be administratively promoted from FP-6 to the FP-5 level after 12 months of satisfactory performance, and to FP-4 after an additional 18 months of satisfactory performance. To proceed beyond the FP-4 level, Special Agents must receive tenure and are considered for promotion annually in competition with their peers.

[sgt14]

Hello All,

I was an October tester as well and received an e-mail for a Jan 13th BEX testing date as well. Anyone else testing on Chicago then? Also, any idea when the next class would be (pending the BEX is passed this date)? Would the March class be a possibility if all goes well in Jan? New to this forum and particularly this thread for DSS. Any continued information/help is always appreciated. Thanks in advance!

[FutureAgent001]

Hello All,

I was an October tester as well and received an e-mail for a Jan 13th BEX testing date as well. Anyone else testing on Chicago then? Also, any idea when the next class would be (pending the BEX is passed this date)? Would the March class be a possibility if all goes well in Jan? New to this forum and particularly this thread for DSS. Any continued information/help is always appreciated. Thanks in advance!

March may be a little quick since getting through the med, BI and suitability phases can take a while (I haven't seen it take less than 2 months at a minimum). However, there is a class in May/June I believe. Good luck on your BEX.

[sgt14]

Future Agent,

Thank you for the response. If I may ask, (and I am new to this) what avenues are you pursuing in regards to rosters, BI's, class lists, academy dates, etc. etc. I am learning as I go along and have found a great deal of info on this site regarding my application to DSS. I also appreciate all the other responses that I am making my way through reading. Again, thanks to all the useful knowledge on here and good luck to you as well!

[FutureAgent001]

Future Agent,

Thank you for the response. If I may ask, (and I am new to this) what avenues are you pursuing in regards to rosters, BI's, class lists, academy dates, etc. etc. I am learning as I go along and have found a great deal of info on this site regarding my application to DSS. I also appreciate all the other responses that I am making my way through reading. Again, thanks to all the useful knowledge on here and good luck to you as well!

sgt14: I just sent you a private message

[sgt14]

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[Security-FS]

If Clinton is Sec State, which is increasingly likely, who will provide primary protection for her: USSS or DSS?

Interesting b/c before law changed for USSS protection for presidential spouses, she was last spouse grandfathered in for life protection.

Any thoughts on this . . . Current DSS: anything you can say publicly?

[FutureAgent001]

If Clinton is Sec State, which is increasingly likely, who will provide primary protection for her: USSS or DSS?

Interesting b/c before law changed for USSS protection for presidential spouses, she was last spouse grandfathered in for life protection.

Any thoughts on this . . . Current DSS: anything you can say publicly?

Interesting indeed. Someone made me aware of an AP story related to your comment:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h3PSFt7EvsZE-PEAQ2sttogBHHNgD94MVE280

[frog56j]

Got the FOE today folks. See you in DC.

The Registrar's Office is pleased to extend an appointment offer for the January 21, 2009– Diplomatic Security Special Agent Class.

Congrats Scrappy!

[DSS Hopeful]

Future Agent if you're on I just sent you a pm with a question

[DSS-SA]

If Clinton is Sec State, which is increasingly likely, who will provide primary protection for her: USSS or DSS?

Interesting b/c before law changed for USSS protection for presidential spouses, she was last spouse grandfathered in for life protection.

Any thoughts on this . . . Current DSS: anything you can say publicly?


No.

[ScrappyCoco]

The AP story is probably on the correct track.


If Clinton is Sec State, which is increasingly likely, who will provide primary protection for her: USSS or DSS?

Interesting b/c before law changed for USSS protection for presidential spouses, she was last spouse grandfathered in for life protection.

Any thoughts on this . . . Current DSS: anything you can say publicly?

[ltkj00]

Hello all,

Reading through this whole thread was very helpful and answered just about every question I had about DSS, except for one. I just wanted to know from current/former agents how the agency treats former law enforcement officers who have to return to their previous jurisdictions to answer subpoenas. I received an offer for the next agent class, but I will have a few major cases still pending for trial. I'm sure this happens quite often with former LEOs so do they allow new agent trainees a certain amount of time that can be missed without penalty?

Thanks in advance for the help.

[OVERCBPII]

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[OVERCBPII]

ltkj00..good question.. I am trying to avoid cases for this reason

[OVERCBPII]

According to the previous posts and the info from HR, it does. From what they say in the previous two posts that means that ther should be less than 50 people waiting for the March class.

Lets hope! I wonder how many people are in adjudication right now?

[OVERCBPII]

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[Gumshoe7]

Hello everyone,

I've been reading the forum for over two weeks and can now participate with the rest of you. Thank you to those who have guided us through these tough decisions and exciting choices. I applied online in October, and will be attending the BEX later this week. I am still a bit intimidated, but also gaining confidence as I prepare for the big day.

Anyone else already having dreams of the testing day? You know, kind of like back in high school, the night before a big math test, and all you can dream about is equations and how to solve for X, but you never quite find the answer and you wake up in a cold sweat?

I wish you other test-takers well this week!

[geolander]

LTKJ00 and others. To your question: Not a problem.

[ltkj00]

LTKJ00 and others. To your question: Not a problem.

Great, that's good to know. I know some agencies frown upon people missing out on things...

[OVERCBPII]

Hello everyone,

I've been reading the forum for over two weeks and can now participate with the rest of you. Thank you to those who have guided us through these tough decisions and exciting choices. I applied online in October, and will be attending the BEX later this week. I am still a bit intimidated, but also gaining confidence as I prepare for the big day.

Anyone else already having dreams of the testing day? You know, kind of like back in high school, the night before a big math test, and all you can dream about is equations and how to solve for X, but you never quite find the answer and you wake up in a cold sweat?

