Verbal Queues vs 10-codes

[stmute]

I'm not sure if that's exactly the right title for this, but this is something that was tossed around a little in the 10 codes vs plain speak thread and I'd like to jump in and get some input on this aspect of it.

I guess the best way to introduce the topic would be the usual scenario:
You're on a traffic stop, you've given dispatch the plate and operator info and you're getting ready to hear the read back...

I worry about this moment from the dispatch side. I've seen the videos where dispatch tells the officer that the subject is wanted.. 10-99 or plain speak "wanted" and the officer gets attacked because the perp hears this and doesn't want to go to jail.

I try to minimize this by asking the trooper "10-12?" (subject within ear shot?)
If he says yes (or 10-3), then I give the usual stuff and advise him that I have further when the officer is secure.

So... is that good enough? Are there better verbal queues that you've heard or developed? I can't come up with a perfect solution because even this hints to the perp that SOMETHING is up. If he returns to his car while we give the trooper the info, he may get nervous and run. Of course that's better than attacking my trooper, but pursuits can go bad too.

What are your thoughts?

[Sabre]

As a dispatcher, you should probably do whatever your employer's policy dictates.

Our dispatchers always say "10-61" when there is information that they don't want a subject to hear. I'm sure many scumbags know what 10-61 means. There is no perfect solution.

I generally don't run people within thier earshot, anyway.

[Blackdog F4i]

One of the reasons I wear an earpiece. No one hears my traffic but me, and no one gets told they have a warrant until they are in cuffs.

Before I got the earpiece I would turn my radio volume to minimum and press my ear to the lapel mic.

Now many times I will have them stand at the front headlight and run them on my MDT. That works better because then I can compare the picture to their face, and if they get froggy I can just shift the car into drive. I like pursuing in a car much better than on foot. ;)

[stmute]

Agreed. I wish our guys had ear mics. Combine that with scrambled frequencies to weed out those with scanners and we'd be in good shape! Too bad we don't have either.. :rolleyes:

[deputy x 2]

Most perps already know they have a warrant in the system prior to us running them. They also know the codes...oh I'm 10-26 (clear). Most of us wear earpieces anyway. They are really nice when searching a building and some other unit didn't hear the "stay off the air" traffic.

stmute- radio shack has them for about $20 or you can get them custom fitted with a shirt mic for about $160.

[gb1051]

Most Officers my our dept are smart enuff to get out of "ear-shot" of a subject when asked it 10-12. The ones that don't either need their ***** kicked or they need to Kick their FTO's *****.

On the other hand. A lot of our dispatchers are pretty good and give the usual 27 info and say "see MDT for additional", unless we advised to give it over the air.

Then there are some dispatchers who know that when you tell them to put it out over the air, they just tell the important stuff, violent history, evading and so forth, leaving out the rest. Personally I could give a crap if the guy was arrested for traffic 23 years ago.

gb

[pujolsfan146]

As a dispatcher, you should probably do whatever your employer's policy dictates.

Our dispatchers always say "10-61" when there is information that they don't want a subject to hear. I'm sure many scumbags know what 10-61 means. There is no perfect solution.

I generally don't run people within thier earshot, anyway.

Our dispatchers do the same thing. We also have the earmics. Before we had the earpiece I would turn the radio down very low and if possible run the info out of earshot.
Most badguys realize they have a warrant so I try and run their info without them knowing it.

[stmute]

Well, as far as policy goes, if the officer isn't prepared to have the subject hear the words, then they shouldn't ask until they're ready/secure. So technically we're supposed to just tell them everything without regard to this.

Unfortunately not every officer gets out of earshot, so I still feel obligated to be a bit cautious.

I kind of like the "more on MDT" option.. too bad those don't work 100% of the time. :rolleyes:

[Blackdog F4i]

I picked my earpiece up at out local Motorola dealer for $40.

The only drawback is I get "what is that in your ear?" questions all the time.

[ex401mp]

I wear the earpiece, but sometimes when I have a trainee with me I dont. Our dispatchers use a code if they want to bring something like a whacked license or warrant to your attention. Our dispatchers here will tell you to 10-65, then 10-35. The 10-35 is the ten code we use to let you know to get secure before they send you the info. Also some of our better dispatchers we have will tell you to check your chat for an update. It seems to work pretty good for us here for now.