I wish you other test-takers well this week!


GOOD LUCK GUMSHOE! If you get a chance read all of DSS-SA's postings they are a outstanding resource to help you achieve sucess throughout the whole process

[Pinnacle1]

Does anyone know how many agents DS is looking to hire through the announcement that just closed?

[OVERCBPII]

That probably falls under OPSEC

[OVERCBPII]

I'm curious too though!

[Archangel4]

That probably falls under OPSEC

I don't believe this falls under OPSEC but on this announcement, SA 09-01, it said "a limited number" whereas in SA 08-01 it gave a number which subsequently was increased by the time I BEXed. Perhaps they are being cryptic or might be waiting on the budget to be passed to nail it down. That's a great question to ask during the BEX. The only real hurdle is to get past the BEX. Everything after that is gravy... lumpy, but gravy indeed.

Good luck to all!

[Talon Razor]

I've got a question for DSS. I'm looking at applying to DSS after six or seven years, once I finish up a career as LEO. Right now I'm wrapping up college and looking at part-time jobs to supplement working for the University Police Department. One of the part-time jobs I'm looking at is bouncing at some local bars. How does DSS see this? I've heard from some that it's considered a bad employment experience but my PD Lt. says it is fine and I shouldn't worry about it.

[JI603]

Why would you subject yourself to all of the problems that come with bouncing at a bar.... Finish your degree and work somewhere at a city police department.

[Talon Razor]

Bouncing out here in Alaska brings in pretty decent money and the hours fit around my current job at the police department. But I'm been really conscious at tailoring my activities and employment for future employment by a Federal Agency and bouncing is the one job I'm not sure if DSS approves of.

[OVERCBPII]

I can't speak for the agency, but I can say that any BI investigator worth their salt is going to look for the whole picture and the "whole person." Bouncing at bars should not be a problem so long as you pay your taxes and the employment can be verified (boss interview, stubs, W-2, etc) with accurate dates of employment. In any BI interview, transparency is key and anything can be explained but not everything can be mitigated.

If its a regular bar it shouldn't be frowned upon, strip clubs and the like are problematic because of the illicit vice that usually surrounds legitimate businesses in that field. Again, this is purely my analysis of your posting.

you're good dude

[OVERCBPII]

just stay away from consorting with felons criminals etc but you already know that from being PD

[Talon Razor]

I can't speak for the agency, but I can say that any BI investigator worth their salt is going to look for the whole picture and the "whole person." Bouncing at bars should not be a problem so long as you pay your taxes and the employment can be verified (boss interview, stubs, W-2, etc) with accurate dates of employment. In any BI interview, transparency is key and anything can be explained but not everything can be mitigated.

If its a regular bar it shouldn't be frowned upon, strip clubs and the like are problematic because of the illicit vice that usually surrounds legitimate businesses in that field. Again, this is purely my analysis of your posting.

you're good dude

Ok, this is kinda what I've thought as well. I'm definitely not doing "security" in strip clubs or some such, those are just problems. And I'm staying away from the "under-the-table" employment. The hours are good and at least I get to practice some of my BJJ training :D

[ScrappyCoco]

Does anyone know how many agents DS is looking to hire through the announcement that just closed?

I think it would be safe to say "A LOT."

[OVERCBPII]

Does anyone know how many agents DS is looking to hire through the announcement that just closed?

It's got to be about 200 or so

[DiploCop]

...this is an updated message

[NMDSS]

Try reading this public statement by Under Secretary of State for Management on November 18th:

http://www.state.gov/m/rls/112010.htm

He talks about the FY09 budget and funding for the Department of State's work. Specifically he states, "...there are another 200 positions for our security services, because obviously, security remains all of our concern, and a particular one of the Secretary, and that there are an additional 448 positions as part of our Consular and Diplomatic Security services contribution to the overall border security initiative..."

He doesn't exactly say how many SAs will be hired but it gives you a good idea. Remember "security services" probably includes the other positions within the DSS and not just SAs.

[geolander]

Congrats to everyone selected! I have been following this thread for a while and just wanted to re-focus the group on to what other agents have said: DS is the best and worst job in the world. This is not/not a "special agent" in the sense that you will be kicking in doors and knocking down tables (yes, horrid reference). You'll be a "Special Agent" for a couple years in a field office and then overseas. You will work 24 hours per day and not be paid for it. You will stay up at night worrying about families who brought their kids to a bad post. You will get diseases galore. You will have no confidants. You will worry about your Marines. You will cry because you have not seen your family in many years. You will be ****ed because you don't get overtime. You will need to learn definitions to words with 4 syllables. The odds of divorce are exponentially increased. You will think the TV show 24 is stupid. You will discover other three letter agencies are stupid (and they are all three letters...FBI/ATF/OIG/DOD/ETC). You will discover other three letter agencies are great. You will work 24 hours (again). You will think the assignment process is against you. You will not/not be a Special Agent. You will not be Jack Bauer. You will not be FBI. You will not be a super-squirrel. You will not be a cop. You will be everything at one time for years on end. You will love AFN's three channels. You will eat Taco Bell when you have the chance. You will work 24 hours (didn't I say that a few times??). You will spend years fighting ants and roaches for food. You will realize the ants are friends. You will get wierd rashes. You will find out Marlaria medicine causes you to not sleep for months on end. You will realize Eastern Europe isn't exotic - it's a dump. You will find out your house will burn down once a year. You will find out your spouse really does hate being a secretary. You will learn to appreciate the fact NJ is actually nice and not hell on Earth. You will not get your haircut for a year because of Lice. You willl stay up at night worrying about the family down the street -- did I do everything I could for their 8 year old? What about that grenade that went off at 4 pm? Could I have stopped the witchcraft massacre of that guy? Did I do that report on time? Did I use the term "Interlocutor" at least once this week? Guys/Gals -- this is he hardest and greatest job ever but you will never be able to tell anyone, you will think the process is stupid and you won't be asking questions like "can I carry my gun off-duty?" DS isn't that way. Guns are a tool. In DS, the question is "Did I do everything I could to make sure the 8 year old kid across the street can sleep safely tonight?". If you *want* to answer that question and *not* ask if you are paid to do it DS is the greatest organization in the world. If your question is "can I carry off duty on an aircraft", the answer is yes (you are a "fed") -- but I ask you go and join another organization. And guess what, no one knows what you do, you cannot transfer to an 1811 as the OPM world has no clue what DS does and thinks of you a "Security". I love DS -- it took me a few years to realize it's not about me...it's about the kid across the street. Period.

[ScrappyCoco]

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[FutureAgent001]

OK, so I got the offer email letter today. It offered me FP 6-3.

What gives? Can they actually offer me a level below what is the bottom step????? The current announcement advertises an FP 6-4 as bottom step.

Help.

Somebody answer up....

Don't fret it my friend, most of the people I have talked to got FP 6-3 or 4 as well. I noticed that on the current announcement step 4 is the minimum, but under OUR announcement (Jan 08), step 3 was noted as the minimum.

Hi guys, new member.

Just got my invite to join Jan 21st class.

Looks like I will meet you all in DC soon.

Congrats DiploCop, see you in January!

Geolander: I think your post is going to reduce the number of applicants in the next announcement by 50%. How does DS function if everyone is "getting diseases galore"?

[Archangel4]

OK, so I got the offer email letter today. It offered me FP 6-3.

What gives? Can they actually offer me a level below what is the bottom step????? The current announcement advertises an FP 6-4 as bottom step.

Help.

Somebody answer up....

Scrappy, give 'em hell. This is the biggest catch 22 ever. Agents starting in the same FY should get the same pay. You have a very strong case with HR. Peace out.

[Archangel4]

Geolander,

At first I thought you were ranting about your job but by the time I got through it... you were spot on. A job in the foreign service is like no other I've ever heard of-especially as DS.

Future Agent,

DS gets thousands of applicants from the online testing but we all know how few make it through the BEX etc. I think Geolander was making the point that working in 3rd and 4th world countries as DS is different than being an 1811. Night and day. Take Cipro for the dysentery and never drink the water ;)

[Always_Hungry]

Take Cipro for the dysentery and never drink the water ;)

HAHAHA! Archangel, amen to that! From my experiences traveling abroad, if you can't get bottled water, then Sprite, 7 UP, or Coke is the next best thing.

Geolander, thank you for your honesty and insight. I think its fair to say that we appreciate your views on the various challenges this job presents.

[OVERCBPII]

Archangel good looking out

[OVERCBPII]

Archangel good looking out

[goblue79]

OK, so I got the offer email letter today. It offered me FP 6-3.

What gives? Can they actually offer me a level below what is the bottom step????? The current announcement advertises an FP 6-4 as bottom step.

Help.

Somebody answer up....


Was anyone able to negotiate to step 4? I tried today and I was told that because I applied in January, I am coming in as a step 3. Weird but sometimes that’s how the bureaucracy works........

[LivindaDream]

The specifics on step determination in this last announcement removes any ambiguity on where the department stands. It eliminated many of the inconsistencies I believe created much heartburn for BSACers.

And it was unnecessary! We have the second highest starting salary behind the FBI with a non-negotiable GS-10/Step 1. We actually had applicants turn down DSS on a FP06/Step 4 (actually greater than a GS-09/Step 1), to take GS-5 or GS-7 with another agency on principle.

I personally support the new starting salary rules – they are clearly written and leaves little wiggle room, as it should. My humble unsolicited opinion is after the January annoucement is exhausted salary will cease to be an issue in BSAC.

[OVERCBPII]

Question: With the new regs in place for the Jan announcement regarding pay as mentioned above.

Is pay parity still in place? example if I am an existing federal employee. Will my base be matched to the closest pay on the band even if it might be past FP 6-03 or 04?

thanks to all that chime in

[OVERCBPII]

I have heard some conflicting sides to this issue

[AxelFoley]

BJJ = Brazilian Jiu Jitsu?

that's my guess.

-axel

[cautus]

Do the ants or roaches fly? Because the roaches, sorry, "palmetto bugs", fly in the south and if they don't fly it won't be all that challenging which means I can't take the job. I will only accept posts where the roaches fly, so I expect to get Charleston right out of BSAC.

Every job has it's ups and downs and some people won't like DSS. That's life. If you DON'T wonder whether or not you can carry your gun on a plane and only worry about the eight year old, I DON'T want to work with you. Natural gun carriers ask that question. Thinking about only the eight year old is for analyst and people who can't shoot. I've been in law enforcement long enough to know that guns should never be far from thought especially if you're carrying one. Ask Plaxico about that one.

I don't anticipate DSS to rival a ten year olds week at Disney but I welcome the challenge of a new career (not a job). I don't think anyone enters the position with the expectation of daisy fields right outside the office door. If you do, then, I have no idea what to tell that person, good luck, lay off the acid. I hope all applicants and recruits are as excited about the unknown as I am and I look forward to sharing with you future challenges.

[ScrappyCoco]

interesting.

:D Paperclips man, paperclips...


Do the ants or roaches fly? Because the roaches, sorry, "palmetto bugs", fly in the south and if they don't fly it won't be all that challenging which means I can't take the job. I will only accept posts where the roaches fly, so I expect to get Charleston right out of BSAC.

Every job has it's ups and downs and some people won't like DSS. That's life. If you DON'T wonder whether or not you can carry your gun on a plane and only worry about the eight year old, I DON'T want to work with you. Natural gun carriers ask that question. Thinking about only the eight year old is for analyst and people who can't shoot. I've been in law enforcement long enough to know that guns should never be far from thought especially if you're carrying one. Ask Plaxico about that one.

I don't anticipate DSS to rival a ten year olds week at Disney but I welcome the challenge of a new career (not a job). I don't think anyone enters the position with the expectation of daisy fields right outside the office door. If you do, then, I have no idea what to tell that person, good luck, lay off the acid. I hope all applicants and recruits are as excited about the unknown as I am and I look forward to sharing with you future challenges.

[OVERCBPII]

Cactus. You are right on the money. Thanks for saying it.

And speaking of guns, I really don't want to give up my HK .40

[cautus]

Just for the record, I wasn't slighting Geolander. If it's interpreted that way, sorry, just a difference of opinion. My humor can often be seen as extreme. Geolander's contribution should be valued and his experience is important especially since he has it and I possess only pleasant expectations.

Thank you Geolander for your contribution and thank you for doing the dirty deed which is sometimes called a federal job. I come from a family of dirty deeders and they feel your pain and then get teased about it over turkey dinner.

[OVERCBPII]

for the Sig 9mm

[OVERCBPII]

Cautus. You complemented Geolander's post

[cautus]

I like to think I can compliment all opinions as they give me perspective and an opportunity to learn. I may not agree with the fervor in which it's communicated but I'm not here to judge people. Some see the glass as half empty, others half full. I say who cares as long as it's good beer.

[colinm112]

I completed my BEX today and all I gotta say is, that was one intense situation.. talk about being on your toes in an assessment! Definitely one of the more challenging interviews ive taken on..

[OVERCBPII]

Thanks a bunch for the responses, they help a lot.

My wife has been in the states since 11 years old (26 now) and has been here legally the entire time. She has completed her degree here and has been legally employed for years. We have been married for 2 years and are basically waiting for her perm. residency card. She will be a resident 2 years after that, I believe. Makes me feel better to hear of people in the same boat!

I guess a good question would be, since I have been in the process of being hired by the Dep. of Homeland Security for a CBPO position, would the background check they perform be eligible for carry-over to this position? I have completed all the steps there and have met with a background investigator 2 months ago. From reading a few previous threads it seems they do almost the same thing (meet with my friends,coworkers, etc.)


Your BI will start from scratch. CBP is a confidential level of clearance, the lowest there is in LE. DSS is a TS and there is more weight given to citizenship of relatives, cohabitants, sexual past, drinking habits, disciplanary actions at work, etc etc

You have to mitigate quite a bit if you have issues with the above and other topics.

Take it from me. CBP clearance / BI process is good preparation for DS but nowhere near as rigorous. I learned a lot!

Good luck and all the best!

[OVERCBPII]

I completed my BEX today and all I gotta say is, that was one intense situation.. talk about being on your toes in an assessment! Definitely one of the more challenging interviews ive taken on..

Congrats! Did you pass? I thought the BP Oral Board was tough 5 years ago. Then came DSS LOL

[OVERCBPII]

It could be good news (there probably isn't a hiring freeze on the horizon), but you can't make those definitive statements.

There are more than a few folks that are still in background/suitability/review. When they clear, you may find you move backward on the register. Now with a online testing in October, BEX's in Jan/Feb/March (or whenever), and a new batch of folks flying through the background in the months following...you can see where this is heading.

(I've mentioned this before, but taking the BEX early compared to others and having a quick background was a huge advantage. Those folks hit the register when there were barely enough people on it to fill a whole class.)

I suspect the only reason DS would open another anouncement is that they see the register would be depleted without it. But that doesn't mean the register will be depleted before the Oct 2008 testers are placed on it. In fact, don't you think DS is opening the announcement to make sure the register isn't depleted?

DS had two vacancy announcements in 2005. I recall folks languishing on the register from those announcements.


You have a good memory. Folks languished on the List of Eligible Hires and on the Register that year. I wonder how many people are on the Register from 2005 2006 2007? Do you think that will happen this year?

[LivindaDream]

Question: With the new regs in place for the Jan announcement regarding pay as mentioned above.

Is pay parity still in place? example if I am an existing federal employee. Will my base be matched to the closest pay on the band even if it might be past FP 6-03 or 04?

thanks to all that chime in

DoS has consistently pay matched current federal employees up to FP06 Step 14. As far as I know there is no Step 00. If memory serves me correct the announcement reflected this also.

"OVERCBPII - I have heard some conflicting sides to this issue"

I would be interested in hearing what you heard, really just out of curiousity. You can PM me if you like.

[DSS Hopeful]

TO anyone who is current or recent DSS Fletc/BSAC student or grad. I have a couple of questions concerning pay. I know that as a current Federal Employee I'll be brought on at the Grade/Step closest to my current base salary. QUestion is this. While going through FLETC Do you get locality pay or just per diem. I am a Metro DC area resident. Also when going through BSAC at Dunn Loring do you get per diem or Locality. Obviously since I live around here I probably won't rate the per diem but only getting base Salary at or around the FP-6 Step 10 rate is going to kill me.

[10thMTN_Redleg]

With regard to automatic promotions, when you are promoted to the next grade, i.e. FP 6 to 5, what happens to your step? Will those people offered FP 6 Step 3 be continually behind the eight ball throughout their careers because they were offered a lower initial step? Or are the Steps at other FP grades based on something else besides your previous Step within your old Grade?

[geolander]

Just my thoughts on guns but I can see such a conversation taking a wrong turn somewhere. DS is everything you want and everything you don't want *at the same time*. Good luck to everyone.

[DSSWannabe]

Greetings all!

A new guy here (how many times did you hear that? :) ), who is itching to apply. Congratulations to those of you who got the call, attending training and already employed.

Big thanks to all forum members who kept this thread alive throughout the years – a truly great resource with mass information available. Thank you all and it’s a pleasure to finally join you!

:wave:

[DSS-SA]

Great, that's good to know. I know some agencies frown upon people missing out on things...

I agree that returning for court cases AFTER you finish training is not a problem, but the BSAC course is not set up to offer retraining for missed days. I know they have made 1 or 2 day exceptions previously for deaths in the family, emergencies, and even things like leaving on a thursday (skipping friday) for a family wedding. If answering a subpoena results in a several day absence then it is a slight possibility that you might miss something critical and have to be recycled back to another class to finish. This is very unlikely, as it is the agency's best interest to get you through training and as a FLE agency, we all realize the importance of continuing through with our criminal cases. I am not trying to be pessimistic, but I think the previous answer was a little too brief.

[DSS-SA]

Bouncing out here in Alaska brings in pretty decent money and the hours fit around my current job at the police department. But I'm been really conscious at tailoring my activities and employment for future employment by a Federal Agency and bouncing is the one job I'm not sure if DSS approves of.

My thoughts:
1) Bona fide work is work, so do whatever it takes that gets you to your goal, as long as it is legit (paid via payroll, taxes taken out, etc); it is legal; and it is wise for your future career goals (just a thought, are you opening yourself up to a civil lawsuit or criminal charges if you "bounce" someone that decides to pursue legal action?)
2) Whatever work you do, make sure that it is described appropriately on future resumes and job applications. For example, don't ever use the word "Bouncer"! Maybe your position was that of a Facility and Personal Security Specialist responsible for adherence to local laws, fire code and company policies...
3) Whatever your long-term career plan is, I would suggest you not wait 7 years as you suggested to apply to DS if this is where you want to end up, unless you want to experience police work extensively before switching over as an agent. The announcements might not come every year, and you might not be successful the first time.

[DSS-SA]

TO anyone who is current or recent DSS Fletc/BSAC student or grad. I have a couple of questions concerning pay. I know that as a current Federal Employee I'll be brought on at the Grade/Step closest to my current base salary. QUestion is this. While going through FLETC Do you get locality pay or just per diem. I am a Metro DC area resident. Also when going through BSAC at Dunn Loring do you get per diem or Locality. Obviously since I live around here I probably won't rate the per diem but only getting base Salary at or around the FP-6 Step 10 rate is going to kill me.

If you are a DC resident when hired you will not receive any lodging or M& IE (together these are usually referred to as per diem) during BSAC. You will receive locality pay for the office/region to which you are assigned to once the assiggnment is made. At FLETC you will get the incidentals portion of M&IE like everyone else, but since meals are provided I think it is something in the ballpark of $3 per day.

[DSS-SA]

With regard to automatic promotions, when you are promoted to the next grade, i.e. FP 6 to 5, what happens to your step? Will those people offered FP 6 Step 3 be continually behind the eight ball throughout their careers because they were offered a lower initial step? Or are the Steps at other FP grades based on something else besides your previous Step within your old Grade?

Generally when you get a Grade promotion, your step within your new grade can beestimated by your using yourcurrent grade/step. Some of the other agents and current BSAC'ers might need to correct me, but I think the old "unofficial" formula was to look at the grade above yours (to which you are being promoted) and find the salary closest to your current salary (the grades do overlap). Once you find the salary closest to your current salary, go up 2 steps and that will likely be your new step once promoted.

[DSS-SA]

My two cents on the string of comments about guns after Geolander's post:
My interpretation is that what was being said is that a firearm is just one of your tools as a DSS agent, and it is likely that it will collect dust from lack of use if you don't maintain it properly. Overseas and in many headquarters assignments you will be working with FSO's who are so pro-dilomacy that they are either gun-neutral (at best), or more likely they are completely anti-gun. As has been said many times before, as an RSO your job is mostly administrative and policy driven. If you are conducting investigations, you will be using other tools rather than a firearm (intellect, databases, interview sources, etc). You wont be kicking in doors, serving warrants with a drop holster and an automatic rifle at the ready.
If you are a former police officer or member of the military that has become accustomed to getting some respect (and possibly a bit of cooperation through intimidation) because you are openly armed and/or uniform, you will be in for an education in how you really get answers and cooperation by using your less tangible tools.
If you are lucky enough to be at a post where the host country and the Ambassador allow you to be armed, than by all means carry it with the understanding that most in an embassy will fear you if they see it, or judge you as somehow less intelligent if you need it to get your job done. All of this is much less obvious or even non-existent if you are at a high threat post.

[Fed_Off]

Just a quick note on the pay matching for federal officers. I was looking all around, on the OPM website, and even called OPM and HR with CBP. I got nothing in writing, and was told that matching was only for GS to GS transfers. Well I got the official email with the salary and they did match mine. Not sure if it was because of my experience or my prior salary, but it is a little wierd just how close it is. So there is hope for all the federal transfers.

[ScrappyCoco]

Just my thoughts on guns but I can see such a conversation taking a wrong turn somewhere. DS is everything you want and everything you don't want *at the same time*. Good luck to everyone.


Thanks Geo.

Remember folks, some things are better left unsaid. If you have operation specific questions, chat off-line or call a field office and talk to an agent. Don't get into that stuff here....

[OVERCBPII]

Scrappy are you all packed up and ready to go?

Does anyone know if the January folks are off the register by now and if people have moved on?

thanks

[vlasu14]

Hey everyone, not sure if anyone else is still waiting for a call from the Oct. test, but I just received an email today for a BEX in NY for January. So if anyone is still waiting from Oct keep your hopes up, they are still making calls.

[Talon Razor]

My thoughts:
1) Bona fide work is work, so do whatever it takes that gets you to your goal, as long as it is legit (paid via payroll, taxes taken out, etc); it is legal; and it is wise for your future career goals (just a thought, are you opening yourself up to a civil lawsuit or criminal charges if you "bounce" someone that decides to pursue legal action?)
2) Whatever work you do, make sure that it is described appropriately on future resumes and job applications. For example, don't ever use the word "Bouncer"! Maybe your position was that of a Facility and Personal Security Specialist responsible for adherence to local laws, fire code and company policies...
3) Whatever your long-term career plan is, I would suggest you not wait 7 years as you suggested to apply to DS if this is where you want to end up, unless you want to experience police work extensively before switching over as an agent. The announcements might not come every year, and you might not be successful the first time.

Thanks for the answer here, this is good stuff and I'm making note of it. Seven years is my long-term plan because I will be applying for grad school (hopeful completion by 2013) and then I want to do four or five years as an LEO first before I go Federal. I want to be a cop, I've felt called to be a cop so I'm going to do the cop thing first. But I've always believed in planning and the US Marshals and the DSS are two agencies I'd like to end up in after grad school and some time on the streets.

[Scout_08]

Razor,

First off, sorry for this metaphor sandwhich.

What you wrote, that sounds like a great plan and you are setting your self up for success. Just be sure you don't set yourself up for dissapoinment. Like you, I mapped my whole career out through college, became an officer in the military, got myself a grad degree, got on with the FEDS and right now I am totally in limbo with a job that while I can easily can make a career out of, I don't want to.

I would recommend that you not make too many plans in the future that you can not control such as local/state LEO to FED or vice versa. What I have seen and I am a perfect example of it, is someone that isn't 100% committed to what they are doing and people will realize that. It can be a hinderence to your career and professional development. If you go into a job thinking that 5 years as a beat cop are going to help you with your new career as agent 99, don't be dissapointed if you achieve your goal only to realize that you had a good thing going for you in your past life.

You always hear people saying that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. You might end up finding yourself on 2 patches of dead grass because you dislike your future career and didnt spend anytime watering the grass you were on and instead just used it to help you get ahead.

The application process for any position, especially law enforcement positions in the FED are long and often grueling. They are also uncontrolable and sometimes completely unfair (at least in your own eyes). Try not to stick too many irons in the fire before you can really see what is going on from the inside.

Good luck dude

[Archangel4]

Scout,

I think you made some really good points on the whole career thing. Sometimes that blasted hindsight comes up to bite you in the butt. I do like how Razor is using this forum though. Putting out questions and gathering intel. Its a really good example of how this forum can be used to benefit a lot of people. I mean, for example, your last post is timeless. Folks can look back on it and take something from it years from now when we are on page 219... All our posts re: "have you heard anything yet?" will be looked back on as a bunch of ex-military folks (seems like 99% of us) with OCD!

So, rock on to all who ask interesting questions- it makes the waiting game go by much more enjoyably.

Archangel4 out.

[rjpowe2]

Quick question...I overlooked this in the job requirements before I took the screening. I am BEXing on the 17th, and am curious now if I should even attend.

"Candidates must also pass color vision and depth perception tests. "

Are there waivers for this? The dreaded color vision cut me from CCT school before I started. Is the test the Ishihara? Or is it just being able to recognize basic colors?

If there are no waivers available for color vision, I will probably just go ahead and cancel my BEX, as this garbage has cost me way too much heartache in the past. Anyone have any experience with this?

[Archangel4]

If you are red/green color blind to the extent that you can't read the numbers on the flash cards, I would ask first before you BEX for the specific requirements.

[Tirofijo]

Quick question...I overlooked this in the job requirements before I took the screening. I am BEXing on the 17th, and am curious now if I should even attend.

"Candidates must also pass color vision and depth perception tests. "

Are there waivers for this? The dreaded color vision cut me from CCT school before I started. Is the test the Ishihara? Or is it just being able to recognize basic colors?

If there are no waivers available for color vision, I will probably just go ahead and cancel my BEX, as this garbage has cost me way too much heartache in the past. Anyone have any experience with this?

Unless the State Department's Secretary of Medical Certification (not her actual title) registers on this board and answers your question directly, don't let anything you read here tempt you into withdrawing from the process.

Bad information (occasionally) and pure speculation (often) get posted here. No problem in asking here, but really you need to get it from official channels before making that decision.

Good luck.

[bork]

Quick question...I overlooked this in the job requirements before I took the screening. I am BEXing on the 17th, and am curious now if I should even attend.

"Candidates must also pass color vision and depth perception tests. "

Are there waivers for this? The dreaded color vision cut me from CCT school before I started. Is the test the Ishihara? Or is it just being able to recognize basic colors?

If there are no waivers available for color vision, I will probably just go ahead and cancel my BEX, as this garbage has cost me way too much heartache in the past. Anyone have any experience with this?

I would still BEX. Yea it would suck to pass only to get medically DQ'd, but who knows? Maybe you could get a waiver. They certainly wouldn't entertain the idea until you pass the BEX, only then would you know. The BEX certainly seems like as serious an interview experience as you could ever get, so having that under your belt would be an accomplishment in itself. I almost dropped out of the process myself due to an issue which will make it extremely difficult to get my degree on time. BUT, there is still hope so I figured better to try and fail than not try at all.

[Archangel4]

Unless the State Department's Secretary of Medical Certification (not her actual title) registers on this board and answers your question directly, don't let anything you read here tempt you into withdrawing from the process.

Bad information (occasionally) and pure speculation (often) get posted here. No problem in asking here, but really you need to get it from official channels before making that decision.

Good luck.

I PM'ed him with the number. Didn't want to publish it in the open. I agree, the only opinion that matters is the one from the horse's mouth. He's got the time to find out if this is waiverable or not. Best of luck rjpowe2!

[rjpowe2]

Thank you to everyone for the prompt replies.

Archangel, I will give them a call on Monday. Thank you again.

Tiro & Bork, thanks for the good advice. I appreciate it.

[OVERCBPII]

by the way RJ and all concerned it is the Ishihara exam to detect color blindness that is utilized by DOS Medical Examination (fabricated proper name...you guys get the point) Good Luck brother! push it out of your head and kick tail on the BEX

[vlasu14]

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[Archangel4]

There have been dozens of posts regarding preparing for the BEX. I know it may be tedious, but please go back and search this thread to get a feel for what has been shared and what is allowed to be divulged. There is a non-disclosure agreement and ethical issues involved when discussing the contents and detailed structure of the BEX so you won't probably get too much more detailed guidance than you were given when you were invited to the BEX.

This forum is not intended to be "Cliff's Notes" for the BEX. If you feel that this does not answer your question(s), please contact the official person at DS that invited you to the BEX, and ask him/her for any guidance.

No one take this personally, but the integrity of the forum is our top priority.

Archangel out.

[vlasu14]

Thank you for the clarification, Archangel4. I will keep this in mind for future posts.

[Archangel4]

No problem, vlasu14 and best of luck on the BEX. :cool:

[OVERCBPII]

Just an FYI to ALCON January FOE folks are off the Register

[Tirofijo]

Just an FYI to ALCON January FOE folks are off the Register

So how many are on there now?

[BodySnatcher]

If you are a former police officer or member of the military that has become accustomed to getting some respect (and possibly a bit of cooperation through intimidation) because you are openly armed and/or uniform, you will be in for an education in how you really get answers and cooperation by using your less tangible tools.
If you are lucky enough to be at a post where the host country and the Ambassador allow you to be armed, than by all means carry it with the understanding that most in an embassy will fear you if they see it, or judge you as somehow less intelligent if you need it to get your job done. All of this is much less obvious or even non-existent if you are at a high threat post.

I've been in a few countries in the past months...suffice it to say that carrying a gun isn't always an acceptable option and yet the mission was accomplished. Granted, there were other boys with big guns backing me up ...

On a different note, anyone have thoughts on the ARSO-I gig versus the traditional ARSO routine?

Happy holidays.

[ScrappyCoco]

On a different note, anyone have thoughts on the ARSO-I gig versus the traditional ARSO routine?

Happy holidays.

First off, what does the "I" stand for?

[DSS-SA]

On a different note, anyone have thoughts on the ARSO-I gig versus the traditional ARSO routine?

Happy holidays.

ARSO-I (I for Investigator) is a relatively new position overseas designed to focus on passport and visa fraud criminal investigations. You still have the ARSO acronym as part of your title, but you work out of the Consular Office rather than the Security Office. The positions do not exist everywhere; they are in countries where there is traditionally alot of fraud.

Do not think of an ARSO-I job as an alternative of being an ARSO as it relates to career progression. If you do an ARSO-I tour, you still must do a "traditional" ARSO tour before becoming an RSO.

[ScrappyCoco]

ARSO-I (I for Investigator) is a relatively new position overseas designed to focus on passport and visa fraud criminal investigations. You still have the ARSO acronym as part of your title, but you work out of the Consular Office rather than the Security Office. The positions do not exist everywhere; they are in countries where there is traditionally alot of fraud.

Do not think of an ARSO-I job as an alternative of being an ARSO as it relates to career progression. If you do an ARSO-I tour, you still must do a "traditional" ARSO tour before becoming an RSO.

Sounds like an interesting gig.

[qbronco]

Just an FYI to ALCON January FOE folks are off the Register

Does anyone know how many people are currently on the register now that the January class has been removed? Any idea when in January they are expecting to send out March announcements?

[DSS Hopeful]

Hey all just wanted to share the great news. BEX'd on TUesday and passed, got the COE that day.

[qbronco]

Hey all just wanted to share the great news. BEX'd on TUesday and passed, got the COE that day.

Congrats!! Now you get to start the long and grueling Security/ Medical clearance process. Good luck -- the waiting is the worst part.

[DSS Hopeful]

I am lucky don't have to do the Clearance dance cuz I already have it and work for them. SO as long as I get the Med knocked out quickly should be a pretty quick process for me.

[OVERCBPII]

Hopeful...congrats! Good Luck on the remaining steps...Bronco I pm'ed you

[Tirofijo]

Just post it if you know it. Saying JAN FOEs are no longer on the register doesn't mean anything by itself. Obviously, at some point they would be taken off, so without knowing the current number on the register that statement is useless.

[DSS-SA]

Sounds like an interesting gig. If it is not a career track then I would see folks having mixed emotions about it. It would seem if you are high speed into investigations then it would be great to develop investigative and leadership experience. Would seem to be the "Detective Sergeant" of sorts. If you are looking to promote sooner then it would be a speed bump on the way to RSO, since you still have to be a "real ARSO" first.

Some folks might avoid it...

DS should look at how they position it.

Just my 2 cents.

Anyone can choose to direct their DS career down any path they choose, whether it be criminal, protection, RSO, or a combination of all three. My point was to clarify that an ARSO-I tour will not serve as the pre -requisite for an RSO tour.

[LivindaDream]

I will go a step further and say that in DSS you choose the job - the panel chooses your career. ARSO-I positions are, career wise, just another "filler" job on your way to being an RSO.

This is not meant as a slight to anyone in particular, but this is a word of advice to every applicant, future DS agent, or BSACer. For Clarity sake - Not any way directed at DSS-SA, but instead to "junior" agents you will meet along your DS path.
NEVER take DS long-term career advice from anyone below the grade of FS-02; ideally FS-01. It takes at least 7 years to understand the mechanisms that make this organization work - read, the people. Until this point, every agent is just another DS philosopher speculating on the process, assignments, etc. The reason I make this point is simple: sometimes opinions can easily become "truth" to new agents.

In this organization the rule of thumb is simple: if you want to progress, you MUST seek out and serve in progressive positions of responsibility, and DO WELL in those positions. Unfortunately, all the "fun" jobs in DS are not seen as positions of responsibility.

My unsolicited comments on DS career progression.

[NMDSS]

Why is it that anytime something major happens overseas (i.e. the Mumbai attacks, the white powder incidents), the F.B.I. is always referred to regarding questions about the investigation?

Isn't the DSS responsible for investigations involving U.S. interests overseas? Are they involved and just not mentioned? How much of a role are they playing in these investigations?

I know historically DSS has laid low and many like it that way. But I would assume it gets frustrating for DSS who rarely gets any credit for their work.

[ScrappyCoco]

Just post it if you know it. Saying JAN FOEs are no longer on the register doesn't mean anything by itself. Obviously, at some point they would be taken off, so without knowing the current number on the register that statement is useless.

How do you really feel?

[fritzab]

Just post it if you know it. Saying JAN FOEs are no longer on the register doesn't mean anything by itself. Obviously, at some point they would be taken off, so without knowing the current number on the register that statement is useless.

Just a thought- it might be one of those things where posting it could be offering up too much info on a public forum. I think most of us in the pipeline here are trying to err on the side of privacy/caution when it comes to the specifics of this all, especially since some very helpful current agents/trainees have given us some pointers.

Also..don't want to put words in OverCBP's mouth, but if you want to know...PM him or call HR yourself. He was throwing out some info some of us might be interested in, but isn't responsible for dispersing it to your satisfaction. I call it a nice favor on his part to share it!

[Tirofijo]

Just a thought- it might be one of those things where posting it could be offering up too much info on a public forum. I think most of us in the pipeline here are trying to err on the side of privacy/caution when it comes to the specifics of this all, especially since some very helpful current agents/trainees have given us some pointers.

Also..don't want to put words in OverCBP's mouth,

You don't have to speak for him.

The board has posted register numbers probably a dozen times in the past few months, and I didn't see anyone object to it then. But if PERSEC/OPSEC is his concern then by all means he shouldn't post it. And probably shouldn't share it by PM, either.

Again, I'm pointing out that telling the board that recent FOEs are off the register isn't valuable information.

[bigbrain02]

Why is it that anytime something major happens overseas (i.e. the Mumbai attacks, the white powder incidents), the F.B.I. is always referred to regarding questions about the investigation?

Isn't the DSS responsible for investigations involving U.S. interests overseas? Are they involved and just not mentioned? How much of a role are they playing in these investigations?

I know historically DSS has laid low and many like it that way. But I would assume it gets frustrating for DSS who rarely gets any credit for their work.

I believe that it is because the FBI is suppose to be the "leading" agency on terrorist attacks. Each federal agency has something specific that they primarily investigate. For example, DS primarily investigate visa and passport crimes, well one of the primiary investigative focus for the bureau is terrorism.

Any other DS personnel feel free to correct me if im wrong...this is just my opinion and assumption.

[AxelFoley]

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changed my mind and getting off my soapbox!

[qbronco]

I believe that it is because the FBI is suppose to be the "leading" agency on terrorist attacks. Each federal agency has something specific that they primarily investigate. For example, DS primarily investigate visa and passport crimes, well one of the primiary investigative focus for the bureau is terrorism.

Any other DS personnel feel free to correct me if im wrong...this is just my opinion and assumption.

Big Brain --- The FBI has always taken the credit for the work done by DS. Remember Ramsey Yousef? It was a DS agent who was responsible for the collaborative effort that caught him. FBI was waiting at the airport.

The fact is that most DS agents I know are happy taking the back seat in the media. It is better to be the unknown agency than to be the one at the forefront when hell breaks loose. Remember, DS was thrust into the public eye last year with the Blackwater issues. The fact is that when you are in the public eye you must take the brunt of the backlash. Most would rather stay in the shadows.

[bigbrain02]

Big Brain --- The FBI has always taken the credit for the work done by DS. Remember Ramsey Yousef? It was a DS agent who was responsible for the collaborative effort that caught him. FBI was waiting at the airport.

The fact is that most DS agents I know are happy taking the back seat in the media. It is better to be the unknown agency than to be the one at the forefront when hell breaks loose. Remember, DS was thrust into the public eye last year with the Blackwater issues. The fact is that when you are in the public eye you must take the brunt of the backlash. Most would rather stay in the shadows.

I definitely agree....other agencies should give more props to DS than they do. After all, from my experience, a good portion of the success of investigations conducted by the other agencies sprang from discoveries of DS....then they take full credit.

[OVERCBPII]

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